/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10814288
Shibayan?

I like the part where Kosuzu reads on our world and say that the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union as "A faulty piece of construction"

>>10814288
Mima?

>>10814374
Okay, then I guess this won't be a surprise anymore, but I love that part for a certain other reason.

Nine years.

>>10814440
Aw Man, the artist even remembered what Lily's wings are made of.

>>10814440
>>10814288
Tokiko is back? That explained why /jp/ was raided with cocks today.

>>10814440
Well.

oh neat. Looking forward to the translation as always

Fun fact: apparently Sangetsusei never made it to the cover during its six-year long run in CompAce.

I don't know what to make of it. Why do you hate little girls, Japan?

>>10815858
I heard it's because Volume 1 of Forbidden Scrollery is a top seller. Something the three fairies manga can't archive.

Is part 6 out already? Was it uploaded somewhere?

>>10815980
http://www.mediafire.com/?qs4s72wb0nzogp6

No quality control, may include mistakes, someone shared this

>>10816000
Thanks for the link

I am having a hard time getting used to how fast people now work with the current manga. I'm still expecting the chapters to take months to be uploaded and translated.

God I hate Remillia. So fucking useless.

>>10816000
>Banxring
>Not 'Tupai'

I want to complain to the translator.

>>10816138
You're just jealous you don't get to be a vampire loli!!

>>10816000
I want to complain to the translator. It should be "Tupai", not Banxring.

>>10816138
Stay hipster.

>>10816135
Because this one is easier to read.

Now all we have to do is wait for the one poster with a TVTropes account to message the translator and we'll be gold.

Of course we'll be waiting forever, but that never stopped anyone.

>>10816183
They're the same person. How can't you see such an obvious thing?

That cliffhanger about the animal appearance at the end is one of the least suspenseful cliffhangers i've seen in quite a while. Would probably have worked better if it had Sakuya talking with Reimu while changing the view to Akyuu and Kosuzu opening the pot and looking surprised. The viewpoint could have been like the picture in the bottom of page 13. It feels like lots of space was wasted on the last page, the way it is now.

>>10816212
It hadn't occurred to me.

>>10816234
It's less suspenseful for me ever since Remilia says 'Tupai' (Not Banxring, goddammit). Cause i know there's a species of Treeshrews that likes to get drunk

ttp://enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Pen-tailed_Treeshrew

Ojou-sama!, Ojou-sama!, Remilia Ojou-sama!.

Her hair looks so fluffy and cute, and finally a bit more proper wingspan.


I'll wait for v2.

>>10816166
>I hate someone
>You're just jealous!

I love this one.

>>10816277
I know, heck, even the translator seems to know it(maybe you are the translator?). Still, could have tried a bit better to make it seem like it might not actually be the thing everyone suspects.

Forbidden Scrollery 6, starring Kasen as The Lady who appears on the cover but actually does nothing in the chapter, joined by her special friends: Youmu, Marisa and Aya, who also try to do as little as possible.

>>10816373
Forbidden Scrollery had a good run, but it looks like it's become "Nothing Happens: The Manga" like all the rest of them.

And all of them were lovely, so it's no skin off my back.

>>10815876
Sangetsusei sold well. Look at Kadokawa calling it a hit in their promotional materials.

And I don't think we even know how much the Suzunaan tankoubon really sold. It didn't even make the Oricon charts. Sure, it's because they printed so little that it literally sold out in an hour, but the fact remains. It's obviously more popular than they expected, but by this point the cover is the only proof it's more popular than the fairies used to be.

>>10816385
That's not really the case. The Enenra case and Kosuzu's mis-handling the Night Parade scrolls might turn out worst if Reimu don't do her job.

It's Nothing Happens: The Manga because Reimu prevented something happening.

>>10814288
Talking about the fairies popularity, I find it funny how the editor of the magazine decided to cover them.

In the full poster version, you can see them.

>>10816404
Was Eastern and little Nature Deity in the same magazine? Because i could totally understand why they wouldn't want to put that part of the fairy manga on the cover.

>>10816373
Give Youmu a break, her head is obviously too weak for those alcohol-fueled parties.

>>10816439
Now I'm actually pissed.

See? Japan hates little girls. That's the only explanation. That's why this time they've hired a shoujo artist who draws everyone as long-limbed adults this time. (Not that I mid given how great she it at it.)

>>10816373
Give Youmu a break, her head is obviously too weak for those alcohol-fueled parties.

>>10816439
Now I'm actually pissed.

See? Japan hates little girls. That's the only explanation. That's why they've hired a shoujo artist who draws everyone as long-limbed adults this time. (Not that I mind given how great she is at it.)

>>10816450
>Was Eastern and little Nature Deity in the same magazine?

Yes.

>>10816162
>>10816170
>>10816277

>>10816502
>oppai

>>10816549
A rare animal not native to Gensokyo.

>>10816502
Dear lord that expression

>>10814374
She's consistently adorable.

>>10816373
Kinda like Yuuka in the latest WaHH!

>>10816485
I wonder what Hirasaka is doing now. I hope he's ok. I hope he will draw more cute fat little girls.

>>10816502

nightmare fuel Remilia

>>10817101
What are you talking about, look at those eyes.

Would serve faithfully.

>>10816502

She looks great.

Like monster, not a cute moe girl.

>>10817199
No, no, no. Cute, elegant monster girl.

>>10817214

She reminds me of a killer doll from a horror movie. And that's a good thing.

>>10816373
It seems to be the same party as in the latest WaHH. Hence Kasen with the sake box, youmu, and the rest.

>>10817052
Dear god that everything. Remilia have just gotten a new iconic depiction. Everything about her is just perfect. She must have always been intended to be this way, it's just that no-one was able to pull it off before. This is not your regular silly vampire loli, this is Felis Ovum-like (still emphatically a loli, and god, that puffy dress). Her charisma would not become a joke had we gotten this manga a few years earlier.

