/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Is this a joke? Please tell me this a joke.

I fucking hate the current trend on the internet that you should pay for EVERYTHING. Like Giant Bomb, a game review site, used to release all kinds of funny extra videos for all their users to see. Then they realized people will pay them 20 bucks a month to see those videos. Cant wait for twitch tv and youtube being pay-per-view.


'TAKE MY MONEy -'Xd'

I change my IP all the time so I'll never know the feeling of a 4chan pass.

>>10521784
>current trend

It's not new, people are just getting better at recognizing where money can be made. It's only going to get worse

>Favorite Limit
I can't explain to you how much this pisses me off. I've been building up favorites on pixiv, exhentai, and the boorus for years so I could eventually download all of it and put it into one big collection of my favorite content. I'm not using danbooru anymore.

Is there any reason to use danbooru over gelbooru? Ive been using gelbooru for ages.

Hey, upload shit to our site and tag things so we can make money off of you! I won't contribute to Danbooru ever again.

>>10521787
They do it only because they know their users are willing to pay.

>One time fee
Still better than 4chan Passes.

>>10521784
In a way I hate the idea that it's wrong to pay for things. Paying for content isn't anything new, and I feel upset by the self-entitlement some people have. "This is the internet! I can't believe you expect me to PAY for something!"
What did you think people did before the internet? That music, books, videos, etc. were free? You were paying solely for the cost of the media, which in reality cost maybe a twentieth of the price you're paying?
Still, I agree with you for certain types of content. Danbooru isn't making these images. It's illegally hosting them. It's eBaum's without the watermarks, and it's expecting us to pay for the convenience of other users' hard work. That's fucking offensive. If you can't pay for the bandwidth through donations (nothing shameful about requesting donations if you need them, fuck you moot) then you have no business running a website. Leave it to someone who can afford it.

>>10521786
me too, fucking janitors giving me 15 minute bans

>>10521793

Don't used both, they banned every tags that they hates.

Danbooru sucks because of all the limits it has, and gelbooru sucks now because it's unstable as hell.

d..does better better booru addon still work?

>>10521793
Except for a larger image collection, none at all. Danbooru has clunky design to shit, advertisements all the fuck over the place, and a retarded tag limit.

>>10521802
>>10521800
Some /jp/sie with a lot of time and money should get to work on this
>>10504881

>>10521806
It's been updated but almost none of its features are working yet.

>>10521806
I don't think so.
At the very least it doesn't let you see loli on danbooru anymore.

So let me get this straight. I need to pay ANOTHER 20 bucks to get the features I ALREADY HAD AND PAID FOR before Danbooru 2?
That is the stupidest god damn shit I ever heard.

the one thing danbooru has that is good is its wiki pages being fairly comprehensive for artist info. saves a bunch of clicks having to reverse search to pixiv and then go to their url (if listed)

>>10521781
But if they don't make people pay to see deleted posts, artists that have requested to have their work taken down will sue them.

>>10521806
It will. Give it time.
That's my answer to most of Danbooru 2's growing pains...except this platinum account thing. I pity anyone who bought an account for that site before, because that is some grade A bullshit.

It's forum circle jerk time! Rate the users!

Wait wait wait.

You pay them money, and there's still a tag limit?

That tag limit is entirely artificial. They're not going to have higher electricity bills because the SQL query involved seven WHEREs instead of six.

This is like web hosts who have a limit on databases or email addresses or something. It's entirely artificial in a way that makes no sense for a paying customer.

>>10521829
And translators.

>>10521853
They do that to inflate the sense that you're buying into the "better" plan and because people will pay for it.

>>10521844
And if they're charging for access to them that's even more grounds for being sued.

>>10521825
I forget, wasn't the tag limit 7 or 8 on a privileged account?

Just use Sankaku instead, they have all this shit for free without any retarded limitations and unlike gelbooru they don't censor and remove tags they don't like.
The only reason to still use danborru is because they have more translated stuff.

>>10521922
What, you don't want to support the greatest anime artwork database on the web?

So what happened? Did some corporate jews get their hands on the site or something? I don't remember Albert being such a greedy faggot before.

>>10521931
>censor and remove tags they dont like

What DA FUG, they do this? No wonder I find so little of my fave fetishes...

>>10521972
Obviously you can't see loli or shota, and things like guro and scat are banned. But all images need to be approved in three days by privileged users, otherwise they'll be deleted. It used to be that you could still see deleted posts, but now normal users can't see those either. The thing that a lot of people don't know is that these privileged users are very biased in what they'll approve of. There are a ton of images that, even though they're not against the rules, aren't going to ever be approved because the privileged users don't like the content in them. Additionally, the people who approve posts will take the scores of posts into consideration when they approve or delete something, and normal members are not allowed to score pictures. And of course, there's a ton of great stuff on pixiv and other sites that will just never be uploaded onto the site to begin with because it doesn't fit the tastes of the people uploading.

>>10522011
Also posts that have been approved will sometimes be returned to the moderation que to rot simply because some privileged user is offended by it.

Never used Sankaku. How's the quality?

>>10521793
Gelbooru lets too many shit go through. Ever seen those stupidly rough sketches at Pixiv? Or those abominations drawn by 12yos? They have lots of them.

Also, less translated stuff. And the pagination, holy shit. I feel terrible when I don't know the number of the last page. Oh, forgot the "You are viewing an advertisement" (what the fuck?)

>>10521800
Whoa nigger read a book.

>>10522046
I would much rather have to put up with a lot of shitty images than >>10522011 >>10522017

It's a bit more work, but why not just skip the middleman and go straight to the source?

>>10521853
But you can't have unlimited databases on a server. They do take disk space.

>>10522054
I don't really mind about scat or guro, I'm not into that.

I rarely happen to stumble upon loli, but that really pisses me off, so I understand. Also, the new policy for deleted items is fucking stupid.

Did teruyo just convert to Judaism or what?

>>10522058
The problem is that Pixiv artists (artists in general, I guess) have an awful habit of deleting their work. I added a new picture to my favorites on pixiv, and less than a week later it was deleted. The boorus are more permanent.

>>10522081
Anyone else found Pixiv to be *slow as fuck*? It usually sends my shitty PC to a state of permanent swapping and increased CPU load, but I can't for the life of me figure out the reason.

Are they using copious amounts of Javashit by chance?

>>10522089
I have the same problem. I like to go through pages and open a bunch of images in tabs to browse through later, so it's a constant problem.

>>10522081
Also, I can't seem to access Nijie or whatever it's called, so boorus are my only option for some stuff.

As long as there are people willing to pay for shit, more shit will be shat to be sold.

Like TV, even History Channel is barely surviving.


>>10522081
But weren't artists able to contact the one running the site and demand to not have their works posted on the site?.

>>10522102
Only a handful of artists actually did that, though.

>>10522081
What's even more reliable is saving them yourself. Some nice person did that for kamS thank god.

