/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Stop being dumb and stating things when you've clearly not studied the language long enough.

they'll lose the coooru factor

>>10741883
>Studying nipponese
>being this weeab

Why the fuck don't they write in romajii?

>>10741879
Why don't they just switch to the objectively better English?

I once met a Japanese guy who said he didn't like kanji and thought it shouldn't be used anymore.

>>10741897

Japanese is cool, japanese letters are retarded

>>10741892
because kanji meaning is important to the language. homonyms

>>10741883
Fun fact:

Everyone that isn't past the individual kanji grinding stage and haven't moved on to vocab thinks like this. Just ignore their stupidity and lack of experience and move on.

>>10741879
ho you reijiasu ameriken

>>10741904
I'm sure Japan considers English cooler. Besides, the only thing a change in language would effect is making it more accessible.

>>10741879

When you die.

>>10741908
>individual kanji grinding stage
wtf is coming after that I'm still working on my fucking kana

>>10741879
Dude, you go fucking idea about eastern Alphabet. Vocals or anything. You can stop trolling now.

>>10741879
>>10741897
I hope you two have an horrible death, you're both cancer

Because there would me fun word games

>>10741935
>Dude, you go fucking idea about eastern Alphabet.
You sure go no idea

>>10741936
Learn English properly please

>>10741938
Yet you answered my post in English and not Japanese. If you love Japanese so much why not use it all the time? It would make it easier for people to ignore your worthless posts.

>>10741942

Because there would be no funny word games

>>10741942
Learn the punctuation please.

>>10741908
Fun fact:

Everyone who studies kanji individually is an idiot.

>>10741879
>kanji
>alphabet
ahahaha, also enjoy your 1,000,000,000 homophones.

>>10741955
Most people do though. See RTK method.

>>10741958
Homophones are easy and good for puns.

>>10741962
>RTK method
does that even work?

>>10741973
Don't know. I used KD because fuck mneomnics. Radicals is all I need.

>>10741955
You're a fucking idiot who doesn't know that people actually might enjoy learning something their own way. Eat shit.

>kanji is needed because homonyms

1. how are they able to speak to each other then if there are 'so many homonyms' and it would be 'impossible' to know what they were saying?
2. originally the language was hiragana only. how did they read tale of genji which was written in hiragana? how about games that are kana only?

>>10741966
yourr right and they often are.

doesnt change the fact that kanji is neccessary because of japanese homophones.

>>10741906
>>10741958

So, people speak with kanji as well?

>>10741978
>Radicals is all I need.
Indeed.

>>10741951
No butthurt, pretty please~.

>>10741981
>so many homonyms
Context.
>originally the language was hiragana only.
>hiragana
No.

>>10741983
>Speak with kanji
Wait... What? How the hell one does that...?

>>10741995
Valid response, nice talking to you, cocktrotter.

There are just too many homophones when it comes to Sino-japanese words. The newbies don't know this yet, but written Japanese would be a total mess without kanji.

>>10741981
context, which is gained through a variety of methods when speaking, but are more subtle and unclear in writing.

kids have limited vocab

mostly a relic of the times. its like why cavemen communicated witj ooga booga. it probably worked for them but we needed to develop actual languages to.really communicate.

at the end if the day, it grew the way it did becausre it made it easier. it may look like a clusterfuck today, but trying to read without kanji would just make it a bigger, but doable, pain in the ass

>>10742010
That's the point. It's proof that the "you need kanji for meaning" argument is bullshit.

>>10741983
There's a clear difference between people that has spent their entire life being engrossed in the language compared to a gaijin that power grinds it within 2 years.

Kanji makes Japanese easier to learn to people completely foreign to the language and gives everything more context.

Fucking fuckheads why do you overuse sage so much?

>>10742023
You obviously never read a book in japanese,

>>10741941
I fucking do. You don't. It is where every te-e and so on can mean a different thing. Meanwhile in western language words become much longer because they can't use it because of their greek alphabet.

>>10742039
YOU ARE NOT MAKING A COHERENT POINT, FAGGOT!

>>10742023
You obviously don't read something like a japanese newspaper or a book.

>>10742031
>written Japanese would be a total mess without kanji.

Like spoken Japanese?

>>10742041
>>10742062

I can read just fine. I'm saying that hiragana and spaces would make it just as legible. Plus, nobody else would have to suffer from having to learn kanji. I had a professor who used to only write emails in romaji because their computer was shit, and there were no problems with understanding anything.