>>10817096
He's had new books for both of last year's Comikets. We can only expect more from him now that he's free from commercial obligations.

>>10817246
Reimu doesn't remember becoming Oni Miko. Good for her.

>>10817214


>>10817326
It all thanks to Harukawa's skill. She seems to easily print personalities into the characters.

I want to see how does she look IRL.

>>10817326

This Remi is nightmare fuel tier.

Perfect.

>>10816373
Kasen might appear next chapter, since we're dealing with an animal. Now that I think about it, Reimu might call her right away after learning about the pet disappearing.

Also I'd like to add I agree 100% about all the positive comments about Remilia in this chapter. When I first saw her on the cover, I got a little annoyed. Not because I have anything against Remilia, but because she has had so many manga appearances so far anyway, and I'd prefer to see some newer characters. But the style made it all worth it, wow.

It's just ridiculous how much better official Touhou stuff became in last few years.

Both WaHH and FS are great.

Why does nobody give Kosuzu this book?

I want to know what it's about.

This is easily the best canon Remi to date.

She even looks a bit scary with those oversized blood colored eyes.

>>10817246
Oh you're right. I didn't notice Yuuka lurking in the background there.

>>10817808
Too lewd for her

Remilia is childish, capricious, and intimidating for it all. Her malevolent aura isn't masterful, but rather whimsical.

I can't help but saying that drunken Remilia is pretty charming. Look at that blissful face.

>>10818449
I'd do lewd things to her.

>>10818435
Yeah, It's been said but I think she was captured very well in this. While strictly on the surface a child she still exerts a palatable air of superiority.

>>10817199
>not a cute moe girl

Oh please. I would expect a Touhou fan, of all people, to know youkai moe.

>>10818696
Did someone say Youkai Moe?

But really this is THE Remilia

>>10818985
Yes. A youkai should feel like someone you'd want to stay well clear of. The cute ones are nice too, I mean ZUN draws them that way. But this captures that feeling, and without being overdone like fan comics tend to be.

Save good threads!

Bump.

bump bump bump bump bump

>>10817542
snake eyes like kanako... thank you based artist

>>10819650

Those are typical night creature eyes. Not snake eyes.

now...

ill just be a good anon here and wait for the translation.

>>10820669
Be a better anon and read the goddamn thread.

>>10814288
So FS is basically running in the same timeline as WaHH I take it with Kasen there.

>>10820721
I don't see what your point is, Touhou in general runs in the same timeline. But maybe you've misphrased something.

Though no matter what you ask for, the answer is yes.

>>10820754
he's asking if FS takes place chronologically before or after WaHH

Why is there so much orgasm over a single Remilia picture? This chapter told nothing new about our mistress, her lifestyle or habits, an it kills any hope to see at least some kind of character development in the next chapter. No, it even worse. Those few Remilia's lines of dialogue didn't show her personality at all. You could easily replace Remilia with Yukari or almost any other touhou at it wouldn't change a thing.
And as for her slightly ominous portrayal - it's really nothing special. There are few dozen of fan-made doujins and lots of thousand pixiv pictures with similar art for Remilia.
Though I can understand your hype if you are one of so called "true primaries" who despise all fan works. In the end today you finally got something that other people have been enjoying for years.

just a reminder that translated stuff is fanwork

>>10820771
>There are few dozen of fan-made doujins and lots of thousand pixiv pictures with similar art for Remilia.

Of which maybe five are remotely as good, and of which none has any chance to influence her future portrayals. Even a tertiary should understand that much.

>>10820803
I'd gladly read raws if I had them.

>>10820844
>Of which maybe five are remotely as good
Seriously, what did you enjoy about it? This chapter is as meaningless as any H-doujin where some guy without face puts his dick into 2hu on 1st page and cums on 18th. Wait, the H-doujin is even better since I can fap to it.

>>10820927
I question your resolve if you put fapping above characterization.

Actually, wait, no, I question your resolve if you can't fap to this.

>>10820844
>and of which none has any chance to influence her future portrayals.

So, in the end of the day, your only argument is that you're a primary and very happy that, for once, the Remilia canon portrait was as good as the Remilia fanon portrait.

Don't try to deny it. It's exactly what you just said, with your own words.

Well, you see, if you weren't the elitist jerk that you actually are, you would have enjoyed fanon Remilia.

I dare to say, if you were a true touhou fan, you would have enjoyed fanon Remilia. But unfortunately, you are not. You're too engrossed in your own hubris. Because you're 'a Primary', you can't enjoy fanon. Only now, as canon Remilia is catching on fanon Remilia, you are allowed to enjoy it.

You disgust me.

>>10820946
There is no characterization in that picture, at least 'official'. FS will end and ZUN will find another artist for his next work. And there is no guarantee that artist won't draw her in unyu-uguu~ style.
If I want some nice Remilia I just use "remilia_scarlet rating:safe" as search criteria on danbooru.
I don't like FS. While WaHH puts effort into building touhou's world FS just milks devoted fans who hope to see their favourite girl in the official work.

>>10820946
Well, Remi is already know for being charismatic, but she's clumsy at the same time. It's a mix of charisma and bluff, like in Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red where she's all charismatic while being dumb.

Also, the drawing style was different, but she's the usual remilia:
>Why did you bother getting that thing
>Because I want it

>>10821013
Check your terminology. Primaries play the games. Secondaries care about the story and characters. Then there's the unofficial term "tertiaries" for people who are interested in neither and think Touhou is just a collection of barely defined templates for them to reuse in funny memes. People like you.

I doubt you're capable of enjoying Remilia, or any Touhou character for that matter, in any depiction in any media. But enjoy your faps and cheap laughs all you want. Just don't try to claim what you're enjoying has anything to do with Touhou. Any random character with a couple of similar traits (in this case, a loli vampire) would work just as well for you.

