/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10824037

Live action Miu-chan?

One year of self study and I could read ero doujin perfectly.
Now fuck off to >>>/lang/

>>10824044

I took you 1 year to learn how to read "Haa~ Haa~"?

Wow, just how retarded are you?

>>10824052
I was thinking the same. But there might be some very deep stuff involved. Like "pureness of heart" etc

I spent like 6 hours learning the kana and then quit

That was a year ago

I wonder, how far would I be if I put in 6 hours every day of the last year

quitter
cool girl OP

I'm a quitter with JLPT N3.

Wanted to learn Japanese.

Ended up learning Mandarin.

>>10824083
Why?

>>10824083
Funny. I always wanted to learn mandarin as kid. Discovered that I could learn Japanese much easier.
Now I help one nerd to learn Japanese meanwhile he teaches me some Mandarin. It's like symbiosis.

>>10824080

>JLPT N3.

What are these things? I always see people say N1, N2, N3, etc. What are these things?

Been studying for 4 years. Passed JLPT1 2 years ago. Been on a graduate course for natives in Japan for the last 6 months. I hope I can achieve native level within the next 4 years.

I was reading Tae Kim's grammar guide the other day. I intend to start soon. Just stalling.

Why is /jp/ so dead?

>>10824113
Google is your friend

fluent in a year to the point i can watch anime that isn't set in weird contexts like aliens or gods

i don't have any accurate measure of my intelligence but my work ethic is awful and my kanji is shit

>>10824177
Because it has an overly narrow range of topics.

Is it me or google translate became a lot shittier recently?

>>10824037
This question is stupid. It's not as if you just wake up some day and tell yourself "Okay, now I've learned japanese"
You'll be able to understand more the longer you learn, but even this guy >>10824068 has "learned Japanese"

>>10824068
Are you even Otaku™?

Another 150 hours+ invested in grammar and VNs/LNs. Around a year has passed since.

>>10824451

That's not much.

>>10824474
That's how long it takes when you're constantly stalling and wasting too much time on kanji.

>>10824474
You forgot the part where it's 481 hours of constant studying. It's not the same as your playtime on WoW.

Getting to VN reading level takes around that amount of time.

>>10824484

You're really rude.

>>10824484
that seems about right

(no idea where it got the 376th day from)

>>10824494
1.45 anki hours a day
how? i can only push out 1.10 at most

I don't even want to remember how long it's been since I started, that would just depress me.

Tip for beginners: Don't spare even a second thinking about your overall progress or how long it will take you to "master" Japanese. Just focus on making at least a tiny bit of progress every single day, even if it's just 5 minutes. If you set goals to progress really fast, you'll most likely burn yourself out and then go weeks without studying, in the end getting much less done if you had just gone slow and steady. Not to mention, rushing through material will just force you to spend more time on it later, especially when it comes to the basics.

>>10824494
Fully possible. I used to do 5-10 hour sessions for the first 2-3 months when I was really motivated.

Did like 5 hours Anki and 5 hours grammar/writing.

>>10824517
Meant to quote >>10824512

>>10824517
>>10824494
>>10824451
That's a screenshot of what exactly?

>>10824512
I usually use Ankidroid whenever I have a spare minute, and then just finish up the rest for the day in the evening

I've got huge problems with understanding spoken Japanese. Without kanji all the kango sound like random assortments of the same few syllables. How is one supposed to remember and recognize that shit.

>>10824532
The stats-view of Anki

>>10824538
By a lot of listening practice and getting used to vocab and their readings in general.

Slow and stupid. I just need to learn kanji and vocab but I've put it off for months.

>>10824538
I get this.

>>10824516
Besides Anki what do you guys recommend for learning japanese

>>10824538
anime with japanese subtitles, maybe combined with subs2srs

>>10824538
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

Getting from intermediate level to advanced is such a fucking hurdle.

Kind of like comparing the Kino no Tabi novels to the Bakemonogatari series.

Quitter.

I'm too stupid to learn anything.

I'm stuck on core2k step 7 for 2 months now. I'm learning like ~2 new words a day.

>>10824162
Wait, you passed JLPT1 two years ago and still not native level?

>>10824572
>such a fucking hurdle
so much fucking this
I'll never be able to go from shitty nukige to mid-tier otaku garbage

>>10824494
The pace really picks up and when one is done with Heisig and goes into grammar + vocab.

I went from 25-40 heisig cards/day to a whopping 100 vocab/grammar cards a day nowadays.

>>10824636
not >>10824162 but I still cant understand kansai/kobe worth a damn

>>10824538

First use a question mark in English when asking a question so you don't sound like a surly 12 year old who thinks it's the languages fault, not his own ignorance YOU STUPID FUCKING nigger

ノ　ソ　ゾ　ツ　ヅ

ン　シ　ジ

who though this was a good idea?

I've tried to learn off and on again. I'm the guy who ends up reading subtitles and never actually hearing what the people are saying.

Lately though I've started hearing the vocabulary and phrases in my shows, and it's got me really excited to stick with it so I can kick subs.

I stopped after hiragana, katakana are just so ugly.

>>10824676

>so I can kick subs.

You're a fucking addict. You make me sick.

lel

>>10824688
Don't judge me man!
You don't know my life!

>>10824683
サユ　テャツ　マイ　ファス　アンヅ　ノツ　オンリネ　アンデ　せエー　ウァ手　ハプン

watashi no speak nipponese desu

>>10824669
O 0
I l 1
rn nn m
w vv

FUCKING LATINS.

