/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I didn't even know we had a centralized torrent going like that

If you think you have the space, bandwidth and time, go for it, but you might think about simply letting youtube take the burden.

What do you mean browsable? Browsable like http://wap.aersia.net/wap.swf or browsable like http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks.php ?

>>10916833
so, a music oriented jp/ftp/?

sounds good to me.

Honeypot

>>10916843
>http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks.php
Probably more like this to begin with.

Streaming like that first link might be possible as well! Depends on how much bandwidth is being used. I'm planning to hide behind some kind of a wall similar to exhentai.

>>10916859
>I'm planning to hide behind some kind of a wall similar to exhentai.
Why do you wanna do that?

>>10916898
Avoid DMCA notices and keep out bandwidth sucking casuals. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I won't set one up to begin with probably.

>>10916929
Do you really expect to receive DMCA notices when you are uploading touhou music?
Dude admit it, you just want a secret club.

Sounds like a good thing.

Maybe you could also include other doujin music albums.

>>10916941
This is a good idea.

A site with the same exact purpose already exists. Don't bother wasting your time.

http://kuukunen.net/toh/

>>10916955
Not updated since c81. Also missing plenty of stuff.

>>10916955
Thanks for sharing, but I don't think it would be a waste of time, even if he were to do the exact same thing a backup is still useful, other than that he could do something more aesthetic pleasing with a better navigation, and still include useful information about the artists/albums.

>>10916938
There were some takedowns of touhou music on youtube recently, I'm not sure of the details though.

>>10916941
>Maybe you could also include other doujin music albums.
Hopefully, yes. Not sure the best way to moderate for quality uploads yet.

>>10916955
That's down, like, half the time.

>>10916973
>ome takedowns of touhou music on youtube recentl
oh maybe some damn robot thought some of it sounded like metallica

Doujinstyle.com

>>10917142
Not that well organized. Old stuff is gone and will never be uploaded again.

>>10917190
It's a huge graveyard of megauploads and deleted mediafires. Life really is tragic.

>>10916833
yes, i like your idea. i don't care about lossy/lossless crap.

This sounds like a cool idea OP

test

>>10916833

You've got my moral support, dude.

That's all I can offer, really.

Godspeed.

>>10916833

>>10917365
WHY?

But I have family and kids... ;_;

>>10917231
they revived again, now most of the stuff is mediafires and if something is not up, you can post links.

Op, try cooperating with the guy who made http://touhou.kuukunen.net/ , there is irc channel and other contact information. He, at least, could make a nice mirror for your server.

^ >>10916833

Waste of time, stick with seeding the torrent instead.

>>10916833
Let people listen to music directly from the existent torrent that other people seed. Set up some kind of javascript torrent client for getting a single track/album and hook it to web UI that searches track/album, shows track/album information, cover images and etc. That way you won't have to store and stream any music, so no DMCA notices. At most you would provide cover images and track/album information.

>>10916833
Try to type "sudo" before your command.

>>10917836
Moronic. Besides, Javascript cannot do BT because of the restrictions in WebSocket.

I'm sure you could get what you need on slsk

>>10917883
Still moronic, but you can BT with a javascript Chrome (Webkit?) extension.

There's even some javascript Torrent client out there.

http://kuukunen.net/toh/ for c81 and before
http://vermiliongrey.com/music/ for c81 and after

why is this needed again

>>10916833
Just curious to know, do you intend to host the content directly on your server? i.e. downloads are direct from it instead of relying on an external file hosting service.

How much bandwidth is needed? I have a 2TB/month allowance on my server.

>being scarred about DMCA and MIAA/RIAA or torrenting
>MURRRIKA LAND OF THE FREEDOM
I pity you murifats. Yuropoor masterrace, free software all day erry'day.

>>10918709
Please use the term gratis to avoid any confusion.

>>10918709
Stop it. I am from yuroop too and it isn't any better in this regard. You can get fined for downloading copyrighted material too.

>>10918709
Unless you're from some third world Eastern European shithole you will be persecuted here too.

>>10918709
>Yuropoor masterrace
Enjoy your jail time and following executing for having viewed this.

>>10918715
He's probably talking about some euro shithole, not a place like yours.

>>10918718
Is that supposed to be an insult? Jails are like 5-star hotels here.