>>10821025
Maybe if you could read with minimal comprehension, you'd know that the picture wasn't an example of characterization. But it nevertheless contains plenty of it, even by itself. Whether you're not seeing it because you're also unable to comprehend visual clues, or because all you can ever see in Touhous is a few memes that make up their general design, I cannot tell.

>>10821106
>in Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red where she's all charismatic while being dumb

How is she dumb in BAiJR?

>she's the usual remilia

No-one ever said that her portrayal was unusual. It's just better.

>>10820771
I though everyone was just talking about the art, not the portrayal of her personality. She only has a few lines anyway.

I also think you're over reacting. So what if there are tons of fan artists who make great art? Enjoying Harukawa's art for FS has nothing to do with whether or not we enjoy fanart or fanworks in general.

>I don't like FS. While WaHH puts effort into building touhou's world FS just milks devoted fans who hope to see their favourite girl in the official work.
Are you serious? FS is building up the Touhou world just as good as WaHH if not even better, since in FS we are seeing bits and pieces of the lives of humans (and youkai) in the village, and that's completely new.

It's also quite unfair to compare them, since WaHH is 10 chapters ahead, and right now it's hard to say in what direction of focus FS will go. Also, milking favorite characters? just who are we talking about here? Until this chapter, the only characters to make a major appearance outside of Reimu, Marisa and Kosuzu are Mamizou and Akyuu.

>>10820771
I though everyone was just talking about the art, not the portrayal of her personality. She only has a few lines anyway.

I also think you're over-reacting. So what if there are tons of fan artists who make great art? Enjoying Harukawa's art for FS has nothing to do with whether or not we enjoy fanart or fanworks in general.

>>10821025
>I don't like FS. While WaHH puts effort into building touhou's world FS just milks devoted fans who hope to see their favourite girl in the official work.
Are you serious? FS is building up the Touhou world just as good as WaHH if not even better, since in FS we are seeing bits and pieces of the lives of humans (and youkai) in the village, and that's completely new.

It's also quite unfair to compare them, since WaHH is 10 chapters ahead, and right now it's hard to say in what direction of focus FS will go. Also, milking favorite characters? just who are we talking about here? Until this chapter, the only characters to make a major appearance outside of Reimu, Marisa and Kosuzu are Mamizou and Akyuu.

>>10821136
>Maybe if you could read with minimal comprehension, you'd know that the picture wasn't an example of characterization.
As I mentioned in >>10820771 there is no Remilia's characterization in this chapter at all.
>visual clues
The only problem is that artist for FS is not ZUN. All the visual 'clues' are nothing but Moe Harukawa's vision of the character (and we all know how poor is communication between ZUN and the artist in all the touhou manga). And that vision differs not only from ZUN's but most likely from yours as well.
>>10821157
>Also, milking favorite characters? just who are we talking about here?
But people don't know which characters are in the next chapter unless they buy it (or pirate it). They see the new chapter on sale, they think that there's always some chance that their favourite girl will appear in it. Remiliafags can be happy today, but not the rest of the fans. All they got is another 18 pages of boring and pointless touhou story.

>>10821265
>But people don't know which characters are in the next chapter unless they buy it (or pirate it). They see the new chapter on sale, they think that there's always some chance that their favourite girl will appear in it.
The thing is, saying that this makes FS different from any other Touhou manga makes no sense. They're all like that. Yet you said FS specifically milks fans for this reason.

>Remiliafags can be happy today, but not the rest of the fans. All they got is another 18 pages of boring and pointless touhou story.
Personally I enjoy the manga regardless of the characters who are in it, and if you don't then well, maybe Touhou manga just isn't for you.

>>10821279
>The thing is, saying that this makes FS different from any other Touhou manga makes no sense. They're all like that. Yet you said FS specifically milks fans for this reason.
My point is that WaHH is somewhat good so there is nothing wrong with people buying it. On the other hand FS is bad, yet it has very good sales as well. So I tried to propose my theory explaining this fact.
Well, I guess there are always people like you who enjoy this kind of story. But still... why does it have Youmu and Kasen on the cover?

I'm really happy about this portrayal because this is how I, personally, always imagined Remilia to be.
She's a vampire, feared enough to be called the "scarlet devil". She looks more dangerous, but is still beautiful and childlike in appearance.

10/10 mistress, would serve.

>>10821265
>All they got is another 18 pages of boring and pointless touhou story.
If you think that all Touhou manga that doesn't involve your favorite character is boring and pointless (since, like always, nothing happens) is worthless, nobody is forcing you to read it.

>>10821314
"Stop enjoying what I dislike".

Also, Kasen and Youmu are on the poster (that you mistakenly call a "cover" for some reason) because they are participating in the party that's depicted in this chapter, and was previously depicted in the latest chapter of WaHH. It's that niche underground thing called continuity that you probably never heard of.

>>10821396
I wouldn't call a single panel 'depicting a patry'.
This chapter takes place the same time as that party, but It doesn't continue its story (in fact WaHH went ahead in timeline) and it adds nothing about that party we already didn't know. It even could be the last year's party, we can't say for sure. And we could remove that single panel from this chapter and any mentions of the party with it, it wouldn't change a thing. Again.
You should really stop enjoying bad things and start enjoying only good ones.

>>10821532
Go cram it in your mother's cunt.

>>10821532
>It even could be the last year's party, we can't say for sure.
That's not how the Touhou timeline works though. It's all in chronological order, and it's the Cherry Blossom viewing season right now, in WaHH and in FS, as well as in our reality's Japan.

>I wouldn't call a single panel 'depicting a patry'.
There's an image that depicts an event. What is there even to argue about?

Why are people suddenly hating on FS? Because it has no overall plot? That's nothing new. SSIB was the only manga with a longer plot and even that had about as much effect on anything as a random mini plot from WAHH or FS.

>>10821265
>The only problem is that artist for FS is not ZUN

Take a look at that purist. If ZUN didn't like the way characters are acting or drawn he wouldn't let the chapters pass. Or do you think ZUN never even looks at the manga, that he just tells some artist to draw random stuff while he gets drunk?