WHO CAME UP WITH THIS SHIT?

>>10824711
>combining arabic and latin characters, blame latin
quality post.

ore wa no iu nihingo dess

>>10824692

>Memorize the kanji

Why doesn't she just learn vocab and grammar?

>>10824764
because she won't be able to read you fucking idiot

>>10824773

Memorizing individual kanji doesn't help you read though. Memorizing things like stroke order and the meanings and pronunciations of individual kanji is a complete waste of time, it's better to just learn entire words and naturally pick up a knowledge of kanji through association.

>>10824786
i'm not even arguing this. the kid in the picture is japanese.

even so
>Memorizing things like stroke order and the meanings and pronunciations of individual kanji is a complete waste of time
learn by radical like everyone else has done forever.

>entire words
kind of like the words associated with kanji right

>naturally pick up a knowledge of kanji through association
which will be a miracle if you can't break it down into smaller more memorable pieces.

Kanji is a horrible, horrible system.

Why does the language of the country that makes the best eroge, cartoons and manga have to be so bad?

>>10824811
just because you're incapable doesn't make something bad.

el feelington when not japanese yet...

>>10824811
#rekt

>>10824817
Meh he got a point though. The Koreans changed their system to something easier and it works out fine.

picked it up faster then my peers.
>be only able to read/write both Hiragana/Katakana out of class of 6
feels good

>>10824821
I wish Korea would use 漢字 again. They didn’t have to go full hangeul, I like the Japanese system with Chinese characters and syllaberies. Works well.

>>10824823
only one not only.
Words and grammer aren't that hard for me altough I sometimes forget particles（のはを,etc.)

>>10824825
Children still learn them over there don't they?

>>10824797

>learn by radical

The association between radicals and the characters that they form is mostly arbitrary though. If you've memorized all of the radicals then that doesn't mean that you will be able to look at a character, isolate all of the radicals, and then accurately guess at the meaning.

It's easier to just make up your own system of remembering the appearance of kanji by thinking up unique mnemonics that make sense for you.

I've never understood why people have seem to have so much trouble retaining kanji. Most of them look unique enough that it's hard to mix them up.

>>10824825
does 朝鮮語 use spaces or not?

>>10824825
>>10824817
It has nothing to do with capability. I'm fluent in Japanese.

Japan has historically been the worst in all important catagories - artistically, linguistically, and culturally. Ancient Japanese artists were stuck in the era of cave-wall scratchings while Western artists were pumping out classic masterpieces left and right. They adopted the worst alphabetical system in the world because they were too stupid to invent spacings. They sent hundreds of thousands to their death in a war they could not win for the sake of 'honor,' (by bombing America unprovoked,) disregarded warnings to evacuate their cities before the nuclear bombings, and had the gall to play the victim.

Japan is historically the worst country on the planet. It just happens to make good media.

>>10824846
they do

>>10824848
>Japan is historically the worst country on the planet. It just happens to make good media.
this. And the girls are nice.

>>10824843
>accurately guess at the meaning.
that was never anyone's intention ever. radicals more closely resemble letters than anything.

yuu dont spel inglish foanetically eethr.

>>10824848

>by bombing America unprovoked

The U.S put an embargo on Japan and attempted to completely cut off their access to valuable resources that they needed. It was hardly unprovoked.

>>10824848
>I'm fluent in Japanese

>>10824851
then I don't really see a point in resurecting Chinese characthers in Korean. It makes sense in nip because they don't use spaces but it kinda gets defeats the purpose due to sheer amount of Kanji.

>>10824866

We use our words. And if we hit instead, we shouldn't be surprised when we're hit back.

>>10824867
An embargo is not military action, but it isn't just words either.

>>10824840
Yes, kids still have to grind them in school but then almost never use it
The North doesn’t use them at all.

>>10824848
Get rekt nerd

>>10824874

Great job responding with some cop-out shit because you have no argument.

>>10824882

"joy upon inner discharge"

>>10824848
>I'm fluent in Japanese

Translate this for me.

>>10824860

So what's the point of learning by radicals then? They don't help you pronounce anything, they don't help with the meaning, and at best they're just really abstract memorization tools for people who can't look at Japanese without seeing a bunch of identical scribbles.

>>10824878
everyone's tired of your style man. the /pol/d war is over. maybe you should go back there.

>>10824887
I'm just making sure we don't have someone that claims a bunch of stuff, but in reality it's proper bullshit.

>>10824882
not him but i looked up the verb because that's the only time i've seen a small tsu between kanji like that.

>>10824882
小父ギャグ at its best. I always find myself laughing to these kinds of things because of how bad they are.

>>10824848

Japanese art was two dimensional, but it was still equally beautiful. For example, their ability to create colorful and highly stylized images is still better than any similar works that western artists have produced.

The classical masterpieces of western renaissance artists are great, but they're entirely focused on realism and there's no evidence that they were capable of creating simplified and stylized art that was still elegant and beautiful. Being able to perfectly paint life-like images shows a lot of technical artistic ability, but it doesn't require any imagination and in today's world it makes you nothing more than a human camera that takes months to create one picture.

>>10824888
Dumb test, everyone can just look up the Kanji and translate it with rikaichan.

>>10824916
There's a pun behind it. And he probably already abandonded ship.