>>10742093
>I can read just fine. I'm saying that hiragana and spaces would make it just as legible.
this so much

>>10742084
It's all about the context, C-O-N-T-E-X-T~♪

>>10742093
いがくけんきゅじょ

>suffer from having to learn kanji
>it takes 2 months at most to learn and at the same time making it easier on you when you start vocab which you'll be doing for a long ass fucking time

lel

>>10742117

>You are still in deep shit because Kanji is almost unreadable on PC

>tfw can read kanji but have trouble with games that are pure hiragana

>>10742018
It was nice to chit-chat in this board, thank you Mr. Fag Anon.

>>10742108
Context still exists in written language

>>10742123
Sorry, but that's just you.

>>10742123
>Kanji is almost unreadable on PC

It's perfectly readable once you learn them. Just saying.

Nice sage fest bros

>>10742123
All kanji is unreadable if you haven't learned it yet.

>>10742139
You've just learned the co-locations, don't lie.

You have to understand that traditional Chinese is much more advanced system than Roman alphabet. I believe in future we might all be using Chinese writing system because it is more accurate, maybe more complicated but it can deliver meaning much better than outright Roman alphabet.

Roman alphabet is much younger compared to Chinese writing system anyway. Roman alphabet is not perfect at all just much more simplified. But in the end Chinese writing system is much more conventional and advanced than Roman alphabet could ever be. It would be sole insanity to try to learn Roman alphabet and apply it on everything since it is just simple but less efficient.

>>10742143

>>10742117
2 months to learn kanji or an hour to learn just hiragana. Also, that 2 months doesn't help you write them, only recognize them, but I realize we were talking about reading. And yeah, it helps learning vocab as much as learning all the roots in english; it's neat, but it's unnecessary and wastes time.

i'm from china.
我是从中国来的。
I learnt chinese and english when i was small and our school teaches them.
我小时候就有在学校里学英语和华语。
I don't hate blacks and i don't think anybody here would.
我不鄙视黑人，觉得大家在我国也有同样的看法。
I'm also studying japanese now to watch anime.
我现在在学日文，想多看日本动画。
Can anybody here teach me japanese?
有没有人肯教我日本语？
nice to meet you americans.

>>10742131
Actually I was referring about >>10742084 idea of "Mess at speaking Japanese" to be clear once you actually knows the conversational context.

>>10742165
I’m watching this now with my family and my granpa is winning the cumbucket challenge thx op 10/11

Typical Americartman, notice how the "objectively better" choice is always whatever's simple and easy?

Flabericans believe:
Latin alphabet is superior to Chinese ideograms
Poker is better than the competitive and complex mahjong
The Bible is better than the Buddhist sutras
Call of Duty is better than Starcraft
Twilight and Hary Potter are better than Journey to the West and Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Sex with American girl is better than sex with Asian woman, American girls don't bother to shave down there even?

Fatericans hate learning, they love simple instantly gratification.

>>10742156

People want to discuss and sage to not bump the thread in the same time. That doesn't even make sense

>>10742164
You're funny. Try grinding 5000 words with kana only and see how much of that sticks.

>>10742177
>>10741908

>>10742179

>>10742146
Actually, I'm not an idiot like >>10741955, so I learned properly and didn't even start on compounds until I ground my 2000+ individual kanji to perfection. And before that, I didn't learn complex kanji until I could recall all of their components.

You simply memorize all their shapes sooner or later.

>>10742176
Also masturbating to 2D loli is better than sex with a 3D woman.

That's the best American belief on /jp/ after all.

they're not gonna drop the kanji. it's too much fun to see lazy Westerners like you get butthurt

>>10742179
Sage your post when it's off-topic or unimportant.

>>10742197
Some of the kanji on the pc are a real mess, and once you move onto the less used ones they do become difficult do decipher, but that's just my experience.

>>10742177
I learned a lot of vocab from speaking first. That's pretty similar, and I didn't have problems with it.

>>10742166
I know that it is all about context, but like this one >>10742131 says, context also exists in written language
I know how Kanji are usefull in written japanese, the problem is that they dont reflect in spoken language. Whats the point of having something so important in the written language when they dont have anything like that in the spoken language?

>>10742173
I don't know what you are saying, it makes no sense.
听不懂你再说什么,这啥意义？
I'm am serious when i say i'm looking for help in japanese.
我是真心想学日本语的！
Hope someone here can teach me!
希望有人在这能教教我。

I think that writing in Kana with spaces would get the job done.

>>10742222
i fapped so hard mine dong flew out da window i here its in china now

>>10742220
Well there's a reason they often have Japanese subtitles on television.

>>10742211
You're going to have problems with the scans of Berserk in Japanese.

>>10742211
When you're on a PC, in the worst case you can just enlarge them.

>>10742222
need help too. Like some kind of guide what to do when.