>>10522089
Never had that issue, do they use Flash?

>>10522102
As far as I know only a handful of artists have actually asked them to take stuff down. Most of the cases aren't something like an artist trying to remove all traces of their work, they just remove a few older pictures. I don't know, maybe they don't think they're good enough.

Not that any of that matters, because members that have paid can see deleted images.

See:
>>10521941

>>10522119
I save everything I like, but sometimes I end up interested in other series or artists, and being able to find art of it is nice. And besides, even just checking the touhou tag on pixiv everyday and saving everything decent takes forever.

Is that gold account better than e-hentai's hath system?

>>10522125
Well, it's not like I won't continue ad-blocking his site.

And I suppose this way of trying to milk even more money from, as anons already stated "other users' hard work", will make the site receive less contributions.

>>10522119
Did anyone upload that kamS gallery on mediafire? I don't have any GP or credits to download it off of sadpanda, and I'd prefer to avoid saving each one individually if possible.

wasnt there a post here with something along the lines of being taken down but not for paying members? mediafire does this

>>10522158
If you mean http://exhentai.org/g/550583/f779aaed13/ this one, there is direct link on comments.

>>10522166
Just noticed. I tend to avoid looking at the comments.

>>10522158
Yeah.

http://www.mediafire.com/?disk38717j44k9i

>>10522138
Possibly. Ex does a lot of other nasty trickery, like requiring some other criteria to access certain galleries.

http://exhentai.org/g/268640/3d60d038fd/

On the other hand I've gotten away without paying a cent for anything on Ex, though I have seeded the odd torrent.

>>10522062
But it's like saying "You can only have 50 files on our server."

50 megabytes, fair enough, but 50 files?

Database limits are artificial, save some very specific circumstances where you need multiple constant MySQL processes doing things all the time, in which case you should be using a different kind of hosting (e.g. a VPS or a dedicated server).
Same for email addresses, subdomains, etc.

I only mention it because I get the same vibe here. Searching extra tags isn't costing Danbooru any more money, it's just a single character in a text file they wrote. They could change that 6 to 50 and pay maybe one cent extra per year, but they choose not to because it seems attractive to have different levels of accounts. This sort of thing messes with my inner aspie because it's so pointless. It's like telling someone they can only walk forward and left to go somewhere, but never right or backwards.

>>10522119
I don't know, but I don't think so. Opening more than 10 Pixiv tabs at the same time makes things unbearably slow. Mind you, I have a P4 and 2GB of RAM.

Still, I'm looking for pictures, not unfolding proteins.

>>10522176
Oh, sorry, you're completely right.

I want to report them for making money from stolen work but I doubt authorities would care.

These Danbooru assholes are getting worse and worse every year.

>>10521797

I have been getting free things off over the internet since I was like 15. I am 32 now. The internet is where I come to get things I wouldn't pay for.

I still buy things just like I did before I got a computer. I buy physical copies of things though. I guess because I spent so long getting a physical things for my money I expect that now. I still have books I bought when I was in elementary, I don't have any of the files from my first computer anymore.

Once I become a Japanese Expert I won't have to visit Danbooru anymore.

>>10522171
>Possibly. Ex does a lot of other nasty trickery, like requiring some other criteria to access certain galleries.
>On the other hand I've gotten away without paying a cent for anything on Ex, though I have seeded the odd torrent.

Looks like I got old enough account, and I have done some shitposting on their forums, so I never noticed that gallery hiding.

For lolicon, I remember that time when you were still able (after that exhentai change) to these loli galleries at e-hentai site with Ads-Be-Gone hath, but on another day that feature was gone.

>>10522193
>report them
>they see loli/toddlercon
>asks why you were there
>you:.....??!?!?!?! *gets anally raped in jail*

>>10521784

Yeah, I'm surprised this hasn't happened to youtube already. Fuck this shit.

>>10522171
>Possibly. Ex does a lot of other nasty trickery, like requiring some other criteria to access certain galleries.
>On the other hand I've gotten away without paying a cent for anything on Ex, though I have seeded the odd torrent.

Looks like I got old enough account, and I have done some shitposting on their forums, so I never noticed that gallery hiding.

For lolicon, I remember that time when I was still able (after that exhentai change) to these loli galleries at e-hentai site with Ads-Be-Gone hath, but on another day that feature was gone.
Now that Ads-Be-Gone hath is pretty useless.

>>10522184
>>10522089
It doesn't really slow down for me if I open a lot of pixiv tabs but it can sometimes crash my browser.
Although that rarely happens.

Someone "invited" me after I uploaded like 50 pictures from a CG search site probably 5 years ago and have since had one of the higher access levels.

>>10522211
I moved to safebooru years ago and the few people that do comment there are nice.

So what is the best booru right now?

Danbooru is a jew and hates lolis
Gelbooru is a Nazi against tags that they hates.

>>10522283
sankakubooru

>>10522283
Not >>10522255, but Safebooru.

Unless, of course, you want lewd images, in which case I don't know.

>>10522283
wildcritters.ws

>>10521793
None at all. Danbooru may have a little more translated content on average, but if you stumble upon an untranslated work you'd like translated, it only takes a few seconds to saucenao/iqdb it and copy a translation from danbooru, if one is even available.

>>10522283
Gelbooru. I don't see any problems, they're less nazi than Danbooru regarding questionable content/tags.

I've had accounts on both for years.

All but ONE of my posts have been deleted in Danbooru.
All of them are still in Gelbooru.

>>10522301
>they're less nazi than Danbooru regarding questionable content/tags.

They purge all the toddlercon image just because one of the mod hates it, Shigeryun is one of my favorite artist and i doubt it will last long after this shitstorm happen.

I might migrate to sankaku but Minoriko app doesn't support it yet and andbooru app is shit.

>>10522322
Danbooru has purged MANY more tags.

Not to mention you can't fully circumvent the loli/shota block anymore.

Where does sankaku rip their content? Danbooru? Gelbooru? Something else?

>>10522287

>>10522301
>they're less nazi than Danbooru regarding questionable content/tags

Yeah about that,
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=2390

>>10522355
Sankaku has seperate 2D and 3D boorus.

>>10522335
Sankaku is gross. I was searching Treechada (Unrelated person to /jp/) on google and saw that sankaku had her in their galleries so I clicked and saw that they had a tag just for 3D trannys and with the exception of Treechada who is not a porn girl they were all naked and showing dick.

>>10522335

I was asking a place that respect my freedum beside dan and gel.

>>10521797
>music
Radio
>books
Library
>video
Broadcast TV

All free.

>>10522371
Nobody respects your freedom. It's because people who create and moderate sites tend to be greedy power-tripping assholes.

>>10522469

It was a shitty joke, take it easy.

Ironically, the site is down as of this posting.

Double ironically, I upgraded over a year ago.

