/jp/ - Otaku Culture

The story so far:
-Pulltop parent company Will intends to release Konosora next month using the new brand name 'MoeNovel'.
-All erotic content is removed, the game is ESRB rated T for Teen. This is 'to appeal to a wider audience'.
-Speculation about Steam release based on Play-Asia's digital product page implying it sells Steam codes.
-Speculation about kissing scenes being removed based on customer support e-mail; however, the most likely possibility is that these are exaggerated and it only referred to the fact non-H kissing scenes aren't depicted in a lewd manner.
-Speculation about sexual jokes being removed due to ESRB T rating. No confirmation either way.
-Active Gaming Media is doing the translation.
-Mixed reactions to translation quality of demo. Text said to be not final.
Did I miss anything?

>>10884929
damn the extra sex scene was so hot. I was disappointed somewhat with the cheesy ending but I like Kotori enough to not consider it too damaging.

If they want to do a T version they should at least include some new contents since this game had quite some decent H scenes.

How about no?

How about yes?

>>10884952
>Did I miss anything?

Yes, your intersection that leads to >>>/vg/

Take your stema elsewhere.

>>10884952
The game was not scrubbed properly of H-content, as seen by the demo

2 points indicate the possibility of an official 18+ patch

MangaGamer had the tweet
>Some fans have already shown concern about IMHHW being localized for a T audience, but we hope to have a message from them soon for you.

And the registry entries from the trial has an entry named SweetLovePatch

>>10884952
The game was not scrubbed properly of H-content, as seen by the demo. They are fixing the problem however.

2 points indicate the possibility of an official 18+ patch

MangaGamer had the tweet
>Some fans have already shown concern about IMHHW being localized for a T audience, but we hope to have a message from them soon for you.

And the registry entries from the trial has an entry named SweetLovePatch

>>10885111
>>>/b/

>>10885256
Look people, we have a new person here.

Welcome to /jp/. Now git out.

(Quiz: Why was this specific version of this image created?)

>>10885256
>>10885237
>>10885098

/jp/ is slow. No need to bump your thread continiously. Unless you have ulterior motives, other that pure discussion.

>>10884952
Don't really know anything about this VN but seeing this sure makes me mad

>>10885269
>>>/reddit/

>>10885290
You can keep redirecting me in an effort to discredit me but it's only you who are discredited in the end, on the eyes of other /jp/ users. Also

GET OUT MOENOVEL DEVS!

>>10885299
>towels in bath

How is this better for getting wider audience if the only country with senseless nudityphobia is America?

fuck AGM

>>10885302
Sorry Mr. American but your country isn't the only country in the world.

>>10885317
>Sorry Mr. American but your country isn't the only country in the world.
Read the post again. It's exactly what he said.

Censor this america

>>10885299
>Trying a achieve E rating
>Remove any romantic elements.
>Put more clothes on heroines to make every heroines look like Muslim women.
>Shrink their boob sizes.
>Redraw their sprites into ugly bitches to make sure players can't feel any attractions toward them.

<Mfw

The stuff about Steam disappeared from the Play Asia page for the digital release.

>>10886185
You have a /jp/sie to thank for this.

>>10885269
Because I asked for it when we discovered that a random guy started mentioning /jp/ in wikipedia articles.

/jp/ are faggots, aren't they?

>>10885735
>Shrink their boob sizes
I'm fine with this

Are there any novels on Steam (apart from, ahem, 'Analogue')? If they publish Konosora, it would be quite awesome.

>>10885735
WAYQ?

>autosage
>what did I miss?
>ANN forums screencaps
>quote feature misuse
>reaction images

Is dat u?

>>10887348
O SAY CAN YOU SEEEE...

So the demo's been unavailable on the site for the last 2 days or so while the game data's being "updated" Guess I'll have to wait to try it out and see what the translation is like unless there's a mirror somewhere, but I haven't seen one yet.

>>10887557
The original demo is on the FTP under /Demos/English/Konosora.

>>10887593
Implying you're FTP isn't for harvesting information on /jp/sies and port sniffing.

>>10886566
There is To The Moon, but that is some of the worst dogshit I've ever read and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

I can't wait to pirate the full game.

>>10889060

but you can. it's on nyaa as an ISO, in all of it's glory. it's been there since 2012.

>>10889060
Look at that English-only niwaka.

>>10889053
He asked for visual novel, not point-n-click adventure, dumbass.

Why should you complain for the lack of porn? Just enjoy it.

Or learn your Japanese.

>>10889668
>censored porn
are you plebeian?

>>10889688
almost all japanese porn is censored so yes everyone is a plebeian.

>>10889697
>Hurr durr I'm retarded

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/13/heres-if-my-heart-had-wings-from-new-visual-novel-publisher-moenovel/#comment-895730064

>Katawa Shoujo set a really high bar for me when it comes to expectations in a visual novel

General public reacts.

>>10889751
humanities retardness is unlimited

>>10889668
LACK of porn is completely fine. REMOVAL is not.

>>10889767
Especially where the original was so heavy on ero. That means that ero plays a role in the plot and we'll have similar things like dragons and shit like that in Realta Nua.

Can at least one of you fools focus on the more important fact that this shit is being marketed as a romantic game and yet they cut out every romance elements out of it?

>>10889818
> cut out every romance elements out of it?

I've read some of the 'tl;dr' regarding this matter and it seems everything should be (somewhat) intact. What gave you that idea?

>>10889829
Sex is romance.

>>10889876
rape is romance

>>10889900
Clearly, rape is the most beautiful form of romance. A desire to connect so pure that one skips directly to the greatest intimacy. Isn't it wonderful?

How likely it is that we'll get a community patch that will add the cut content? Or rather a patch that will import the translation to the original release?

>>10890177
Wasn't there something about an 18+ patch in the files of the demo?

jesus grow up you stupid horny teenagers your storybook games don't need porn

>>10889774
I think you might be reaching a little here anon? I don't think people get mana from jizz in this game.

>>10890258
They are trying to decide for us that we "don't need the H content". I'd rather prefer to decide it myself.

>>10890319
What they're actually deciding is that their press department and bottom line don't need the H. You're just an unfortunate casualty.

>>10890319
You're getting off point. I'd rather every figure I buy was a cast off. Whether this feature being cut is good or bad isn't the point.

You're making a big jump in declaring the h content as crucial to the story. I haven't seen anyone else say that. It's fine to just want the game to have h scenes because you enjoy them, you don't have to bring up some point about the story suffering.

From the vndb thread


Thank you for your view on the game. We understand that you are disappointed and are unsatisfied about this release. Although this strategy is deemed as disrespectful, we have no plans in producing a visual novel in English without censorship at the moment. However, we might have changes with regards to this in the future.

Thank you for your mail.

Kind Regards,

Moenovel support staff

>>10890544
>we have no plans in producing a visual novel in English without censorship at the moment
Moenovel is doomed.

>>10890544
>we lack respect for the original work

>>10887557
It's quite likely that the demo was pulled once they heard there was still 18+ resources inside.

>>10890561
Unless they get on Steam, this strategy will indeed be a failure

>>10890544
>Although this strategy is deemed as disrespectful

That's a very strange way of putting it. It's like they're defending themselves by admitting they're doing it wrong.

