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Rabbits with 50s ray guns beat Yukari. Your question is dumb as HELL.

I already beat Yukari, and by "beat Yukari", I mean I beat her off (she has a dick) ^__^

Why are so many Touhous' eyes red?

>>10696864
Eirin and possibly the Watatsukis. Really, most Lunarians seem like they might be able to.

Anyone else? Screw that. Anyone who tells you Yukari was talking about anything more than a lecture from or argument with Eiki when she talked about her those two times, is a faggot. Yukari can totally beat Eiki.

I like to think that Yuuka can fight Yukari on equal terms too, but that's just my headcanon. Well, even if Yuuka would lose to Yukari, she's still strong.

Reimu
Eiki
Toyotsuki no waratinghy
Watoyuki no yotothinghy
Eirin Yagokoro
Marisa on meth
Sakuya could stop time and stab her in the face, like 9 times
Kanako because she's like unstoppable compressed rape
Fujirawaka no Moko
Yuuka too maybe.

>>10696941
>Kanako because she's like unstoppable compressed rape
Oh, please. She can make knives rust real fast, big whoop.

>>10696945
The Lunarians thought Kanako (Takeminakata) was dangerous enough that they sealed her with some super big shimenawa. Also, Kanako is apparently an offspring of Okuninushi, who was lord of Japan until those heaven faggots came down. Another thing is that I'm pretty sure one of Kanako's domains is war.

Also, ability to manipulate the sky is pretty cool beans.

>>10696967
>The Lunarians thought Kanako (Takeminakata) was dangerous enough that they sealed her with some super big shimenawa.

Are you really sure you're interpreting that correctly?

>>10696980
Hm... It was said in SSiB chapter 19. But maybe I interpreted it wrong? How did you interpret it?

>>10696986
Not him, but I don't even remember Kanako being mentioned in SSiB.

>>10697014
It's just a minor detail on one page of chapter 19.

>>10697014
>It is revealed in chapter 19 of Silent Sinner in Blue that the Lunarians created and use shimenawa rope to seal away those that are a threat to them. Kanako's shimenawa at her back is confirmed to be actual shimenawa in her Mountain of Faith profile. In addition, in Suwako's profile, it is stated that Kanako was one of several gods fighting to unify Japan, and it was implied in Silent Sinner in Blue that it was the Lunarians who were behind those wars (assuming taking away Lord Daikoku's lands referred to the actual time that happened in Shinto mythology by Amaterasu's family, whom are implied to be the Lunar Capital's founders). The Lunarians even used shimenawa to seal another god at the Moriya shrine. However, it is unknown if Kanako was connected to, in league with, or aware of any of this.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Kanako_Yasaka

Huh.

>>10697066
>it is stated that Kanako was one of several gods fighting to unify Japan
I don't remember this. Isn't Kanako just a land god who was defeated by Takemikazuchi and then fled to Suwako's land?

>>10696986
Having reread the chapter, I don't what what to think anymore. Maybe you're right about this. I guess you are.

>>10696928
I believe it to be a low level illusion spell that anyone capable of danmaku can cast at will.

>>10696986
I didn't interpreted it as Kanako being the one sealed in the shimenawa. I interpreted it as being another god, related to lord daikoku.

If she was sealed in the shimenawa, she wouldn't be walking around freely or be the god worshipped at Suwako's shrine, would she?

>>10696894

>Rabbits with 50s ray guns beat Yukari.

No, they can't.

I think a good number of the high-but-not-quite-silly powerful 2hus could take her in a straight up fight, but the thing with Yukari is that it's never a straight up fight. She's like Batman. If she has a few hours worth of prep time she can take anyone.

Any Touhou can beat Yukari if the plot calls for it.

Why can't Yukari just separate the boundary between someone and their life and instant kill them?

>>10697584
Because plot

>>10697598

Why can't she separate the boundary between the plot and the story?

Yorihime, Eiki, Suika, Eirin, Tenshi.