>>10522389
>Radio
Advertisers pay money which in turn becomes royalties that go to the artists
>Library
Books are bought by the library and are not given to patrons but lent out
>Broadcast TV
Same as radio

Look if you're going to pirate then pirate and don't try and justify what you do. You look like even more of an entitled little shit than you already are.

I want to take this opportunity to ask a question that's been on my mind lately. Does pirating child porn harm the production of child porn, or does pirating movies support the movie business? It can only reasonably be one or the other, not both.

>>10521784
Hurr I should be able to use this bandwidth-hungry service for free!!! Like, fuck the corporations, man! Everyone should just like, give each other whatever they want, except me because I had a job once and I'm not gonna TAKE THAT SHIT anymore!

Way to go man, preach it sister!

gel is fine as long as you don't want toddlercon or guro. loli/shota? fine by them.

>>10522623
And not neither either.

>>10522596
it's like your idea of ownership is stuck in the 1930 along with copyright laws.

>>10522624
I hope you don't seriously support what Danbooru is doing.

tag limits are a brilliant idea because they highlight the key themes of the object and don't just autistically add a tag for something that's only in like 1 panel of the 200 page thing.

>>10521786
dude I think it's just a convenience mostly for mobile users. And I guess if you really can't STAND to touch your keyboard ten more times per post

>>10522624

bandwidth costs almost nothing

keep championing companies that would bankrupt you for a .5% profit increase if they could legally do so

>>10522651
That's not what it means by tag limit. It means you can only have so many tags entered into your search.

And I like that everything gets added to the tags. I don't just like to search for specific copyrights and characters, I like to search for specific articles of clothing combined with other articles of clothing.

>>10522355
EEEEEW!

>>10522211
>asks why you were there

you: i didn't know that was there.

google said they have a lot of nasty, illegal stuff that's only for paying users. i'd have to buy access to the site to even browse everything they try to hide from the authorities, but then i'd be a part of this crime.

since you say they have this 'loli/shota' hidden in there, it means they tried to hide that crime from the authorities, and make money out of it!

>>10522641
>>10522663
Jesus christ, you guys are retarded and reek of entitlement.
Please go away.

>>10522687

you reek of crossboarder

head back to your native board. you are not welcome here and will never be. thx

>>10522689
You shouldn't post if you no longer have anything relevant to add.

>>10522687
it's not entitlement so much as observing just how uncompetitive what they're offering is when you can get the same things for free other places.

>>10522687
All you know how to do is sling insults at people and mock them. It's almost like you're not from here.

>>10522691
Because
>>10522687
is a completely relevant and important post that makes very good points, right?

>>10522687
Shut up dog, also what he said >>10522689

Is this legit? I'm a contributor already so I don't know.

As a contributor I feel very used. So I spend hours a day uploading and tagging, I've had mods and users treat me like shit for uploading alternative porn and they turn around and charge?

>>10522687
Much of what makes danbooru good (tagging, translations) is done by the users. None of the images are made by the people on danbooru. Letting people search with extra tags costs them nothing. Blocking loli and shota for advertisers is likely a lie. I doubt their advertisers care about loli and shota.

It's not fair for them to be charging people for anything, really.

>>10522714
Click "My Account" and check.

>>10522714
Yeah, it is. Sad, isn't it?

>>10522714
>I've had mods and users treat me like shit for uploading alternative porn
That's the worst. If they don't want something on their site, why don't they just make it against the rules instead of trying to shame people? I'm not going to stop uploading art of girls being pissed on until they make it against the rules.

>>10522636
All I see is a generation of entitled kids who are shitting where they are eating.

Do you seriously believe that content creators do not own the content they create?

>>10522724
>It's not fair
And yet people are paying just the same.

Funny how the free market works huh

>>10522689
>>10522695
>>10522702
I've probably been on here longer than most of you nerds. Never mind me, /jp/ is your secret internet club that you found last summer, keep on trying to fit in by spouting shitty memes!
/jp/ has always been pretty autistic, but this entitlement bullshit is new. No one owes you anything if you're blocking their ads and not paying you anything. I'm not sitting on a high horse, I shamelessly pirate everything, but you are literally costing the Danbooru owner money and complaining about what he's giving you. That's pretty shitty.

Not to mention, it's actually funny that you guys promote Gelbooru over Danbooru, when Gelbooru's interstitial ads are a million times more annoying than anything on Danbooru.

>>10522692
It's a free fucking service. If a restaurant owner offered you a free sample of their food, would you start bitching at them? "What the fuck, this isn't a meal! How is this supposed to satisfy me! You just want to make me hungry so I'll eat at your restaurant! I know what you're up to! You'd better give me a full dinner, or I'll go take free samples from someone else's restaurant!"

>>10522724
Those are fair points, but the Danbooru owner:
Writes the software that runs the site
Pays for the servers that run the site, and the bandwidth capacity you use up when you visit it (and it is not fucking free to host a site of Danbooru's size or traffic, have you even tried to do the math?)
Has to deal with the retard rodeo on the forums

I think that entitles him to do whatever he wants with his own site, including putting up ads that I block, and offering additional functionality if you pay a fee that I probably never will.

Lest anyone think I'm sucking Danbooru cock or something, this goes for every fucking free service on the internet. If you aren't paying anything, you are the product, not the customer. You have no say, except the choice not to use the service. Get that through your heads and enjoy your free lolicon search engine.

>>10522749
That's because they're not thinking about what they're paying for.

The issue for me isn't there being another level of payed account, it's taking features people have already bought away from them and putting them in the platinum account. THAT is bullshit.

>>10521786
What? People with dynamic IP can't have passes? What the FUCK?

>>10522768
You don't have an issue with the owner charging money to view images that the creators have asked him to remove?

>>10522768
tl;dr

>>10522768
Danbooru is an illegitimate website run by stealing the works of others. Making money for any reason is out the question for it.

Use Pixiv or Nijie. The artists themselves upload there and their free service is better than danbooru's paid service.

Don't defend danbooru, you have no legto argue on.

>>10522768
>when Gelbooru's interstitial ads

To be honest in the past gelbooru is shit slower than tor and got less content then danbooru.

Now the ads can be bypass with some script, but still gelbooru is shit because of the nazi moderation.

>>10522742
>Do you seriously believe that content creators do not own the content they create?
if it's copyrighted by someone else? nope.

legally, the ones who paid for copyright have every right to sue them for money and win, especially if they tried to make money with it.

>>10522768
10522695 here, I don't like people who just insult people and mock people. I don't care how much of an oldfag you are, that's just rude and obnoxious and I have a hard time respecting anyone who does it. Also, I didn't spout any memes, and your behavior gave me the impression that you'd be likely to be the type of person from an another board who spouts memes, hence why I thought you're not from here.

