/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>"oh cool a new animu is out!"
>2hu
>2hu references everywhere

why?

Alstroemeria
Shibayan
Syrufit

when you see it...

blame Bad Apple

>>10818948
to please the masses

fuck dubstep

>>10818948
>tfw downloading touhou music and discovering its all dubstep remixes

why ruin such tasteful classics

>>10818976
Who r u quotin m8

>>10818999
Shut the fuck up. Hating greentext is dumb jp culture.

Dubstep is like brony of music. Gazillion of people like it but I don't understand why.

Tfw I kinda enjoy 2hu dubstep.

>>10818999
Sick trips m8

>>10818955
What anime?

It wasn't any better before.

>"oh cool a new touhou doujin album is out!"
>electronic techno shit
>electronic techno shit everywhere

bu

>>10819070

What's wrong with dubstep?

>>10819687

it's shit and the japs are not only featuring it on every release but also include a dubstep part in non dubstep songs

btw it's shit

>>10819696
Please explain to me how the entire genre is objectively shit.

>>10819698
Explain how dubstep is genuinely enjoyable to listen to or artistic in any way.

>>10818948
>>10818955
>>10818976
>>10819342
Who are you midoring

>>10819070
>>10819684
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/References_to_Touhou

>>10819684
What touhou references were even in this show? I can't recall.

wub
wub
wubwub
wrrrrrrrreeeeEEEEEE

>>10819700
It follows the basic principles of music theory.

i like it

Come on weebs, post some good dubstep remixes!

>"oh cool a new touhou doujin album is out!"
>Literally just Skrillex tracks with groaning sound clips
What the fuck.

>>10819715
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ipTggZgNI

Considering the original, well, it's okay, I think.

>>10819720
Pretty good, but is this even dubstep?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6coMifmDqo

>>10819700
This is what I want to ask to everyone who listens to or makes the shit.

>>10819718
>>10819342
>>10818976
>>10818955
Who are you quoting?

at least it's better than metal.

>>10819763
True enough.

>>10818958
A
S
S

>>10818948
Congrats, you've been convinced by skrillecks and co. that those sounds are dubstep.

>>10819770
Your point? It still sounds like shit and they keep doing it.

>>10819778
I think OP offended his shitty taste in music by comparing shitty music to shitty music.

>>10819778
What's YOUR point, nerd? Touhou music is shittier than dubstep and they keep doing it.

>>10819789
My point was that it still sounds like shit and they keep doing it.

>>10819795
They're making their music shittier than it already was. Carry on.

Please do not misuse the spoiler and quoting features.

Dubstep is to 2012 what McTrance was to 2002.

Entry level electronic music for people who don't know anything.

And yet, everyone was tripping balls about their favorite circle's newest album.

>>10819696
>include a dubstep part in non dubstep songs

I can deal with dubstep touhou because it's my thing and i can just avoid it, but that shit is inexcusable.

>>10826803
not my thing*

Grossly off-topic, but I don't want to start a new thread for that-
I lost quite a lot of my recent (2 years or something) /jp/ comiket uploads. Found back most of what I wanted to, but I can't find even the name of one.

It was traditional-style played music with flutes and shamisen and all..

Anyone to give me the name at least ? I'm positive I can find it then.

>>10826777
aye, i agree.

I agree that dubstep isn't exactly a great genre, but the alternatives are not so hot either.
House trance and dnb get boring just as fast,
especially with people like rolling contact using the same samples for 10 albums
[spoiler 3,2,1 somebody scream![/spoiler]
gabba and lolicore are just shite.
What else is there?

>>10819058

We hate greentext because its bad form. Hating greentext has protected us from every post being condensed to >implying.

>>10826879
>What else is there?
Glitch is great. A lot of breakcore is good too (mainly when it's mixed with other genres. Breakcore/glitch is awesome). Most IDM is boring but some is very good.

>>10826879

I just miss proper instruments... These days music has too much going on at once. That's why I Zun's music, bcause you can still hear the little tunes he makes within the song itself. You can hear everything that's going on.

>>10826909
Yeah man, synthesized trumpets are great to listen to in isolation.

I can practically smell the Cubase on his music.

>>10826879

Welcome to what people who like electronic music have been saying for years.

Too much copying and not enough innovation. People think innovation = smashing two gimmicks from two subgenres together to make a new one.

And of course now that it's cool to like electronic music people are getting paid more to do less.

If a genre is built on gimmicks and cookie cutter structures it will inevitably get very boring very quickly.

>>10826931
I don't know anything about music, but doesn't this basically mean that classical music written hundreds of years ago is some of the most "complex" music?

Normally when technology comes along, people discover they can do new things, and build on top of things. There are more electronic arrangements of classical music than I can count, but it seems one person playing a piano solo or writing for an orchestra 300 years ago is more involved than some of the best electronic music, even though we have all this software and technology to help us.

I guess people are still writing music traditionally and I'm also guessing there are people who make complicated electronic music (either for the sake of being complicated, or with the same thought behind it as a classical composer), but from my everyman point of view it feels like we're missing some sort of middle ground. It might be out there, but I haven't heard of it.

>>10826995

It entirely depends on the execution. It's not logic that applies everywhere.