I've reached the level that I can get hands free orgasms from ero voice. I am very happy with my progress.

>>10824920
So? You must be a fucking retard to not understand the pun even if your japanese sucks.

>>10824934
He probably is. Just shows how much experience the people that whine about the writing system have.

I don't know what you're getting all steamed up about. Calm down.

>>10824926
is that even what you're supposed to do with them?

>>10824950
Yes. There are lots of hypnosis files meant for that.

>>10824954
huh.

is hands free better than hands or not? does it clear your head or anything?

actually i don't use hypnosis themed files usually my isabella valentine phase was like 3 years ago

>>10824911

Show me a piece of ancient Japanese art that outshines any Western masterpiece. You can even pick it.

>>10824971
how is it you're measuring how art is better anyway? got one of those new fangled 'art-o-meters' that you point at the painting and it measures onjectively how 'good' it is?

>>10824967
I never got such feelings from Isabella or other western hypnosis files. I actually feel the tingles and shivers when they say I should feel them. The Japanese ones are so much better quality and many times come with the script so you can study it before and pick up words you don't understand. I've become really badly addicted.

>>10824981

Show me a piece of Japanese art you think is better than ANY Western masterpiece. You personally.

>>10824967
I think it feels better and it's longer, especially if the hypnosis is made so that it keeps you on the brink of cumming. I never got such feelings from Isabella or other western hypnosis files. I actually feel the tingles and shivers when they say I should feel them. The Japanese ones are so much better quality and many times come with the script so you can study it before and pick up words you don't understand. I've become really badly addicted.

the truth is i don't know anything about art no value paintings as being anything other than decorative.

>>10824987
god damn let me try again.

the truth is i don't know anything about art nore value paintings as being anything other than decorative. what is it that makes your masterpiece a masterpiece? does one davinchi accurately portray the general artistic ability of his era?

you'll find the kind of people who paint masterpieces don't have nationality and aren't produced by society, they just come and go. obviously japan didn't have someone like davinchi or lacked the means for such a person to express themselves.

>>10825033

>obviously japan didn't have someone like davinchi or lacked the means for such a person to express themselves.

...Yep. Thus, shit country artistically.

>>10825043
here i am trying to explain what a savant is to you and here you are still being a prissy faggot.

>>10825043
>...Yep. Thus, shit country artistically.
this. And if they weren't mindly retarted and were able to produce more than 5 syllables we wouldn't have to deal with kanji.

>>10825058

If a country produces no 'savants', it's the country's fault. By the way, you are an idiot avoiding responsibility if you believe in things like savantism or genetic talent. Talent is practice. Champions practice 14 hours per day and that's why they're champions, not because of any built-in 'champion' gene.

Been learning for 2 days.
Only understand basic conversation (intro, greetings, manners, etc) with a little hiragana and katakana knowledge. So far, I only learn from japanesepod101.
>no kanji at all

>>10824987

>Show me a piece of ancient Japanese art that outshines any Western masterpiece. You can even pick it.

Ancient Japanese sculptures were very talented and I far prefer this to something like Michelangelo's David.

>>10825061
>Wah, they're so many of them. Why didn't japan ever invent a fully phonetic system of writing like the koreans. Wah. Wah.
-u

>>10825073

Look at his fucking face.

Are you JOKING?

>>10825074

Hurling insults is the lowest form of argument.

I'm a rather slow learner but I'm fine with it because I'm probably not going to die any time soon. I've been learning for approximately a year and I'm close to finishing N3 vocabulary wise. I can read games, manga, visual novels and some light novels as well so the learning is pretty fun at this point.

>>10825066
why am i arguing with someone in the defense of medieval japanese art compared to the rest of the world?

maybe that's something worth talking about.

>>10824538
Hell I have this problem in English whenever someone has a slight accent and I am a native English speaker.

>>10825079
Maybe you should stop being so goddamn retard.

>>10825082

>>10825075
Try to create a statue like that.
I dare you.
Protip: You can't.

>>10825074
>Wah wah stop insulting the stupid characters that I wasted thousands of hours on

>>10825093

Movie critics aren't required to be able to outdo Avatar: The Last Airbender (the live-action movie) to know it's not as good as Inception. Olympic judges aren't required to go and do the hurdles themselves before they can give a hurdler less than 10.

>>10825093
>Try to create a statue like that.
Best argument ever. Believe it or not I'm no fucking sculpter.

>>10825094
How are those sour grapes?

Why are so many people butt hurt about what others do with their time?

They sound like authoritarian normalfag tyrants.

>>10825106
>authoritarian normalfag tyrants
stop playing autistic it's getting old

>>10825100
You need to at least be knowledgeable in those fields before you can accurately judge them. You can't just say "the face is ugly" and say the entire sculpture is unbiasedly bad. Learn some common sense.

>>10825111
I do what I want, you fucking dictator.

>>10825111

i play your mom's ass like a fiddle

>>10825075

The sculptor wasn't going for realism. There are still plenty of aspects of that sculpture that show the talent of the artist that created it though, look at the details on the armor, the face on the belt, etc.

Michelangelo's David is very realistic, but it's also very bland. It's really nothing more than a muscular naked man. Japanese art is very stylized though, when I look at that sculpture I get to see this interesting and unique figure that doesn't look like anything you would ever see in real life, but if I look at Michelangelo's David then all I'm seeing is a statue of what I would see if I paid some muscular guy a few hundred dollars to take off his clothes and pose.