>>10890596
I'm sure they have got nothing but e-mails from people wanting an uncensored version, since that is the existing market. They are trying to sell however to the ignorant masses that would never know it is censored, but these people wouldn't send an e-mail ahead of time. So by this point they likely are just taking that attitude in their emails.

>>10890544
If even they admit that what they are doing is disrespectful, I don't suppose they would consider an 18+ unofficial patch to be respectful?

>>10890582
Even if they do get on Steam, it will still be a failure.

The mainstream doesn't give a fuck about obscure chinese picture books.

>>10890689
Carpe Fulgur sold 170,000 copies of Recettear.

>>10890703
Isn't this a VN though?

>>10890689
A game that goes 18+ through MG or JAST would be expected to sell through both digital and hardcopies combined maybe 500~1500 copies. Steam is by far the best bet, it has a good precedence for visual novels too. For example, Analogue: A Hate Story apparently sold 40,000 copies on steam.

If they can get the game on steam, it will certainly be more successful than an uncensored 18+ release. It sounds like they even acknowledge that, but it's a risk they feel they need to take.

>>10890716
It is, but the Steam market for "obscure Japanese shit" is not as small as people seem to think it is. If even one percent of the people who bought Recettear buy this, that's already decent sales.

>>10890544
Hey, fucknut who wanted to "blackmail" Moenovel with your imaginary demo decensor, are you still here? Any response from the developer so far? You'd better fucking hope they don't go through the trouble of delaying the release to change the resource format and obfuscate the binary, or I'll fucking find you wherever you are and throw a giant autistic fit.

I believe it's rather clear that when some visual novel gets on steam, be it this, Steins;Gate, or something else, it will easily be the biggest success by far that a Japanese PC visual novel has seen in the West.

>>10890749
What's Higurashi you retard?

>>10890749
Steins;Gate would make mad bank on Steam, the anime was pretty popular.

>>10890752
It's a visual novel that never made it into Steam. Why?

>>10890740
Scary! Can you imagine this /jp/spie throwing a huge fit on your door step, pants shitting and all! Don't fuck with /jp/

It kind of bothers me that awful distribution models like that of steam are so successful.

Digital only trash. A platform that competes with and effectively kills the physical distribution model through its success.

When I am a silly old man I bet all the young kids will laugh at me for even having physical products on my shelves. And I will have Steam to thank for the kiddies laughing at me.

>>10890824
How dare technology advance like that. Kids need to learn to appreciate the good ol' days.

>>10890831
>advance
Anon, please. Digital-only products are straight out inferior.

>>10890846
Yeah, who cares about convenience or price, right? If I want to play a game, I want to drive to the store to pick it up, pay more because of manufacturing costs, and then change out disks whenever I want to play a different one.

>>10889098
Fuck you.

I sure hope someone puts all the removed/edited content back in. Which engine does the VN use? Are there tools for it?

>>10890861
>driving to the eroge store
Can I live where you live?

>>10890893
I was talking about video games in general, feel free to replace that section with "wait for the package to arrive."

>>10890740

Another option would be inserting the english translation into the original version, depending on how much they've screwed with it to make the english version.

>>10890920
Another option? What first option did I name?

>>10890861
>pay more because of manufacturing costs, and then change out disks whenever I want to play a different one.
It's not more expensive though. These online platforms selling digital products over-charge their prizes something so ridiculous that it is practically insulting.

You know those "steam sales" and whatever else that Steam has around Christmas and Easter and whenever else, right? Those are pretty much the prizes that they should have for pretty much all of their products all the year around. But people just gobble it up anyway.

And you don't need to swap discs just because you bought a physical copy. You read the data and install it on your device.
But that's still an ironic complaint though because these online platforms have you completely at your mercy and bottle-necks all your services through that of the Internet and your registered account of their services. And without it you have nothing, so it's about as silly about complaining about the dependence on the physical form of a disc.

In one case though, you have been given the right to lease a service that currently includes the availability of the data of the game you purchased. And that's it.
In the other case you have actually purchased a product, and if you are lucky even a bundled package. A thing of actual collector's value, and the game you purchased to boot.

For about the same prize. Because online distribution platforms never want to offer fair prizes despite having cut the manufacturing costs out of the picture.

>>10890954
getting the cut stuff back into the english version of the game

>>10890972
You probably mean "price".
"prize" means reward.

>>10890972
>You know those "steam sales" and whatever else that Steam has around Christmas and Easter and whenever else, right? Those are pretty much the prizes that they should have for pretty much all of their products all the year around.
Good thing that's the only time I buy digital games then.

>But that's still an ironic complaint though because these online platforms have you completely at your mercy and bottle-necks all your services through that of the Internet and your registered account of their services. And without it you have nothing, so it's about as silly about complaining about the dependence on the physical form of a disc.
Let me know when Valve goes under and I'm unable to play my games. Oh wait, that's not going to happen.

>>10890994
>Good thing that's the only time I buy digital games then.
So ordering a game to be shipped from a store, is more of a hazzle than waiting for an entire year hoping they will sell your desired games as part of the sale?

>>10890974
Nope, I did not. And either way you still have to extract the script from the English release first, go through the painful process of aligning the lines and then find a translator for the missing content.

>>10891010
It's certainly more expensive.

>>10891024
You get more for the money though. And it's available any time of the year.

>>10891031
I'm going to throw this out there because it's most likely affecting my bias, but most games I buy don't even have retail releases. I do prefer retail releases for things other than PC, but when it comes to Steam, I typically buy my indie games, and just get AAA titles when they're on sale. I totally see where you're coming from, but I've never really had a problem with not actually "owning" my game, seeing as that doesn't affect my ability to get the full experience in any way.

>>10890972
>In the other case you have actually purchased a product, and if you are lucky even a bundled package. A thing of actual collector's value, and the game you purchased to boot.
Collector's editions cost extra money for stuff that most customers aren't willing to pay for anyway. Some are, obviously, and good for them, it's nice to own things you like. You'd otherwise have an argument, but 95% of the time the physical release is a disc or a cartridge, a cover and a booklet for controls and seizure warnings.

The data is the same. You know, the actual thing you bought it for in the first place.

If they wanted to release a VN as an All-Ages game, why didn't they just localize a game that was already ann All-Ages title in Japan? There are tons of titles like that out there, there'd be no reason to censor or remove anything.

>>10890911
I feel you.

>>10891067
>why didn't they just localize a game that was already ann All-Ages title in Japan?
Because Pulltop doesn't have any. Are you misunderstanding something here?

>>10890749
Pretty much this. And I hope they will go on steam, regardless.

>>10889829
>(somewhat) intact
Yeah, "somewhat", as in the same way 4Kids would use the word "somewhat".

Seriously though, you got high school kids not banging each other, not kissing each other, not even hugging each other and they want to convince the players that those kids are dating?

I live in a place where no Japanese otaku goods can be found in a thousand-mile radius while you assholes living in Tokyo complain that digital distribution is cancer.

I'm really glad that it is here to stay.

>>10891811
I actually heard they're rewriting all the characters as asexual.

Can someone explain me by simple words, what does it matter if H-scenes were removed? Many VNs have all ages versions already. Removing kissing scenes might be weird tho.

>>10893059
>Can someone explain me by simple words, what does it matter if H-scenes were removed? Many VNs have all ages versions already. Removing kissing scenes might be weird tho.