>>10742231
Nothing on that page is hard to read.

>>10742234
Subtitles doesnt exist in a real life conversation


How do japanese understand each other when talking face to face if they cant use Kanji then?

>>10742246
Those who didn't study individual kanji won't be able to read that 鷹.

>>10742255
they don't. That language is just fubar. Why do you think they need to work so long just to get the same ammount of shit done a westerner does in 7hours.

>>10742246
For that guy it will.

>>10742262
>鷹
This just looks wrong.

>>10742220
yes i agree, as a chinese.
Japanese has alot of ways to read for a particular kanji while chinese doesn't have it often.
我同意这点，日本的字很多读法，不像华文多数都只有一个读法。

>>10742197
Yeah, you go girl. Call him an idiot back. That will really show him and totally justify the time you wasted studying kanji individually.

>>10742246
I agree. It can get hard for people if you don't know certain kanji or words though.

>>10742262
I can identify the radicals, but I didn't know the meaning. Am I good?

>>10742275
>wasted studying kanji individually.
okay whats the fucking alternative?

>>10742281
Yes. You can easily learn it if you know all components. Gratz man.

>Their existing writing system is great

No I think you've just invested so much time into learning it that you can't admit conventional alphabets are better. I'm sure for people here knowing how to read Japanese is your only remarkable skill and the very thought of that being made obsolete, though it's obviously not going to happen, must be horrifying.

>>10742179
get out, crossboarder

>>10742262
I know! A punch!

>>10742284
read the thread.

>>10742297
shut up, you are assuming things.

>>10742279
i know these kanjis because i studied chinese, but i still don't know japanese.
我可以认这些汉字因为我学过华文，但是还对日文感到陌生。
How can i improve?
要怎样才能搞好日文？

>>10742311
I am. I don't know you personally so that's the best I can do.

>>10742262
Which I assume you know because you have tried to read it both after learning japanese without learning kanji individually, and also in another life where you learned japanese after learning kanji individually?

>>10742298
My ship sails tomorrow. You'll have to wait until then.

>>10742318
Noone here will help you to be frank. This board is made of shitposting and childish behaivor. There is a language-text board which is semi-dead but there are helpfull japanese threads.

>>10742318
Learn the kana, then go with Core 2000 and Tae Kim's grammar. Or just get Genki. Honestly, whatever you do will not be that hard since you know the kanji already.

>>10742338
You are amazing for not beeing an asshole. Do you know where to find readable answer sheets for the genkei workbook examples. I tried googleing but found only shit.

>>10742262
It's quite remarkable to be able to read it though.

>>10742345
Nope. But actually, if you're fluent in chinese it might be better to look for a japanese textbook in chinese. That way it would assume you already know kanji, so the learning would be tailored better to you.

>>10742361
Sorry I'm not the chinese guy. Just wondering myself. Sadly the German textbooks on this subject are horrible, as far as I heard. So English will have to do. Thanks for answering though

>>10742335
what would that board be?

>>10742360
I assume they've been calling it 鷹の団 for a while, and it has the た・・・ before it as a hint as well. So in context I think it would be a lot easier.

>>10742360
Everyone that has watched Berserk would now. Just seeing の団 is enough. I think they had furigana for it when they first introduced it in the manga aswell.

>>10742371
>>>/lang/
like I said it's pretty dead

When will Nips drop that fucking retarded alphabet of kanjis and start using the objectively better korean alphabet?

>>10742432
Well the Korean one looks really pretty.

>>10741879
A syllabary is not an alphabet dipshit.

>>10742458
>A syllabary is not an alphabet dipshit.
Sounds like you haven't sucked dick in a long time. Maybe you should go suck one right now and will feel better.

>>10742458

Kanji isn't a syllabary, retard.

>>10742479
No but the kana are, retard.

>>10742484
fuck u, retard

>>10742318
Jesus fucking Christ bro you can barely write Chinese stop it it's painful to read

>>10742484

Op never said anything about kana, fuckwit.

>>10742497
He never actually said anything about Kanji either, fuckwit.

>>10742505

It's right there in the picture, imbecile.

>>10742513
But he said "alphabet" and I was willing to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't actually be stupid enough to confuse a logograph with an actual alphabet.

Imbecile.

>>10741879
Probably around the same time when English speaking countries start to write stuff the way it's pronounced

>>10742522

You say that after OP is seriously proposing that Japanese should be written with the Latin alphabet?

Moron.

>>10742544

That's why polish is the best launguage

>>10742544
why do people bother to comunicate at all. So pointless.

>>10742565
>That's why polish is the best launguage
No fucking way I kill my tongue every time I try to order a fucking beer.