I'm unsatisfied with both gelbooru and danbooru. I still use danbooru anyway because I don't have much of a choice when it comes to some things. To be entirely honest, my personal problem with danbooru's changes is that they added a favorite limit, which wiped out half of my favorites which I've been spending a lot of time building up for a while to download along with my favorites from other sites. It made me feel like some sort of collector, and now my collection is ruined.

You made good points, but I'm still pissed with danbooru. I'm just really annoyed with danbooru.

>>10522814
Don't compare blatant stealing of artwork danbooru uploaders do with re-imagining of existing copyrights that fan artists do.

Danbooru's only advantage is that it allows english speaking peoples to see Japanese artists. But if the midle man starts charging the advantage diminishes.

>>10522765
People rarely think about what they buy.

>>10522837
>People rarely think about what they buy.
Speak for yourself.

>>10522848
He's speaking for most consumers.
People are stupid.

>>10522814
That's because they paid for the rights to the CD, book, whatever. It's exactly the same as the owner of a restaurant paying his employees for their labour.

The intangibility of the product does not render it unownable.

>>10522841
but in this world, those who own actual copyright (copyright can be only owned if you register it and pay for it in a copyright bureau. anything else will get you lauged out of court) can sue you and order your website closed for looking at them wrongly.

i remember there was a case of marvel crashing down on sites hosting free models of their characters for some game.

those models were given for free, without any money exchange being involved, like a regular price, a commission even a donation.

and they won. the site went down.

>>10522858
and in danbooru's case, they didn't obtain any license to make money off copyrighted content.

Danbooru devs pls go

>>10522775
Is that actually true? I'm sure that tag searches were restricted to 7 with privileged accounts. Or is there something else missing?

doesn't gelbooru only put up the interstitial once when you hit page 10 and then that's it? i've never seen it again til i visit the site again like a day later

>>10522814
They have that right, but the vast majority of people choose not to do so, so they are operating with the tacit blessings of the original copyright holders. And unlike with Danbooru, every copyright holder in Japan knows that fanzines exist.

Why use Danbooru at all? It's a content aggregation service. Anything you find on Danbooru can be found elsewhere. It is Reddit for art.

>>10522874

I don't see any ads while viewing it from my droid phone.

>>10522878
Probably because it conveniently aggregates, tags, and sometimes translates content for you.

>>10522878
Danbooru has some scans that can't be found anywhere else, at least not by me.

>>10522868
You are mistaking copyright for trademarks.

>>10522877
those original copyright holders wouldn't be blessing them so much if they found out danbooru's making money by using their copyrights.

don't forget, every corporation and company is ran by jews. every last penny counts.

>>10522878
I'm still baffled that people are adding shit to favorites or other third party storage services and then acting surprised when it disappears.

I don't see why people willing to upload there files in danbooru where they block some images so they can only be viewed by premium user?

Isn't that killing the meaning of free image database?

>>10522852
People are not stupid. It is just that most people either do not have or do not wish to put in the time and effort to research a cheaper alternative, especially when that alternative imposes an added burden of some sort to the purchaser and also especially if the savings are minor relative to the purchaser's financial situation

It also helps that many danbooru users are probably single young adults with access to the money of their parents

Honestly, the draconian tag limit is the only problem I personally have with danbooru. There were server problems involving people making "mini-boorus" in their favorites, so regardless of whether they do anything with that I wouldn't have a problem with them restricting favorites. The subscriptions restriction, if there is one, does not bother me because I can easily go through the subscription lists manually and check each of the tags, they're listed as hyperlinks on my account page. The censored tags are fine, too, because they can make dealing with ad networks extremely difficult and there are (or were) ways to get the ones that aren't purged unblocked. Whether I can see deleted content only bothers me in rare cases, such as collaborations between a banned artist and non-banned one/s; especially since (good) posts have the source included, and even if they don't there's still other ways around the restriction.

The tag limit is just so bad though that I'm literally forced to use gelbooru instead when I'm doing deep delving.

>>10522868
>copyright can be only owned if you register it and pay for it in a copyright bureau. anything else will get you lauged out of court
If the content was created outside the US, then US courts will enforce the foreign copyright without it being registered.
And of course most other countries don't require registration at all.

>>10522868
In the US, anything that is created and copyrightable is automatically copyrighted on creation. Such is now. Same deal with text in germany.

>>10522888
A truly free image database is gelbooru, which has no other observable cash inflows except those it receives from ads

>>10522888
>Selling platinium account
>free

Get a load of this goy.

Danbooru makes money out of "deleted images"
ie they sell acess to 'copyrighted' material.

They are using chinese tactics of theft and jewish tactics of finance.

Worst of both worlds.

What they do is extortion. The only money a website should recieve from its users are donations. People wanting to give money because the service provided is good.
Not some ransom they have to pay.

Ads are a form of donation, since it can be blocked.

>>10522809
The vast majority of "Western" weebs, myself included, can't speak or read Japanese. Being able to search English language tags and read soft-scanlations is a tremendous value-add over stumbling around Pixiv.

If you're arguing that the users of Danbooru are mostly responsible for this, you're right, but someone has to pay the bill at the end of the day. Computers are not free. Electricity is not free. Network connections are not free. Colo space is not free. If Danbooru didn't exist, someone else would be doing the same thing if they were in Danboorus position (and surprise surprise! The biggest "competitors," Gelbooru and Shitaku Channel, do pretty much the same thing, and I don't hear you nerds complaining about them)

Moreover, I'm arguing on behalf of every free service on the fucking internet. I hate Youtube ads (and of course block them), but I'm under no delusions about their right to shove them in everyone's faces.

>>10522820
Who cares about being polite? 99% of the posters ITT are just going "hurr fuck Danbooru, you're a fag if you disagree," why shouldn't I call them out on their bullshit?
Who cares about respect? This is an anonymous imageboard. I just want to prove a point. >>10522663-san is an idiot for thinking that hosting a site of Danbooru's scale is cheap, and many of you are entitled idiots for expecting unlimited access to these services for free. Are you the kind of people that got pissed off when moot introduced the 4chan pass? Also, a few of you are hypocritical idiots for trying to take a "principled stance" on these services that profit off serving artists' images to an English speaking audience, when you probably use direct download services all the time that, with the exception of a few of the bigger players, exist solely to profit off of piracy of actual "digital goods," and not just pictures that some artist put on the net for free and is suddenly furious about gaijin being able to look at them.

>>10522877
Pretty much this. Fan content is, in many ways, a free and easy generator of awareness and interest in one's product. Only the most out of touch developers go after fan content unless it directly encroaches on their turf.

I remember reading that movie stars and comic book artists in the 20s and 30s gauged their popularity by how many tijuana bibles featuring them or their characters were floating around in schoolyards and army barracks.

>>10522941
you're speaking of free distribution though. i was talking about what danbooru does, which is paid/commercial redistribution.

unless you pay, you can't get the item.