Electronic music has evolved like this:

>I'll take the offbeat bass used in <subgenre>
>And use the supersaws from <other subgenre>
>And make a whole great new genre!!

It's technicality vs creativity. If your creativity is dependant on what technical aspects of music you can glue together, you will only sound derivative.

You could actually make good music by colliding two genres together, but it'll take more than just that - you need a good dose of creativity and musical fluency too.

Music technology used by electronic musicians evolves faster than the skill of electronic musicians, so producers are constantly in a state of 'woah, listen to this sound I can make'. Which while is fun and sometimes 'experimental' does not really make good music.

There's a load more problems, I can't even be bothered to go into them all. Electronic music needs a rehaul in its philosophy right from the ground up.

>>10826879
>What else is there?
Glitch, trancecore, ambient techno, electro, big beat, industrial, trip-hop, breakbeat, ACTUAL dubstep (roots of the genre actually resembles something along the lines of dub + garage/2-step)

Wubstep has very little to do with actual dubstep. The dub reggae influence is nonexistent and it resembles electro way more than garage. Hell, the person who made first notable use of WUBWUBWUB hates it now because something he did to spice things up has become a staple and ran into the ground.

>Any Touhou electronic music circle
>Especially Shibayan
>Good
Pls go listen to real, non-weeaboo music.

>>10827106
I listen to a shit ton of genres of ''real'' music but I still like stuff like earthnewsound a lot.

>>10827117
EastNewSound is very good, I enjoy them a lot. Touhou electronic music circles can make some pretty good tracks sometimes but I do agree most is shit and you're gonna have to really dig through it all to find what you like. EastNewSound has thrown in a lot of genre's into their music and it's all worked very well. Even psytrance surprisingly which I'm a huge fan of. I also love Dubstep but someone should tell all electronic touhou music circles to stop doing it because it sounds like shit whenever they do most of the time.

>/jp/ discussing music

>>10827106
>>Good

Go kill yourself, you greentext using piece of trash.

>>10827174
>sounds like shit
figuratively or literally?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i_u_6gkV0g

there's no dubstep in this thread. someone post an example of the touhou dubstep you don't like, so i can laugh at you.

>new touhou doujin album is out
>2013
u w0t m8?

>>10827174
Dubstep panders way too much to teenagers these days in my opinion. Also about ENS I can't ever really tell the genres apart for some reason, mind saying which one of theirs falls under psytrance?

Also am I the only one here who likes metal/rock Touhou remixes? Magnum Opus can be fucking genius at times. Also when does the next album of theirs come out? I know the previews out for Mountain of Faith and it is making me look forward to it a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck57UA7xvyI

>>10827086
There's so much music out there that if you can't find any electronic genres you like then you haven't even scratched the surface. My favorites are liquid drum and bass, dubstep, psychill, psytrance (all kinds), dub techno, dark ambient, glitch, death industrial, hardcore, speedcore/splittercore, and I also listen to a lot more random stuff as well as music outside of electronic music but the I don't have enough from them to say I'm a fan or they aren't what we're talking about right now.

>>10827199
Also I should also stop using also so many times in my post.

IDM is the strongest electronic genre. Anyone that disagrees have shit taste.

>>10827199
>panders way too much to teenagers
>using this phrase like it has a meaning

>>10827204
https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S10801060#p10801348_21

>>10827201

Most of these are all derivative crap though.

If you know anything about psytrance you'll know it's painful to listen to because it has barely changed in 10 years.

>>10827214
Who are quoting? To be honest you are almost right though since almost all western entertainment panders to teenagers these days.

>>10827199
Well I don't think dubstep collectively tries to (besides maybe some mainstream stuff that is much farther from what it originally was anyways), it just does because it's very modern music. And the ENS album I'm talking about is Lucent Wish.

>>10827213
I like this band a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xc2eNFFvzs

>>10827225
>And the ENS album I'm talking about is Lucent Wish.

What? All of Lucent Wish is psytrance? I am really bad at telling electronic subgenres apart then.

>>10827213

IDM is just for gearheads who decide to make musical collages from the sounds they discover on a synthesizer. It appeals to fans of the abstract because they believe that abstract = mysterious = obscure = good.

I hate to use the word 'hipster' normally but I'd say it's very much a hipster thing. Not everyone was that impressed when Aphex Twin first started making music.

>>10827221
>implying there exists non-derivative music
>painful to listen to because it has barely changed in 10 years
>barely changed in 10 years
>barely changed
>10 years
>what the fuck am i even talking about?

>>10827238
no, ENS is not psytrance at all. don't know what he's talking about.

>>10827250
>that feel when
>I epik greentexted
>once again
>I suck cocks
>every day
>YOLO

>>10827221
I'm pretty sure it's only painful to listen to if you don't like it and why does it need to change much to be considered good? The music is diverse to me though, not all of it sounds exactly the same. I'd be bored to death too if you put on something I don't like. All a matter of opinion.

>>10827246
IDM is semi-mainstream these days though. Mainly because of RDJ and Autechre.

>>10827258
Some tracks have elements of it in it, of course it isn't purely that. But I'm just saying they use those well in their tracks.