>>10918722
A guy I knew got raped in a german prison for teenagers. So unless you live in norway prisons are not 5 star hotels.

>>10918732
I'm pretty sure people have gotten raped in 5 star hotels too.

>>10918718
>execution
>europe

Uuuhhh

>>10918768
they even hang pediatricians because it sounds close enough.

>>10917798
shut the fuck up

>>10917960
it lacks TOO MANY albums

>>10918715
>Das tut uns leid.
Wow what fucking bullshit liars.

>>10916833
Don't know if you're still around, but I support your idea, considering that older sites are unable to keep their DDL links alive and don't seem to bother re-uploading, and those who directly host the content haven't updated in years.

As some have already pointed out, doujin music other than Touhou would also be great.

>>10918543
Directly download.
>>10919276
T-thank you for defending the idea
>>10922385
Yes

I will have some more information tomorrow hopefully, I think I'll register it at http://otokei-douj.in though

>>10922573
Can I contact you?

>>10928282
Who the jiggity jiggity jack are you?

Sure, I suppose

>>10918718
You get like 5 years probation for blatantly murdering your buttbuddy "metal" bandmate and burning down a 500 year old historic church or some shit over there. Oh they still do believe in fascism, but for everybody else starting with Russia, Africa and the near-east, just not themselves.

Anyway, your pic is the kind of thing yurros equate with japanese manga just in general, they mainly think of it all as porn.

>>10928299
I'd like to help. I have dedicated servers that can host the content. Nick is ^supp^ on Rizon or ^ttb^ on EFnet if you're interested.

>>10928299
This guy is not OP, I am, I need to find my old tripcode I guess.
>>10928410
That would be awesome. I'll contact you at some point, although I'm going on a trip this weekend.

As for an update, I spent most of yesterday figuring out zip and tar fuck up filename encodings when moving between linux and windows, and the rar implementation on linux doesn't like moonrune folder names. So archives are probably going to be in 7z (which winrar opens).

If there is a way to upload albums and download without worrying about seeding and whatnot that would be wonderful. Maybe if you could tag albums with the genre and include a search function that would be nice, maybe a page where people can add albums/etc they're looking for too.

Moderating seems like its gonna be a bit difficult if anyone can upload anything whenever, I guess if it has to be "approved" before appearing on the site that would work. Like I trust /jp/ and all, it's just outsiders might find it and upload rude things.

>>10916843

Both would be pretty cool.

Specifically the first one.

I have a very rough and lacking in features test site up at the link in the picture since the spam filter is being retarded.

If /jp/ can see if there are any blatant issues (missing files, broken archives etc.) it'd be great. Please do not link it anywhere, as it will go down when the main site is up.

Known issues:

>In browser mp3 playback in firefox doesn't work with the audio tag
>File sorting can be off (jpg and mp3 sort together)
>Filetype/size don't work
>Audio files don't queue

T-thank you~

>>10933607
Nice work! If I knew anything about drawing or web design I would whip up something for you. I know it's just a very rough draft, but might I suggest putting links together in groups, e.g. circles starting with A - G, H - O, P - V, etc? To make the page a bit smaller and somewhat easier to navigate.

The embedded MP3 playback doesn't work in Opera either, but that could just be because I'm using an older version.

hello thighs

>>10933667
Ah that's a good idea, maybe instead add some sort of anchor for jumping to each letter?


>>10933699
W-who are you?

>>10933814
_____;)_____

If it is not lossless it is not worth anyones time. I don't want to listen to ear cancer.

>>10933914
Not everyone cares about bitrates etc. It's better having something than nothing, you know?

>>10933914
Why are you so uneducated about music quality?

>>10933914
What if it was a 64kbps MP3 but encoded into FLAC/your lossless format of choice? Would you still prefer that over, say, a 256k MP3?

Single quotes fuck up file archiving, working on it.

>>10933914
Fuck off back to wherever you came from.

>>10933607
Amazing job, man. Files are viewable/playable with no problems and the .7z can be downloaded in a matter of minutes.

Regarding design, I personally don't care about it as long as the site is browsable. Sure, it could improve aesthetically speaking, but I believe that shouldn't be your priority now. Make sure you fix those issues you previously mentioned and it'll be fine.

