/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Could the change be at all responsible for the Window Era's far greater success?
No.

>>10620449
Those fucking faeries are still in the front page?!

Ugh, that stupid fucking fairy...

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Wiki#Get_rid_of_the_fairies

Please support my cause. I'm getting whipped, even though I know 90% of you agree with me. Grow some balls, make an account, and help me out here.

>>10620458
They won't go because the guys running the wiki are huge fans of that artist so any complaints are ignored or just seen as trolling.

>>10620463
>My my, that's a lot of words. Really angry ones at that. Don't do that, please. Oh well, at least the kindest part of the message was bolded. And yes, please leave a signature with your messages. Just simply add ~~~~ to the end of a message, and it'll automatically sign the message for you. I also noticed that you registered within the past few hours. Enjoy your stay here at Touhou Wiki!
>Holy shit, dude. I'm posting on a wiki about a Japanese doujin game series... and I'm thinking you need to get a life. It's very clear you just have a personal vendetta against Leo, and that all these new accounts are just your friends or your clones. I'm sorry, but what the fuck did he do to you to make you so angry?

I quit.

I think I'll just copy all their information and paste it on wiki.rei.mu.

>>10620458

Reimu - eastern, traditional, PC-98
Marisa - western, modern, Windows
I think that's why ZUN have chosen Marisa.

>>10620466
Since when has "trolling" meant criticism?
Dammit.

>>10620463
The fairies are cute.

>>10620463
Holy shit, these guys are assholes.

>>10620463
Have they ever said why they used those random fairies instead of characters that actually fit, like Aya for news, Prismrivers for music, ect.?

itt: butthurt about some images on the internet

>>10620516
lol thos tohous arnt fairys

>>10620463
My BALLS are HUGE, thank you very much!

>>10620516
That was brought up in the last archive, and I think it was something to do with Fairy Wars and "fairy invasion" being the theme. They didn't want to break it by using actually appropriate characters.

>>10620463
Looks like the admins have already said the fairies aren't going anywhere. Just give up. There's no hope left for that wiki.

>>10620463
>The fairies are going nowhere.

>I've had enough of the griping over the images. Although I do promote collaboration here and I like gathering consensus over decisions, this is still technically my site and as far as everything goes, I will still exercise final say over things when I feel there's tendentious activities going on.

>That's it. No more chewing over this. This horse is officially dead.

Welp.

Imagine actually caring about this.

They need to bring that reimu back

>>10620562
Get out touhouwiki devs.

>>10620544
so the guy is a nut with a thesaurus who doesn't really know english, running some kind of a game wikia, so who cares

>>10620567
Absolutely not. Breaks the fairy theme, which is the only thing excusing the stupidly inappropriate characters on the home page at all.

>>10620533
I will never understand that. Does the Tumblr generation of Touhou fans think about Fairy Wars first when they hear Touhou? As far as i know Fairy Wars is among the not so popular windows games. That's like saying Mario Clash should be the theme for the Mariowiki main page for some reason.

>>10620544
>>I've had enough of the griping over the images.

So basically:
"I accept there is a problem, but rather than approaching this in a mature or democratic way and reaching some sort of consensus or compromise, it's MY WEBSITE AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!1 >:((((("
?

>>10620463
tl;dr

Damn ugly faeries, but I'm not going to cut myself because of them.

If they bother you so much use stylish or something and replace them with something else.

>>10620567
Why and when did they remove box.png? Isn't it also drawn by their favourite artist? I really don't visit the front page that much.

>>10620593
Oh please cut yourself, whee

Post pics

>>10620587
It's honestly the worst game. I mentally see it as a non-canon fan game and I hope ZUN does too. I can only hope he had minimal involvement and it was simply an attempt to cash in on the worst comic.

But then again I guess it's popular because CIRNO STRONGEST BAKA (9) blah blah blah...

>>10620449
I'm sorry that your thread got completely derailed, I guess that's what happens when you post one of those fairies.

To answer your question, I think it's because witches are a lot more charming than shrine maidens, at least to an eastern audience. not only that but Reimu is already the main character. Marisa, while being on every game, is more of a secondary character. Maybe ZUN wanted to give her a little more exposure to make up for that.

>Could the change be at all responsible for the Window Era's far greater success?

All merit goes to the scarlet devil mansion.

>>10620593
I shouldn't be using a style script to get rid of something that shouldn't be there in the first place. Also suggesting style scripts should be a crime against /jp/ punishable with a week-long ban.

There's always the wikia.

>>10620623
Touhouwiki people log on to it just to edit articles and vandalize the wikia in general, or so I've heard.

Sakuya in the snow is at the very least less annoying than the touhou wiki's front page.