>>10827246
I agree for the most part I think IDM sucks, usually just a bunch of people trying to be experimental and creative but it all just ends up sounding so boring most of the time.

ENS is great but I fucking hate the male singers. It sounds like some cheesy shounen OP or something. Also some of the singing Lyrical Crimson is painful for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfey901YOiA
The newer remix of masterspark is better anyways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOK31NSVqlg

>>10818948

>"oh cool a new touhou doujin album is out!"

>mfw some of you nerds here actually think this

>>10827289
Ametsub is dope though. C418 agrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI0AiFG5dXY

>>10827289
What's wrong with this:
>>10827232

>>10827250

The thing is with derivative music is that it gets worse the more it derives.

Sure you can argue that technically everything derives from classical or even bongo drums in africa or some shit, but the reality is that classical sounds vastly different from say, rock or blues.

Liquid Drum n Bass does not sound vastly different from Drum n Bass or even Breakbeat Hardcore if you want to nitpick. The structures are almost identical.

>>10827260

Come on, even people who love psytrance are bored to fucking death with it, same with most genres out there. Everyone in the psy community seems to agree that it's getting really ridiculous. Even the psy splinter genres are stupid. 'Psychill' AKA Ambient with a few stereo 'psychedelic' effects. 'Prog Psy' AKA Post-2000 israeli psytrance played at 130bpm. 'Psy breaks' AKA Drum n Bass with a few 'woosh' effects, 'Psy Dub' AKA Dub with 'psychedelic' effects (Dub already had these).

And so on and so forth.

Most Psytrance producers just make music in a different genre, add some 'psychedelic' effects (That aren't really that psychedelic anyway) and then package it as 'Psy-<genre>' because the album art has a glowing buddha on it or a space vista image with fractals on it.

It's homogenized to buggery. Even Neo-goa is nothing like old goa, it's just entirely based on sampling the same leads Astral Projection used in 1997 and compressing the balls off them. Add a modern Psytrance laser kick and woohoo, we have 'Neo-goa', it's dumb.

>>10818958
These are my favorite doujin music groups.
Granted, I liked Alstroemeria better around the time of Fragment Reactions, but still...
I guess I'm not welcome on /jp/ anymore? Later nerds, I'll be enjoying sick 2hu wubs.

>>10826777
It's funny that you say that. I thought the McTrance of 2012 was McTrance.
"Brostep" is quickly infecting every genre, but if you pull up whatever the "big" 5 pop songs are at the moment, I'll bet most of them just sound like more quickly progressing trance songs to me, "wasp sound" and all.

>>10827086
I get what you're saying. Honestly, I like these doujin dubstep/electro groups *because* most of them do more interesting songs than the average dubstep producer, but even I'm getting tired of cookie-cutter brostep and have been trying to get into more traditional dubstep.

As a fan of both genres, I don't really get people trying to claim that breakcore is more sophisticated or pleasant to listen to than dubstep, though. It's so fucking ironic when someone complains about how horrible dubstep is ("Is this even music? How can you enjoy this?") then proceeds to put on a generic breakcore beat with 3-4 weeaboo songs stitched together and a few HILARIOUS anime soundclips thrown on top. I thought we were united in liking cheap, trashy, unsophisticated, "acquired taste" music.

>>10827312
>I guess I'm not welcome on /jp/ anymore?
don't be fooled by the hipsters. no one else needs to have their musical tastes affirmed, so they don't bother posting in these useless shit threads.

pretty much >>10827175

>>10827312
>It's so fucking ironic when someone complains about how horrible dubstep is ("Is this even music? How can you enjoy this?") then proceeds to put on a generic breakcore beat


Listen you punk ass bitch, dubstep is objectively shit. Why? Because everyone knows what dubstep is (shit that sounds like a skrillex song). What the fug is a "generic breakcore beat"? I do not know because I am not an autist who has to ruin everything fun and I enjoy music for what it is. Unless it is shit, like dubstep.

That is why dubstep is shit and music I enjoy is not shit.

>>10827324
That was a joke, I don't really care if /jp/ shares my musical taste or not.

This thread is way more interesting than the usual shitposts, though.

Fact:

Denpa sucks.

Isn't that Skrillex guy only like 24?

>>10827349
16 just like me :)

#DUBSTEP

>>10827312
"generic breakcore beat with 3-4 weeaboo songs stitched together and a few HILARIOUS anime soundclips thrown on top." You know Reizoko Cj does that really well, you should check out the album Dark Side. Anyways I enjoy both dubstep and actual breakcore but not too much breakcore. I have enough to throw together a small separate playlist for it all though. I don't listen to it all the time.

>>10827334

Also just to follow up to my post,

why do amerifats have to ruin everything? You never see a european defending shit music like dubstep or breaking music down into endless genres like >>10827305 did. Americlaps are so lacking in culture they must try to ruin music in a failed attempt to sound deep and knowledgeable.


>mfw an american seriously claims to listen to witch house (you can't see my face but it's a look of utter contempt and disgust)

It's sort of why I stick to the more pedestrian Touhou doujin albums.
Tutti sound, Yuuhei satellite, etc.
They may be overhyped and overplayed, but at least they are pleasing to listen to.