>>10697584
Because boundary control isn't as limitless and broken as random secondaries would have you believe. I still think Yukari is far and away the strongest character in the Touhou canon though.

>>10697621

Enlighten us then, "primary"

I'm sure she could at least separate the boundary between earth and another world and trap someone there permanently

>>10697614
2meta4ZUN

"When Amatsukamis decided to increase their influence on the earth, they sent Take-Mikazuchi to conquer Take-Minakata. They had the first sumo match which Take-Mikazuchi won. Take-Minakata then had his arms cut and fled to Lake Suwa, where he married to Suwa goddess, Yasakatome, and became the guardian god. "-MegamiTensei Wiki on Takeminakata

>>10697614
It would actually be kind of cool to see Yukari mess with the 4th wall or plot with some wacky boundary tricks, like jumping between manga panels/pages.

>>10697634
Please play Imperishable Night.

>>10697657

I did. I couldn't get past Reisen and gave up

>>10697664

>>10697673
translate it wabbos

>>10697682
Oh really? Do explain why I'm that much of a faggot.

>>10696924
My little anon can be this much of a faggot

>>10697684
>not getting the reference
hey man, are you gay or somethin

>>10697727
*Yukari

I'll give Yuuka something to beat. *whips out dick*

Why would anyone want to mess with her anyway? Isn't ''Do not fuck with Yukari'' written in big bold letter in whatever pass as a book of laws?

>>10696864
Even if every toho got together they couldn't beat Yukari Yukermo. Dumb question.

>>10697574

Please elaborate.

>>10697574

Please elaborate.

Gotta go fast... ze.

>>10698160
plot calls for it as in ZUN just says [name] beats Yukari. The story will then be laid out in such a way that Yukari will lose for whatever reason, even if she should win without any problems.

It can be stuff like:
-suddenly being really bad at danmaku
-losing because of some weird rules(ring out, time out, ect)
-forgetting about her powers for no reason
-just suddenly giving up during the fight
-losing on purpose
-can't use her powers right now
-getting attacked from behind and not being able to dodge
-enemy is immune against her powers
-underestimating the enemy and suddenly being knocked down
-any form of Deus ex Machina
-Yukari was actually poisened before the fight
-giving up before the fight even started
-ect

>>10698234

Aren't all Reimu's fights like that?

>>10696941
>Marisa on meth
>Sakuya could stop time and stab her in the face, like 9 times

:)

>>10698924
What the fuck are you smiling at shitstain?

Reimu is officially the strongest canon character in Touhou according to Zun. She has the ability to 'fly away from reality' making her impossible to hurt. She has to want to be beaten in order to lose.

technically the touhous can all trump each other. this is weird.

>>10699038
Well it would be weird if there were a hierarchy of characters who ALWAYS beat each other ALL THE TIME.

>>10699045
you're right! it would!

What a shitty question that only a newcomer in touhou could have asked.

Now a more reasonable question: If Yukari, Yuuka, Yuyuko and the Wakatsukis teams up, can they beat Shikeiki?

>>10699082
no

Could all of /jp/ satisfy Yukari's lust?

>>10696924
>Yukari can totally beat Eiki.

Oh boy. You're in for a though ride, anon. Well, allow me to enlighten you, because I'm a prick that like to randomly show my knowledge to the face of anonymous people on internet. And proud to do so.

Yukari is the strongest Youkai, that's canon. Words of Zun. Eiki is part of the heaven administration, and she's not very far from God, or whatever there is at the top. Words of Zun. Yukari couldn't beat Eiki even if she allied herself with Yuuka, Reimu, and a bunch of other characters I totally forgot. Again, Words of Zun.

That's more or less perfectly logical. You people forget that Eiki is not some backwater youkai invested in a secondary job, but a judge of the dead in the highest bureau of all reality. She's not even a Touhou so to speak, she's not in Gensokyo, nor is she terribly involved with it.

>>10699112
no

>>10699082
Power level shit in general is pretty terrible.

>>10699120
>She's not even a Touhou

Then what is she doing in a Touhou Project game?