Suggestion: though not strictly necessary, see if you can add a "back" or "to parent directory" link on each page. >>10933667 is also a good idea.

I guess that's all I have to say for now. Thanks and keep it up.

>>10933607
You are amazing. Good Job

Will non-Touhou doujin music be uploaded as well at some point? I think that would be pretty nice.

>>10934446
Thank you.
>back links
That's a good idea, I'll add links back to the circle/album lists.

>>10929322
>>10934852
Uploads of other doujin works would be great. I've thinking of a rough plan for a database, but that'll take a while to implement.

--

I fixed the issue with single quotes and cleaned some other things up.

I'll be gone the next few days so the thread might 404, but I'll be back after that.

I'm making a list of things you guys have suggested and I'll try to include them all!

>>10935846
I don't really know what those files are but the website looks good.
Did you write the index script yourself?
p.s. sorry for generating archives

>>10935846
>Uploads of other doujin works would be great. I've thinking of a rough plan for a database, but that'll take a while to implement.
would something like that work? http://vocadb.net/
That website is open source and written in ASP .NET. Bug me if you need more info.

>>10935880
>Did you write the index script yourself
I wrote everything, it doesn't exactly index anything though. It's just listing files and then keeping track of what directories are clicked. Pretty fast to write it that way. Most of my time has been spent on encoding issues due to my own stupidity.

If it encounters mp3's it fires a function to generate an archive and make direct links to image and sound files on the server.

I'll GPL it when it looks less retarded.

>>10935950
I have zero experience with microsoft technologies ;_; that is a really cool site though.

If you (or anyone) wants to talk my name on steam is fuuka ayase.

Sorry for these long posts.

>>10928410
Hey It's you!

>>10936035
Don't know C#\ASP.NET either
(10935950-kun)

>>10918718
Not in Finland.

>>10933607
Good, OP. I hope this site is up-to-date.
I like this kind of website where you can download a few songs instead of a whole album, especially if you only like a few songs in the album

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Yes please, i like music

Have you considered using wikimedia software?

>>10936047
Ohayō!

Will you only stock mp3 files or also others like flac, tta, wav, ogg? Will you stock more than one format for a given album or will you choose one over others? If so, will you choose lossless over lossy or not?

>>10928410
Just to say that I finally registered a nick so that offer is still valid but the nicks have changed. I'm chatter on Rizon or b on irc.neet.to.

>>10916833
Why can't people just download the torrent picking out the ones they want and don't want?

>>10933607
I'd recommend against using .7z for archiving, to be honest.

Either go for zip so that everybody knows how to open it, or .tar.xz because it's better.

>>10949838
torrents die

we're talking about all doujin music

>>10949849
Oh okay.

would it be the sorta thing where users can upload stuff that isn't already there, or entirely administrator run (not that that'd be very possible [汗])?

>>10949849

torrents don't die, websites die. and you could fit the entirety of all toho dojin music in a single torrent. you just choose which parts you want to download.

>>10949854
Yes, torrents don't die.
They just ran out of seeders after some time, and the rest is happily united at 70% or something like that.

>>10949854
They both die smeglord.

>>10949798
there is a touhou lossless music collection, http://tlmc.eu/ , open the torrent, select needed album and download it. it exists for may years now and gets updated every 4 months.

>>10951843
Whose idea was it to make it tta images anyway

>>10952225
It's lossless and most of media players like xmplay, foobar and rockbox supports it?

Why do Japanese prefer True Audio over FLAC?

>>10952225
Pretty much all the lossless releases from Japan are done in TTA, which is where these come from.

I think the better question is "why the hell do the .cue files refer to .wav files?" Simple enough fix, but tedious.

>>10952283
>"why the hell do the .cue files refer to .wav files?"
ahhhahahashudbasah

>>10952283
>I think the better question is "why the hell do the .cue files refer to .wav files?" Simple enough fix, but tedious
Does players even care of that? I never had any problems with it.

>>10952270
They hate our freedom.

>>10952339
>License GPL

>>10949845
>http://superuser.com/questions/60379/how-can-i-create-a-zip-tgz-in-linux-such-that-windows-has-proper-filenames

You can't really make portable tar or zip files.

>>10949845
.rar is the best.

>>10955042

>>10952270
Jap has shit taste. News at eleven.