>>10819058
Greentexting is just as bud as dubstep.

>>10827334
Dubstep isn't just Skrillex, go and find some real dubstep.

>>10827385

Shut the f*ck up you hipster trash American

>>10819720
That's not dubstep, dude

It's like anything electronic is dubstep, or anything with distorted guitars is metalcore. Jesus Christ, get your shit together.

>>10827366
Wanna know why we need to break it down so much? For organization purposes, some people are looking for a specific sound within a genre or sub genre and it makes it easier to find what your really looking for.

>>10827392
Too bad I'm an actual fan of dubstep who knows his shit and not just some random hipster but nice try.

>>10827392
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>>10827393
Gay as HELL. How will you discover new things? I like "pop music" which I'm sure includes fifty billion subgenres, but just downloading pop music has helped me find good music I wouldn't have discovered if I was only looking for "synthpop music".

It's like that website that says Google puts you in a bubble and you should use their website instead.

>>10827396
Yes not dubstep at all but despite the shit quality of that video it sounds pretty good and I might check out that album. Anyone got it in 320?

>>10827403
Add Touhou references and parrots in that post and that would pretty much be /jp/ in one post.

>>10827414
>>>/rs/

might have it.

>>10827411
Looking in general genre's that interest you is where it all begins of course, then you start looking for what you're specifically interested in within in it. Like I said they're there for people that are looking for something very specific. Those that are, are most likely already very familiar with the general genre they're looking in.

>>10827435
/rs/ never has anything these days.

>>10827297
>It sounds like some cheesy shounen OP or something.

I burst out laughing the first time I heard the beginning of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abWeJl6CRrg

>>10827445
I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed.

Fuck you, people. You don't get what you want because in the long run you don't want it. More choice isn't always a good thing.

>>10827393

You are right, but this is really not a good thing.

I would never say to someone, "Wow, I really like Liquid Drum n Bass, please recommend me some more!".

People who are new to it treat electronic music like it's a commodity - a sonic background of sorts. They don't care about whether it's well written they just wanna hear the 'sick bass' or whichever musical gimmick that genre provides.

And really, electronic music only has itself to blame. The more you pigeonhole yourself, the more you stifle your own creativity. Try to make a trance track at 132 bpm without someone calling it 'progressive'. Try to make a dubstep track with an ambient feeling to it and watch someone call it 'Dubchill'. Try making a darker sounding drum n bass track and watch someone call it 'glitchstep' or 'darkstep' or something.

Listen to 808 State - Pacific State, it was a house track with an ambient vibe to it. That's all people thought of it.

But now, if someone was to make that track it would be Progressive ambient chillhouse jazzfunk. So essentially, what you're doing is you're not allowing the genre of house to experiment, because the moment it does - it stops being house.

And thus the standards are set. Creativity now equates to subgenres being merged - and with that they don't become creative deviations from the norm, just atypical examples of the new sub-sub-sub-subgenre they have created just by existing.

The way to fix it? Stop. Copying. Stop pigeonholing music.

>>10827461
It's not effecting you though, more choice is good for those who want to dig deeper into it for what they'll really like in it. We really do want it. Now you're just coming off as someone who's crying because it's too complex for you to understand when you're not heavily into music at all.

>Hey anon, what music do you like?
>Uh... Touhou trance, electro, and dubstep. Also I defend it on internet forums.

>>10827385
>>10827393
>>10827445
>>10827504
U got tricked ;)

>>10827346

check your tastes

>>10827504
But I apply this to everything.

If someone only wanted a very specific type of food and asked me to cook it for them, I'd ask what kind of food they like and cook them something else. "Oh you like lamb korma? So you like curries? Well fuck you, I'm making chicken tikka."

That'll show that nerd. I bet he loves it. The fat fuck.

>>10827513
I can't tell if it was trolling or the person was actually being serious, people actually are stupid enough to think like that you know?

There are certain sounds I really like but I don't know what they're called, nor do I know the genres the songs are in, so I'm left to just dick around with crossfades until I find a new artist or album I think I'm going to like.

>>10827530
Well music isn't food and when I'm listening to music looking for things I'm the only one involved and no one is getting annoyed so that food example doesn't even make sense here.

>>10827555
People think they only want egg fried rice. How about you try some different rice? "I will, but right now I just want egg fried rice!"
Fuck you. You shouldn't have that option. When you go to a restaurant, the menu should look like this:

1. Rice
2. Pasta
3. Salad
...

You don't know what you're going to get. You choose pasta, it could be spaghetti bolognese or it could be carbonara. Your life quality will dramatically improve, I guarantee it.

>>10827577
I don't think so, that would be terrible actually. I don't think I would ever want to go there with such a vague menu.

All I want from mainstream music is a repeat of the trance boom in the 90s where things were actually really good.

But that will never happen.

>>10827595
That's the point. You don't want to go there. You would want to go there if you went there, but you wouldn't have wanted to have gone there previously.

In fact, in my ideal world, you probably selected "Italian restaurant" (not a specific one) on your computer (nondescript brand) and a vehicle (you don't get to choose) took you there. And I can guarantee you that you had a way better time than if you just went to Applebee's with your friends.