>>10821532
If you like WAHH so much more than FS, then you should know that the box Kasen is holding wasn't at last years party and that the fact that she has this box was a major plot point in the party chapter.

>>10821639
I had to redownload the chapter to check if Kasen holds the box in that picture. She actually is. But does it change anything? No. That party image could easily be replaced with any other post PCB cherry-viewing party (Remilia was on every one of them) or even removed at all - it wouldn't affect this chapter's story. If that party is there for continuity (as claimed by >>10821396) when it's the cheapest way to add it.
>>10821613
>If ZUN didn't like [...] he wouldn't let the chapters pass.
I bet ZUN-san is too shy to reject someone's work. How can he say no to something when artist has put his time, effort and soul in it? The point was that those elitist faggots who shit up every touhou thread with primary-secondary crap are huge hypocrites. Like that guy who hates Remilia's fanon portrayals but likes the one in FS.

>>10821772
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. I bet you think ZUN cries himself to sleep every night because all his artists defile his characters with their art all the time and he is powerless to stop them. In fact, they forced him to let them draw for him. They also wrote all the dialoque just to annoy fans, because they actually hate Touhou.

Every Touhou manga, besides maybe Inaba, is canon and how characters act in there is canon. If someone likes how Remilia acted in FS so far but hates her UGUU Charisma Break that is found in much fan-art, then there is nothing wrong with that.

>>10821772
Are you seriously angry about the fact that there is the WAHH party in the background? Why shouldn't it be there? Should there be no continuity at all? No manga should ever cross paths? If you just want to complain about cameos then you might want to stop reading Touhou manga in general because even SSIB had cameos and some were handled much worse than this. This cameo at least makes some sense. Try arguing about that party picture in SSIB if you want to see nonsensical character appearances. Cameos are nothing new to Touhou print media.

>>10821772
"Completely rewriting half of the chapter wouldn't change its story." - Anon on /jp/, 2013.

>those elitist faggots who shit up every touhou thread with primary-secondary crap are huge hypocrites

Nice self-criticism, I wholeheartedly agree.

I guess asking you to stop is likely to be pointless, but would you? We were having a nice thread until you came.

>>10821613
>Why are people suddenly hating on FS?
I'm quite sure it's just one person.

>>10821818
>Remilia acted in FS
Yes. In this chapter she acted
>like monster, not a cute moe girl
>like someone you'd want to stay well clear of
Except she didn't. She just smiled and said 4 absolutely neutral sentences. All those ominous, scary and even nightmare fuel things are based just on her image made by some artist. And guess what? That image is completely different from her other official appearances, for example in SSiB (nice example of UGUU).
You can love how Remilia _looks_ in FS. But if you like her visual portrayal in _all_ official works yet you hate how she looks in doujinshis, you're a hypocrite and a faggot.

>>10821948
>you're a hypocrite and a faggot.
>those elitist faggots who shit up every touhou thread with primary-secondary crap are huge hypocrites
Glass houses, stones, throwing.

>>10821948
I'm not that guy saying she acted like some monster though. I was just speaking in general. It's also no wonder that she looks different from her SSIB appearance, because unlike Aki Eda, Moe Harukawa can actually draw good looking character.

>>10821896
>Completely rewriting half of the chapter wouldn't change its story.
Except that party had no relation to this chapter's story. At all. Remilia visits Reimu every other day. She could tell her about that pet on any day. And as I said earlier you could replace Remilia with almost any other touhou without even changing lines of dialogue. It wouldn't change the story. There still would be a pet (just with some different master), Kosuzu and Akyuu would still investigate that mysterious sake disappearing incident. For example you can't replace Akyuu and Kosuzu because no one else cares about that stupid sake in human village.

>>10821948
>You can love how Remilia _looks_ in FS.

Really? You're letting us?

>But if you like her visual portrayal in _all_ official works yet you hate how she looks in doujinshis, you're a hypocrite and a faggot.

So maybe go complain to people who do that and leave us alone.

>>10822014
You can replace everyone before Youmu(except maybe Chen) in PCB, because they are no major players in the plot. What's your point? That Touhou doesn't do it's very best to tell epic stories? That's nothing new.

Also
>>10821896
>We were having a nice thread until you came.
Except I have some arguments and real criticism. But well, you can continue to discuss the chapter, so many events, so many new things in it! Wait, no, this thread would probably die without my little intervention.

>>10822034
Troll confirmed, I guess.

>>10822027
That's really bad comparison. Plot is really not important in touhou games. People play new games for new challenges and new touhous. Yes, you could replace those girls from PCB with any other new touhous, we wouldn't even notice (who knows, maybe ZUN initially wanted to add completely different characters). They would still fulfil their role - they will introduce themselves as the new characters.
On the other hand I expect from FS not character cameos, but some story (even if it's slice-of-life without any significant events). And good written story must be meaningful. That party had no point in the story, Remilia as well.

>>10822044
I didn't 'intervent' to troll, I joined the discussion with my complains about the story. Something I wanted to say after chapter 4 or even 3. It's not like I'm bashing any of you for your tastes (except for that guy >>10821136, but it's for reasons not relevant to FS)

>>10822068
>but some story (even if it's slice-of-life without any significant events).
>And good written story must be meaningful.

So by that logic slice of life can never be meaningful and therefore never be good. Why are you reading the manga if you already know it's slice of life and think like that? In fact, by that logic SSIB should be the only good Touhou manga because it's no slice of life.

>>10822014
>you could replace Remilia with almost any other touhou without even changing lines of dialogue.

Only no, you couldn't.

>It wouldn't change the story

For you, maybe, because you apparently can't comprehend that Touhou has continuity and established characters. I guess they're just walking dresses and wigs for you, devoid of any personality and background, just there so you can enjoy porn of them. But no, the real Touhou is not like your porn. The dialogue is not composed of 気持ち良いs that you can just copy-paste from one fuck scene to another. A different character taking up the role Remillia fulfills this chapter would require a full rewrite of the chapter to accomodate for her personality, motivation and relations with other Touhous. All of which you're apparently not aware of.