>>10955042
Actually, 7z is best, but RAR is fine too.

>>10949854
>torrents don't die
hahaha

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So, hows the site going ?

I just skim over the thread and would really appreciate to download single albums since I'm out of money for a new external HD.

1.2 TB are just too much for my little laptop.

>>10963405
First, the 1.2TB torrent is the torrent of lossless music, might be you prefer lossy better?
Second, when adding torrent into torrent application, you can select whatever albums you want to. You can select a single album and download only it. No need in downloading the whole 1.2TB thing.

>>10963419
I did that and its still downloading the whole 1.2 tb thing.

I'm no good with torrents, I always preferd direct links.

I'll try again.

>>10963419
1.2TB torrent is great for lazy people like me. I just threw that fucker on download and tada, 3 weeks later it was done.

>>10963461
Yeah, its just that I'm going into hospital for 2 months, starting next week.

I can't wait for the estimated time of 8 weeks.

>>10963471
You can also try the lossy music collection, although I never used it. Not sure if it's enough seeds for a single week download though http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=417811

>>10964473
I'm also stuck with a 6k connection.

Well, maybe 50gb of music is enough for the hospital.

>>10928361
Well he did think he was killing Euronymous in self-defence (even though that cant be proven), and its not like hes going to kill anyone else. I think youre confusing rehabilitation with penalty, because the former are what prisons are, and the latter isnt.

>>10963471
What's your disability, anon?

>>10965124
derpression

>>10965193
Wrong anon

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>>10933607
Any progress regarding these issues?

>>10965124
That guy >>10965193 already anwsered for me.

Yeah, depression with internet addiction. Its practically my last chance to get a grip of my life. But that has nothing to do with the thread, I'm sorry for trying to derail it.

>>10973880
>Yeah, depression with internet addiction.
Combine this with
>tfw no interested family, relatives or friends
and you've got a cool soup. It all stays together with the introverted and reclusive nature of the average /jp/er.

>>10963419
So will it only be torrents, or will there be MF uploads, or streaming, or what?

>>10973873
Sorry ;_; i've been busy with visiting family and working on stuff at my grandma's, this will probably continue till the end of this coming week. I'll try to make time though!

Also tripcode time since people are responding as if they are me, you can verify this at the bottom of the otokei-douj.in page.

>>10973873
Sorry ;_; i've been busy with visiting family and working on stuff at my grandma's, this will probably continue till the end of this coming week. I'll try to make time though!

Also tripcode time since people are responding as if they are me, you can verify this at the bottom of the otokei-douj.in page.

>>10976683
That's fine dude. Just make sure you give updates when you have them. Thanks for your work.

>>10974044
>So will it only be torrents, or will there be MF uploads, or streaming, or what?
I'm not OP, ask him about what is he doing.

>>10976683
The tripcode definitely helps, since people confusing us, for some reason.

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>>10933607
This site is really good. When i searching for some touhou albums, i often visit this website.
Please, keep this website up-to-date and don't let it down.

Thank you, meido.

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>>10989927
When you bump, make sure to delete the bump message.

>>10976683
Will you add the recent uploads from R10? Or you'll wait for the new torrent? Curious to know.

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>>10916833
oh yes this is quite brilliant, will the "rough" version of the site be up from now on or will it only be for a bit? because I'd like to bookmark it and browse it and stuff. I'd love for you to do this. Please.

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I wanna make something like this for future posterity...

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You could use tags, too. Tag albums from C83 or R10, then we can have a page with all of the albums released at those respective events. And perhaps very general genre tags, and tag for vocal and instrumental albums. And maybe links to vgmdb/touhouwiki/artist site.

Thanks again for this.

http://waa.ai/cLE

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Why does no body here use the moriya shine site? It has a ton of downloads.

>>11018134
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/

>>11018134
What's being proposed is something approximating comprehensive. Moriyashrine does not pretend to be one, and it isn't.

>>11018141
I guess that is true, but I never see it being advertised as a download source on /jp/, and I feel that they do a good job. Their links tend to be more intact then either of the wikis, for example.

>>11018149
I've never seen anybody use either wiki as a source of music. As far as I know they don't host any of that.

>>10916955
Who the fuck wants to download songs one by one?