>>10620593
We've heard this argument before. The simple answer: I shouldn't have to. They shouldn't be there in the first place. No vote was held, they were just added, because a famous Tumblr person said "hi i drew u these ^__^" and the admin gobbled that shit right up. There should be no active process on my part to remove something that should not be there in the first place, and at the very least they should accommodate for the large number of people who don't want them, e.g. removing them by default or adding a way to get rid of them that doesn't depend on me adding an exception in my browser or downloading an add-on.

Someone should add those fairies to the wikia page. I wonder how long they would stay there.

So, is it time for a new wiki?

>>10620618
style scripts are nutty people wasting their own time and nobody else's, I think

But you're right, these guys are running a fansite about stuff they don't personally own. So their choice of fanart amounts to their trotting up, lifting their legs and spraying their scent on touhou and touhou fandom in general. Just in that one spot that they get to make decisions about, though, it could have been worse.

>>10620635
Exactly. It's not that they're some horrible abominations that ruin the whole site. It's that this is supposed to be a community run website.

>>10620631
Dire-looking Sakuya in the snow is in the site theme; she's on EVERY page. So's Aya winking and looking all shy.
Wikia is still much worse.

>>10620607
First question: don't know.
Second: yes.

Still waiting for them to add a giant Cirno in the background that scrolls with the page and music playing on every page.

>>10620669
Wikia wins by default on grounds of the art not hurting my eyes. In terms of fanon wank they tie though.

You should've censored the fairy, OP.

>>10620657
I'd honestly prefer it if one autistic person just wrote a Touhou encyclopedia by himself. Wikis are a clusterfuck of different people with different ideas, and they're overrated. I'd prefer a series of web pages written by one expert with a consistent style than a hundred near-experts arguing about whether the wiki is allowed to do a joke or not.

http://wakaba.c3.cx/w/gensokyo

This was written by !WAHa (the guy who wrote Wakaba and translated a bunch of shit) and it's more interesting to read than the entire wiki. Something like this but written by someone who actually has an intimate knowledge of the series, and with dedicated pages for certain comics and characters.

>>10620618
Damn, I wrote a long reply to your post but I clicked a bookmark accidentally and all was lost.

Fuck.

>>10620603
It's definitely the game I've played the least (discounting PC-98 games), but I still liked it. It was an interesting twist on the main series (just like STB and DS), and is a breath of fresh air when I'm sick of just dodging bullets.

>fanon
Is Dai-yousei the weed fairy?

>>10620697
Thank you for taking the time to write it.

Touhou wiki succeeded in making a shitty artist popular and a game hated from night to day, it seems.

I'm actually surprised that they didn't add a wiki page for that artist considering how much the admin loves him. It's not like there aren't enough unimportant pages already, like all the stuff for fanmade characters.

>>10620543
We could start DDOSing the site.

Or start a new wiki without faeries or "half phantoms".

>>10620714
I don't really mind that. I like when wikis are stupidly thorough.

>>10620669
I agree that Wikia is worse in principle, but at least the Sakuya art itself is not nearly as offensive as the poor art of the fairies. Seriously, even some pony-touhou fanart are actually better than this.

>>10620717
>DDOSing the site.
Oh for pete's sake

What are we now, /jp/ - /b/ with Touhou?

You faggots had better be commenting on that Talk page.

I'm serious. I hate the idea that you are just going to be all passive and whine then ignore it and get used to it weeks from now. Those fairies shouldn't be there, and you should do something about it by voicing your opinion.

>>10620685
Shii agrees with you.

>>10620732
I already commented. They disregarded my post entirely and threw passive-aggressive jabs about me being a new user and not adding a signature.

It's amazing that people who can't even read made it to editor status.

>>10620732
the autism speaks

>>10620729
Yes. This should be obvious if you spend any amount of time here.

>>10620732
Why? Momiji said they're staying and that's it.
They'd just blow off all the new accounts anyway.

wikia>wiki

>>10620705
I love to discuss stuff with /jp/.

And it's amusing to see how something that seems so trivial to most people, as a couple of shitty drawings marking a list, becomes a topic of such disturbance, and ends being discussed thoroughly.

Anyway, I still think you guys should just ignore that shit, it's easier that trying to convince "shit gobbler admins" to change their ways. Though, you are right about stuff like that needing a consensus of some kind.

Is it really that important to anyone? Fairies are still 2hus, so what's wrong with them being on the frontpage of 2hu wiki?

Other than artist and autist drama.

>>10620732
No point. The admin apparently already pulled the "It's my site so i do what i want" card. I just addblock all that shit.

I've filtered all with AdBlock, but I'm also tired of this shit. However, >>10620544 shows that the admins are a bunch of biased secondary idiots that don't agree with running the site as a community.