>>10742565
>polish
>best language

Come back after you've invented vowels.

>>10742559
Well some of us aren't so petty as to think that everyone posting here is actually retarded.

Moron.

>>10742578

The fuck are you talking about

>>10742623
Δ please

>>10742624
delta please?

>>10742624
gtfo you moneyless piece of Greece shit.

>>10742575

Polish is still objectively the best language. It's hard but you can tell much with few words

>>10742647
According to that logic fucking chinese would be the best writing system. Which sucks.

>>10742656
English
>We are not having

Polish
>Nie mamy

English
>I am going to kill you

Polish
>Zabiję was

How can launguage where second person and seventh person are exactly the same be good?

>>10742669
Meh I like your beer, you did well and I shall accept your language as superior as long as you keep brewing tyskie.

>>10742669
what

>>10742677

Tyskie is fucking piss
There is no real beer in this century

>>10742685
Fuck you I love it. What do you drink?

>>10742691

Apple juice and Fresh Water.

>>10742678

He meant that in english you need to use many words to describe shit

>>10742696
this is disgusting

>>10742165
Isn't 4chan blocked from China?

>>10741912
It's "affect", you stupid lazy fat fuck.

>>10742712
maybe he escaped on a boat when he was young.

>>10742740
You can effect change, nerd.

>>10742712
You can post from China if you bought 4chan pass

I'm using Heisig to learn.

3 months in and I'm on lesson 12.

>>10742761
>Heisig
can you read raws already?

>>10742706
I don't speak polish, but I'm pretty sure that his translations don't mean 100% the same.

>>10742794

I'm polish and his translations mean 100% the same

>>10742804
So the first one implies that the action is currently in a progressive state and the second one implies that it is a plan and not a prediction, yes?

>>10742794
>I don't speak polish, but I'm pretty sure that his translations don't mean 100% the same.
I'm not polish neither but I think you're a huge cunt.

>>10742808

Are you using translator? You fucking do

>>10742712
Google's captcha is what's blocked. Ergo, you can post with a 4chan Pass.

>>10742819
Well, I know russian so I can somewhat understand it.

>>10742808
Maybe, im not that good in english
Yes

I think you should start asking the Chinese First

日本語はメチャメチャ簡単だよ～

>>10742846
>日本語はメチャメチャ簡単だよ～
Didn't you read the thread? Romanji now bitch.

>>10742773
Considering lesson 12 is around 250 kanji, no.

>>10743036
250 Kanji in 3 Months, are you shitting me?

>>10743069
Shut up, I didn't study everyday and I was in lesson 8 for like a month.

You're supposed to end with the 2100 kanji with Heising in about 2-3 months
I feel awful

>>10743072
what did you read for grammar?

>>10743090
Nothing.

>>10743092
how do you understand anything then?

>>10743105
bbq

>>10743098
I don't.

>>10743103
wtf

>>10743098
who said he's reading anything? all he said is he's doing kanji with heisig, albeit very slowly.

>>10741879
I dunno.

>>10743108
But that sounds fucking boring and pointless.

>>10742165
>>10742222
>>10742276
>>10742318
>Chinese
ㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎ

I happen to be an expert on this subject.

Japan has a problem with 汉字 because they adopted the system directly from China, along with a huge set of basic civilization words, which are known as on-readings (example: 图书馆 = tushuguan = toshokan). Then some words have "native" kun-readings. Then they have specific name readings. I recall some 汉字having 8 different readings not even always depending on context. In that regard it indeed would be better if nippons just ceased to use that multilayered mess, but keep reading.

Homonymes: Japan actually doesn't have that many homonyme words, it just looks like it because they take the first syllable of a word, give it a corresponding 汉字 with on-reading and then fill the blanks with hiragana. That's a illusion of a lot of homonymes, not reality. As a bonus, having a symbol telling the exact continuity for the word makes reading shit tons faster. Reading hiragana-only is a pain. You can consider that kanji as combination of capitalization & spacing. Japan also has a pitched accent semi-tonal system similar to Swedish, which further gives edge in spoken language.

汉字 in general: composed of 214 different radicals, out of which 40 are common. Learning radicals makes it easy as shit to learn 汉字, because you don't need retarded mnemonics since radicals are automatic mnemonics. Best example: 宿 has literally hundred people under roof by radicals, easy to guess it has something to do with commodations.

Now my anime has finished downloading, 再见

>>10743250
>Japan also has a pitched accent semi-tonal system similar to Swedish, which further gives edge in spoken language.

I just have to add to that, that anglo-saxons ignore that completely for some odd reason, making their japanese sound incorrect. No exceptions.