>>11018177
If you want the whole album there are any number of scripts that will download everything on the page for you.

>>10933914
enjoy your placebo

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Are these V0?

>>11018177
So, wait, you still don't have DownThemAll?

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sitrep:

>jury duty
>get picked for trial, lasts all day
>called in again tomorrow

;_;

sitrep:

>jury duty
>get picked for trial
>called in again tomorrow

;_;

It makes me feel horrible for not having time to update for so long.

>>11028935
That kinda sucks.

>>11021673
V2

>>10916955
Hasn't been updated in a couple of years.

People do realize you can just download specific files/folders from a torrent right?

>>11035243
Already mentioned it. Twice.
>>10951843
>>10963419

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>>11028935
Op, any progress or plans?

>>11043290
I'm working on switching to using SoundManager2 today.

>>11044680
Also, I'll change the player design cause it's shit on mobile and not that great on the desktop either.

>>11044680
>>11044736
Have you lost your tripcode?

>>10916955
>cp_images.sh
CHILD PORN IMAGES SHELL SCRIPT! OOOH MYYY GOOOODD!

>>11046741
It'll print ascii cp in your console. Once you've seen it, there's no way back.

>>11044736
Some kind of search would be nice, especially the one that updates the list as you type. Would be nice if people could store their own playlists too, that would require some kind of registration.

>>11018177
what is wget

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Thank you for the suggestions /jp/!

I switched it to use soundmanager2, which works in more situations than straight html5 audio
Individual song download links download instead of opening as audio in the browser
Added Google's site search thing, it works pretty well actually. I'm fiddling with my own search though, not sure if it'll be used though
The ads on the google search thing are there because the no-ad version costs lotsa money, just install adblock
Fixed the sorting problems for the most part
Added link back to the list of albums
Fixed archiving not working (ran out of space)

Short term goals:
Add anchors for circle names (half-assed atm)
Show number of albums per circle
Add a way to view/list/sort by id3 tags
Some sort of queue that doesn't require registration

>>11046725
Was on a different computer.
>>10994744
I think wait for the torrent at this point.

>>11057496
Keep working on it. Hopefully in 1 year it will look a lot better than it does now.

>I switched it to use soundmanager2, which works in more situations than straight html5 audio

Doesn't play in Opera 12.15

>Macross Frontier

Even worse than Macross II.

Sorry if this isnt the right thread but does anyone here have any of CLOCKWORKS TRACER'S stuff?

>>11058599
Interesting circle, found their Reitaisai 10 crossfade on youtube. Apparently both lossy and lossless touhou collections are missing the circle and simple googling yields no results. Through some intense googling I have found http://en.metal-tracker.com/torrents/76112.html and http://www.ebay.com/itm/360508898177 Not sure if this helps.

>>11060899
>buying doujin albums to sell on ebay

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>>11062024
Pardon me, my good Sir, but whom are you quoting?

>>11063505
this is the first time I've been asked this question

>>11063505
Obviously, it's the ebay link I have posted. More precisely, the guy who was selling the album.

Anyway, enough of offtopic in regards to CLOCKWORKS TRACER.
If someone finds something downloadable from them, just simply post here.

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I can't believe I didn't bother using tlmc for the longest time

Don't even have to google things anymore, and you can convert into any format you like (as opposed to having V2 via kuukunen)

sage for blogging

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>>11057496
Thanks, I've been able to find a couple music thanks to this.

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>>11057496

Thank you for doing this, OP. Even though the lossy torrent is perfectly fine, this is pretty useful too. Direct download collections always eventually suffer from file deletion or lack of curation so it's always good to have another direct download option.

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>>10949845
Why? Most, if not all, archiving programs can extract 7z nowadays.

ｂｕｍｐ

>>11106240
I agree.
.tar.xz for text files
.tar for already compressed audio and video

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>>11108391
That's retarded, why would you use an extremely uncommon format (outside the *nix world at least), when you can just use ZIP with 0 compression. Almost all files related to music will already be compressed, so there's no point in wasting the CPU trying to figure out what should be compressed, only to save a few kB's at most.

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>>11109832
>extremely uncommon

Pretty much every archive program supports .tar.
xz is fairly new, but it's just another implementation of LZMA(2) and the library is public domain. No reason not to support it.