>>10699143
cameo appearance

also cirno beat eiki

checkmate

>>10699134
In regard to what?

Powerlevel threads tend to be civilized discussions between different minded people rationally arguing with the pieces of an incomplete canon to find the truth. It's a hundred time better than the 'Would you fuck Yukari?' or 'My 2hu waifu is so qt!' threads we have habitually.

Reimu
Marisa
Sakuya
Alice
Patchouli
Youmu
Remilia
Yuyuko
Suika
Eiki
Yorihime
Toyohime
Wriggle
Mystia
Keine
Tewi
Reisen
Eirin
Kaguya
Mokou

Sorry if I missed anyone.

>>10699168
Touhou powerlevel threads are completely fucking pointless and awful besides, made of people wildly extrapolating canon and coming up with dumb scenarios to justify unfalsifiable claims.

>>10699181
fuck I forgot the sunflower fairy

I think Toyota is capable of pulling a "just as planned" over Yukari.

>>10699183
And 'Which 2hu would you fuck' threads are of course not pointless and awful? You're getting unreasonable anon. You're behaving like a child throwing a tantrum for no adequately explained reason.

>>10699183
>made of people wildly extrapolating canon and coming up with dumb scenarios to justify unfalsifiable claims.

I'm with that other guy. This description would honestly be better directed at every "Touhou fugging" thread ever.

>>10699206
>>10699211
I never said that "which Touhou would you fuck" threads weren't awful. The fact that "wch 2hu fuk" threads are shit doesn't mean that powerlevel threads aren't.

>You're getting unreasonable anon. You're behaving like a child throwing a tantrum for no adequately explained reason.
Fuck off and take your elaborate "U MAD"s and shitty powerlevel threads with you. Thanks.

I'd throw in Suika, Tenshi, Eiki, Yuuka, and maybe Yuugi as good bets.

>Would you fuck Yukari?
>which Touhou would you fuck
>Which 2hu would you fuck
>wch 2hu fuk
>My 2hu waifu is so qt!
The evolution of /jp/.

Yukari will never truly lose to anyone but another good guy unless it's needed for Reimu development.

>>10699045
ZUN already said that no character could beat Yorihime if he had put her in the games. I bet he actually regrets making spell card rules canon, because every attempt at making a character sound impressive falls flat on it's face with them in place.

test

>>10699120
>Eiki is part of the heaven administration, and she's not very far from God, or whatever there is at the top. Words of Zun.
Please enlighten me on the source for this.
>Yukari couldn't beat Eiki even if she allied herself with Yuuka, Reimu, and a bunch of other characters I totally forgot. Again, Words of Zun.
I believe the quote you're looking for is this from Seasonal Dream Vision:
>きっと、罪深き紫の桜を見に来たのよ。あの方には逆らえないから、ここは退却した方がいいわよ？
And people just love to forget the context of this: Yes, Eiki was approaching, but it makes no sense for them to all of a sudden start fighting to the death out of nowhere. Eiki does not interfere directly with the affairs of the living. The most she'd do is lecture them. So Yukari is most likely saying that there is no point in trying to argue with her.

>>10699082
I love how people think Eiki is near-omnipotent just because she is a jizou-turned-yama who judges dead people. She is very powerful, yes. But is she God with a capital G? No.

Shikieiki is basically an upgraded nendoroid.

>>10700538
I'd also like to add that Yorihime is so strong that she can't be beat even in a spell card duel,
(ZUN: >She's so strong, I could only get away with putting her in a comic, because you need to be able to defeat all of the bosses in the games and all. That't why I have to limit her appearances.)
And yet Eiki obviously can be, looking at PoFV. That potentially puts Eiki lower than Yorihime at least.

>>10700538
Most people go with the Eiki is the strongest thing because of one line in A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years

>>10700555
Yes, that's the very same line I just quoted in the post you're quoting.