My opinion: abandon the site and move to rei.mu. Wikia is shit, and pooshlmer has been going downhill for a while, what happened now just confirms it's just going to get worse.

>>10620732
I don't know how the hell talking on that site works. I think that's true for a lot of people, though they won't say it.

>>10620750
dsfargeg

>>10620717
/jp/ never 3get neve5fgivce

Instead of trying to post there and be labeled trolls and get ignored, why not go directly to the touhouwiki irc to try to rationally and politely appeal? The key is to not be offensive and use any namecalling, because that's going to automatically make them defensive.

>>10620753
Because it wasn't a community decision, the fairies don't match the sections they're sitting on at all, and the art is iffy.

>>10620763
>My opinion: abandon the site and move to rei.mu

I like this idea.

If someone can write well, please at least try to do this. Maybe make some general textfiles and post them here first, even though it's a wiki. It'd be nice to see what you could come up with as a sort of beta test.

>>10620763
>My opinion: abandon the site and move to rei.mu.

I checked rei.mu a couple of minutes ago. Apparently it's been left to spambots. At least the complain page is full of spam.

I can't see a wiki relocation working out. Specially if /jp/ is the driving force behind it. Eventually people will lose interest in the project. Even if there's a ton of people in here with nothing to do, editing pages and translating stuff and adding information is too much work.

No shit, if you aren't just goofing around, and actually have a reason the site graphics need changing, you should be able to reason politely with them, like human beings. If not, don't expect much. People just learn to ignore it when the dog barks all the time.

>>10620785
Just steal everything from touhouwiki as a starting point.

>>10620763
pooshlmer seems to give no shit whatsoever about the wiki. Just look at this thread
http://www.pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/549213.html

Someone from /jp/ made that one when /jp/ was talking about the poor translation of EOSD some time ago. It's worse than most shitty threads on /jp/. Thankfully, pooshlmer is slow as fuck so that thread will never 404 and was easy to find again.

>>10620791
I'm working on that right now, actually.

>>10620785
Sadly, this is true.

I just want one well-versed person to write an encyclopedia.

Remember the web before wikis? When we had personal web pages? Just do that. Write some web pages that you and you alone wrote, using your knowledge of canon to construct a well-written overview of the various characters, stories, and settings. If someone has a correction to make, they can email you. Fuck wikis for anything that isn't factual and requires a large pool of experts from different fields.

>>10620785
In the end, impressionable 16-year-old tumbler-youtube abominations are a lot more productive than truHIKKINEET /jp/ anons who've been here since the split and are fluent in japanese and chinese.

>>10620800
POOSHLMER DEFENDS THEIR OWN WIKI, MORE AT 11.

For the newfags who don't know Touhou Wiki is the Pooshlmer wiki:
http://www.pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki

>>10620774
>Because it wasn't a community decision
Ok...
>the fairies don't match the sections they're sitting on at all
Sunny plays a game, Luna listens to music, Star reads a book. Who else would you have there anyway? Kaguya/Prismrivers(Miko?)/Patchouli? Fairies have a bonus of being sisters, while other characters would be coming from different games based on their connection to gaming/music/books.
>and the art is iffy
Not a big fan myself, but I've seen worse.

>>10620806
it is pool slimer?

>>10620785
The sad part is that you're probably right. Spam can be avoided with manual account verification on the worst case, and we could start from what we have, like >>10620791 said.

>>10620806
Most people there don't even defend it. They give no shit about what's going on there and just start insulting each other. Almost no post in that thread is about the EOSD translation besides the first ones.

>>10620817
We all get the link between the fairies, the point is that we don't give a shit. Even with shitscribbles by a Tumblr attention whore, I'd prefer characters that match more appropriately than fitting to a particularly group or game.

When you think Touhou and news, you think Aya, not Lily White. And yes, I get that the gimmick is that she brings news of Spring, but it's just forcing a square peg into a round hole.

>>10620817
>Ok...
What?

I can see what they're doing. None of them actually do that.
Yes, I'd have Prismrivers for music and Patchy for books and Aya on the news and all that. Because they, you know, fit those sections.
The fairies are set? Ok, so what?

>>10620753
Secondary magnet, meant to attract the bulbapedia audience. I'm paraphrasing what one of the editors said.

>>10620685
That's a good concept.

Shame it's unlikely that someone will make it a reality. I know for certain that I couldn't.

>>10620764
I'll second that.

>>10620852
>meant to attract the bulbapedia audience

What.

I think you guys are making a big deal out of a tiny little cosmetic feature.

>>10620862
Making a big deal out of a point does make said point any more or less valid.