>>10522933
The majority of people who are complaining about Danbooru lately reference copyright and censorship. However, the censorship is absolutely trivial to bypass (by design) and the only people affected are people who are casually searching for content which is specifically censored. Claiming extortion is essentially entitlement where they misinterpret the lack of getting what they desire as malice instead of the real reasons ie advertiser drama and quality/volume concerns (cite: http://danbooru.donmai.us/forum_topics/3397).). I find it funny that a lot of the people in this (generalized) group tend to add in the copyright part on the off-hand, considering that it's essentially at ends with what the expect from the site.

The copyright people are much more reasonable, but the ones that talk the most really don't know what they're talking about.

>>10522929

I never said anything about danbooru is a "free" site.

I said they "selling" shits that already or will be uploaded by free user and only premium user can viewed them, copyrighted or not.

>>10522948
Danbooru is designed for uploaders to cite the source of their post, so even if something is deleted or censored, it's still accessible. The only time you can't get what you're looking at without paying is if something's deleted at the source and on the booru, in which case you should be asking yourself why you're trying to get at something that's not supposed to be available anymore. There's more to it than that obviously but as a consumer of the site (not as a critic) it's irrelevant.

>>10522933
>Gelbooru and Shitaku Channel, do pretty much the same thing, and I don't hear you nerds complaining about them
That's because nobody cares about them.

>>10522948
Most doujins are sold at cost, however.

Just because it's relevant.
>Manga: Uploading entire manga or doujinshi chapters is discouraged. Individual pages can be uploaded if they meet the quality criterion.

>>10522980
Why?

Oh, that's right, because Danbooru already exists and is able to do what these shitty alternatives do better and cleaner

>>10522765
>>10522837
>>10522852
Or maybe they use Danbooru a lot and want to give a hat tip to the guy that maintains the site. "Fucking sheeple paying money for things they could have for free" is what you sound like right now. The worst kind of autist, the kind who believes he is smarter than the entire human race and won't shut up about how mindless the "average American"/the public/whatever is.

>>10522948
You get to see everything except lolis and the shittiest of shit without paying. That language is needlessly hyperbolic.

>>10522980
Well then, I guess Danbooru is a valuable service after all!

Don't forget that Danbooru's API allows you to trivially scrape the site for all of the content hosted there (which Gelbooru and company already do). I'd tell you to make your own boorus, but I suppose you need software to run the site...

OH WAIT! The Danbooru owner releases the source to the software that runs the site, and does so under a permissive license, You can actually go ahead and make your very own Danbooru clone right now, with no limit to the amount of tags in search queries, no ads, and no donations solicited! Why don't you get to work on one right now and see how long you can keep it running on your allowance?

danbooru dev get out

your site is dying

>>10522994
Only problem is that they're too strict with what to and not to approve. But I'm just sharing my opinion here. It'd be ideal if they would include more abuse and guro.
>>10523001
That's way too much work.

>>10523011
>That's way too much work.
No shit.

Why was the height chart thread deleted?

>>10523019
The janitor is under 6'0

>>10523001
>tipping
I did, and regret doing so thanks to the recent changes.

>no loli
That's a problem. Also no shota.

>no shit
status:deleted is mostly decent pictures that just weren't approved, you obviously haven't got a clue.

>>10522992
Relevant to what? Also that's one of the few welcome changes.

>>10523031
People were talking about paying to see copyrighted content again at the time that I posted that. I was quoting it in support of danbooru, not in shaming of it.

>>10522989
Most doujins also sell at a loss.

>>10522972
>Danbooru is designed for uploaders to cite the source of their post, so even if something is deleted or censored, it's still accessible.
fat load of good it does if you can't even get to the page where that stuff it located, because it's also removed from the searches.

>in which case you should be asking yourself why you're trying to get at something that's not supposed to be available anymore.
because original author deleted it for whatever stupid reason they have. usually they didn't want it 'staining' their recent works with its old techniques.

>>10523011
If you haven't seen the comments section on many danbooru pages you will see that most danbooru posters are delicate flowers who are probably already unnerved by the substantial amputee and guro collection hosted and lovingly tagged

In five minutes I was able to find graphic depictions of amputees being tortured, executions, and messy suicides. I imagine that what you have in mind would probably scare off enough users to put a dent in their cash flows.

Gelbooru is your Mexican border city. Be happy that it exists.

>>10523037
You're assuming the people who are running Danbooru are making big bucks.

>>10523001
You fail to understand that most people simply do not have the time nor the resources required to research every itty bitty purchase they make.

>>10522714
You say it like you need to work mandatory hours to hold onto your status, and that people actually care about you or something.
I've been Contributor for around two years now, yet I only ever do what I feel like, whenever I feel like it. I'd translate stories I come across that I want to share with people and upload the occasional interesting image, and this only happens a couple times a month. That's pretty much how I got my status too, I suppose.
Also, I don't think this membership stuff even affects us Contributors. Last I checked, we had all the perks of the paying members, and more.

>>10522732
That's not going to change anything. With the way Danbooru works, it takes less than half a second for them to browse over a thumbnail of your image, decide they don't like it, then ignore it, and it'll go away forever, all by itself. The upload limit that your account has, on the other hand, will start to diminish as your posts drop off into the waste bin.

>>10523031
>status:deleted is mostly decent pictures that just weren't approved, you obviously haven't got a clue.
Did status:deleted work for regular users in the older version of Danbooru? I never bothered to look at that tag, but I did notice that `status:deleted user:USERNAME` stopped working recently.
You're partially right. They've rejected stuff I salvaged from oekaki boards a few times, and I wasn't happy about it. I've even toyed with the idea of creating a booru that automatically scrapes a few high quality oekaki boards, just because I think it's sad that so much of the cool art posted on them just gets deleted within a week. We could even archive the threads themselves and maybe some kind anon would translate some of the more interesting ones.
In the end, though, it's hard to do quality control for an archive the size of Danbooru. I'd rather the filtering system have some false positives (decent stuff that is rejected) than overwhelming false negatives (utter trash that gets approved anyway) like Gelbooru.

>>10523076
Oh, I'm sorry, but did you mix up false positives and negatives?

>>10523069
I think you misread my post, because I agree with that 100%. It's incredibly autistic to call people stupid just because they don't perfectly research every purchase.
It's also kinda stupid to call donating to Danbooru a "purchase decision." I think most people donating see it as a donation with added perks, and not paying for a service. As much as moot likes to rationalize 4chan passes as purchase, I see those as donations with perks as well. I have neither, but if I did, I would donate thinking "here's for running this site that I've enjoyed for years" and not "$20 sounds like a good deal for not having to type in the CAPTCHA for a year."

>>10523083
No, but I did word that pretty strangely. A positive on a filter is a rejection, a negative is a pass. Think about diseases, and how you don't want a test for HIV to turn up positive.

>>10523102
The deal with 4chan passes is that moot is so against donations, but needs support for 4chan so badly, that he needed an extremely good rationalization for it. The current system just happens to be (mostly) perfect for him to accept.