>>10822114
No, no.
If slice-of-life stories are about nothing it doesn't mean they are meaningless. In fact, that's a huge misconception, slice-of-life stories are not about nothing, they are about so much things that you cannot make a single plot from them. Still, those things are what makes our life.
I would like to take "One Hundred Years of Solitude" as an example. It's a huge book telling about life of few generations of a big family. It's doesn't have continuous plot, it just describes plain life of different people in different time. Usually it's nothing extraordinary - people grow, marry, have kids, die. Life of each of them is pretty insignificant, but it's still meaningful. Every action in the end had some impact on others and the world around them. Every event had cause and effect. It was interesting to read, I really loved when some related events were separated by more than 100 pages from each other. There was not a single moment when I though 'well, that was pointless'.
Party in FS just doesn't have it. It's nothing but a simple timeline reference. The good way would be leaving really insignificant but still unexplained event during that party in WaHH and then explain it in FS. For example add Sakuya walking with the empty cage among the guests in WaHH. That's the real continuity.

>>10822155
Let's replace Remilia with Yukari. Yukari visits Reimu as well. 'I want it because it's rare' would suit her, too (just don't forget to put that mysterious Yukari smile). And Yukari have already some pets so I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted another one for some really mysterious reasons.

>>10822242
>Life of each of them is pretty insignificant
So the whole life of someone being insignificant is no big deal and somehow great in a story with no plot but a single background event being in a Touhou manga ruins the entire story?

>'I want it because it's rare' would suit her, too (just don't forget to put that mysterious Yukari smile).

Not really? She's never used vanity as a front for a scheme. I don't think she would either; when she's plotting something she's either completely disingenuous about it or plays with her cards face-up.

>>10822287
Their life was insignificant the same as yours or mine. History probably won't remember us. Our life still can be meaningful (we just need to leave our basement for that).
Anyway, for some reason this thread completely focused just on that party ignoring all other my complains. If you scroll up you will find them, plus I can add few others.
For example, ZUN should stop using that old joke where touhou girls (or guy) misunderstand the meaning of things from outside world. It gets really old. And he even repeated it two times in a single chapter (Berlin Wall and Soviet Union). Repetition doesn't make it funnier, it makes them worse.
>>10822353
I'll take the combination. She can play with her cards face-up for something she already did ('Sup, Reimu, I got a new pet'), but she can be disingenuous about her reasoning ('it's because it's rare').
Anyway, ZUN will never mention that pet after the next chapter.

Okay what's this thread even about right now? Someone hates FS, because you could swap out some characters, yet he thinks WAHH is the greatest manga ever?

You can swap out characters in WAHH too if you want. Who cares if it's Mamizou who goes to Reimu to talk about an attack on the temple? Might as well have been Hijiri or even Nue. Might have even gained more readers because Hijiri and Nue are more popular than Mamizou. Why was Yuuka at that last party? She had not even a single line to say. Might as well have been Futo. WAHH sure sucks because of that. Worst Touhou manga ever.

Is this what the thread is about right now?

>>10822384
Only people like popular scientists or mass murderers can change something and will be remembered. We are just as important as ants no matter what we do in the outside world.
You should be punched in the face for suggesting we should leave our homes. You clearly don't belong here.

>>10822430
That was my point. Significant life =/= meaningful life. For example become a normalfag, find a girl, marry her. History still won't remember you, but you life will be meaningful (at least for you children).

>>10822389
You know, you can just read the thread.
>he thinks WAHH is the greatest manga ever
/jp/ sure loves to exaggerate. Press contrl+f, paste this 'My point is that WaHH is somewhat good'. It has its flaws, but still the are more good things about it than the bad ones (and this thread is not WaHH).
>Mamizou
>Yuuka
Yet no one was that hyped as everyone in this thread when Remilia appeared. Refer to this post >>10820771

>>10822450
If I had children I'd probably hate them. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

>>10822389
You know, you can just read the thread.
>he thinks WAHH is the greatest manga ever
/jp/ sure loves to exaggerate. Press contrl+f, paste this 'My point is that WaHH is somewhat good'. It has its flaws, but still theew are more good things about it than the bad ones (and this thread is not about WaHH).
>Mamizou
>Yuuka
Yet no one was that hyped as everyone in this thread when Remilia appeared. Refer to this post >>10820771

>>10822497
You think i'll read 50 posts just because one guy hates FS? Oh please, why should i care that much about a single opinion from some Anon? Because it's rare that someone hates FS? I'd care more if someone hated SSIB and didn't mention the art, pacing or fights as the reason.

>>10822271
But wasn't Canon Yukari tend to me more smarter than that? She'll say that with hidden meaning while Remilia says that because she really wants it.

>>10822547
I thank you that even though you don't care about my opinion and didn't even read the thread you still found some time to write that post >>10822389. It makes me warm inside.

>>10822643
Well, writing 50 words on a Keyboard is faster than reading 50 posts and when the same fucking thread keeps popping up at the top of front page all the time, one must reply sooner or later.

>>10814408

>>10816277
>Tupai
I am the translator. Your complaint has been noted. The main problem here is that "tupai" is not an English word. Seriously, that's just not a the word for that animal. The common name for it is "tree shrew" but calling it a tree shrew in the story just makes Reimu look dumber than she already does. It's supposed to have an air of "what the hell is that?" for her.

So what I did is I looked up the animal on wikipedia and saw that apparently "banxring" is another word for tree shrew. Googling banxring brings you to the tree shrew page. Googling tupai does (although appraently there's a book about three shrews titled "Tupai"?

Now, I'm not a zoologist. Maybe Banxring refers to a specific kind of tree shrew that doesn't drink alcohol. However, the entire family (not just the pen-tails) is called tupai, both in the scientific name and in Malaysian (where apparently the word also means squirrel).