1.) In this case, the censorship goes beyond the H-scenes
2.) Even if it is just the H scenes, people hate an incomplete product. All ages versions in Japan is different since that isn't the only version out there.

>>10893094
I don't remember people hating Little Busters! because the all ages version came out first.

>>10893109
LB were created as all-age, and h-scenes were added later.
Konosora only existed as 18+, until the localizers decided to censor it. And no, it does not matter if the localizers are affiliated with the creators.

>>10893203
>LB were created as all-age, and h-scenes were added later.
How does that change anything? What excludes the chance that Moenovel might release the full content version in the future?

Nerds making big thing of nothing, once again.

Why didn't Pulltop pick a better game?

>>10893276
>How does that change anything?

Because in one situation they're adding content and in one situation they're censoring it? Are you fucking retarded?

>>10893295
It's one of the nicer ones. What do you prefer?

>>10893094
Has this been verified at all or are you the same guy who is insisting hugging has been removed? Also people hate an incomplete product? You might, but if they manage to get it on steam then their gamble paid off. No one will know or care that it's incomplete.

This was bound to happen sooner or later. Either it's going to fail or succeed but all this crap you type probably isn't going to effect the outcome. This is one of those things where if they make a lot of money, they were right. While that might have unfortunate implications, it's still one of those situations.

No matter how much you rage it's nothing like an all ages version of Violated Heroine.

>>10893297
They didn't remove the h scenes because they all became puritans. If they think they can make money on a h patch or something like that they'd do it.

>>10893297
And that doesn't change anything because for English speaking audience, de facto, content isn't getting removed, because there is no another version for English speaking audience. Moenovel's version is the first. It shouldn't matter, because the original Japanese game doesn't exists for English speaking audience.

If removing content in relocalization process matters just for sake of removing the content, then people should read the original game. It's same thing if people would be bitching about all ages versions; don't play it if you don't want, play the one with full content.

>>10893476
>the original Japanese game doesn't exists for English speaking audience.
>don't play it if you don't want, play the one with full content.

God, you're dumb.

>>10893295
Because Princess Waltz got licensed long time ago.

>>10891102
So this is a "Pulltop or nothing" situation? I didn't know about that.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ba_kgtZSfE
>Fantasy violence
>Blood
>Hugging
>Kissing
>Rated G for general audiences

5-year-olds watch this shit.

>>10893310
遥かに仰ぎ、麗しの

>>10893508
I suggest you next time read the whole post.

>>10893604
fuck that font

>>10893638
I did, and your entire argument hinges on something that you yourself contradict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVZXLC7xeQ

>>10893705
The font is perfectly normal in my version of the game

>>10893767
I guess that's just the vndb screenshots then. I suppose it's only normal for the font to be changeable in eroge nowadays anyway.

>>10889053
I really liked To the Moon!

>>10890824
I know how you feel. Though I'm not against digital distribution per se. I'm just against them charging unreasonable amounts of money for it. I also don't like how these platforms prioritize profit over content--milking DLC and only publishing popular works. I think one of the few good things about digital distro services is that it makes these things easier to pirate.

If I had the money, anon, I would buy special editions of everything. There's something magical about owning a physical copy of something you love. That's why it'll never die; people are still collecting vinyl and tapes.

(Original questions re-added by me for context.)

Hi VDZ,

Thank you for your interest in the game and for your mail. It is good to hear that you enjoyed the demo of the version of the game and are looking forward to the full release version.

An official Press Release will be out by this Friday, the 17th, and I hope some speculations will be addressed.

The the time being, the following answers might answer your questions.

>1. You plan to remove all sex scenes from the original game. Will they
>be replaced with any new content, or will they simply skip over the
>sexually explicit part without any other changes?
1. Yes, all sex scenes will be removed, and no new content wil be added. However, the game will still have a nice story, and the game will not have any awkward endings. Players who have not played the Japanese version of the game will be able to find the game interesting, and safe to play.

>2. There are rumors that kissing scenes or certain aspects of them will
>be removed or altered as part of the sexual content removal. Will there
>be any changes to any of the kissing scenes (outside of those taking
>place during sex scenes which are obviously cut entirely) compared to
>the original game?
2. The kissing scenes will be altered so that it will not show any tongues or lips touching, but will show the back or side view of a couple kissing, as seen under the 'demo' section in the official homepage, http://moenovel.com/imh/..

>3. Similarly, there are rumors about sexual jokes being cut or toned down
>in order to fit the ESRB T rating. To which extent has the dialogue been
>modified to remove references to sex (apart from cutting out explicit
>sex scenes)?
3. The wording has been changed so that there are no sexual jokes. There are, however, minimal slapstick humor scenes left behind.

>4. There are also explicit scenes and images in the original game that
>were not part of sex scenes, such as bathing scenes. What will happen to
>these scenes and images? Will they be removed? Will the images be
>modified to remove explicit parts?
4. Explicit scenes such as bathroom scenes will not show any obvious body parts, and will show characters in towels. Characters will also be covered by water in the bath. There will be no unnatural blocking of body parts, such as a blank-out of parts, or blocks covering body parts.

>5. For some time, Play-Asia listed the non-physical version of the game
>as being distributed in the form of Steam codes, although this has since
>been reverted. Are there any concrete, direct plans (as in, accepted by
>Valve) to sell this game on Steam? If not, do you plan to try or have
>you tried to get the game on Steam?
5. No, we do not have plans to sell the game on Steam. We do not plan, nor did we try to get the game on Steam.

>6. Will the game (physical and/or download version) have DRM? If so,
>what kind of DRM will be used?
6. The DRM of the download version will depend on the download platform/ website that you have purchased the game from.

>7. There are rumors of the sexual content of the original game being
>re-added to the game as DLC, based on a registry entry named
>'SweetLovePatch'. Are there any plans to re-add the sexual content like
>this or to release an 18+ version of the game? If not, what is the story
>behind the 'SweetLovePatch' registry entry?
7. No, there are no plans to re-add sexual content. The 'SweetLovePatch' will left over from the original game. It was purely a mistake on our part and will not be included in the full version of the game.

>8. The translation of the demo version has received a mixed response. To
>which extent, if at all, will the script be revised before the game's
>release? Will you release an updated demo when the script has been
>completed?
8. There are no plans to revise the translation for the full game at the moment. A few parts might be altered in the full version but the script for the demo will not be updated.

>9. MoeNovel seems to be a subsidiary of Will. To which extent were Will
>and/or Pulltop involved in the decision to release this title
>internationally and the decision to remove its sexual content?
9. It was decided by all departments to publish an all-ages version of the game.

>10. To which extent were Will and/or Pulltop involved in the actual
>localization of the game (such as deciding which content to cut, how to
>alter certain content, etc.)?
10. The cut contents and the alteration of contents were both decided by Will and Pulltop.

>11. A Twitter account has appeared with the name 'MoeNovel' but no
>profile picture. Is this (going to be) the official MoeNovel twitter, or
>did someone register the name before you were able to?
11. Yes, it will be the official twitter account. It is still being updated at the moment.

Thank you for your questions, we hope the answers above will be able to clear some of the confusion.

We would also like to thank you for your support and hope you will enjoy the full release version.

Kind Regards,

Moenovel support staff

>>10893829
>>10893832
He goes to 4chan too? I annoys me when people try to greentext in emails.

