/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10919169
It depends. In Polish, for example, it means "yeah".

Wait a second. He didn't replied "no" but "mu" which meant that whatever he answered it would be wrong.

Kuso thread. Let's discuss patchy instead.

>>10919184

I wish I could titfuck Patchy with a aneros in my butt at the same time.

>>10919184
Wrong. You are conceptualizing, anon. What does "no" mean?

>>10919169
Does "no" simply mean the presence of an absence?

It means "Don't try to beat me at my own game. Anything I say is deep, bitch."

"no" means "no"

>>10919214
"No" is an abstract symbol, it means whatever meaning we imprint upon it.

>>10919214
Correct.

>>10919222
Actually, it's a word in the English language.

Language speakers generally have an accepted definition of a word, otherwise language wouldn't work.

>>10919226
Are you seriously suggesting that there are absolute answers to Zen koans?

>>10919233
Within the context of this conversation. Remove it from its context and you simply have a symbol.

>>10919233
The meaning of a word can be ineffable. Like "Qi", "edgy", or "birds". What are birds? We just don't know.

>>10919237
There is no single right answer. There are right answers and there are wrong answers.

>>10919237
But a symbol is worthless for communication unless both parties share the same definition of that word.

The meaning of the word "no" is whatever common definition joshu has with the person asking the question.

Zen owl is the best Peggle.

>>10919248
Incorrect.

>>10919237
Also, a bit of Google searching suggests that the actual answer "mu" is a pun, since "mu" sounds similar to a dog bark.

In which case, no could simply be replaced with "woof."

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Koan#Dog.27s_Buddha_nature

>>10919241
You're talking in absolutes. Right and Wrong.

>>10919248
The meaning of the word "no" is whatever common definition joshu has with the person asking the question.
Which gets back to what I'm saying in >>10919222

>>10919248
>But a symbol is worthless for communication unless both parties share the same definition of that word.

What about if it's some symbol with a pretty intuitive or straightforward meaning?

Drawing three lines in the sand could mean "3", no matter what planet you're from (as long as you see in the visible spectrum and count using natural numbers).

>>10919260
>the actual answer "mu" is a pun, since "mu" sounds similar to a dog bark.

So we finally have the answer to that "three barks" daily dose riddle?

>>10919261
Then that symbol is worthwhile for communication since both parties share the same definition.

couldn't you clear up the `yes' and `no' confusion with that one riddle about the man who always tells the truth and the man who always lies

>>10919260
>you are talking in absolutes
Zen is not a philosophy, it is a way. To talk of absolutes and relativity is missing the point entirely.

>>10919270
But what if "|||" happens to be Alienese for "Fuck you, fagshit"? What then?

I just hope they understand and don't take it too personally. Like when you use a word in one language that sounds like a swear or slur in another.

>>10919273
anime question girl shouldn't you have asked the thread participants about how trying to figure out zen by thinking and discussing it is completely contradictory

I have a feeling OP was testing /jp/ to see if they replied, and /jp/ failed

>>10919281
Whether or not it's worthwhile for communication is on a case-by-case basis between two parties.

A symbol will never be globally worthwhile for communication since anyone can decide what it means.

>>10919261
It's fairly intuitive from our perspective. We don't know the viewpoints and perspectives of alien races, however.

It's like what ZUN talks about when he says that Youkai don't have the same sets of motives and values that humans do. The gears inside their heads are simply so different as to seriously inhibit any comparison.

>>10919272
Eh, I'm not really at that stage yet. I must confess, I am still at "undergrad who is finding his spiritual side through a used copy of the Dao De Ching," so I'm most likely imprinting my own values on Zen and Daoism and the like.

>>10919293
>We don't know the viewpoints and perspectives of alien races, however.

But this isn't something like an exclamation point where it's an abstract symbol we've given a meaning. Even alien races must count the same way we do, even if they use a completely different numeral system. No matter how crazy or abstract alien races get, mathematics doesn't change from planet to planet.

>>10919293
You are assuming that these alien races know of/have a need for mathematics.

>>10919301
wakarimasen lol

>>10919317
I wanna see Miku wag her butt for me panties plz

>>10919315
If they came to my planet and were looking at my drawings, yes.

I made several ZEN haiku today. This is straight from the depths of my soul.

Pussy ass NEETs don't scare me
Dare me
I still sip syrup while I sit by the river

Some otaku talk about me, but they not on my level
I'm sittin in the loft
My mind is on the cheddar

NEETs try to plot
I'm going all out
Hammers like the terminator

Fals NEETs out here smiling with the devil's grin
NEETs gettin traumatized
How the fuck we gonna win?

The guns I tote make cowboys jealous
The same line that I had forever
Pussy NEET

>>10919336
Assuming that the case outline in >>10919281 isn't true, they would simply see a bunch of scratching in the sand.

Maybe it's you telling them that you find the aliens attractive, and are inviting them to latch onto your mouth, and lay their eggs in your stomach?

>>10919342
#swag #yolo

Hey OP, when did you get enlightened? I actually got enlightened after rewatching NGE.

I was listening to Komm Süsser Tod over and over and then it happened.

Do you train with a teacher and a sangha or are you more like a neet hermit, like me?

>>10919363
Not OP, but I always found meditating on Daoist texts a nice way to reduce my cravings for alcohol

Which is kind of funny, as Daoist texts are best understood while plastered

The dog does is not ZEN, but a dog urinating is ZEN.
Cats aren't ZEN, but cats having sex is ZEN.
Turtles are not ZEN, but a turtle taking a shit on the seashore is ZEN.


ZEN is the dog's mind at the exact moment when the urine stream first leaves his penis.
ZEN is the cat's mind at the exact moment after orgasm.
ZEN is the turtle's mind at the exact moment when the first poop begins to push out of his ass.

If you understand this then you understand ZEN.

>>10919382
Have you tried reading the text instead of meditating? I find that is the best way for me to understand text.

>>10919406
I usually read it, copy the text out onto paper, and then lie back and meditate on the text.

Very relaxing.

>>10919393
The worst part is you're not wrong.

Why don't ZEN monks consume things like the plants and brews that the various shaman across the planet used so that they could become one with the universe?

>>10919411
Ah, the old wisdom osmosis trick. There was already a Simpsons episode about that. You're not going to accomplish anything with that.

>>10919426
Because it's not needed.

>>10919348
I sure hope so.

>>10919422

Crude words and inappropriate actions are best in all things, they dispel the posturing. Bowel movements are meditation in its purest form.

The monk who dances naked in the forest, howls with laughter, and shits himself or urinates without restraint is practicing meditation.
The monk who puts on his robe, solemnly sits down in front of the garden, and focuses on his breathing is just making a fool of himself.