>>10700558
Yeah, i noticed that after i hit submit as well

Power level aside, I just don't get this "Danmaku battle" shit.
Ability wise, Sakuya can just fucking stop the time and stab everyone in the face before they even know what heppened. But she will never do that. All she do is starting a pointless "Danmaku battle", throw a lot of knives stocked in her thigh and stop time, rotate every knives to different angles by hand, let the enemy dodges them, stop time, collect the wasted knives, and so on...

>>10700573
If everybody went all out all the time there would be less people left at the end of the day. Danmaku battle exists so people can fight without anybody dying.

>>10698234
Why are you incorrectly using hyphens as bullet points? Either do it correctly or stop being too autistic to use meme arrows.

>>10700575
Maybe he doesn't want them to be green.

>>10700575
I'm so sorry, next time i'll use • in combination with > and spoilers[/spoilers]

>>10700580
<then he should use a less-than sign, I like to think of it as a little speech bubble opener.

>>10700538
>>10700563
Eiki's position as Judge of the Dead means that she's a part of the cosmic bureaucracy that governs reality. Her very existence implies, at least on some level or another, the veracity of Buddhism's conception of existence and morality. To say that she's more or less powerful is to misunderstand her position: if you die within her jurisdiction, she will judge you by an absolute system of morality that supersedes modern conceptions of such. Whatever she decides has the authority of the powers that be, reality, god, or whatever you want to call it. Gauging her fighting prowess by that metric is a fool's errand.

>>10700538
>it makes no sense for them to all of a sudden start fighting to the death out of nowhere

It makes no sense for any Touhou to suddenly start fighting to death out of nowhere in any situation, therefore, by this logic, "when you consider context", any canonical statement regarding their strength is ultimately meaningless. Not that I disagree, I just want to make sure you know what you're saying.

That aside - claiming that some kind of fight to the death would be involved assumes Eiki and Yukari are roughly equals. Disregarding the possibility that Eiki's power is so high above Yukari's (and, by extension, others involved), that she doesn't need to use a deadly amount of force to assume full control. Just like you don't need a deadly force to make an infant go back to its bed. You just grab it and it has nothing to say on the matter.

>>10700590
The thing is that in Touhou, lots of religions seem to possess the same level of veracity.

>>10700602
>any canonical statement regarding their strength is ultimately meaningless.
This is a little different because the statement is "we better leave because there's no point" rather than just simply saying "she's way stronger than us." In this case, if Yukari is referring to Eiki's strength, or whatever, then that has to be the reason she's leaving.

>You just grab it and it has nothing to say on the matter.
In that case, let's say Eiki is going to do just that if she arrives and sees Yukari and the others there. Does that make sense?

>>10700590
That would make her weaker than the immortals.

>>10700615
It makes more sense than them running away without such threat present. Let's say she's going to lecture them, there's still a difference between them being able to leave in the middle of it and them being grabbed and made to listen to it all.

>the statement is "we better leave because there's no point"

No, it's "we can't oppose her". It may not directly say that they can't oppose her because she's stronger, but it's still a much stronger statement that you made it to be.

>>10700678
>that you made it to be

...than you made it out to be.

>>10700680
Nice catch, dude

>>10700678
Suppose you're a big strong high school delinquent, smoking on campus with some other big strong high school delinquents, when the furious class rep (4'11", 95 pounds) starts to storm over from a good distance away and deliver one of her legendary lectures.

"Ah, well, we can't fight her" just means that you want to get up and go elsewhere, not that you literally could not outfight her.

>>10700874
Okay, but then again, if Yukari is unwilling, rather then unable, to fight Eiki, the question remains - why. It's not because Eiki is a girl and youkai delinquents don't beat up girls, that's for sure. Compare Yuuka, who has no problem attacking her.

>>10701085
When has Yukari ever been shown picking random fights that serve absolutely no purpose? Why would she fight Eiki in the first place?

>>10700661
Yes, because she has no authority over Kaguya and Mokou. They cannot die, and so are beyond her control. They'll outlive the universe, and'll probably persist into the next one. I can't imagine any Enma dealing with them.