I told you guys this would happen. I warned you when I saw the first pictures of this guy's art floating around /jp/. "I don't think we should acknowledge someone from tumblr", I said. You didn't listen. You kept posting it. You kept laughing at the bad jokes and overlooking the bad art. Then the wiki redesign came and you hoped it would last a week. Then a month. A year's gone by. Nothing changed. It's too late now.

>>10620843
>>10620847
>>10620852
Do what you wish then, I honestly don't care, even when I'm searching for something on wiki I'm searching via google out of habit so I don't see the frontpage that often.
>Secondary magnet
Is this really THAT bad?

>>10620874
Also I don't have a picture of ron paul saved in my pc since I don't go to /pol/ but pretend it's ron paul saying that if it makes it more funny to you.

>>10620862
Which isn't objectively even that bad, just visually. Kinda old-timey western fansite vibe to it.

But appealing to the wrong crowd of twits might piss off the opposing twits, and it looks like that's us.

>>10620862
- One-sided decision.
- Shitty Tumblr "artist" chosen for closeness to staff.
- Obvious appeal to secondary audience.
- >>10620872

How about we rip all the content from the touhouwiki (the english portion only) and transfer it to another site and just change the front page? Then we could do that every three or so months to keep up with the small updates. Meanwhile if shit comes out we can edit it ourselves and translate it ourselves.

You ignoring people and replying to yourself again?

Because the argument's been resolved five times already.

>>10620883
>Which isn't objectively even that bad, just visually. Kinda old-timey western fansite vibe to it.

If you weren't around during the golden age of geocities then you should shut your mouth and just say you like the front page. People will still insult you but at least you won't look like a complete faggot.

>>10620879
Have one.

>>10620899
Thanks!

>>10620878
>Is this really THAT bad?

Yes? It kind of undermines the appeal of Touhou for a lot of people when it's on the front page.

The fanon sections are already larger than the canon sections. Imagine if the Reimu page was:

"LOL she's poor!
ARMPITS ftw!
Not a slut like Sanae amirite?"

And all that took up the bulk of the page, with a few lines of "Also, in canon, she's..." below that.

That's effectively how I see the front page. Call me crazy if you want. I'm fine with fan stereotyping, but it's not something that belongs on a factual/reference wiki, and it's not the best first impression for people who aren't all that familiar with Touhou. "Here are some zany, non-manga style drawings from a Westerner Tumblr whore who does wacky Q&As from an out-of-universe, fan culture perspective! This is Touhou, everyone!"

>>10620685
That's not an encyclopedia, that's a high school HTML essay, and a shitty one at that.

Fuck the fairy hate, I just want random trivia shit about Touhou lore, I don't want to read some 9th grader's homework on his favorite video game.

>>10620896
Who are you talking to?

>>10620902
THANK YOU.

>>10620910
>That's not an encyclopedia, that's a high school HTML essay, and a shitty one at that.

How so? For one thing, Dag is in his thirties and INTERNET FAMOUS among old-school 4channers, and he's been a Touhou fan for years.

It's not perfect, but as an overview it's pretty solid.

>>10620897
whee, somebody on the internet's calling me a faggot

>>10620927
Cool post proving that you don't care, dude.

>>10620852
>secondary magnet
The wiki is about the game lore and random trivia bits, IE what secondaries care about. What were you expecting, a seeekrit club where only Lunatic players could enter and appreciate the special nuances of multicolored dots in a pattern?

>>10620902
I rarely read Touhou discussions/coments/articles outside 4chan (and, well, wiki) so it's still a shock for me every time I hear those secondaries stories.

>>10620862
Welcome to /jp/.

>>10620902
Well, at first I also thought this wasn't a big deal, but you're pretty good at speaking my language, there. I can't stand that fanon filth, but I just didn't associate those drawings with it.

>>10620931
Not him, but I'm expecting stuff to be handled carefully and to educate those secondaries so that at the end of the day we don't have to be dealing with people who think Aya is a slut (or Sanae), that Cirno is a baka and that Alice is tsundere for Marisa who happens to be a lady's girl. The front page pretty much assures anyone that that attitude is not only okay, it's to be expected of anyone who enjoys touhou.

>>10620902
Those fanon sections are among the worst parts of the wiki and often filled with shit, especially when a character is new. Who writes stuff like "[name] is considered a motherly character, so many artists have drawn lactation pictures of [name]" and thinks that this should be on the wiki? Thankfully, the staff at least removes that when it happens.

>>10620902
Fanon is larger than canon in Touhou, dipshit. Of course there's going to be a larger section devoted to fan assumed trivia instead of stuff we know, because ZUN barely gives us anything to work with.