Classical western art is so obsessed with perfectly replicating reality that they throw out their imagination completely and just create dull but very technically impressive works of art.

>>10824825
Just because Japanese is relatively successful in using Chinese characters doesn't mean that other languages would work out just as well.

The problem with Korean is, unlike Japanese or Chinese, there was no effort to simplify the characters, which means that for common, everyday words, you'd have to write a whole load of strokes.

Similarly, Vietnamese doesn't use Chinese characters anymore. In their case, it had to do with poverty and literacy. Back in the old days, maybe 2% of people could actually read and write. After Vietnam started to use the Latin alphabet, more than 90% of Vietnamese can now read.

>>10825115

I didn't say it's bad, compared to complete neutral, I said it's worse than Western counterparts. Remember what we're arguing about?

Do you have any clue how hard it is to sculpt flowing cloth like this? You have to be a masochist to even try it.

>>10825127

>It's really nothing more than a muscular naked man

I stopped reading here. I don't need to know any more of your opinions.

>>10824987
the game itself is a masterpiece on that day.
Compared to any games from EU or US, this game was a closest thing to God on that day.

Why do people review so many cards?

>>10825131
Wow. Look at that robe. There are literally 0 details. It looks the sculptor barely even mad a mark on the marble. You expect me to believe European art was any good with this kind of bland, generic hunk of rock?

>>10825130
I feel it would highlight the origin and underlying meaning of a lot of sino-korean words and compounds better... Some Korean sounds are more ambiguous because they lack tones where Chinese has them. You can’t distinguish 한 from 한, but you can distuingish 韓 from 漢, is my view.

>>10825145

I'm not going to talk to you any more if you're just going to do 'trolling.'

>>10825134

What about this doesn't fit the description of a muscular naked man?

Find a muscular man with curly hair and a small penis, get him hold a sheet and stare off into the distance, and there's little difference.

>>10825130
if anyone is curious as to what Korean written in mixed Hanja-Hangul looks like, there's the Hanja Wiki:

http://kore.wikia.com/wiki/대문
http://kore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Random
http://kore.wikia.com/wiki/韓國

What kind of queer judges a country on faggy art?

>>10825153

People with the intelligence to not use sexuality as an insult.

>>10825157
Awww is babby upset that no one cares about art that doesn't do anything for anyone. Seriously art doesn't contribute to society, it's a neat hobby if you have a stick up your ass but that's it.

>>10825152
Oh no! You got me! I have a different opinion than you; it must be trolling!

>>10825158

You can oversimplify anything like this to fit your argument. Your sculpture was just a grimacing samurai. You're just a collection of atoms arranged in a certain way. Wow, everything so simple and worthless!

>>10825159
oops, that last link should have been

http://kore.wikia.com/wiki/大韓民國

>>10825153
So whats good about japan then? They developed no technology their culture was based on faggotery and they didn't even learn to write themselves.

>>10825159
I think it looks good. Hangeul was originially developed to be used in the same manner as kana, that is it was intended to be used in the same sentence as Chinese characters.

>>10825177
>America is the greatest country on earth
try harder please

>>10825161

If you really mean what you said, sorry, but you are just not qualified to be criticizing art. Even people without any sculpting experience can recognize the raw talent involved in carving cloth like that.

>>10825170
Who cares about Japan, America is the greatest country on earth and we don't have any famous sculptors or artists.

>kono whole thread

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>>10825180
after they were westernized

Is it not that far-fetched for someone who has studied Japanese to be able to kinda read Korean written in Hanja?

You can kinda guess what they're talking about, from reading the Kanji.

>>10825170
>They developed no technology
I am laughing my ass off right now.
You know that Japan is one of the leading countries in robotics, right?

>>10825176
Yeah but, who cares? How many jobs does that create and how many mouths does it feed?

>>10825170
>So whats good about japan then?
kakkoi anime, manga visual novels, and video games.

cute girls

>>10825178

But America is the most prosperous country on the face of the planet right now. Economically, scientifically, in militant terms - etc.

>>10825153
How else do you judge how good a country is?
Nothing else matters. Only art and culture is left as heritage.

>>10825180
lol dude japan is still living in the 80s
they still use fax

>>10825184
I laugh

>>10825185
Look how far art and heritage got the greeks.

>>10825182

Don't change the subject. We are talking about whether ancient Western or Japanese art is better. You obviously went into the discussion thinking art is indicative of a nation's quality, but now that you've seen Japanese art was relatively bad, you've changed your mind.

>>10825186
oh how I've missed seeing that copypasta.

haven't been actively looking for flanfly threads anymore, are they still being made everyday?

>>10825179
Not quite the same, but I’ve seen some humorous Japanese written without kana to imitate Chinese, and the result can funny if you know a bit of both languages.

>>10825197

Yeah. But deleted by the new /q/ janitors.

>>10825191
Their ancient culture lives on in every aspect of the western world. I'd say they got pretty far. Finance, economy, military power and other material possessions all switch from one hand to another and eventually lose their value.

>>10825192
>but now that you've seen Japanese art was relatively bad
I never. Please explain to me your wrong opinion, and maybe I'll reconsider mine.

>>10825131

>how hard it is

This is the problem with a lot of art comparisons. It really doesn't matter how hard it is to make something, that's not the determining factor in whether or not the work of art is actually interesting or not.