>>10700874
To extend the metaphor, we ask the question as to why the delinquents try to avoid the class rep even though they could overpower her. It is because she represents and acts in the stead of a higher power. Yeah, you can pants her, but then she's gonna go to the principal and get your ass expelled. So you can't fight her and you don't want to listen to her, so you just avoid her because it's easier. Again, the actual "power level" isn't really relevant here because Eiki possesses more authority. More accurately, she represents The Authority.

how le fuck could any1 beat someone who can instantly KILL them??

>>10700678
PMiSS, Eiki article:
>Nevertheless, youkai feel uncomfortable around Yamas, so whenever a Yama comes to Gensokyo, all youkai go into hiding.

I know that doesn't really address your second point, but maybe it's worth something.

Reisen beat Yukari before beaing Tenshi.

>>10701315
It's because the Yama will nag you to death.

It's like the stereotypical dreaded step mother coming to visit.

>>10701335
Pretty much. And Yukari is a youkai.

Additionally, it's possible that Yukari is just saying "we can't win argument against her."

>>10701335
I disagree. "Going into hiding" implies a far greater reaction, one that is essentially based on fear of something that cannot be fought against, overcome, or argued with. And, yes, while you could say that that applies to step-mothers as well, people deal with step-mothers. They don't run for the hills.

>>10701361
Most youkai can't beat Eiki, that much makes sense.

Most youkai aren't the boss of a Phantasm stage with the power to manipulate boundaries, though.

The answer is any youkai.

If we interpret the 'can' as 'has even a 1% chance of victory' then they can, because the Danmaku ruleset was put in place mainly to help handicap the strong vs the weak and to help resolve incidents without too much bloodshed.

So basically, anyone has a chance at beating Yukari so long as they're taking part in the spell card rules.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Draft_of_Spell_Card_Rules

After all, it's not all Human vs Youkai if we take the vs games (and any game with Youmu as a main character since she's not entirely human) into account.

>>If all your named spells are defeated, you are defeated, regardless of your remaining strength.

>>10701361
Why are you so insistent on Eiki being the strongest, especially when the whole spell card system was thought up by a youkai to prevent power levels from ever being an issue?

>>10701389
I'm not, not really. I'm arguing to be a devil's advocate; my personal position is that her relative power level doesn't really matter. In certain circumstances, her authority is absolute, and beyond those circumstances it doesn't really matter. Yukari is right, in that getting into a fight with Eiki is pointless, but the "no point arguing" interpretation makes more sense both given the circumstances and in general terms. I'm a bit biased, too, as Shikieiki is my favorite character.

>>10701365
This doesn't really count, but as the weight of the Rod of Remorse increases or decreases based upon the weight of sin, and given that all Eiki can always lift it, she must be strong as an oni.

Can Yukari change my gender?

>>10696864
Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Moukou, Suika, and maybe Remilia. And if you count pc-98 characters Evil Eye Sigma would fucking destroy her.

I just want to know one thing:

Can Mima beat Yukari?

>>10702237
can someone tell me wtf is happening in that pic??
source

>>10702212
Evil Eye Sigma for strongest Touhou character, yes?

>>10702311
Was that the one Rika made?

Man, I really liked her

>>10702313
Yes, Rika made it but she setup her ambush on the wrong road, so that's why you don't see Sigma until the Extra stage.

>>10697043
>>10697066
It could either be referring to Kanako's shimenawa or the big ass shimenawa at the Akimiya shrine(the shrine that Moriya shrine is based on). Just a wild guess.

YUKARIN A DICK

>>10703638
Which Touhou(s) can beat Yukari's dick?

What if weak 2hus Team up?

>>10703688
Keine.

>>10703690

>>10702277
Isn't it obvious? 2 Delinquent picking on a cute schoolgirl.

how about shinki

>>10703695

She may be able to gap shit. but she's still not the fastest or strongest 2hu. Any fast 2hu could smack her shit before she could react.

>>10705387
gap shield or gap body, you can hit but not kill