>>10620933
4chan is exactly where you see a lot of secondary shit like "lol Sanae a slut" etc., so I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying at all.

>>10620951
Not on a wiki devoted to ZUN's Touhou. You can put that shit all over 4chan if you want, but keep it out of the wiki.

>>10620902
>Not a slut like Sanae amirite?

She is one.

>>10620945
If some people can't separate fanon from canon, then what's the problem? They aren't destroying your games from the inside out, they have a skewed perspective because they can't read obviously stated differences in facts and fan fiction. That's not a flaw of the site, that's a flaw with children.

>>10620963
>That's not a flaw of the site, that's a flaw with children.

If you read the talk pages you'd realize the site is run by children.

>>10620931
Spout words whose meaning you don't know and dropping terms like autist or "seeekrit club" makes you seem retarded, from /v/ or both.

Do you know what a secondary is? The wiki should contain canon facts and just maybe an overview of relevant fanon stuff, such as music. Why would a secondary care about the game lore? How the fuck have you come up to the conclusion that a canon-centered wikia is a "secret club"? What does playing on Lunatic have to do with canon? Just shut up.

>>10620913
You, obviously, but whatever.

Thread's fun enough so whatever.

>>10620961
ZUN's Touhou is half of Touhou itself. The other half is what fans made. If you can't separate them then that's not your problem, since ZUN isn't going out of his way to correct them and neither should anyone else.

>>10620961
I disagree as there is far more fanon material, however I do agree that it should be on separate pages clearly labeled as fanon. There should be no random fanon facts on character profile pages.

>>10620963
More like, people (especially on sites like /jp/) go around giving other people weird ideas about ZUN's Touhou, and so things get horribly skewed and won't be corrected until they read the contrary information from canon.

>>10620963
The problem is that idiocy breeds exponentially. Lately I've been seeing more and more people on /jp/ who don't even know basic canon facts.

>>10620980
Like all the topless Ladies/Butlers stuff that one guy thought was the Touhou anime?

>>10620983
Like? Just curious.

>>10620951
Except for the games, text files, websites, comics, art books, music CDs...

Fanon should be on a separate wiki like the Japanese wikis, or at least in a separate namespace.

When the "wiki split" happened, people made fun of the Touhou Wikia for shit like Neko Scarlet. Now look:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Marisa_Kirisame#Fandom
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cirno#Fandom
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fan-made_characters/Meimu
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Fanfiction
>Fiction in the Touhou setting written by fans, mostly English speaking ones.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fiction_found_on_imageboards

The wiki should be a reference to canonical, in-universe information, and factual, out-of-universe information about things like doujin works. It should not be a "which characters 4chan thinks are sluts and why" directory.

>>10620989
Like Sanae being a slut.

>>10620973
I'll try to explain it so you can understand:

- Canon works, official
- Fanon works, unofficial

Only canon things are true. The wiki should contain canon information, and then, as a compliment, it could also contain some particularly relevant info about fanon creations, such as a music circles database.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Wiki/Editor_Corner/Archive_4

I still find this very funny. Not only did they argue about a line that was very easy to translate (能力：闇を操る程度の能力) for MONTHS, but they were wrong in the first place. Reminds me of that TV Tropes thing with "nakama".

>>10620989
In a sanae a slut thread someone made a believable-looking text about Suwako actually giving birth as proof that Suwako isn't a virgin. He then put a bunch of letters together to make it look like a book's acronym and people believed it until someone showed up to say no such book even exists.

Or that one time where someone made a fake translation of the new manga about Reimu falling in love with Rinnosuke.

>>10620968
Secondaries care about the lore because they like the stories, nignog. They are in it for the doujins, the remixes and arranges, but also what ZUN himself has written and created. That's part of being secondary, getting into the lore without playing the games themselves, and that's what the wiki is for.

What you want is some kind of autistic library of nothing but notated facts straight from game data in the original Japanese, probably in some kind of ASCII 90's library parser. All for a Japanese shooter about little girls. I'm sure you make your mother proud.

>>10620991
wow marisa looks 12 in the new game

>>10620980
>>10620983
>>10620991
>>10620994
On the Wiki, fanon and canon are straight up separated by a big ol' bolded FANON sign, signaling that everything past there isn't CANON. If people can't see that, or if they plain up and ignore it, then it's not the fault of the wiki.
Besides that, why is canon so important to you if ZUN blatantly ignores it for most of his works?

>>10621015
>Besides that, why is canon so important to you if ZUN blatantly ignores it for most of his works?
I'm fine with the rest of what you said, but please explain this.