In other words,

-Sex jokes wil be removed.
-Kissing scenes will be kept, but the CGs will be altered.
-There are no plans to get the game on Steam.
-18+ content will not be re-added to the game in any official way.
-Will (original publisher) and Pulltop (original developer) were the ones who decided to handle the release in this manner.

There's still some uncertainty about the DRM (no mention either way of the physical version) and the response about the translation conflicts with earlier information we had.

>3. Similarly, there are rumors about sexual jokes being cut or toned down in order to fit the ESRB T rating. To which extent has the dialogue been modified to remove references to sex (apart from cutting out explicit sex scenes)?


3. The wording has been changed so that there are no sexual jokes. There are, however, minimal slapstick humor scenes left behind.

Say what you want about H scene removal, this is purely bullshit. This is also a lot harder to fix since lines are just altered, rather than missing, unfortunately

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=136433118

Above is one of the games that got greenlit on Steam. MoeNovel is either dumb, think explicit content (lol what explicit content?) isn't allowed on Steam or doesn't even have $100 to give to Valve.

>>10893834
>(Original questions re-added by me for context.)
Which are you, blind or illiterate? (Not to mention '>' to indicate a quote originated in e-mails, not textboards/imageboards.)

>>10893829
>5. No, we do not have plans to sell the game on Steam. We do not plan, nor did we try to get the game on Steam.
>>10893832
>8. There are no plans to revise the translation for the full game at the moment. A few parts might be altered in the full version but the script for the demo will not be updated.
Welp, this confirms that this VN is going to flop HARD.

So with that in mind

1.) We will need to get an unofficial patch. Work on this probably can begin before the official release if there happens to be a willing team
2.) If anyone who has played the original game has an idea of jokes which may be removed, please mention their location somewhere so they can be restored
3.) Bath, kissing scenes, etc will likely be a mix of original content and edited content, these will also likely be a pain in the ass to fix the scripts for.


As an aside, what kind of idiots make a game all ages to appeal to a broader market while throwing away the existing market, and then don't fucking try to get it on Steam.

These fools have no fucking idea Gabe Newell has been trying to get publishers to put Japanese games on his platform since 2012. Why do you think shit like Recettear, Ys and Half Minute Hero have been rolling in Steam in the span of merely 1 year?
>"We do not plan, nor did we try to get the game on Steam."
Seriously? You go back and tell your boss that he's been underestimating his chance.

And so the verdict is, stay far away from this release, do not plan to support it in any way.

Someone go post that email on the playasia page comments.

>>10893827
>>10893829
>>10893832
Oh man, how do you even fuck up that bad? No translation revision, no 18+, edited everything, and not even an attempt to get it onto a platform that will sell. No normal cares about edited porn games. No fan wants edited porn games.

It's like they don't want money.

>>10893878
I swear, the undergraduates studying for Business degree at my uni can run a company better than this.
I don't know what kind of shit-for-brain is making decisions at MoeNovel, but even undergraduates here understand that when you invest in a new market, the first thing you do before moving on any further is MARKET RESEARCH! These shit-for-brains have done none of that, and now they are stuck with this situation: the demographics they are trying to reach are on the platform they don't try to release on. And the demographics on the platforms that they are releasing on are not the ones there are trying to reach. And on top of that, they are asking customers for the same translation quality that they can get from Google Translate.

God, I want to slap the shit out of these guys for just being dumb as fuck.

>>10893893
>And on top of that, they are asking customers for the same translation quality that they can get from Google Translate.
Google Translate sure has improved.

>>10893898
GET OUT MOENOVEL DEVS!

>>10893878
>It's like they don't want money.

Perhaps they hate the West and are going out of their way to prove there is no market?

It makes more sense than an argument they are trying to make a profit.

Costs wise, they likely have much higher costs than MG/Jast does for a similar game, going with a big localization company (even if the TL is shit), going through official ratings, etc, and there are start up costs with a first release. And retail isn't bringing in a ton, with $30 digital, $35 hard copy

>>10893893
I don't think you even need to study Business to see how this is a failure. All the solutions are very simple and hardly costly. What's incredible is that they're actively refusing to fix the problems. It's a very niche, sensitive market and they are going out of their way to ruin themselves. I'm not so angry as I am baffled.

>>10893904
>Perhaps they hate the West and are going out of their way to prove there is no market?
Christ. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard one. It's not like I mind. There's more translated VN than most people will ever care to read and those who do care can likely read them raw.

>>10893917
>There's more translated VN than most people will ever care to read

Incorrect. I've read all but the extremely shitty ones (low quality MG nukige) at least once, with some really good once revisited yearly.

>>10893904
>Perhaps they hate the West and are going out of their way to prove there is no market?
Oh shit, that's right! I remember Capcom just flat-out told their investors that there was a "decline in quality of titles outsourced to overseas developers". These Japanese companies really fucking hate us.

>>10893904
>and are going out of their way to prove there is no market?
No need to "prove" anything anymore, there really is no such thing as a western VN-market. Wanting to build one through Steam is also a silly idea because all of them would get the Konosora treatment. No thanks.

>>10893904
>Perhaps they hate the West and are going out of their way to prove there is no market?
Better for some of us since we can act elitist about being able to read untranslated eroges. Anyways, I guess I'll download the Japanese version and add it to my backlog. And for everyone else, enjoy your censored porn.

>>10894073
>censored porn
What porn?

I just hope some team will edit the shitty translation in the original game so we can at least read it.

Can I laugh now?

>>10893844
>>10894113
Is the english-only community really so full of spergs who want to put an extraordinary amount of effort to bring back a few meaningless scenes and fix a translation of a medicore game?

>>10894125
What's your point? If you don't have a problem with censorship, go ahead and spend you money on it.

>>10894128
I don't have a problem with censorship, because I'm not going to read this game to begin with.

>>10894113
Learning Japanese is easier than you think.

If we let censorship freaks like this have a commercial success then the next thing they'll do is hire a shitty American voice cast to dub every game they release, remove the original audio language and when they localized enough games, they will have characters from these games get together to sing the fucking national anthem.

Seriously, this shit has to be stomped to death and ground into paste before it's even born.

>>10894144
2 years to barely understand a VN with the help of a dictionary. 1 or 2 more years to be bilingual in Japanese.

>>10893837
>-Will (original publisher) and Pulltop (original developer) were the ones who decided to handle the release in this manner.
If only Europe was seen as a more valid market. Had it been, they could have probably branched out into the foreign market quite easily without messing with any of this stuff.

>>10894125
>medicore game
I like these kinds of games. The Japanese releases lots of titles, but these kinds of games almost always improves my mood. And this one really isn't too bad.

>>10894169
FTFY: "2 years to fully understand a VN with the help of a dictionary."

>>10894492
More like "2 years to fully understand a VN and rarely use a dictionary".

>>10894125
>medicore game
VNDB score 8.21 says otherwise.

>>10894558
>VNDB

>>10894570
Your point?

>>10894570
Pretty sure Japan says it's a good game too.
I googled えろげランキング and here's the first link
http://blog.livedoor.jp/insidears/archives/52586748.html

>>10894589
VNDB is like MAL in terms of ratings.