In short, I have no clue what I'm doing. The first draft used the word "Tupai" because that's literally what Remilia, but that also happens to be the Japanese word for... tupai. So she's using sensible Japanese that a knowledgeable Japanese speaker would recognize. By contrast, Tupai has not become a loan word in English. To use it would be to use a Malaysian word for an animal that DOES have an English name. Which strikes me as weird and not really the point of translation.

Personally I think tupai sounds better though, so if there's any sort of zoological or linguistic argument brought up I'll probably change it. Or I might just change it anyway.

>>10822907
>Googling tupai does (although appraently there's a book about three shrews titled "Tupai"?

There's supposed to be a "not" in there. Cause that would make the statement make sense.

>>10822242
>The good way would be leaving really insignificant but still unexplained event during that party in WaHH and then explain it in FS. For example add Sakuya walking with the empty cage among the guests in WaHH.

It's funny you should mention that, but that sort of unexplained background detail is EXACTLY what happened in this chapter. Although I screwed it up due to a translation error. Seriously, there's a reason I make rough drafts, and it's because I'm terrible.

Specifically, Reimu mentions that after the party, she lost all memories of the next few days. If you remember WAHH, this refers to her becoming an oni for a few days. She blames it on simply drinking too much, but throw in Kasen's drinking and the timing and you can infer that this is the exact same drinking party that happened in WAHH. Furthermore, the pet escaped while Sakuya and Remilia were acting like onis, ie: that's WHY it escaped.

It doesn't actually make any difference to the chapter, but it's a small nod towards continuity.

>>10822994
Did you also do the translations for WaHH 16? There were a few things I felt were odd in that. The biggest being the second bubble on this page, which is Suika quoting what she heard from Yuugi, not just her continuing to speak.
Additionally the english has 'just when I thought I'd finally meet you again something interesting seems to be going on.' I think the japanese has Yuugi's quote (to Suika) being more like 'Since I thought I just met someone from a long time ago, something interesting seems to be going on'
This makes more sense for Yuugi (who Kasen just borrowed the dish from) to say than the first line.

Just wanted to see if you were aware/if I was crazy. If you aren't the translator then, welp carry on.

>>10823190
I did translate that chapter, but I didn't see it as Yuugi's line so I didn't translate it as such. Now that I look at it, the text bubble has a little notch in it so your interpretation might make more sense. On the other hand, your proposed line confuses me a bit. -ttara isn't really a causal phrase, if anything it implies the result is unexpected. And frankly it seems bizarre to say "I thought I met" about someone who you lent your dish too. It's not like she just caught a passing glimpse. Unless both Kasen is a burglar and Yuugi doesn't care enough to complain about having her family treasure stolen (which is possible, I guess).

Anyway, I was not aware of this other possible translation until you pointed it out. All I can say is that I'm fallible. And certainly not a professional translator. I can't definitively say which is right or wrong, but you haven't really convinced me. Although you've raised some doubt in my mind. I didn't really think about this line very much the first time around.

>>10823335
the line ends with って the quoting particle. Not sure how to slice it any other way with prior line, Suika just leaves whatever she heard from Yuugi unsaid otherwise.
My translation of it probably isn't quite suitable though, yeah. I meant to get across that Yuugi thought it was the same person as she knew from long ago, not that she 'thought' the meeting happened at all.
久々に会った(met long ago)　mostly seems to show up as in 久々に会った人, stuff like 'incidents you had when meeting an old acquaintance', 'letter to the friend from long ago' etc.
Though the more I stare at this I see how you can have 'I met a person I knew from long ago' as 'I finally met that person again'.
So, because of this unexpected meeting she believes interesting events are going on.

But really the biggest issue is just that I really think it's a quote from Yuugi that Suika is saying. 'I heard from Yuugi 「＿」ってね

ormaybeI'mjusthorribleandcrazy.
Thanks for your work either way, getting official touhou stuff translated.

>>10823560
>the line ends with って the quoting particle.
...indeed it does.

>>10822907
>>10823335
This can't be repeated enough, so let me do it too: thanks for all the work you put into this. Being up-to-date with the manga is a real blessing.

That said, I have my own question, from a bit more back. Isn't the 恐ろしい here basically "terrific" (meaning: awesome)? It sure looks to me that Mamizou is (successfully, as seen two pages later) encouraging Kosuzu to continue meddling with youma books, and Kosuzu's reaction looks like a shock of having been seen through rather than fear of youkai. I know, -てしまう, but from what I understand it can just as well imply that the summoning will happen on its own or unexpectedly rather than be something regrettable.

Also, where do you get the raws from? All I can ever find on the web are Chinese scanlations. Share/PD?

>>10820754
The last chapter in WaHH has them drinking sake from Kasen box.
Not only are they running concurrently I think we can assume it is actually the same year and month.
I guess I did phrase it wrongly.

>>10822894
Fat chance. No Mima in canon works. Zun hates Mima. Zun doesn't want to speak about Mima. Zun doesn't want Mima. He wants everything that's not Mima. He doesn't even know who Mima is anymore. He forgot about Mima long ago. Sometimes he dreams about Mima, except that it's not dream but nightmare, and then he wakes up and he asks who this girl was. He's under the curse of no Mima. No Mima. No Mima never.

>>10821136
>Primaries play the games. Secondaries care about the story and characters.

So if somebody cares for both he's some kind of zerory?

>>10824059
No one defines it like that and if someone does it must be his first time posting in a Touhou thread. Seriously, who posts on /jp/ and thinks secondaries refers to people who care about the story? It's the exact opposite. Secondaries only care about fan-work. The canon works are of no importance to them.

>>10821613
It's just the one guy losing his shit because he hates Remifags.