>>10620991
That fanfiction page is probably the most pointless thing on the whole wiki. Even the Narutowiki(i checked) doesn't have a fanfiction section and there are 326,164 of Naruto fanfics currently on http://www.fanfiction.net/anime/.. If people want to promote their shitty fanfiction they might as well just go to TVTropes.

>>10621015
>Besides that, why is canon so important to you if ZUN blatantly ignores it for most of his works?

What does this mean?

Is this going to be one of those "they were goblins, not orcs" things?

>>10621015
And on the front page you have a bunch of drawings made by a westerner tumblr attention whore misrepresenting characters.

>>10620999
Secondaries do not care about canon ("the lore") and most of them don't care about ZUN's creations, they just want to watch the newest IOSYS PV and read a yuri doujin of their favorite couple from last Comiket.

It amazes me how can you describe a canon-centered wiki as a "autistic library" and ignore the huge variety of canon works.

Just a reminder that thwiki dot net is currently unregistered and some /jp/sies have webspace/bandwidth.

Considering all this shitstorm over the touhouwiki, why do you still hate the wikia? Is it only because it runs on wikia and thus disrespects your freedoms or something like that?

>>10621027
Secondaries don't play games, or played only few of them, but still can care about lore and read official works, in addition to listening to music and fapping to doujins.

What you are describing is even lower, term tertiary comes to mind. A moron that probably doesn't even know there are games to begin with.

>>10620991
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Marisa_Kirisame#Fandom
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cirno#Fandom
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fan-made_characters/Meimu
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Fanfiction
>>Fiction in the Touhou setting written by fans, mostly English speaking ones.
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Fiction_found_on_imageboards

Disgusting.

>>10621051
Pretty much, being on Wikia alone is enough reason for me to hate it. Though they've also made some shitty design and organization decisions I don't like.

>>10621052
Most of them don't though and you should know that when someone on /jp/ uses the word secondary, they most likely refer to those poeple.

>>10621026
You know you can just use Google to jump straight to any wiki page without setting foot on the front page, right?

>>10621063
I see. I take it the wikia community is far smaller than the touhouwiki one, right? I checked their news pages and stuff and it feels so empty I started feeling kinda sad.

>>10621073
You like walking in circles, don't you?

>>10621052
A primary is a fan of canon Touhou works. A secondary is a fan of primaries' creations (fanon). A secondary may or may not turn into a primary fan if he becomes interested in the games and other canon works. Terms like tertiary and such are unnecessary and redundant.

I doubt the people who visit askudonge and similar stuff are even remotely interested in canon works, and that's the kind of audience pooshlmer seems to be appealing to.

I happen to find the fairies fairly cute.

>>10621079
Good point, glad you disproved me so well.
Seriously, if it bothers you that much to see a few blobby western fairies, then don't go to the front page. Or find something better to do with your time. Preferably the latter.

>>10621083
askudonge's drawings are cute.

>>10621083
That's epic. Epic for the win.

>>10621099
Not him, but most of your "contributions" to this discussion seems to be "stop making a big deal", "find something better to do". What do you expect?

>>10621099
I don't need to disprove you because your argument isn't new in this thread. That's the meaning behind me asking you if you like walking in circles. I'm sorry that you can't think.

>>10621083
WHY THE FUCK IS SHE SWEATING

>>10621129
It's a hot summer day.

>>10621083
You brought this on yourself, /jp/. You fed the monster.

>>10621116
I'm thinking about the obvious, and you're rejecting it because you've had it beaten into your head so many times it's giving you deja-vu and yet you still won't listen to reason. How sad.

How to create a wonderfully successful /jp/ thread that gains 100+ replies in ~2 hours and gets quadruple the posts any other thread does:

Take the shittiest, boring, mundane topic you can, like program icons, and append Touhou to it. You have created a success.

Create thread that isn't Touhou? Get shitposted and eventually have it deleted by the janitor for not being otaku-related, though otaku can pretty much be related to any topic you could ever think of. There needs to be some arbitrary line drawn somewhere, I guess.

>>10621105
Thanks! Sānæ is a slut and her ten desires are some of my favourite /jp/ approved memes.

>>10621143


>>10620618
>>10620635

And a ton of other replies, in this thread, about the subject you just so cleverly brought up, hours later.

Are you a touhouwiki editor? You seem to fit the role really well, since you obviously can't read.

>>10621152
What a good little slut taking all that cum~

>>10621164
reblogging this epic ownage

Do primaries read touhou doujins? In the end they are not canon even if author is as close to the character's canon personalities as he can. I guess doujins should be taboo for us.
Do primaries watch cute touhou pics? Canon ZUN's characters looks so different from the ones on fan art. No, we should post only screenshots from the game and random pages from official manga.
Do primaries listen to touhou arrangements? By making techno/metal/jazz/whatever cover fans destroys the original mood of the track (check the in-game music box to see what were ZUN's intentions when he created each track). I guess all touhou music arrangements should be banned as well.
And the last question: what do primaries love and enjoy about touhou?
PS: "Sanae a slut" meme is not touhouwiki's fault. It's YOURS, /jp/, and no one's else.