>>10827598
;_;

A bit of Dubstep is fine, the problem is when 70% of the albums released in an event are dubstep.

And it's a shame seeing circles dismiss their original styles for pandering dubstep enthusiasts.

>>10827468
Good post.
By the way
I really like Liquid Drum n Bass, please recommend me some more!

Lately I have been listening to feint and zyblot a lot.

>>10827629
You have a strange philosophy but I find it somehow fascinating.

>>10827633
Get the A State of Trance Classics albums. All the great songs you'll know in their original mix forms.

>>10827651
>70% of the albums released in an event are dubstep
lol

>>10819702
Please, you are overworking yourself.

>>10827731
It was a manner of speaking. Dubstep albums are increasing in number of releases each comiket.

Agreed. And it's not even dubstep. It's that grating, overdone, ADHD Skrillex/Knife Party bullshit. Fuck, it's everywhere. I can't stand it.

Pretty soon, they're going to move onto trap music. I'm already hearing some of it (though not on Touhou albums).

>>10827769
Trap music can be ok sometimes, it's much better live because unless you have one monster of a sound system at home you aren't gonna be able to feel it well. I've been to a show that played trap, that mainstream dubstep, and before the show there was someone playing some original shit. That mainstream dubstep (for lack of a better name) and trap is lots of fun live but at home not so much yet I do love a lot of stuff by Excision.

>>10827769
https://soundcloud.com/aran_07/cl4p-tp-clap-your-trap

its this what you're talking about, right?
it sounds so bad and out of place in this song

what genre is chris clark?

Ｔ　Ｏ　Ｕ　Ｈ　Ｏ　Ｕ　　Ｖ　Ａ　Ｐ　Ｏ　Ｒ　Ｗ　Ａ　Ｖ　Ｅ　　Ｗ　Ｈ　Ｅ　Ｎ　？

>>10827802
Well I like that hard and fast style of trap (what do you even call it anyways exactly, there isn't much of it out there) but that song is just terrible.

>>10827826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTPBA7sxuwA

you're thinking juke/footwork?

yes, im big fan too

>>10827795
I don't hate trap at all, though I think it is often lazy and generic. I don't hate dubstep, but I do hate that awful house/dubstep blend mentioned earlier. I love bass music, but there needs to be something more than just "sick bass".

>>10827802
That's exactly the kind of shit I hate. There's no art, only artifice. It's like a cheap gimmick. What's embarrassing is that the bass is weak as hell.

>>10827795
>I've been to a show

Why?

>>10827826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTPBA7sxuwA

you're thinking juke/footwork?
yes, im big fan too

https://soundcloud.com/djshimamura/dj-shimamura-shaftholic

im noticing some juke/footwork at the very end of this shimamura song too

>>10827822
I could make some if you wanted it

>>10827841
Because it's fun and a great way to experience music like you never have before. You have never felt bass music unless you felt on it on a huge sound system.

>>10827844
Oh boy let's invent some more genres

>>10827859
That many people would be too much for me. Probably a bunch of teenagers fucking each other too.

>>10827858
Ｏ　Ｋ ！

>>10827844
I don't think that's it exactly, probably a very new sub genre of trap. Sort of reminds me of like some kind of very minimal hardstyle.

>>10827822
Vaporwave is about as gimmicky as it comes. Just make your own if you want it.

-Take touhou music
-Slow down/pitch shift
-Glitch plugin

>>10827861
Juke has been around for a while, man.

>>10827861
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYyQ51De4U

juke is actually a very original and unique genre though

>>10827861
Glo-fi, Chillwave, Dreamwave, Witch House, Zombie Rave, Rapegaze, Shitgaze, Seapunk, Fruitpunk, Dream Funk, Death Funk

>>10827861
"stop knowing more than me about music!"

>>10827861
Glo-fi, Chillwave, Dreamwave, Witch House, Zombie Rave, Rapegaze, Shitgaze, Seapunk, Fruitpunk, Dream Funk, Death Funk, Eccojams, Vaporwave, Mallsoft

>>10827885

>>10827879
its also very shit

>>10827893
:<

>>10827888
uptempo doom jazzfunk

dox on this twink?
https://soundcloud.com/1gooey

>>10827879

Dirty South hip-hop instrumentals? That's not unique or original.

>>10827875
I know that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXa084DmMD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JyEHIBKoME

>>10827904
juke is from chicago

>>10827881
Beat blast, juke boxxer, Swag rave, Neon Trance, National Socialist Techno, Lucid House, Jizzgaze

>>10827910
Why not just listen to original?

>>10827864
ｈｅｒｅ ｙｏｕ ｇｏ

ｗｗ

https://soundcloud.com/ryonaplus/wave

>>10827888
Dreamwave in the Witch-House

>>10827912

It doesn't matter where it's from. It's still not unique or original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E

>>10827888
LOLICORE

>>10827934
Not pretentious enough.

look at all these /a/ fucking shits... their like ants

>>10827934
Ｓ　Ｉ　Ｃ　Ｋ

>>10827934
The whole thing is built on taking the "juicy" bits and looping them then slowing them down for a weird deep sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE8ApOeeu3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJGrIyt-X8
they make money from doing that

>>10827966
>they make money
Really?

the gist of this thread seems to be that electronic music is dumb

>>10827986

Electronic music currently is dumb, shit and fucking awful and makes me angry.