>>10823799
>and Kosuzu's reaction looks like a shock of having been seen through rather than fear of youkai.
Why would Kosuzu be afraid? She's crazy. I thought the point of the chapter was that she got the complete opposite message from what she was supposed to. First of all, if Mamizou's goal was to encourage her, why would she assume Kosuzu would even want to summon a terrific youkai? And why would Kosuzu actually be motivated by that? The whole reason she ends up dabbling in it more than she needs to is because she wants to be a cool expert like Mamizou, not because she loves youkai.

Also, remember that this is Mamizou's back-up plan for not being able to buy the book herself. Unless you think the whole thing was an act from beginning to end, but in that case it's unclear why she would need to. She's also the one who tipped Reimu and Marisa off about the book in the first place so if she wanted Kosuzu to abuse it and summon a "terrific" youkai she could have just done nothing, couldn't she?

>Also, where do you get the raws from? All I can ever find on the web are Chinese scanlations. Share/PD

As much as I'd love to tell you the fascinating and narcissistic tale of how I became a scanslator by accident, the more I think about it the more I wonder if it is appropriate for me to do so. I think I'll have to leave it at "trade secret".

>>10824265
>why would she assume Kosuzu would even want to summon a terrific youkai? And why would Kosuzu actually be motivated by that?

Because she was already summoning tsukumogami, night in, night out? Because she was just now opening the scroll she was explicitely told not to open? You sound like you think Kosuzu has just now decided to become a magical book expert. No, she wants to be "a cool expert like Mamizou" from the start, that appears to be the point of the entire manga so far. And cool experts do cool things, like making tsukumogami move with a flick of a wrist. Or like summoning cool youkai.

>if she wanted Kosuzu to abuse it

She probably doesn't want Kosuzu to abuse it, if only because it brings unnecessary attention to it. She clearly, certainly, indisputably wants the scroll to be used, because it creates the tsukumogami that work so well with tanuki and that she has been actively gathering. So she's telling Kosuzu how to use it responsibly, and as the last page reveals, the tip worked perfectly.

What's the alternative interpretation anyway? If she didn't want the scroll to be used at all, she wouldn't tell Kosuzu to keep using it. And if she wants it to be used, she wouldn't try to scare Kosuzu, since that would be more likely to end with the scroll being kept shut forever.

>the fascinating and narcissistic tale of how I became a scanslator by accident

Pardon the rudeness, but I'm not interested in your life story, I'm just interested in the raws. If you're a part of a secret underground warez mafia that only shares their scans with you if you pass a cruel initiation ritual and will kill you if you leak their secrets, you can just say so and leave it at that. I'll understand.

>>10824672
>Because she was already summoning tsukumogami, night in, night out?

She wasn't summoning them, she was just reading the book and they turned up on their own from the book's magical aura. She didn't even realize what was happening, as was made clear in her own monologue about how she was surprised that the book had this effect.

Maybe you're not making a distinction between "book expert" and "summoner"? She's not reading books so she can summon youkai, that's just a side effect of reading books. Mamizou making tsukumogami follow her was cool, but so was instantly seeing past her facade, knowing exactly how much it's safe to read a magic book, and in general just being a confident and wise adult. She doesn't want to be a magician, she wants to be a sage, if that makes sense. Personally I felt she was more impressed with the knowledge than the power. Knowing how NOT to summon youkai is just as important achieving her goal.

>What's the alternative interpretation anyway?

That she wants Kosuzu to use it responsibly? She doesn't want it used too often, because that led Marisa right to her, but she doesn't want it never used either. So she tells Kosuzu to use it sometimes but warns her not to use it too often. Keep in mind that Kosuzu in her "natural state" was using the book every night. She wants to, and Mamizou knows that. Since it's already a temptation for her, saying that any use is okay is going to make it happen. There's basically no danger of Kosuzu getting scared away from it. It's simply marking the boundaries of the safe limit.

I suppose you could also interpret it as "you can only use it once a month or else you'll get caught" and the "cool youkai" is just an afterthought, but I don't really see why Kosuzu would be impressed by such behavior. If she wanted to be a powerful magical burglar she'd probably be looking up to Marisa, not Mamizou.

>and will kill you if you leak their secrets

Close enough.

Can i not into perspective or are Kasen's legs really long on the cover?

>>10824895
>was made clear in her own monologue about how she was surprised that the book had this effect.

It's not clear. She's using a phrasing that may indicate being surprised, but not outright stating that she was, much less by what exactly. Look at the tsukumogami gathering under her nose at the store and how she tries to turn everyone's attention away from them and the scroll. It seems to me that fine details are the most she's unaware of here. Especially since being naive and absent-minded enough to literally not notice anything weird (like she claims to) would go against her characterization as cunning and manipulative (and reckless) established in the previous storyline.

Now that I think about it, the previous storyline already has her explicitly doing what amounts to summoning a youkai.

>Mamizou (...) more impressed with the knowledge than the power (...) goal.

We're not disagreeing here.

>She doesn't want it used too often (...) Kosuzu in her "natural state" was using the book every night. She wants to, and Mamizou knows that. (...) It's simply marking the boundaries of the safe limit.

That sounds perfectly plausible, but then again, the story still ends with the scroll powering up and everyone aware of it (and that group almost certainly includes at least Mamizou) is fine with it, so whatever the safety measure is supposed to prevent, it's not that.

>>10826226
>She's using a phrasing that may indicate being surprised

So basically your argument relies on ignoring the normal meanings of two separate turns of phrase, the first that implies Kosuzu is surprised and the second which implies Mamizou thinks summoning something terrible/terrific is bad? I just think it's taking too many liberties in order to force an interpretation.

>Now that I think about it, the previous storyline already has her explicitly doing what amounts to summoning a youkai.

Which she did because she thought it was a pushover that she could use for a mundane task before dismissing easily. That's the opposite of an "awesome" youkai. If anything, I think her problem is that she doesn't think of youkai as at all impressive in any sense. She routinely underestimates them and thinks she can just rely on Reimu/Marisa to clean up all her messes. Which to me sounds like the opposite of wanting to summon an "awesome" youkai.