For example, look at hyperrealistic art. This was done with acrylics and I have no doubt that it required a massive amount of time and talent to create such a realistic looking image, but it's identical to a generic stock image that someone could take in less than 30 seconds with a modern camera. There's nothing interesting or thought provoking about it.

Artists who focus on realism bring nothing new to the world with their art, they might as well just buy a camera. Photography has completely taken away any purpose that they had and now the mark of a good artist is someone who can create imaginative works of arts, the types of images that a camera can't produce.

>>10825232

>image that someone could take in less than 30 seconds with a modern camera

no

>>10825232
>but it's identical to a generic stock image that someone could take in less than 30 seconds with a modern camera. There's nothing interesting or thought provoking about it.
Wrong the way it is presented, the size everything around it is a part of the artwork itself. You just don't get it.

>>10825232

This post is just awful. Terrible.

Assuming that the ability to create photorealistic art is only useful for photorealism...

What's the point in arguing with people like this? They just have so much to learn that I'm not willing to teach.

/jp/ - Art experts

>>10825246
>>10825242
>>10825235
>my realistic art is objectively superior to any abstract art
Butt status:
[x] Tyrannosaurus Rekt

>>10825252

Why are you still embarrassing yourself?

>>10825235

1. Buy expensive camera.
2. Fill glass with water and place it on a white table with a black background behind it.
3. Drop in two orange slices after setting your camera to rapidly take a few hundred pictures of it.

You now have several hundred frame by frame and highly detailed photographs of orange slices dropping into a glass of water. It would take only a few seconds for those photos to be taken and it likely took that artists months to create that with acrylics, but at face value both images will have the same exact impression upon someone who is viewing them if they don't know the background of how it was created.

>>10825264

It's not lasting, but you can do it. I've done it.

>>10825260
How do you embarrass yourself on an anonymous image board?

>>10825263

You can do all that in 30 seconds? Are you the Flash?

>>10825271
If you already have the equipment, you could make tons of photos like that in 30 seconds each. Photography literally takes no effort.

>>10825277

im rageing epicly

epic trole

>>10825271

The photos would be taken in less than two seconds. If you're counting the time it would take to buy the camera, get it shipped to you, fill the glass with water, etc, then maybe four days.

The length of time where the art itself is actually being created would only take as long it would take for two orange slices to drop into some water, so less than two seconds. On the other hand, painting the same exact thing would take months of actively working on the art before it would ever look anything like what the camera produced.

/jp/- butthurt

>>10825282

No. You have to set up the reflectors, set up the flash, set up the glass, cut the orange, and do all kinds of other shit I don't know about because I'm not a photographer and neither are you.

>>10825291
How about you calm down before you hurt yourself.

I'm between N4- N5 level. Can I start reading easier LN's and VN's now?

>>10825317
You can try to, but personally I suggest you try reading some easy manga first. Like Yotsuba.

>>10825317
no.

>>10825291

Any moderately experienced photographer would be able to setup their equipment in a very short time. We're arguing about the difference between several seconds and a few minutes, the whole point is just that it takes far less time to take a high quality photo than it does to paint a hyperrealistic equivalent of that photo.

Look at macro photographers as an example. They take millions of highly detailed photos of very small animals or objects and sell them as stock photos. On the average day they can easily produce hundreds of these images while it would take months for a painter to even make one.

This is one of the main reasons for why classical art is basically dead and very few people are interested in studying how to create classical art. Photography has taken its place as the most effective way to capture images of reality and now the realm of the artist is in illustrating images that come from the imagination.

>>10825317
You'll be looking up words for every page. 5000 words+ recommended to avoid this.

You should still try though. It's good for you.

>>10825322

You said it takes 30 seconds to take that picture. You are flat-out wrong and should stop changing the subject to cover up your embarrassing loss of the argument.

I wish there was a teacher who would tutor by Tae Kim's method or Genki. Every school I've been too seems to use their own curriculum, and they wouldn't teach more than two hours per week which is unacceptable when learning a new language.

Then again, beggars can't be choosers, there's already such a terrible amount of teachers on this city...

>>10825343
> Genki

Most Swedish Japanese courses teaches with it.

>>10825327

Do you suffer from autism? It's a figurative statement used to emphasize a point, it's not meant to be taken literally.

It's like when people say, "I'll be there in a minute." They don't mean that they will be there in exactly 60 seconds, they're saying that they will be arriving shortly.

>>10825343
Noone stops you to learn using genki or grind kaji and vocab yourself.

>>10825348
>slösa tid på japanska lektioner

shiggy

>Are you slow and stupid, an intelligent quick learner, or a quitter who hasn't even learned Japanese yet?

I never tried to learn Japanese in the first place because I'm not a weeaboo.

>>10825350

OK. Everything I've said until now has been a figurative way to emphasize my more correct point.

Why are you so autistic that you couldn't understand it???

>>10825343
My college classes us Genki.
It's terrible.
I managed to skip second semester and move straight to third level Japanese, but this class just uses the big boy version of Genki written by the same people, An Integrated Approach of Intermediate Japanese.

>>10825356
It's actually really good since you get to speak Japanese with someone.

But just don't get dragged into their pace. Use Anki and grind Tae Kim / Heisig / Genki / Coreplus decks inbetween and get ahead of them.

But then again, someone who says "shiggy" wouldn't understand.

>>10824037
Haven't learned Japanese yet.