It's still my favorite type of music though, I always come crawling back - not necessarily to the shit stuff though.

>>10827965
It's funny because these are all people from your board who just don't give a fuck unlike complaining babies much like yourself.

I like electronic but don't know shit about all these genres... feel like such a philestine right now.

>>10827983
Yeah. They charge money to slow down other people's songs. What's funny is that there are people who seriously believe it's some profound satirization of capitalist culture.

>>10827983
Yes, from cassettes and their bandcamps

>>10828007

Don't even bother, they're not worth it. If you get caught up in the genre trap you'll only restrict yourself. People that come out with all these different genres are just idiots who think they're acting clever, nobody takes them seriously.

>>10828008
Oh. They do all those as commission? I thought it was just a few guys fucking around on their own time.

>>10828026
No, no. Not on commission. My bad for phrasing it that way. They basically fuck up a bunch of old music and then sell it online.

I think out of all the gimmicky microgenres out there, vaporwave has the most interesting aesthetic. That said, I wouldn't pay for it.

Which album? I unironically like Touhou dubstep.

>>10828021
Actually knowing as much as I do about all these genres makes me less restricted as I know exactly what I'm looking for at any time and can just listen to exactly what I want whenever I want but keep pretending it doesn't so you can feel better about not knowing anything.

>>10828053
I would like to know as well.

>>10828007
You can't be a philistine when it comes to EDM. Just listen to what you like and try to find out the genres. You can usually tell based on the BPM and rhythm.

>>10828054
>exactly what I'm looking for

That's a kind of restriction already.

>I'm in the mood for downtempo ambient glitch-hop-core

You're already restricting yourself to that single genre. Your brain will accept nothing but that.

>>10828068
There's plenty of variation within a genre. The problem is overcategorizing to the point of meaninglessness. Say I want to listen to house instead of breakbeat. I'm not doing myself a disservice by seeking what I want to listen to. Not all artists sound the same (brostep notwithstanding).

>>10828068
That's also a pointless argument also because no genre is that complex you idiot and I'd much rather listen to what I like then a bunch of random shit of what I don't. After all I know much more genre's than you anyways if you're even trying to make argue this to me so it's no way restricting at all.

>>10828083

>>10828007 here. I at least know that much. Like I can tell Hardcore from House but don't know about this Psychill stuff

>>10828085
Stop trying to impress everyone with the number of dance music genres you know.

>>10828105
Don't you know? The more genres you can name, the more you enjoy music.

>>10828083
>There's plenty of variation within a genre

No there isn't, at least not in the sub-subgenres of electronic music.

Most of it is essentially key variables randomized and sounds changed slightly.

Look at Trance currently, there's absolutely no variation in that at all. Same supersaw leads everywhere - the ones we've seen for over 10 years. Same offbeat sidechained basslin. Same generic female vocals with meaningless lyrics. It's absolutely awful.

>>10828091

Psychill is nonsense. If you were to make Psychill in the 90s it would have just been 'Ambient with a slightly psychedelic flavor' (If that). It wasn't a genre, it was just seen as having your own unique style or a track having it's own unique sound.

Even people who are into psytrance aren't impressed. A lot of these 'new genres' aren't new at all, they're just labels for previous creative endeavors but because nobody can make anything original they want to package it as a genre to make it sound more important than it is.

>>10828110
psychill is dank bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pw4UCk7YAk

>>10828091
Basics are all you need to know. Most of the subgenres flying around either don't actually exist, or fail to properly fulfill the function of a genre. The point is to be able to find what you're looking for. Something like "chill-step darkwave" is just pretentious bullshit.

>>10828110
>No there isn't, at least not in the sub-subgenres of electronic music.
I'm saying most sub-subgenres aren't necessary. I agree with what you say about trance, but not all genres are that way. Just look at hip-hop. There are tons of different styles and sounds even if they follow the same basic conventions. And besides, if someone wants to listen to trance, let them listen to trance--if that's what they want then the label has helped them.

>>10828135

Trance has become homogenized as a result of too much labelling though.

That's why labels are a bad thing.

Want to make 132bpm trance? Too bad, you can't - it's progressive now. Want to make trance with a vocal? That's vocal trance. How about trance WITHOUT supersaws? That's not even Trance! Big breakdown? You're making Epic Trance.

>>10828160
Trance is trance, just like house is house. There are shit tons of subgenres, sure, but you don't have to use them. If anything, the existence of subgenres implies variation because they seek to make more accurate categorizations.

I think trance sounds horribly homogenous, but I don't think subgenres are responsible. The problem is ease of production. The problems you see in trance you will see in almost all EDM. Truth is, most people are creatively bankrupt. The internet makes this more apparent than ever.

>>10828196
>Truth is, most people are creatively bankrupt.

Yes. This I can agree on.

who quot?

What a pretentiously shitty thread.

thread is fubar, janny please delete it

>>10828245
>>10828246
Samefagging on /jp/ is moronic. The board is slow so everyone can tell when you do it.