>>10523139
I know. I'm just saying that I when I purchase something and actually give a fuck about the receiving party, it feels like giving a donation to me.

I wish the "entitled" troll would fuck off to /pol/

I hope he's a troll and not actually this stupid.

>>10523102
I do grant you the fact that providing support to the community is probably at the core of these purchase donations, but I see a clear self-serving element present as well. Not all people donate with benevolent intentions fueling their actions - it is like donating to PBS/NPR. Some are paying out of the sheer goodness of their heart and they appreciate watching Downton Abbey or whatever. Others are doing so because they get to flash their tote bag to their hipster friends.

I'm not saying you're wrong, mind you. I am simply pointing out that what's at work it not terribly clear cut. I've worked enough dumb charity bake sales and mixers to know who is donating from the heart and who is boosting their ego.

>>10522802
Have there actually been complaints by artists to remove their content?

>>10523139
The "purchase" is a fig leaf. Given the relative uselessness of the feature (from what I've heard) most are giving because they want to coat moot's face with large, dirty wads...of cash

>>10523206
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?utf8=%E2%9C%93&tags=banned_artist&commit=Go

>>10523177
No, people who honestly think that they deserve free entertainment with no repercussions are entitled.

I am 100% serious when I type this.

>>10523102
I forgot to mention:
>It's incredibly autistic to call people stupid just because they don't perfectly research every purchase.
You are forgetting where you are posting

>>10523076
>I'd rather the filtering system
You're a fagot.

>>10523001
The worst kind of autist, the kind who believes he is smarter than people in this thread and won't shut up about how entitled the "average internet user"/4chan/whatever is.

>Well then, I guess Danbooru is a valuable service after all!
Best doesn't mean good.

>Why don't you
Proof you're fucking stupid. Anyone with half a brain can name three reasons right off the bat why a better but lesser known and newer alternative would not work.

>get to work
>your allowance
"LEL FUCKING MANCHILDREN GET A JOB AND PAY FOR PLATINIUM ACCOUNT" is basically what you're saying.

Once you get tired of fighting strawman, you can argue back, but until then you're grounded. Stay the fuck away from 4chan you danbooru drone.

>>10522933
>someone has to pay the bill at the end of the day
picture acquisition cost paid by Danbooru: $0.

If it costs that much to fuel, maybe the system they use is rotten as shit and they should cease and desist?

>exist solely to profit off of piracy of actual "digital goods"
Like making people pay to view illegal content that creates none of those

>on behalf of every free service on the fucking internet
Just because you say so doesn't make it true, chanp.

>The biggest "competitors," (sic)
You mean pixiv, the dude you rip 99% of your stuff from?

> Being able to search English language tags and read soft-scanlations is a tremendous value-add over stumbling around Pixiv.
Why not just make a pixiv guide you buttnerd? You could even put your shiny shitty pseudonym at the end and a donation button, for your epenis and jewgold.

>>10522768
>you are literally costing the Danbooru owner money
He literally chose to literally host his literally shitty site, literally his fault, not the users. Literally.

>I've probably been on here longer than most of you nerds
Being old != being wise.
>Lest anyone think I'm sucking Danbooru cock
Again, stating you don't doesn't magically make it into truth.

This thread's posters are PLATINUM mad.

>>10523353
>The worst kind of autist, the kind who believes he is smarter than people in this thread and won't shut up about how entitled the "average internet user"/4chan/whatever is.
He's right, too.

>Anyone with half a brain can name three reasons right off the bat why a better but lesser known and newer alternative would not work.
Who cares how many people know about it?

>"LEL FUCKING MANCHILDREN GET A JOB AND PAY FOR PLATINIUM ACCOUNT" is basically what you're saying.
What he actually said was, "either don't use Danbooru, or use the free service, or pay for a platinum account, but whichever choice you take, stop whining about it."

>He literally chose to literally host his literally shitty site, literally his fault, not the users. Literally.
And he literally chose to restrict the number of tags you can search without paying for a premium account, and some people literally have chosen to pay for premium accounts.

Is there a point you're trying to make, though.

>>10523353
You do sound kind of entitled, so I'll tell you what. I'll shut up when you stop lashing out like a child that has had its rattle taken away from it.

'entitled' is a /v/ meme fyi

eagerly awaiting it to run its course on this board

>>10523367
serious burn

>>10523206
>>10523220
That link isn't particularly intuitive to people unfamiliar with the site, so: Yes. Danbooru does occasionally receive requests from artists to remove their content from the site. I'm not familiar with the procedures involved, but there are few enough requests that it's likely not an issue, and their works can be promptly removed. There's a list of said artists if you search for "banned_artists" under the wiki, but that page seems to be broken right now.

>>10523384
Entitled is not being used as the /v/ meme in this thread.

>>10523221
Paying danbooru for something available for free elsewhere?
And being unhappy/unwilling to do it is entitlement?
That's what you're saying.

What most people are saying: Danbooru does a shit job at what it does and the fee is unjustified, the limitation arbitrary and stupid.
Which is true.

If you really think that paying for a CD published by sony music is a better alternative than donating to an artist who'se track you've downloaded for free ; which is what your opinion seem to be - but maybe you suck at expressing yourself- then you are fucking stupid beyond any form of salvation.

And if you think that most fees are justified, It's even worse.

Downloading doesn't steal anyone, doesn't deprive anyone from money.
"not adding" isn't the same as "removing".

Of course, if there is an artist who'se work you really like, a donation is appropriate.

Poets, writers and all artists used to live off of donations. look up "patronage".

What constitute the price of most "officially released" works can be sumed up easily: advertisement.
However, in a well bred society this only translates into unwanted noise.

Also, on an unrelated note, I personally pay for independant works, if I can afford to do so.
Anything one could describe by either official, comercial or retail- or, really, anything of that flavour, you should have gotten my point by now- will never get any money from me.

>>10523384
I can't wait for /v/ to turn words like "challenging" or "impressive" into memes so everybody has to stop using them.

>>10523415
The only limitation that is arbitrary is the tag limit, which doesn't block content behind a paywall.

>>10523423
le impressive challenge accepted face xD

>>10523353
I don't know if it was your intent, but I audibly chuckled at your post, and haven't been able to stop grinning since I read it. Thank you kindly for it.

>>10523423

it only happens with words that are toxic to intelligent discussion, and 'entitled' is one

>>10523415
>And being unhappy/unwilling to do it is entitlement?
Whining about it because they should be willing to service you for free is entitlement. It's a take it or leave it service.

Whining about it on principle because profiting on other's work without their knowledge or consent is something else.

>If you really think that paying for a CD published by sony music is a better alternative than donating to an artist who'se track you've downloaded for free.
Not every artist has a homepage with a donate button on it.

>>10523379
B-but I never use danbooru. And never did.

Apparently being idealistic and disliking daylight robbery is something entitled children do.