First time posting on /jp/

I like Japan

>>10825361
>I managed to skip second semester and move straight to third level Japanese
oh oh oh, watch out, we've got a genius over here.

>>10825366
We don't need you here thanks but leave now.

I've studied on and off for like 4 years and I'm still awful. I'm not surprised though considering how fucking dumb I am.

>>10825081
> I can read games, manga, visual novels and some light novels as well

Wow, really? That gives me hope. I've only been studying the language for a few weeks, and thinking about how helpless I still felt in Spanish after a year of it in high school was pretty discouraging.

>>10825343

Why do you WANT to meet someone who will take your money just to tell you things that you could have easily and more efficiently learned by yourself for free?

I have never met a single person who was taught Japanese and didn't waste huge amounts of time doing pointless shit that's designed for the sole purpose of getting as much money out of you as possible. I've seen colleges that set aside months to just practicing the stroke order for fucking hiragana. They move so slowly that it's like watching people with down syndrome try to learn a second language.

>>10825317
You just need to know grammar to read VN.
I started reading VN with the Genki 1 finished and knowing about 200 kanji

In my first VN I checked every single word with JParser.
In the forth or fifth I stopped using it

LN are harder. My first LN was 1 year after I started learning Japanese.

>>10825382
>Why do you WANT to meet someone who will take your money just to tell you things that you could have easily and more efficiently learned by yourself for free?
to learn how to conversate with japanese people.

>>10825371
No.

People that depend on classes because they believe that it's more efficient are fucking stupid.

Especially the bunch that only goes to class to learn whatever the curriculum says to learn and then proceeds to do nothing at home.

Putting your very soul into it is the only way to achieve fluency or the ability to read more story driven sophisticated VNs/novels in a shorter amount of time.

And if you don't aspire to do so you should just give up.

>>10825382
Not him, but if you pay for something you're more likely to go ahead with learning it.

I only learned to play piano because I bought an expensive keyboard. I could have bought a cheap Casio or something and I wouldn't have felt obligated to learn, then it would be on eBay within a couple months.

Is it a complete waste of money that shows a serious lack of willpower and motivation? Yes. Does it work? Yes.

>>10825394
You can do that without paying them, you know.

>>10825385

You actually remembered the kanji this way? Just by reading them in VNs?

If my goal is to learn Japanese so I could read Japanese text (like VNs) do I need to learn on'yomi and kun'yomi of the kanji? Or should I just prioritize to learn the meaning?

>>10825397
no, I can't.

There are no japanese speaking people where I live and if there were I couldn't talk to them anyway because it's awkward. I am also not a very social person

>>10825400
No, I was also studying them.

>>10825343
I think the way most teaching works is that you learn something "flashy" first. In languages you're taught basic phrases and sentences, because that pulls you in more than learning about grammar and particles. You've only been to one class, and you can already order from a restaurant? Cool!

It's like the equivalent of a "hello world" program. I actually did a Java class and we got taught how to make snazzy GUI programs before we got taught how basic statements, classes, and methods actually worked.

Studying a language at a good school for a year or two is immensely important. I made huge leaps during my first year of learning Chinese at a university because we had good teachers for example.
Don’t lash out on people learning something at an institution because you believe good language education at one is impossible.

>>10825409

Find a Japanese friend online.

>>10825378
Do keep in mind that by read I mean read using the occasional help of a dictionary and easier reading materials. I also occasionally run into a wall of text that throws me off into despair.

Still, once you go past the first hurdle and start reading more and more the studying becomes more interesting and fun. The important thing is to take it at your own pace as long as it isn't super slow (one kanji a day or five words a day or something like that).
Yotsuba& is a good manga that is often recommended to beginners so you should give it a shot. You aren't going to understand all of it just yet but reading is the best way to improve.

>>10825348
I'm talking Brazil, land of the Naruto fans and horribly improvised translations. Though I do only live in once city and haven't checked the others to see the different teaching methods that ensue.

>>10825354
>>10825382
It's all a money argument. If I think I don't have the mental drive to learn a whole language at home, I can commit myself to a class every day (on an ideal scenario) and if the teacher's good or bad, I most definitely WILL learn something about the language as a result. If I'll learn it slowly or quickly, that's a whole different story.

And hey, if the teacher happens to be good, then everybody wins. Mr. >>10825399 managed to sum it up in a nice fashion.

>>10825394

What's stopping you from doing that for free? Hell, just talk to actual Japanese people over the internet. Plenty of them want to learn English and you want to learn Japanese, there are even entire sites setup as a meeting ground for people who want to speak with foreigners and mutually improve their language skills by talking to each other.

Speaking to an actual Japanese person will help you a lot more than some teacher that's trying to jew you out of all your money.

>>10825389
While this may be true for Japanese, some languages are just not very big on the internet. Japanese learning guides are everywhere on the internet, and there is only more of it as time goes on. It would be stupid to take classes in Japanese just for the knowledge.

But classes allow people to be critiqued and good teachers can motivate their students to do more. Many people who study by themselves may have trouble motivating themselves to keep studying and give up.

>>10825417
it's not the same as talking in person. and i don't have the confidence to talk to them on video.

>>10825431
Watch anime and act in-character as one of the characters. Whenever they talk, hit the mute button and say what they'd say. Then unmute and the other character responds. It's like having a real-life anime friend!

>>10825431
then just voice talk

>>10824711
>Arabic and latin

u wot m8?