>>10828265
Whatever you say

You're stupid

>>10828299
Go ahead and keep choking on our dicks, you assmad faggot.

You're stupid.

>>10827375
Please use the quote function.

Okay so I just got done watching Wreck It Ralph and there was not only a dubstep song in that movie, but Skrillex himself was in it briefly.

You turbo dweebs need to get a grip on life and realise the harm your shitty taste in music is doing to the world.

>doujin music
get some actual taste in music

ITT: People who don't know what classifies dubstep nor know anything about electronic music genres

Also known as plebs

>>10829346
says the retard posting (most likely?) /mu/ images

>>10829340
back to >>>/mu/ little one

>>10829348
takes one to know one!

>>10829346

/mu/ is for indie pottery nerds and pretentious cumstains, so no.

>>10829340
>electronic music genres

Electronic music is shit. Americans and Australians have ruined it by just slurping up the worst shit created and then giving it a unique name so they can feel elevated above everyone else.

Keep enjoying your shit music and stay culture-free.

>i don't like x music because reasons
>>>/mu/
fuk ov m8

>>10829360
Most music is electronic nowadays. What the fuck do you listen to?

>>10829364
>ass devestated edm fan detected

lol

>>10829360
>Keep enjoying your shit music and stay culture-free.
What if he does just that? What if he just goes ahead enjoys the music?

>>10829367
Okay then don't answer my question.

>>10829360

Please describe what musical genres are considered "cultured" and "not shit". I listen to pretty much everything so I would love to know what has so much more merit.

>>10829368

Then "he" (you) will continue to live a shallow meaningless life enjoying shit music and other shit forms of entertainment. "He" (you) will never truly understand the finer concepts of life and will forever think that anime is the highest form of art and whichever flavour of the month electronic sub genre is the pinnacle of quality music.

>>10829364
Pagan-folk and Gregorian chants

>>10829367

"wahhhhhh all my friends listen to le EDM muzic now. it does have Muh Real Instruments and is popular ;(((( jeff magnumn fuk my ass"

>>10829375
>all my friends

Ya blew it. Time to go back to your home board now, please.

>>10829372
Not everyone here is as insecure as you to change their opinion just because a teenager might label them on the internet. Looks like you'v got some growing up to do. I'll leave you to it.

>>10829358
>pretentious cumstains
holy

SHIT

IT'S A /Q/UEER

GET THE FUCKIN /Q/UEEEER

>>10829383
that image is scary

>>10829377

I was clearly reenacting what this /mu/ faggot says to all his indie friends at pottery class

>>10829360
>Electronic music is shit. Americans and Australians have ruined it
>>10829364
>Most music is electronic

http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1367490432639.png

>>10829391
check out this epic reaction image
it has about as much content as your post

>>10829391

>>10829394

>>10829406
Why would anyone discuss music on /mu/?

>>10829408

>>10829413
I see. Thanks for the blog update by the way.

>>10829413
I see. Thanks for the blog update by the way.

>>10829408
trying to discuss music on /mu/ is like trying to discuss video games on /v/
completely pointless

>>10829413

>No turntables or CDJs
>No mixer
>No laptop running ableton
>No novation launchpad

maximum pleb detected

>>10829419
>>10829421
You sir, win the internets.

I just want to shave all the hair off my body and pretend to be a pretty girl. I want long beautiful hair and to put on makeup and pretty dresses. I want a qt 3.14 transsexual with a big cock to come rip off my girly clothes and fuck my and cum inside my tight hold while I shoot my hot load all over myself.

>>10829421
pleb

Jojo's proves even dubstep can be good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFPgKeYVJgk

HU FUCKING ZAH LIKE IT MATTERS

>>10828053
>>10828058
they don't know
op just wanted to make a thread with some buzzwords

>>10829421
You're the one who's the pleb here.

>>10829421
>laptop
>ableton
>novation launchpad
you don't need this to dj, casual.

>>10827651
>>10827745
>70%
>dubstep albums
>dismiss their original styles
just stop
there is no such thing as a touhou dubstep album; not from circles that release at comiket, anyway.

c83 東方albums with three dubstep tracks: 2
c83 東方albums with two dubstep tracks: 1
c83 東方albums with one dubstep track: 5
c83 東方albums with ~30 seconds of dubstep: 3
c83 東方 shitty metal albums: over a bajillion

that's with a very broad definition of dubstep. i think the only one that hasn't been uploaded is Progressive Starbow 2.

>tfw all the touhou drum and bass songs are all shit

>>10830689
>not listening to LAZ
shiggy

>>10830568

>Using a laptop to DJ

Do you even know how to beatmatch?

>>10830744
you didn't read my post, faggot

i know how to beatmatch songs without any programs.

>>10830680
you are just ignoring the influence of dubstep on 2hu albums, it's everywhere. it's disgusting.

>>10830774

What software do you use for listening to the track before you play it?

>>10830780
nice evidence

>"oh cool a new touhou doujin album is out!"
>vocals
>vocals everywhere

why?

>>10830781
my ears? i don't need a bpm analyzing program to mix.

>>10826898
>We
>implying

>>10830784
>nice evidence
this is my evidence, i download and listen most albums the influence of dubstep is there. i'm not done with C83, i have many more albums to listen.