>>10894597
>Japan

>>10894599
Oh yeah, and people's opinions say its a good game also. Let me guess
>People's opinions

>>10894604
Don't you know, some random guy on 4chan is the only individual who's taste matter in determining if this game is good, everyone else who thinks it's good is wrong.

>>10894113
> I just hope some team will edit the shitty translation in the original game so we can at least read it.

It is very unlikely someone will edit the translation to improve it's quality of the whole title, too much work. We have had crap translations in the past, very little work has ever been done on improving them

I'd love to see their reaction to someone releasing an uncensor patch.

>>10893898
Even Google Translate gets lucky sometimes.

>>10894626
I meant edit as copy and paste it in the original VN.

>>10894725
Never gonna fuckin' happen. Unless they actually leave every CG and more importantly translate all the ero lines and leave them in the game but hidden somehow, it's not gonna happen. Nobody is gonna translate a bunch of new shit just to add porn back to the game.

>>10894626
There was Editorashi, where Cudder took it upon himself to set up a crowd editing deal for something he saw as a shitty translation.

>>10894760
The content part is no problem, someone from the demo already has figured how to merge in the old content. But yeah, comes down to finding a willing team, but that will probably come out of wanting to say fuck you to the company.

>>10894833
I guess there have been other extensive projects, the Koihime voice restoration took quite a bit of effort it seemed like.

>>10894169
Yes anon go stomp it to death and grind it to paste before it's born.

So if this release crashes and burns, like it looks like it will, what happens next?

Some of the emails have gone from no plans to release 18+ content to instead may in the future, which seems to indicate the emails are getting to them. (Although even if it were to be a success, they should have expected this since only those who know something about the original VN would be e-mailing them with content questions, while they want to sell to those who have never heard of visual novels.)


So lets say that this fails horribly, and they decide to release their next title 18+. Do they go back to Jast and have them do it, or do they stay as MoeNovel and release something after submitting it for an AO rating?

>>10893839
Didn't Agarest have one decent translation and one horrible?
Which one is this?

>>10894125
>medicore
>中央値 83
>平均値 82
>データ数 603
sure

>>10893919
Wow. Props to you. But if you're that into VN, shouldn't you learn Japanese?

>>10895287
I tried. Sadly, my mental capacity is at its limit with two languages, extensive automotive engineering knowledge, electric engineering (muh degree), I.T. knowledge and musical knowledge (keyboards/piano, musical theory and sequencing/DJing skilsl).

I can't learn anything more, I can only improve the areas I already know.

>>10895294
>I can't learn anything more, I can only improve the areas I already know.
We both know this isn't true, anon. Long-term memory is virtually limitless!

>>10895357
This is not true. There comes a point where distinct new skills cannot be learned anymore.

>>10895368
? I don't think anyone as calculated a theoretical limit yet and I don't think anyone will reach that limit in a lifetime. The way human memory works also challenges the limit problem. Memory and cognition are all built on associations rather than discrete pieces of information. Learning new things only means creating new associations, usually between concepts that already exist.

Visual Novels: 4Kids Edition

>>10895453
In the age of 25 years I'm past my learning prime.

>>10895578
You just sound lazy, it will take a long time. How many months did you put in before you gave up? Did you have good habits?

>>10895586
Almost 4 months. My habits where "/jp/ approved", FWIW yet I couldn't progress past ~75 kanji and I would feel mentally exhausted after my daily reps.

>>10895599
Well, that's too bad. I'm not wildly farther than you so it's not that I'm speaking from a sort of superiority (even though reading my previous post I sounded like it). It's just unfortunate to see someone give up. Maybe if you spent a little more time at that wall you'd break through?

I came back to kanji after a small break and I feel like my progress is at a pretty good pace.

>>10895610
There's always time. I'm living off capital gains with fairly stable future prospects so I plan to revisit this in the future. I have all the time (17h/day) in the world.

>>10895622
Ah well good luck then.

>>10895578
I'm also 25 and just started learning kanji a few weeks ago, but I could already watch raw anime before. Maybe that makes a huge difference. It surprises me how fast I progress without much trouble.

>not learning japanese back when you were in high school and doing your reps on your way home and to school

>>10895245
>So lets say that this fails horribly, and they decide to release their next title 18+. Do they go back to Jast and have them do it, or do they stay as MoeNovel and release something after submitting it for an AO rating?

If they decide to go 18+ with some future game, it is best that they don't do it under the Moenovel label and instead create a new label. For the moment, they have a clean brand, which is releasing a game with a T-rating from the ESRB. As soon as they publish one title with 18+ content though, they forever lose the clean label.

>>10894760
>>10894833
>>10894838
I would be willing to translate the missing parts. I just don't know how to hack the engine.

>>10895726

How many schools have it? I know mine didn't.

plz dont look at my CP

>>10895796
I didn't go to school. I self-studied when I had the time. And it happened to be 2 hours on public transits every day for 2 years. Along with studying and reading when I had the time.

>>10895796
I didn't take courses to learn. I self-studied when I had the time. And it happened to be 2 hours on public transits every day for 2 years. Along with studying and reading when I had the time.

>>10895794
There have been people poking around at the engine, someone in the last thread said that he had it to the point where he could merge content from the Japanese version to the English version. He was waiting to see if an 18+ version, but Moenovel seems to have answered that question as no with the recent e-mail exchange, so hopefully he makes an appearance again.

>>10895829
>hopefully he makes an appearance again.
Hopefully >>10890740 does not happen after what he has brought upon us.

Couldn't we just translate this ourselves?

I'm sure we speak enough weeb collectively.

>>10895778
It's not the just games with adult content that will ruin a company's reputation, it's the fucking nukige that will carry that stigma. Even from the business standpoint, as tempting as the revenue those games will bring is, they're ultimately not worth sacrificing the company's long-term reputation.

>>10895999
It's the hacking part that's always the most problematic. Many of us here can translate the games ourselves, but nobody know how to hack the games.

>>10895794
If you are serious, do know that there is a sizable amount of content (although we won't know the full extent until after release).

What should be missing or needs work is

1.) 17 H-scenes are gone
2.) Bath/Beach/Kiss scenes are likely a combination of edited and original content, which probably would need to be looked over as they are going to be censored
3.) Probably some other miscellaneous scenes cut as well.

Additionally I doubt this will ever be fixed unless it's well marked in the script, so don't worry about it, but there will be random censored lines where offensive content was in the original.

>>10896003
> Many of us here can translate the games ourselves, but nobody know how to hack the games.
Then how do you explain that so many games have had their Japanese scripts extracted for years without being translated?

>>10896003
Hacking is almost never an issue, there are a few skilled hackers in the community who hack most things when there is a willing translator. It's very rare for this to be a truly limiting factor.

>>10896008
Mostly because of the lack of communication. I'm not even aware since when did which game had its script extracted and put on where.

It's also a human resources problem: the guy interested in the game is not confident enough to translate it, while the guy who's fluent enough is not interested in the game.

And also because we're just lazy and/or selfish. The time one could've spent on translating a game could be spent on playing another. Doing this kind of thing requires a certain kind of commitment, you can't just translate line-to-line without knowing the full context. Some translators want to know the game they're translating to its nooks and crannies before they even start doing it, like the guy translating Tales of Destiny DC (http://a0t.co/2013/03/25/tools-of-the-trade/).). You can only convey the full meaning of the script if you understand it as well the the guy who originally wrote it.