Why do you hate kids this much, though?
Are you one of those fags from SA or the faggot mod from gelbooru?

Also your mindset is comparable to youtube people who keep on chanting as if to mimic a broken vinyl: "if you don't like it don't comment"; and that, not only is a violation of freedom of speech, but also, and most disgustingly, fucking retarded.

>>10523427
All negative terms, such as "faggot" and "retard", don't particularly contribute to intelligent discussion but nobody really cares if you use them.

>>10523448
The problem here is that you're discussing something which you aren't educated about. Please leave.

>>10523440
>Not every artist has a homepage with a donate button on it.
That's their fucking problem for being stupid, not mine.

>>10523448
>Are you one of those fags from SA or the faggot mod from gelbooru?
And where are you from? Your posts sound like you're desperately trying to deliver ownage with every line, and it gets tiring really quickly.

>Also your mindset is comparable to youtube people who keep on chanting as if to mimic a broken vinyl: "if you don't like it don't comment"; and that, not only is a violation of freedom of speech, but also, and most disgustingly, fucking retarded.
Why would you watch or comment on videos that you don't like?

>>10523467
>>10523470
^

>>10523453
>The problem here is that you're discussing something which you aren't educated about. Please leave.
If that were true you wouldn't have to resort to ad-hominem to prove me wrong, kid.
:-)

>>10523467
You're pathetic.

>>10523461
>it gets tiring really quickly.
If that were true you wouldn't be begging for me to reply so insistently.
:-)

i wish this thread could die

i hate it

>>10523480
don't worry, the shitty thread about racism in japan didn't take off, but this one >>10523180 seems promising.
Keep on funposting /b/rah.
:-)

Which touhou would you take a nap with? I'd take a nap with Ran.

>>10523477
I am not "begging you to reply," but I have written replies that you have not replied to, and since you aren't replying them and making contentless :-) posts I'll just assume you have no actual interest in the subject matter and were just posting in this thread to try and own some noob.

>>10523477
I am not "begging you to reply," but I have written replies to you that you have chosen not to reply to, and since you're just making contentless :-) shitposts instead I'll just assume you have no actual interest in the subject matter and were just posting in this thread to try and own some noob.

I really hate it when people don't give me things for free.

>>10523513

why are you saying this like there's anything wrong with it

obviously we prefer a free service to a paid one and there is nothing shameful or bad about this

>>10523492
Are you always so angry about everything? I feel sorry for you, and all the people who spent so much time typing out these essays.

Accusing someone of being from another board doesn't automatically make you better than them.

>>10523415
It seems clear to me that you do not understand how mass produced music is made profitable, the primary aspect of which is the sale of copies of the record.

>Also, on an unrelated note, I personally pay for independant works, if I can afford to do so.
Your poverty does not give you licence to rip off starving artists.

>Anything one could describe by either official, comercial or retail- or, really, anything of that flavour, you should have gotten my point by now- will never get any money from me.
And yet you seem to be more than willing to consume it.

>>10523521
(they're being sarcastic)

>>10523448
>not only is a violation of freedom of speech
Oh my god how retarded can people be
haha

Seriously how am I violating your rights
Please tell me

>>10523001
>The Danbooru owner releases the source to the software that runs the site, and does so under a permissive license, You can actually go ahead and make your very own Danbooru clone right now, with no limit to the amount of tags in search queries, no ads, and no donations solicited! Why don't you get to work on one right now and see how long you can keep it running on your allowance?

>Why don't you get to work on one right now and see how long you can keep it running on your allowance?

>>10523353
>get to work
>your allowance

>"LEL FUCKING MANCHILDREN GET A JOB AND PAY FOR PLATINIUM ACCOUNT" is basically what you're saying.

Is that what he's saying? That's not what I'm reading here. He's telling you to get up, get out, stop whining, and go create your own booru. All the means for you to do so are provided free of charge, by the owner of Danbooru. No "job," no "pay," and especially no platinum account involved. What are you waiting for?

>>10523543
I know, sometimes I feel like 4chan is full of early/mid teenagers.
Oh, wait, it is.

>>10523489
Yeah I'd totes take a nap with Ran

I don't wanna get sharked by futa Ran though

>>10523460
So find out where they live and fuck, I dunno, mail them a few singles or a cheque or something.

Artists actually like this, I got a bumper sticker as a thank you

>>10523543
Shit picture of a shit 2hu.
wud not take a nap with

>>10523560
>So find out where they live and fuck, I dunno, mail them a few singles or a cheque or something.
I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

>>10523573
When my dad played video games in his prime, he would always mail his favorite developer of the week/month some postcards or letters. He got a lot of thankses, and one guy was a little awkward but glad he was appreciated enough to be mailed. It's not strange or stalkery, really, to find out someone's address to mail them something.

Don't give them money, simple as that.

If you want to be malicious, find a way to give them a tough time. Try to kick the kike where it hurts.

>>10523590
Depends on what resources you got in your hands/on your computer atm.
>A website
Most will have some sort of contact information. Send the artist an e-mail/pm/comment asking if you can mail donations via cheque.
>A CD, cassette, or other physical product
Look for any kind of address, really. If all you can find is a label, do research on it. Chances are (especially if the artist is super duper independent) the "label" is a couple of dudes pressing CD-Rs in a basement and selling them out of a beat up old Honda

Really it is all about research. Look for names, addresses, whatever, any contact information that can lead you straight away. Don't be shy asking questions, most will be friendly if your line of questioning is "I really like your stuff, can I give you free money?"

Same goes for fan artists and doujin artists if you speak nip.

>>10523699
meant to quote
>>10523573

>>10523569
Get bent Rumia's best loli 2hu

>>10523709
fuk off weeb

>>10523733
I'll fight u

bump you all got trolled

>>10523489
Nap with a professional napper.

That tag limit up to 12 is useless until you want to search something like "large_breasts milf pussy_juice inverted_nipples precum paizuri condom mole faceless_male kitchen gloves uncensored".

>>10523709
>Rumia
>Not Tewi
Step up, senpai.
Just look at this rabbit pile. You KNOW you wanna hop into that and just sleep an afternoon away.

>>10523924
Fuck Tewi. Toss her down one of her put traps and fill it back up.

>>10523907
Hmmm there's something wrong, I was only able to do 5 even though the limit is supposed to be 6. And even whittled down to 5 I found nothing with those tags, shame on you.

>>10523977
Shame on you for buying one account, retardmaster.

Had a privileged (gold) account but I decided to pay another $40 for platinum. Feels good actually having a job and not having to worry about money.

>>10523994
I already said my regrets no need to rub it in.

> Feb 20: If you paid for an upgrade recently and still aren't seeing it, email me with your username and real name

hey guys please give me your real name

paying isn't enough

>You can access 90% of safebooru.org without an account, but you can sign up for that extra bit of functionality. Just a login and password, no email required!
What's that 10%? I assume it's not images it is blocking without account. I hope.