Album of the century

>>10830860
lol wow nice photoshop nerd.
everyone here is the original pic i hacked from this nerds computer

>>10830917
Please don't bully.

>>10830917
>dropbox
>gay porn
I like u m8 :^)

>>10830917
>lol wow nice photoshop nerd.
what photoshop, you imbecile? go shitpost somewhere else.

>>10830992
lol stfu u fucking nerd i would fukckin destroyu in real life. all i see in that picture is modificated pixels u fuckin faggot. y dont u post the poperities of each file in each folder u fuking faggot if its real
lol u cant can u cuz its fukin faked fukin nerd smh

>>10830992
>foreverially permanently trolled and loving it

>>10830860
>the influence of dubstep is there
you guys crack me up with these hollow phrases
the influence of every kind of music is probably there, buddy

>>10830680

I just ran a few numbers on every touhou album from c83 and got some slightly different numbers. I guess "over a bajillion" is just you trying to make a point. Anyway, this is what I found

C83 2hu albums with dubstep* featuring somewhere in at least one song: 100%

*Dubstep meaning any music that sounds like some shitty Skrillex song. No distinction is made between "brostep", "dubstep" or any other variation as it all sounds the same and is all objectively shit.

>>10831010
>>10831012
>>10831028
>i'm so funeeh that i have to le samefag XD xD

>>10831048
i wasn't even quoting the same post as those other two guys
how steamed are you?

>>10831041
I don't know the slightest thing about dubstep or music in general, even, but there were definitely wubs all over the place. Is that all it takes?

>>10831041
oh we're back to my original thesis

Dubstep (do͞ob-STEHP) [noun]
1. music that i don't like

>>10831028
>you guys crack me up with these hollow phrases
this is really cute because of your equally hollow phrase:

>"the influence of every kind of music is probably there, buddy"
-anon, professional shitposter anno domini MMXIII

>>10831081

>>10831041
>No distinction is made between "brostep", "dubstep" or any other variation as it all sounds the same and is all objectively shit.
I agree

>>10831075
>>10831073


Just because people breakdown dubstep into a million sub genres doesn't change the fact that it's still shit and it's still dubstep.

We've had this argument running throughout the thread and it doesn't change anything. People only give it a different name in a pathetic attempt to dodge criticism. Sorry guys, dubstep is objectively bad.

>>10831081
boy did you miss the point

>>10831089
What you said has nothing at all to do with what I asked.

>>10831089
>who am you quote

>>10831100

I don't even know what I'm responding to anymore.

If you mean "I don't know the slightest thing .." then yeah that is all it takes. Just as I don't need to understand how a video game or a movie is made to know if it is objectively shit, I don't need to know anything about music to know it's bad.

>>10831085
>>10831093
>please notice my shitposting

>i don't like this
>must be dubstep

>>10831110
What I asked was if the presence of "wub wub wub" in a track automatically means dubstep. What I got was some nonsensical raving about how you hate certain kinds of music.

>I don't even know what I'm responding to anymore.
That much was clear from the start.

>>10831126
the actual answer is no
google it

>>10831126

Maybe you should calm down instead of getting mad about me not liking some shit genre of music lol

Your wording wasn't very clear, as your attempt at coming across as witty and intelligent just fell flat. It looked more like some attempt at sarcasm or something

Like I said, maybe just, stop being so mad and try to type in coherent sentences instead of playing at being a keyboard warrior :)

>>10829385
I don't understand that image. People on /a/ genuinely are worthless beings.

>>10831144
>wubs all over the place. Is that all it takes?
>witty and intelligent
dude what the fuck are you even talking about?

>>10831144
All I did was ask a simple question. In none of my posts did I attempt to sound witty, nor did I express anger or sarcasm. I did express confusion at the fact that I could not see any logical connection between your replies and my posts, is all.

easy modo for a dubstep song
make shitty song with a slow and simple drum pattern on ableton or whatever you like
add shitty distorted bass and random loud sounds, the more "wubs" the better
yeah lets kill the melody who cares
start with a slow bpm then make it faster
add faggot lyrics or not, your choice

voila generic dubstep song 342309290-32490

dubstep is garbage.

>>10831171

I can't handle your ass pain anymore. You win. You have successfully defended dubstep.

You may kick back and enjoy some snacks and soda while listening to the latest Skrillex knowing that just for one more day dubstep is safe from any form of criticism. Nobody will thank you for it other than your own smug inner voice but keep working at it man!!!

>>10831206
>ass pain

>>10831201
easy modo for a song
make shitty song
voila

why are all the /b/ and /v/ kids here thinking brostep = dubstep?

>>10831234

why are all the /mu/ kids here trying to claim that being a sub genre suddenly transform it into something completely unrelated?

>>10831252
>subgenre
lol

>>10831252
did you know that dubstep existed way before the americans came and soiled it with their brostep

>>10831206
I must be a mighty internet warrior indeed if I can win a war of words just by acting confused. I guess I'm the champion of dubstep now.

>>10831206
>fagstep is safe from any form of criticism
yeah let's go inside a bubble, with criticism gone, everything will be fine.