>>10896007
>4...and re-add the sexual jokes.
To much work for a average nukige.

>>10896082

I included that simply as something that only matters if it is well marked in some way. For example, if the included voice files are removed, then it probably will be easy to find those scenes, in which case it would be something that could be done. However, if there is no obvious marking that a scene is edited, then it's way too much work to try and find those random scenes, so it's not something to worry about.

>>10896109
It's unlikely that they will remove the voices from these scenes; knowing that most of the gajins dont know japanese (and they dont give a shit) they only need to make a heavy reedit to any text/image with sexual themes (jokes or not).

I bet that scenes like that will be removed/censored...

>>10896227

>>10893827
>An official Press Release will be out by this Friday, the 17th, and I hope some speculations will be addressed.

I take it their press release tomorrow is to make sure everyone knows they censored anything remotely objectionable, since they are concerned that someone might still buy it not knowing that.

>>10896831
Who wants profit anyways right?

>>10896831
They seem to have forgotten the most important part of selling a heavily censored product. You need to make sure your target audience would not know that it is censored, so you should be as quiet about it as possible.

Sure the informed crowd will know beforehand, but there are fewer of them compared to idiots you are selling to, and the informed crowd won't buy something censored no matter how open you are about it. Acknowledging that you butchered something doesn't suddenly make it acceptable to anyone.

>>10896831
Can't wait for Fox News finding out this game and that it has an erotic version. Cue MoeNovel cowering up and censor the game even more.

>>10896872
And the idiots they are trying to sell to are neither among Jast's nor MangaGamer's customer base. They are all on Steam and other distribution services. That's the real problem.

If they only took out ero and nothing else, I would probably buy this despite having no interest in playing it just to support the idea.

But if they are removing kissing scenes and such then fuck that.

>>10893847
But didn't Steam reject JAST?
I don't think they want eroge on their platform

>>10897028
But they have Christine Love on it.

>>10897033
>korean
how disgusting

>>10897028
If shit like Agarest got greenlit by Steam, then I don't see why this over-censored game wouldn't be.

All these examples everyone keeps on using from Steam are actual games with gameplay. Am I missing something?

This is literally a picture book. At least >>10897033 used an appropriate example I think. Did higurashi ever get greenlit?

In other news, people have found Ever17 in the SteamDB: http://steamdb.info/app/200090/

>>10897345
If this title made it on Steam, it would sell far more than Jast/MG have historically sold. More so, that is where the audience that Moenovel is targeting resides. And yet, they aren't even trying to get it on Steam.

>>10897368
Don't kid yourself, it's better that this game stay away from Steam.

>>10897028
yeah but that's JAST.
If I knew anything about VNs I'd reject jast and their lineup too.
http://vndb.org/p102
look at this shit.

>>10897370
>Don't kid yourself, it's better that this game stay away from Steam.


Don't get me wrong, I'm in full agreement with that and I'm glad this disaster is going to crash and burn. From a business perspective though, they are extremely stupid not to try and get it on Steam, as it would have got a profit and proves there is money to be made in the West.

>>10897378
All because of the nukige titles. Once they've got that stigma on the record, there's no going back.

>>10897368
Maybe it was supposed to be on Steam but got rejected at the last moment once Steam realized it was from a porn game.

>>10897518
>Maybe it was supposed to be on Steam but got rejected at the last moment once Steam realized it was from a porn game.

While that is possible, we only have the company's word to go on, and right now that is

>>10893829
>5. No, we do not have plans to sell the game on Steam. We do not plan, nor did we try to get the game on Steam.

From MangaGamer's twitter account, I'm sure they realize exactly what questions people would ask Moenovel when they posted this.

>Looks like Moenovel has finally opened their twitter account! Feel free to give them a follow and ask about If My Heart Had Wings!

>>10897564

That is one other problem business wise as one of the early e-mails, asking about advertising, their answer was they basically made social media accounts. There is a big problem though, social media advertising needs word of mouth to be successful, but when the word of mouth is nothing more than "even the kissing scenes are censored", there is no hope of any successful word of mouth campaign ever taking off.

Found the twitter account of 2 out of 3 writers of Konosora:
https://twitter.com/asta_konno
https://twitter.com/nanaumi

Try asking MoeNovel whether they got the approval from the writers for any rewritten content or it's just decision of the studio's boss.

Release date confirmed by site: June 28th.

>>10897963

>>10884929
nigger

>>10897357
> Cyberfront Comp
What does it mean? Ever17 hasn't been on Greenlight, so, is there a chance it will be published on Steam?

>>10898004
Publishers don't have to put their games through Greenlight if they are a Valve partner, and most big publishers are. That's all I understand.

>>10897518
This anon is correct. The PlayAsia entry originally advertised Steam keys, but then one day it stopped doing that. Just don't ask how Steam decided not to carry the game, because if it was common knowledge /vg/ would flood /jp/ bitching about elitist /jp/sies "sabotaging the Western VN market" or something.

>>10898174
Or Play-Asia was just incorrect. They had the DVD version marked as 18+ for a while, too.

>>10898185
PlayAsia was correct. MoeNovel wanted a Steam release, hence the extreme censorship. Now it's just hardheadedness, the "All of our original decisions are correct" corporate mantra.

>>10898174
>if it was common knowledge /vg/ would flood /jp/ bitching about elitist /jp/sies "sabotaging the Western VN market" or something.

God, /vg/ do that shit?

If anyone is interested, this is the new twitter account for Moeshit.
https://twitter.com/Moenovel

>>10898282

>>10898193
But according to your theory, not being on Steam was not their original decision. Not to mention that doesn't begin to explain the game being marked as 18+ on Play-Asia for a while.

>>10898299
Either that was before ESRB gave the game a T rating or Valve Steam requires more than a rating from ESRB.

>>10898193
All the same it's a decision that's reversible. Hearing you guys belly ache about having to wait 6 months until after release for a game to be in a playable state ... what, did you stop gaming in the Clinton Administration?
>>10898288
Fantastic post, keep it up! One guy posting image macros about he doesn't care and another guy who is talking like he's making pipe bombs.

The problem with the Steam theory is that Moenovel, who seems very honest about everything else, seems to have no reason to deny that they tried to get it on Steam. They gave very detailed answers to pretty much any other question they were asked, even ones like the censorship questions which would make them look bad.

They have a contest up to give away 5 copies, but the contest requires you to answer questions about the title, which probably means searching about the title to find answers, and in the process finding out it's extensively censored.

>>10898616
>One guy posting image macros about he doesn't care and another guy who is talking like he's making pipe bombs.
Anything out of ordinary here, gentlemen?

>>10898712
The answer is in the description, several lines above the question.

>>10898712
The answer is in the description, like half screen above the question.

>>10898712
Disregard this, it's only one question, and the answer is on the contest page, so no one would search because of this.

>>10898712
Contest should have asked how many position do heroines in this game had sex in.

>>10898282
>MoeNovel is a brand making use of high quality visuals and cinematics to localize Visual Novels

What the fuck does that even mean?

>>10898820
>Unlike traditional visual novels, this one contains high-quality visuals, movies, and moving renditions.
This isn't your momma's visual novel.

If they are consistent with these censoring policies, if they got Clannad, they would censor that.