>>10621255
You don't become a secondary just be reading and enjoying fanwork. You become a secondary if you only really care about fanworks and ignore or don't care about canon works or have trouble distinguishing between canon and fanon work.

You should know this already. No one should have to tell you that stuff.

>>10621288
Then why when I try to discuss some fanon work here (for example KKHTA, I really liked it), I get instantly called "secondary". I know it's a fan work (it tells you that with fucking huge letters before each episode), I can distinguish KKHTA's insane Koishi from the canon one. And I don't ignore and do care about canon.
The same way how can you know that some person who posts a "cirno baka (9), the strongest" comment on youtube doesn't know it's only a fanon thing?

>>10621340
That's either because
1. Trolls
2. Your writing style somehow conveyed a secondary feeling (using stuff like memes or catchphrases can easily do that)
3. You actually are a secondary and /jp/ was psychic.

KKHTA is also known to be somewhat popular with secondaries on /jp/(those guys who spam german Koishi and that stuff) so it really should not surprise you how /jp/ acts. Besides most of those threads actually work out well so just ignore those people.

>>10621367
It's like you wasn't visiting /jp/ for few years.
The answer is much simpler. Autism. Just read this thread, I really don't understand all the hate towards some fairies on the one page the wiki. On the wiki which so called primaries should never even visit since they already know all the canon stuff. Well, you can dislike them, but such minor thing should never generate a 200-post thread. And those autists literally blame fairies for spreading the "sanae a slut" meme.
/jp/'s autists destroy any touhou discussion.

>>10621255
>>10621450
I don't think anyone is blaming sanae a slut on touhouwiki.

>>10621450
Just ignoring everything and saying autism is pretty boring and you know it. You think i'd have any fun on /jp/ if i was just posting autism as a reply? I enjoy lots of pointless discussion with /jp/. Much better than just posting random images from Danbooru in every 2nd thread.

Why is there such a huge shitfest over a fucking little sprite or some picture on a website?

>>10620472
you got called out for being a fucking newfag

deal with it

>>10620800
Wait a second. If this thread is true, doesn't it mean momiji doesn't have total control over the wiki? Why did he get to declare "My website so I am ignoring all suggestions, everyone fuck off" when he's at the mercy of other wiki staffers?

>>10620800
My respect for pooshlmer has gone up significantly based on that thread.

>>10621560
Maybe the others just don't care? That thread is a mess and everyone seems to hate everyone, people stalk each other and post the actual phone numbers of each other. I don't know who is the good guy in that thread.

>>10621560
Huh?

Every fucking time this subject popped up I had to tell people to actually go do something about it instead of bitching about it here. Now it's been half a year and people are only starting to post against it on the wiki, and then kurukuru does it in the most rude way possible. You started some serious discussion and you fucked up any chance you previously had of getting anything accomplished. Yes, a lot of the arguments made, especially the drab by OverCoat (who is usually a cool guy) were total shit. But you aren't helping by starting out with "Are you people stupid?", throwing personal insults about art quality and competency of management every which way, and ultimately drowning any actual points. On top of that, it doesn't look like anyone else besides NekoScarlet even posted more than once, which really doesn't help when some think that you're all just samefagging.

Kiefmaster is your dangling thread, guys.

>>10621915
Who?

>>10620466
Is that the fucking Nerfnow guy?

>>10621949
If you haven't read through the wiki talk page then why are you even asking.

>>10621083
umm

wow

that's retarded

>>10621083
Well, they're at least better than THAT.

>>10620785
While I also doubt this would work, it's always worth and costs literally nothing to try. And the touhouwiki's problem is specifically not the people who don't want to do stuff, but people who do (but aren't qualified). So even if someone merely copies everything of value from them while keeping off things like shitty translation changes and fanon in the process (and fairies, of course), we have an instant improvement.

>>10623092
>and fanon

I mentioned in the thread earlier that I actually like it when wikis are stupidly thorough. I don't really see the problem in having fanon sections for every character as long as it's kept wholly separate from the canon information. Some people might be interested in reading about stuff like that.

>>10623092
The problem is that every last one of you is too fucking lazy to go and fix what needs fixing.

I've started making some changes, but at the rate I'm going, I'll finish QCing the translations by the end of 2015.

>>10623114
You should politely propose that the fanon sections be hidden inside expandable blocks. It looks more professional and the people out for fanon information still have access to what they want. Everybody wins.