>>11111720
Just because it's supported by an archiving program doesn't mean it's not uncommon. I hardly ever see anything related to Windows (which is what you should assume the general public is using) using .tar files, and when I do, it's only for source code. ZIP is natively supported by Windows (and presumably OSX), and is extremely common, most people will at least know what it is. and how to open it, which probably can't be said about tar(.xz) files.
If the point of this site accessibility and usability, why wouldn't you use formats that everyone knows, and are almost guaranteed to be supported?

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>>11111856
+1 for ZIP. Windows and Mac support it out of the box, which, how it was pointed out, is the best for the usability. User might not have rights to install (anything) any tar archive extractor on the machine.

As a side not, 7-zip, a free archive application for Windows, does support XZ.

>>11111856
+1 for ZIP. Windows and Mac support it out of the box, which, how it was pointed out, is the best for the usability. User might not have rights to install (anything) any tar archive extractor on the machine.

As a side note, 7-zip, a free archive application for Windows, does support XZ.

>>11109832
tar is older than you are weeb
and it works perfectly fine

>tfw foobar's batch attach picture option won't work

>>11114012
use mp3tag

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Since the site contains the lossy version of that terabyte torrent and it doesn't have something I'm looking for I thought I would ask on this thread.

Does anybody have Electric Red's magical astronomy EP? I cannot find a download anywhere, yet it is on youtube.

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>>11111856
>>11113924
I really don't care about what format is used, but ZIP has a big problem.

ZIP doesn't record the codepage in its metadata. This is a problem for Japanese material. If someone creates an archive in a computer set to Japanese and you open it up in a computer set to English (or viceversa) you'll get mojibake as filenames. I've had this happen with ZIPs uploaded by Chinese uploaders for example (SHIFT-JIS <-> GB18030).

Basically, ZIP is old and it sucks for inter-language operation.

And really, most (if not all) people who download music has an extraction program, and they are knowledgeable enough to know about RAR or 7z. Actually I never see people using Windows built-in extraction nowadays.

>>11129373
see >>11113924
>User might not have rights to install (anything) any tar archive extractor on the machine.

In other words user is not root/admin.

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>>11130137
Spoiler: There has been no Unix machine in the past 20 years without "tar" being pre-installed.

If it's good enough to listen to it's good enough to archive, and in that case lossy is not going to cut it for me.

>>11134730
So use the lossless torrent?

>>11134733
What's so good about lossless?

>>11135701
He said "lossy is not going to cut it", so I assumed he meant he wanted lossless.
In his case, based on his post, I assume he wants it for archiving purposes. It's nice to have the "original" files, that you can convert to whatever you want without any quality loss. Some people claim they can hear the difference between MP3 and lossless, but I don't really think it's realistically possible, at least at v2 and up, without listening VERY closely, on decently high-end audio systems.
There's really no point to lossless if you don't care about archiving or converting your own music, MP3 is fine for just listening.

>>11058599
Disharmonized Genesis, Ephemeria e.p. and My Sweet Dystopia are in astost's EX section. The last two's links died though.

WUB WUB WUB WUB

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$ touch >>10916833

>>11140347
What's some good tohu wub?

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>>11148068
There's a song with "WUBWUBWUBWUB" in the title name, except using Japanese onomotopeia.
You'll have to figure out what it looks like yourself.

>>10917098
I am japanese artist and we lose a lot of money because of youtube. Sales are getting badder and badder. I do not mind my songs on youtube, but some artists ask youtube to delete songs.
ZUN does not want his music on youtube. But he can not do much about it now.

>>11157727
>me face when he will NOT let this thread ever die.

You planning on dragging it out to your death OP?

You gotta admit though, his website is useful like hell. If not for the downloads, then for the ability to preview stuff before downloading it with the built-in audio player.

>>11157727
Assuming you're actually a Japanese artist, do you actually have any proof that you lose any money? I HIGHLY doubt hardly anyone who listens to your music on YouTube would bother buying and importing your albums to wherever they live, so you're not losing any money. If anything, I would say the success of Japanese artists in the west is almost 100% due to piracy and sites like YouTube that allow easy sharing with a worldwide audience.

could you give me the torrent that gigantic terrabyte sized Touhou material things? anyone?

>>11161604
http://www.tlmc.eu/