>Especially since being naive and absent-minded enough to literally not notice anything weird (like she claims to) would go against her characterization as cunning and manipulative

Honestly, I she's portrayed as just kind of stupid. While her "all-smiles, naive little girl" attitude is clearly just her being a friendly shopkeeper trying to butter up her customers, that doesn't mean her true self is particularly cunning. She makes incredibly stupid decisions like releasing the smoke monster without a plan to put it back, she tries to drink the super trap sake Akyuu was just claiming could knock out a dragon, and she's the butt of silly jokes about misinterpreting the "Fall" of various things. Not to mention she naively trusts Mamizou to the point of fangirling with sparkles and everything.

I think the way she acts around Akyuu is pretty indicative of her true character (incidentally, it's kind of implied that Akyuu was a co-conspirator in releasing the smoke youkai). Akyuu is a bored teenager who thinks she knows everything.

>>10826764
I meant Kosuzu in the final sentence, not Akyuu.

>>10826764
>So basically your argument relies on ignoring the normal meanings

But at least it's not relying on breaking a semantical Ockham's razor.

>That's the opposite of an "awesome" youkai.

Relatively speaking, it's pretty awesome compared to cute little tsukumogami. She's certainly not beyond doing that, which was the point.

>she doesn't think of youkai as at all impressive in any sense

Apparently. No disagreement here.

>wanting to summon an "awesome" youkai.

Mamizou's words, not Kosuzu's. Besides, same goes for "terrible", in that case.

>Honestly, I she's portrayed as just kind of stupid.

Whatever your opinion on her intellect, she has already shown she has enough sense to not tell people about the weird things she does. Actively lie about it, in fact. This is enough to suspect her of not being honest when something weird happens around her yet again. And her being unskilled in trying to hide things might prove her stupid just as well. Just not that kind of stupid.

She's shown as suspicious. Other characters are suspicious about her. Why wouldn't we readers?

>she's the butt of silly jokes about misinterpreting the "Fall" of various things

Just like pretty much every Touhou who ever had any contact with outside world materials.

>>10827605
>But at least it's not relying on breaking a semantical Ockham's razor.

What Ockham's razor? That when Mamizou talks about "accidentally/unfortunately" summoning a monster that she means to encourage Kosuzu to do it? Frankly your idea seems nonsensical to me as a natural reading of the text. How is it the "simplest answer" to anything?

Regarding the other line, she expresses surprise/mild disbelief that the scroll had been creating tsukumogami. You say it's not clear what she was surprised by, and technically that's true, in that it could be either that tsukumogami are being created or that the scroll is responsible, but both of those options imply that she had no idea that her use of the scroll was creating them. She's not expressing surprise over the exact metaphysical mechanics of it, and there's simply no way to read it that she is.

>She's shown as suspicious

Of course she's suspicious. But I don't see how it follows that she wants to be a youkai summoner, or that Mamizou would know that she wants to be a youkai summoner and use that as encouragement. Basically you're equating two things that as far as I can tell have nothing to do with each other.

>>10828972
>What Ockham's razor?

I don't see any さもないと in the original sentence.

>Frankly your idea seems nonsensical to me as a natural reading of the text.

Maybe I'm just autistic, but the only natural reading of text is by the letter. Interpretation comes later. This particular text says, put roughly since I'm not a translator, "someday a terrific youkai will also be summoned". Not more and not less.

What it is meant to signify is another story, and well, if you're 100% sure it should be interpreted as a warning, just trust your wits. But I will trust mine.

>both of those options imply that she had no idea that her use of the scroll was creating them

She must have had an idea that something in her shop was summoning them, and she was trying to hide it. And it's not much of a stretch to assume that the scroll was not the only thing she meddled with, she's studying those book in general, after all. Especially with how thrilled she is with it (and how she continues using it afterwards, this time clearly aware of its effects), I see no way the nuance could be interpreted as something like "but I never meant to..." instead of "so that's what's been happening" (yes, maybe even "so that's how I did it").

But I guess in the wider picture you can always spin it into "she's just trying to protect her books, being fine with cute little tsukumogami being summoned does not imply being fine with something scarier being summoned" and I'll have no counter to that.

>I don't see how it follows that she wants to be a youkai summoner

But it doesn't need to. It's all hypothetical so far anyway, but she may be fascinated with books themselves and still want to feed the scroll for it to get stronger. Once a month.

>or that Mamizou would know

Suspect.

>>10829261
>I don't see any さもないと in the original sentence.

Very true. That's certainly the strongest point on your side. But the rest of the sentence strongly implies it's a bad thing. 恐ろしい can sometimes mean terrific, but usually it means terrifying. ってしまう has strong connotations of "unfortunately". The sentence feels so strongly negative to me that the "or else" was implied.

>She must have had an idea that something in her shop was summoning them, and she was trying to hide it.

Well, probably, but my point was simply that she wasn't using to scroll for the purpose of summoning them. They were a side effect that maybe she was intrigued by, but summoning youkai isn't her motivation for messing with the scrolls. I feel like she just enjoys reading them.

>It's all hypothetical so far anyway, but she may be fascinated with books themselves and still want to feed the scroll for it to get stronger.

But she didn't even know she was feeding it. And she still doesn't, because Mamizou never told her.

>>10833092
Upon consideration, that was indeed too much of a longshot. I'm now (after spending way too much time thinking about it) more inclined to interpret the line as "[use the scroll sparingly,] It will be summoning scarier youkai someday" (or "it will also summon scary youkai someday" to stay fully literal), with その絵巻を使うの carrying over as a topic/subject. It's taking almost no liberties with the original and logically follows the previous sentence, but, perhaps more importantly, it also doesn't break my intuition about what Mamizou should have been saying in that context - it sounds much more like an encouragement, and much more like a friendly warning rather than like a scare or threat, for example.