>>10620493
Everything is trolling these days. Teasing your friends? TRLOLOLOLLING

>>10623116
I... think I'm too incompetent to do that. (Though maybe I shouldn't. How could I possibly do worse than what they proved capable of.) And at the rate I'm learning Japanese, I may feel confident enough to help you somewhere in 2014. I guess I should step up my reps.

>>10623114
I think one can research fanon with the same strictness and meticulousness as they do canon or anything else. You can set barriers for inclusion of fan inventions to, say, three (referenced) apperances in doujinshi by three different authors. Autistic? Yes, but you already want to be autistic about it, so why not do it properly?

The problem is, of course, that it's not how it's done now.

Why didn't they ask Walfas to draw them characters?

>>10623306
Would that have caused more or less of a shitstorm, I wonder.

>>10623313
Walfas is objectively cuter.

I'd honestly prefer to use wikia if it wasn't outdated and home for fanfic writers. At least I don't mind looking at Sakuya in the snow or smiling Remilia
It's time to create our own wiki, /jp,.

I'd honestly prefer to use wikia if it wasn't outdated and home for fanfic writers. At least I don't mind looking at Sakuya in the snow or smiling Remilia
It's time to create our own wiki, /jp/.

>>10623306
Because Walfas isn't a friend of the admin.

>>10623429
What sorts of cute conversations do you suppose the admin and askudonge have?

>>10623431
Stuff like this:

Askudonge: "Hey [name], can i please advertise my tumblr on your wiki?"
Admin: "Sorry, i can't put ads on the wiki, but if you draw Cirno and some other characters then i can put them on the frontpage under the excuse of improving the looks of the wiki. I'll tell everyone you drew them on the talk page."
Askudunge: "Sounds great. I'll just draw all the fairies for each section there, so you can make some excuse for why Cirno is on the frontpage."
Admin: "Great thinking. Give them a Gameboy or some headphones so that they'll fit each section and we have a deal."

>>10623306
I would love to see it.
Walfas is so cute.

>>10620603
>I mentally see it as a non-canon fan game and I hope ZUN does too
It’s not a fan game, clearly. It‘s not a main series game, though. Why would you hope ZUN sees it as a fan game? That’s retarded.
Anyway, Youmu uses a similar technique in TH13 as Cirno in Fairy Wars. Did you get upset at that?

>>10623719
I got upset ever since he stopped including Sakuya in the games.

>>10623719
It's not a similar technique at all. Metagame stuff like "you have to hold z for a bit to use it" is irrelevant.

>>10623761
Cirno’s in Fairy Wars is just a bit more powerful but unwieldy.

>>10623288
These are their fanon guidelines:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki:Guidelines/Standardization_of_Character_Pages#Fandom

I still think it shouldn't be there, but whatever.

>Yay, I get to finally comment. I'm the person who initiated the changes to add the fairies to the frontpage. In fact, I didn't ask for many people's opinions for one reason: You guys are never there when I need to do something that requires action. It takes months to have any form of approval on this wiki. In fact, this change has been live for months, and you started complaining formally about it just now.

Oh boo fucking hoo.

>>10623865
Cry me a river.

>>10623865
Best part of that post:
> I suggest you lower the gamma setting of your monitor or buy a new monitor

Getting an "iPads' wi-fi broken, you're just not holding it right!" vibe from this.

>>10623865
>when I need to do something that requires action

Adding random drawings made by his tumblr friend really was something that required action.

>>10624734
cute

>I HAVE been receiving complaints about the fairies, except it's always in an extremely negative, immature, personal form from someone who really seems to have a grudge against Leo. It's the same attitude I saw when we first started modifying the mainpage years ago. There's a difference between actually making something that works, being constructive and whatnot, sitting around and discussing and collaborating with the rest of the group, and sitting around screaming 'you have to do what ~I~ want, I don't know what that is, but it has to be ~my~ way! Go do it now, and go commit seppuku you big stupid filthy gaizin, lolololz!' And then you have the few people who fall for it, thinking it's a serious complaint and that 'consensus' is 'shifting', when it's solely a couple of little idiots with big mouths trying to rustle people's jimmies. That's why I put my foot down over this. It's an unbelievable waste of what little resources we have here. Momiji (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

>>10625910
>There are people who don't like this, but they're rude so who cares.

Please don't bump this.

why the fuck do people care about this

how is it even possible to care about something so fucking stupid

What the shit? This wiki has links to RP cesspools.

>>10625910
>rustle people's jimmies
Why am I not surprised?

>>10620449

Because ZUN realized Reimu is a slut and fell in love with the very best of all 2hus, Marisa.