>>10825431

>it's not the same as talking in person.

Talking to teachers and tutors isn't anything like talking to a Japanese person either though. That's true for any language, it's impossible to achieve complete fluency if you don't practice speaking to a native.

>>10825439
good idea.

>>10825440
i can't do that either. we would be speaking in english first and I have a noticeable hispanic accent when I talk in english and they wouldn't understand me.

>>10825451

>I have a noticeable hispanic accent

Speak with that stereotypical British accent. It's the accent that most Japanese people are familiar with and they won't be able to tell that you're faking it.

>>10825425
> Learn /jp/ for free
> Speak to actual /jp/ people without having to spend my life savings on a plane ticket to Japan.
Where is this heaven located?

Does anyone else do sentence analysis practice here? It's pretty good for learning.

>>10825467

The internet would be better than going to Japan anyway. Practicing Japanese on random people in the streets of Japan would be uncomfortable as hell.

I am of the lazy quitter variety.

>>10825485
から does not indicate reason in the first sentence.

>>10825485

what the FUG are you translating?

>>10825495
it is all wrong

>>10825495
The translation is correct however.

The quickest router is grammar > kanji (accompanied by supplementary reading of children's books, VNs, and etc. with word-translating programs), right?

Give up.

>>10825537
Yes.

Tae Kim's guide is great and I recommend it for most people.

If you want something a little more technical and honest (if you're the kind of person who prefers reading specifications to tutorials), then Ixrec is working on a pretty good guide too:
http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/

Learning Japanese was interesting, but ultimately I feel like I spent a lot of time for not much reward. I studied a lot, I can even read classical, but in the end I just feel like "so much stuff is translated now anyways, what's the point".

I don't even want to live there. It's just kinda pointless.

>>10824572
>like comparing the Kino no Tabi novels to the Bakemonogatari series.
>Bakemonogatari

I feel you. I've been meaning to read those, but they're 63hard4me. Maybe in a year from now.

>>10825568
How is reading a shitty story suppose to motivate you to learn Japanese?

How is textfugu?

>>10825577
They're hard. That's why.

This is one of the worst threads I've seen.
rip

>>10825599
le go back 2 ur 2hu thraeds m8

>>10825599
Out of all 5 of the ones you've seen?

>>10825599
faggot

I was thinking which would be best way to learn to read Japanese?

1) Manga
- Context is easy to grasp.
- There is a lot of translated manga.

2) Light Novel
- Context might be harder to grasp
- Text is copypasteable (pdf-versions)
- Not many of them have translated

3) Visual Novel
- Sometimes context might be easy or hard to grasp
- ITH, JParser, Translate Aggregator etc. could be too much hassle.
- Not many of them have translated

Grammar is so fucking boring to study.

>>10825641
There's nothing like sitting a sunday night desperately trying to jumble things back and forth in your head while doing DOJG.

>>10825635
>not mentioning books

>>10825665

people still read books without pictures?

>>10825665
Take your pick.
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/

>>10825635
moege

>>10825665
Stop using green text like that, please.

>>10825350
>>10825359
The difference in intelligence between these two massive.

>>10824882

The futon blew away.

Oh, I get it, "futon ga futtonda". Hahaha, funneh joke.

>>10825350
In his defence, that's the problem with giving a number. If you say, "The train will be here in 50 seconds," then people are going to expect the train to be there in 50 seconds. "in 50 seconds" isn't as idiomatic as "in a few minutes" or even "in a minute", because you've given an exact quantity.

Saying something will take "less than 30 seconds" just to be hyperbolic actually undermines your point a little. If those photographers are so skilled at photography that they could take an equivalent image without much time or effort, then that should speak for itself.

>>10824037
Somewhat slow and stupid but that's because my primary language is English and my native language is French.

Here's what I've practiced so far;

There is book below the table beside the red watch.
Tsukue no shita ni akai tokei no yoko ni hon ga arimasu.

There is a bank and a school.
Ginkoo to gakoo ga arimasu.

There is a pervert above the girl.
Shoujo no ue ni hentai ga imasen.

There is coffee shop south of the hospital and the bank.
Byooin to ginkoo no minami ni kissaten ga arimasu.

The coffee shop is front of the bank and at the back of the hospital.
Kissaten no mae ni ginkoo to byooin no ushiro ga arimasu.

There is a person at the back of the Canadian teacher.
Kanadajin no sensei wa ushiro no hito ni imasu.

But there is no person at the back of the Canadian teacher!
Demo kanadajin no sensei wa ushiro no hito imasen/inai.

Japan is at the east of Korea.
Kankoku no higashi ni Nihon ga arimasu

What month is last month?
Sengetsu wa nangatsu desu ka?

The day after tomorrow is March 7, 2013.
Asatte wa sangatsu nanoka ni-sen juu-san nen desu.

The day today is December 21, 2012.
Kyou wa juunigatsu nijuuichinichi ni-sen juu-ni nen desu.

The birthday of Mr. Tanaka is yesterday.
Tanakasan no otanjoubi wa kinou desu.

Yesterday is August 3, 2013.
Kinou wa hachigatsu itsuka ni-sen juu-san nen desu.

No, it's August 6, 2013.
Iie, hachigatsu muika ni-sen juu-san nen desu.

May 1 is labor day.
Labor day wa gogatsu tsuitachi desu.