>>10898937
Stuff that would be censore in Clannad:
- All the raunchy jokes made by Youhei.
- The entire Sunohara siblings route, since Mei is underage and that's somehow offensive.
- Every kissing scenes would have the CG altered.
- Everything about Ushio, since she's underage as well. Plus that would imply that Tomoya banged Nagisa at some point.
- Fuko route. She's in high school but fuck it, looks underage, must censor.
- Misae route. There's a hint of bestiality there.

>>10899929
Well at least the release isn't soon, so you have many more months to talk to yourself.

>>10900530
Just setting the bar of expectation.

>>10900547
I think people have a good idea what to expect, certainly you have better things to do than hammer out hastily typed screechy posts about this game?

>>10900565
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>>10890740
>You'd better fucking hope they don't go through the trouble of delaying the release to change the resource format and obfuscate the binary
We already have all the needed files and resources from the demo and the Japanese version, they can't unrelease them. But if the sight of bath towels turns you on and you really want to let your imagination run wild over the scene of kissing seen from behind, screencap them and I'll insert them into the Japanese version exclusively for you, pervert.

Things are getting complicated (especially with >>10895794), and I need time to think them over. I'll post in this thread tomorrow.
Who would have thought that a Chinese powerpoint cartoon porn can become this big of a fucking deal.

Meanwhile, I'd appreciate some thoughtful discussion (in my absence) on what would be the right course of our action and why. Your opinion matters because I'll need accomplices from /jp/ (did you notice all these 'we', 'our', 'community'?) since I can't do all of this alone.

>>10903396
It's not complicated, Moenovel has butchered a rather good title far beyond H-scenes, for reasons devoid of any logic. They have made it clear that they are not going to make anything official. There are no compelling arguments against making an 18+ patch.

>>10903396
>We already have __all the needed files and resources__ from the demo and the Japanese version, they can't unrelease them.
I'll ask you one more time: do you have the fully translated script yet? I'll answer myself: no, you don't.
> if the sight of bath towels turns you on and you really want to let your imagination run wild over the scene of kissing seen from behind, screencap them and I'll insert them
True, this is another part of the content which is missing.
> Things are getting complicated
"Some things I was told are starting to get through my thick skull".

So, did you get the response from Moenovel, sweetie pie?

>>10903396
>>they don't go through the trouble of delaying the release to change the resource format and obfuscate the binary
>We already have __all the needed files and resources__ from the demo and the Japanese version, they can't unrelease them.
I'll ask you one more time: do you have the fully translated script that comes only with the release version yet? I'll answer myself: no, you don't.
> if the sight of bath towels turns you on and you really want to let your imagination run wild over the scene of kissing seen from behind, screencap them and I'll insert them
True, this is another part of the content which is missing.
> Things are getting complicated
"Some things I was told are starting to get through my thick skull".

So, did you get the response from Moenovel, sweetie pie?

>>10899929
Aren't all high school students underage to begin with? With the exception of some seniors.

>>10903707
In Japan, all middle and high school students are 18 years old.

>>10903396
I highly doubt /jp/ will unite to make a patch for the Japanese version using the Engish version's script. The release being over a month from now, most of us will probably just lose interest and it'll become old news.

>>10904174
yeah, current /jp/ full of scrubs.

>>10903605
>It's not complicated, Moenovel has butchered a rather good title far beyond H-scenes, for reasons devoid of any logic.
Maybe one day you'll get so hyperbolic that your hyperbole will be needed by the government to fight off space aliens who are weak to hyperbole.

>>10907739
They removed H-scenes, and they have thus far targeted only the VN audience, working with 2 porn companies, and are not trying to get on platforms such as Steam. Their censorship also goes beyond what is even needed for a T rating, to the point where it almost seemed like they wanted an E10 rating, based on what we know thus far. There certainty is an argument towards removing censorship for a wider audience, but thus far there has been no indication that they thought about what to do after step 1 remove everything objectionable, especially since step 2 was work with porn companies to sell it and step 3 was to try and justify it to an informed audience that would never accept it rather than finding an uninformed audience to sell it to.

>>10899929
Don't forget the storage room scenes, they obviously have to go.

>>10908098
In other news, Konosora is now the top-selling PC game on Play-Asia.

>>10908549
so... it's going great for them or something?

>>10908556
Either that, or PC-games just don't sell on Play-Asia

>>10908549
Newsflash: New title makes sales; Exciting commentary at 11!.

I doubt Play-Asia even makes 10 PC sales per month otherwise. Just look at the rest of the titles.

top seller changed to Dark Souls...

>>10908565
Yeah, I wonder what the sales numbers are for PC games on Play-Asia. This could either mean they're selling quite while, or it could mean they've only got MangaGamer's average sales so far.

>>10908106
Thank you for your contribution, anime-only fan. Please read the visual novel before engaging in further discussion about it.

>>10908572
Well, there's at least 49 titles in the top sellers list, so at the very least they're selling 49 games per month. Assuming the list counts monthly sales, not weekly or something.

>>10908592
Or the list contains all entries, just applying shorting according to sales.

Who the fuck would buy Dead Island from Play-Asia anyway?

>>10908596
Hey, you never know. I also buy a lot from AmiAmi, but I've never bought a figurine in my life. Just because a store is only known for X doesn't mean nobody buys Y from them.

>>10908098
You're just regurgitating a bunch of shit everyone already knows and trying to pass it off as insight. Butchered is too strong of a word for cutting h-scenes, shut up. No one really knows the extent of censorship, shut up. It's not automatically the blunder of the century because a company removes your precious cartoon sex from a visual novel, shut up.
>>10908623
People buy from J-List after all! This thread would be a lot more enjoyable if we didn't have to go back to: "the game is RUINED, it will sell ZERO units, if it doesn't we need to SMASH IT INTO THE GROUND, this is a eroge GENOCIDE"

>>10909195
Get out MoeNovel devs!

>>10909195
>You're just regurgitating a bunch of shit everyone already knows and trying to pass it off as insight. Butchered is too strong of a word for cutting h-scenes, shut up. No one really knows the extent of censorship, shut up. It's not automatically the blunder of the century because a company removes your precious cartoon sex from a visual novel, shut up.

They were quite clear in the extent of the censorship in VDZ's email. Are you telling us not to take them at their word when lying would only make them worse?

>>10908579
>Thank you for your contribution, anime-only fan. Please read the visual novel before engaging in further discussion about it.

The anime had storage room scenes for a number of characters, it was off of all the main routes though.

>>10908579
>Thank you for your contribution, anime-only fan. Please read the visual novel before engaging in further discussion about it.

The visual novel had storage room scenes for a number of characters, it wasn't on the main route. Check the 300 hour walk through for a full list of them.

>>10909195

Oh no, someone is criticizing my super-favorite-only-true-VN! I haev to whiiiiine about itttttt1!!!!11212!

>>10909329
>The visual novel had storage room scenes for a number of characters, it wasn't on the main route. Check the 300 hour walk through for a full list of them.
Well, yes. That much is obvious. The problem here is that only the Kyou scene is even remotely sexually suggestive, and even there it's not nearly as suggestive as the anime turned it into. In the anime, there would be reason to cut it according to those standards. In the VN, none of them would be altered except MAYBE Kyou's.