The day before yesterday is October 5th 2019.
Ototoi wa kyuugatsu itsuka ni-sen juu-kyuu nen desu.

What month is Christmas day?
Kurisumasu wa nangatsu desu ka?

Christmas day is always on December 25th.
Kyou no kurisumasu wa itsumo ni juunigatsu nijuugonichi desu.

Last year is 2012.
Kyonen wa ni-sen juu-ni nen desu.

There was no student last year in the university.
Kyonen wa daigakoo no gakusei ga arimasu.

She was at the back of the coffee shop this year.
Kotoshi no kanojo wa ushiro ni kissaten ga arimasu.

>>10825686
>no

>>10825737
Romanji seriously

>>10825702

Who wins?

>>10825737
oh god please be ironic

>quitter who hasn't even learned Japanese yet?

I think I am this, I learn Japanese but I stopped learning but I do my hiragana/katakana on my friends books, on a table, on a tissue...everywhere I go I always do kana and I try to write names and landmarks with it

me and my trusty black pen, we do kana this way...the wrong way.

>>10825748
>>10825750
I'm too lazy to type it in hiragana. Though I know hiragana and also katakana.

>>10825764
>too lazy
it makes no fucking difference. You just type the shit out.

>>10825737
lelolel

>>10825764
Hey nerd, if you use an IME, you could have typed all that in hiragana or katakana.

梓（あずさ）はきれいで、女性的で、自主的で、だからこそ私の彼女です。 - Azusa is pretty, womanly, independent, for that reason she's my girlfriend.

Is this grammatically correct? pls respond

>>10825758
same here.. I know katakana only.

But I use katakana for writing in my cheat sheet during tests...it's effective really. when the teacher sees it, she doesn't care.

>>10825781

She probably silently considers how she hates having weabs in her class.

>>10825778
Your girlfriend is a Japanese cherry birch?

>>10825778

Yes, but it sounds awkward as fuck.

>>10825790
Did you just call his GF a birch woaaaaaaaaah burn

We should have threads where Japanese only is allowed.

>>10825737
>Shoujo no ue ni hentai ga imasen.
Should be "Shoujo no ue ni hentai ga imasu/iru" since the sentence is positive.

Not bad, keep it up mate.

>>10825785
heh that's actually beneficial for me.

>>10825781
So your teacher doesn't even wonder why you have weird looking scribble, which could be mistaken for an alphabet on a sheet of paper? Are you kidding me?

>>10825790

He's writing fanfic because she has no route.

>>10825778
梓（あずさ）はきれいし、女らしいし、自主的し、だから私の彼女になりました

I think it is better

>>10824037
I'm an immigrant in Japan. I learned Japanese in less than one year.

>>10825830
So using し for expressing reason which then leads to her becoming my girlfriend?

I think.

>>10825841

し indicates several reasons, you can translate it with "and so on.

>>10825841
think what?

Where can I learn kansai-ben?
Are there VNs written only in kansai-ben?

>>10825830
It has to be きれいだし, though.

>>10825849
But is し shi.

>>10825820
she asks why there are chinese letters on a sheet of paper.

I just tell her I'm learning chinese even though I'm learning japanese. and it's none of her business so she just walks away as if nothing happend.

Forget Japanese. Who here is learning 한국어?

>>10825858
what's that chicken scratch?

>>10825858
>한국어

For what?

>>10825853
And basically everywhere except for i adjectives, sorry I didn't read the whole thing.

>>10825858
Nah invested too much already. But if I had the choice again I'd go with Korean.

>>10825866
30% APM boost.

>>10825870
Korean girls are absolutely repulsive, though.

>>10825866
Bitches

韓国人氏ね

This thread has hit bump limit.

What other board caused this? No thread ever hits 300 replies without crossboarders.

>>10825877
Korean waifus are ugly.

Please stay on topic.

>>10825877
Not post surgery.

>>10825877
You will get tons of Japanese bitches by just talking to them in Korean.

>>10825877
They are as repulsive as Japanese guys.

>>10825894
>guys
Meant girls.

I've been doing heisig's remembering he kanji for a little more than a week now. I'm at ~200. I'm essentially going through the whole of jouyo kanji learning their meanings and then planning on doing the same thing over again but memorizing the onyomi and then going over hem one last time to memorize the kunyomi.

I doubt my abilities to memorize both prounciations, meanings, and the character all at once but I still wonder sometimes if this is a good approach...
Has anyone done it this way or has anyone gone about it in a faster way?

>>10825888
/a/.

Don't they have japanese-learning shitposters they send out on expeditions to other boards to make them shit?

>>10825891
source

New thread where?

How do people use anki without getting bored instantly? Not being able to type in the answer is frustrating since i have to rely on how I feel instead of statistics from actually answering.

>>10825912
never

>>10825905

I don't know Japanese but I like to participate in the elitism because it splits the board up, which helps my cause. Divide and conquer.

>>10825914
>never
don't force me to create it myself.

>>10825921
do it fag, I dare you

>>10825912
I've been hoping for another general. The viralshit thread isn't enough.

>>10825929
I double dare you motherfucker. I'm gonna take a smoke now and if there is no fucking thread on the goddamn page 0 I'll make one.

>>10825908

Stop all of that shit and just learn vocab.

>>10825965
Nani? Isn't onyomi and kunyomi vocab?

New thread >>10825984

Janai without a interrogation mark bothers me everytime

>>10824882

罰金バッキンガム！