>>10909309
Honestly, I'll give you that. I forgot about the e-mail correspondences. I think everything else I said is pretty valid

I will add that I haven't played the original (neither have you, probably) and we don't know the scope of sexual jokes, maybe they needed to be removed for Teen. So in that way we don't really know the extent.

Also it's a little funny to go from screaming about how the translation is impossible to understand to taking e-mails written by the same people as gospel.

>>10909353
The best part about this post is that it's literally the same tone as every other shitheel trying to declare this the blunder of the century.

>>10909404
Well remember you're talking to someone who really thinks this game is being localized by evil puritans who are trying to blueball him.

>>10909606

The best part about this post is that, excluding trolls, the people you're talking about don't exist.

But, keep on white-knighting it, maybe someone will care eventually.

>>10910178
>tumblr

>>10910757
He did it twice even.

>>10910178
Yeah classic troll behavior, make post with logical inconsistencies and go quiet when called out. Look kid, if you try any harder you're going to hurt yourself.

From MoeNovel twitter

>Sorry Chris, there are no current plans for an uncensored version of the game

I guess they needed to make sure people on Twitter know it is censored too.

>>10910757
Do you've a problem with my super cute, epic, AND appropriate reaction image?

>>10910757

who are you quoting?

http://anrism.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-902.html

>>10911479
On a more serious note, they also noted the demo is back up. Can someone who is knowledgeable about how to do so check to see if they properly scrubbed the H-content out of it.

For what it's worth, the full ESRB rating info isn't out yet, but the descriptors with the T rating are mild language and suggestive themes

>>10893919
I'm pretty sure autistic consumers such as yourself do not constitute 'most people'

From Twitter:

Nintendo Maniac 64
@Moenovel Why is 'If My Heart Had Wings' officially rated by the ESRB and PEGI with and 13+ when there's no Android or iOS version?

MoeNovel
@nintendomaniac We only plan to release a computer version of the game. Thus, only the computer version of the game has been rated.

Nintendo Maniac 64
Reply to @Moenovel But PC software does not require ESRB and PEGI ratings...

MoeNovel
@nintendomaniac We intend to sell the game in American retail stores and many of them have policies to stock or sell games with a rating.

>>10912856
>We intend to sell the game in American retail stores and many of them have policies to stock or sell games with a rating.
This is going to be a catastrophic.

>>10912919
Actually, if they manage to do this I think they'll easily outsell MangaGamer, probably JAST too. They may not be on Steam, but they're still reaching the average anime fan like this.

>>10912419
Yes they do. It's a visual novel.

Get out MoeNovel devs.

>>10912941
They could probably easily get it on Amazon as well. If it's a nice boxed copy it would be a lot more appealing to people. But on the other hand people from /jp/ won't warez it because there isn't sex, so I'm sure that factors in.

I hope that nobody here has died from the anticipation.
Here is the text from English demo, Japanese full version (updated to the latest v.1.02) and Sweet Love disc, ready for translation and inserting.
pastebin.com/RRqPe058
You MUST keep all 6 zeroes intact and at least one empty line right above them as a separator between the text messages.
Every message SHOULD contain up to 200 characters and no more than 4 lines. Messages longer than that will have to be manually split into several ones which is a headache for me, so don't do that unless there's absolutely no other way.
Every line can be up to 50-52 characters long, but I'll handle word wrapping for longer lines, so you can simply type the whole message in one line as long as it's under 200 chars total.
Furigana will be deleted, it's left in the script for translators' convenience only.
Choices have been omitted, don't worry about this.
Also note that in case I die from fapping or whatever, the translations will not suddenly become useless since anyone caring enough for Konosora will find out what's been replaced by those zeroes and how to get the translated lines into the script.

Now for the declaration.
1. I will not share any technical details on modding Konosora until July 15.
2. Modding info/code/tools will be released along with the patch when it's done or on July 15, whichever comes later.
3. I will NOT uncensor English release, the patch will be made for the Japanese version only.
4. I will provide technical support to translators in Konosora threads on /jp/. No other way of communication allowed.
These things are non-negotiable, though I can explain the reasons behind them if anyone's interested.

Anything important to the project will be announced in a wall of Engrish text posted from this IP address along with some kind of proof that the poster knows what he's doing.

>>10913741
>can explain the reasons behind them if anyone's interested.
Please do.

>>10913779
Which one? I don't feel like typing another wall of text because apparently there's just me and that somewhat useful idiot worrying about Moenovel's income in this thread.

>>10913812
>3. I will NOT uncensor English release, the patch will be made for the Japanese version only.

>>10913823
I believe that it's important to find out whether there's a market for butchered VNs in the West. If I make a patch for English release, people will be buying it as if they were buying an uncensored VN which won't prove anything to anyone.

>>10913886
>I believe that it's important to find out whether there's a market for butchered VNs in the West

I believe that there should *not* be a market for buthered VNs in the West. We're not a second class market.

>>10913741
Do you think the technical knowledge is difficult enough that no one else will be able to do it if they find something you do as inconvenient? Especially when you could be viewed as an elitist asshole with your declarations which would encourage someone else to work on it?

Do you also realize that by only working with the Japanese version, you are only hurting sales for MoeNovel by encouraging piracy, rather than something like Koihime with MangaGamer where people could support MangaGamer but still enjoy the full product?

>>10913908
>We're not a second class market.
You are correct. We aren't a second class market. Because we're not a market at all.

I would much rather have a second class market here than no market at all. Half a loaf is better than none.

>>10913998
>I would much rather have a second class market here than no market at all.

I'd rather have no market at all than a second-class market. And you can't compare a censored product with percentages of a loaf of bread.

In any case, in Konosora's care, it's more like being given a thin slice instead of a whole load and that slice had the outer crust removed.

>>10913996
So you are here after all, being useful this time. Alright.
I don't want to be involved with uncensoring of English release because read above, but I obviously can't stop others from doing it. If people want shit, it's their undeniable right.

Cut your NLP crap short, I'm not in the mood for the games today because I'm killing my dream with my own hands. MG/JAST can go fuck themselves. MoeNovel doesn't sell Japanese version, I'm not hurting them in any way. I want the VN to sell for what it's worth. If it flops, then people don't want shit. If it sells, that means it's worthy enough for these people, I'm not skewing the numbers.

They are trying to sell VNs to a 'normal' audience. That won't happen.

I feel gladness knowing that they are wasting money doing this. Maybe it will financially ruin their company and no one will ever again try to do this. That would be swell.

>>10913741

> 1. I will not share any technical details on modding Konosora until July 15.

> http://asmodean.reverse.net/
> exoozoarc.zip
> Contents:
> // exoozoarc.cpp, v1.0 2012/05/25
> // This tool extracts *.arc archives used by この大空に、翼をひろげて.

Look, mac, it's kinda hard to break it to you, but the resource extractor for この大空has existed for a while now.

The reason why the game hasn't been translated yet is not the lack of a computer genius who would crack the enigmatic resource format (which is so enigmatic that the extractor takes no less than 3 kb in size, including help and comments), but the lack of good translators with a ton of free time. You appear to underestimate the value of the latter judging by your attitude and actions.

What did they change in the updated demo? Removed the panty race?

>>10915616
They should have scrubbed the H thumbnails which were present in the original release.

I have to wonder who the retailer they found to sell it in the US is, they have now mentioned a number of times they are selling it at US retailers.