So how is the admin getting the money back to the artists?

I mean, Eric Bauman at least did that.

Danbooru
>maximum jew
>rearravaged faggots can decide to get pictures deleted if they don't like them
>hidden content availble in exchange for jewgold

Gelbooru
>bans tags because they have buttharmed cumdumpsters as moderators
>limits on results because muh sql queries, it will be hard to see older entries

Danbooru is shit because the admins are jewish as fuck.
Gelbooru is shit because the admins delete shit they personally find offensive.

>>10525372
>admins delete shit they personally find offensive.
Doesn't Danbooru also do that, in addition to letting even more faggots than just admins to do it too?

>>10524042
You are paying for stolen content retard. I would have no problem paying them If they created what they are putting up for display/blocking.

>>10525385
They just delete shit that doesn't belong to Danbooru.

>jews jews jews
/pol/ get out

>>10522868
>but in this world
The legal system is balls on head stupid. I want a reform.

>>10525437
Why? They're acting like jews. It's an accurate term for them.

>>10525413
Does it look like I care?

>>10525372
Sounds almost like BCG and GGn

>>10524042
You're lying, it only costs $20 to go from gold to platinum.

>>10523406
But the works aren't actually removed, they're just hidden from poor entitled babies.

>>10527195
> But the works aren't actually removed, they're just removed.
Want to try that one again, fagstorm?

Here's a tip: Think before you post.

>>10527195
Yeah mate fuck those poor entitled babies that can't pay like us to view content artist explicitely wanted to be removed.

Fuck those artists anyway, and fuck the whining assholes waving "freedoms" and bullshit. What a bunch of fags, just because they don't want to pay but steal instead.

>>10526881
You should. You really should.

I like how people keep talking about how Danbooru is "stealing" from artists. The vast majority of what's uploaded are taken from Pixiv, the artists' own websites, or various open sources across the net, where it's provided for anybody who finds it, completely free of charge. Danbooru doesn't "steal" FREE artwork. It compiles, archives, catalogs, tags, and sometimes translates it, all in one convenient place, for free. It even provides a link back to the source that it's taken from, and gives credit where it's due. Seriously, what Danbooru does is even less of "stealing" than what any person does when they're saving an image off an artist's Pixiv page, or compiling a list of bookmarks of artists' websites.

What a person would be paying for with paid membership is the services it provides to them, including helping to pay for the bandwidth they are using. That's right, the SERVICES the site provides, not the image content. Anybody is completely capable of searching out, saving, archiving, tagging, and translating for themselves, but Danbooru does this for them.

If anything, it should be the hardworking contributors who spend countless hours of their time maintaining Danbooru for free, who should be complaining that the site is making money off their efforts. They're the ones who have the most legitimate reason to.

Yet, they're the ones who are now standing up for and vehemently defending the site. I would know, because I'm one of them. That's why we see those who whine and complain about piracy and thievery as entitled children who are always extending their little hands, taking all they can, and giving nothing back, then crying and throwing a tantrum when there's anything they feel they deserve, but isn't handed to them on a silver platter.

We do what we can for the site, because we feel that providing high-quality service to the community is both a pride and a privilege to us. Please don't take us too much for granted.

>>10527477
I unironically support this post.

>>10528800
Pls go Teruyo

Do gifs on Gelbooru take forever to load for anyone else? If not, do you know why? If I try to open more than a couple at the same time, they all break. I can open a bunch of gifs on 4chan and let them load even on its shitty servers so I don't think it's me.

>>10528893
gifs were really slow on gelbooru for me too, and from what I hear the site's only gotten slower since I last used it.

Better Better Booru fixed yet?

>>10528800
>I like how people keep talking about how Danbooru is "stealing" from artists. The vast majority of what's uploaded are taken from Pixiv, the artists' own websites, or various open sources across the net, where it's provided for anybody who finds it, completely free of charge.


The authors explicitly say not to reproduce their work.

>What a person would be paying for with paid membership is the services it provides to them, including helping to pay for the bandwidth they are using.

Their wouldn't be a need to pay if people used the artists original website and pixiv.

>Yet, they're the ones who are now standing up for and vehemently defending the site.

I'm a contributor and I say fuck them. We've had other contributors say the same thing.

>We do what we can for the site, because we feel that providing high-quality service to the community is both a pride and a privilege to us. Please don't take us too much for granted.

Don't delude yourself. I'd argue that you're wasting your time and doing ill to fan artists who make these works.

>>10528800
I like how people keep talking about how Ebaumsworld is "stealing" from artists. The vast majority of what's uploaded are taken from Newgrounds, the artists' own websites, or various open sources across the net, where it's provided for anybody who finds it, completely free of charge. Ebaumsworld doesn't "steal" FREE artwork. It compiles, archives, catalogs, tags, and sometimes translates it, all in one convenient place, for free. It even provides a link back to the source that it's taken from, and gives credit where it's due. Seriously, what Ebaumsworld does is even less of "stealing" than what any person does when they're saving an image off an artist's DeviantART page, or compiling a list of bookmarks of artists' websites.

Ehh? That doesn't seem too bad.

Quick question: did they fuck up and remove the "I Agree" link from the Terms of Service redirect page?

http://danbooru.donmai.us/static/terms_of_service?url=http://danbooru.donmai.us/

$40 for life is a lot better than 3DPD porn sites.

Do we have better_better_booru 2.0 yet?

>>10530345
Nobody pays for porn, even 3D porn.

>>10522768
>lest
are you a jesus dude

How to argue like a true Murrican on the Internet:

"Strawman fallacy entitled ad hominem! The burden of proof is on your autism, because you're uneducated and biased strawman. Hitler. Jews."

>>10523861
Where the fuck did the "Meiling is a napper XD" "meme" come anyway?

>>10530814
There's a trendy new website called yourlogicalfallacyis.com. The idea is you link to it in online arguments, e.g.
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I'm glad it exists because it shows just how annoying this sort of thing is. If you have a problem with someone's argument, just say what that problem is. It's fine to know it's an argumentum ad consequentiam or whatever, but name dropping is just annoying.

The only good thing about sankaku is their infinitively superior image searching.

>>10530827
Wait, does Sankaku's search have some improvements over Gelbooru's? I doubt that, the only thing that could further improve it is better tagging.

>>10530817
From Touhou Project.

>>10530052
You're giving shitty Ebaumsworld too much credit.

>>10530372
Were you born yesterday?

Astroturfing! Astroturfing! Get yer astroturfing right here! We got astroturfing of all kinds! Today get an extra on astroturfing shit nobody cares about!

>>10530047
>The authors explicitly say not to reproduce their work.

And Danbooru respects their requests for removal, should they make one. No further uploads by these artists are then accepted onto the site. Danbooru is maintained by numerous contributors, the majority of whom aren't fluent in moon. Thus, should artists state their wishes on their own webpage in their own native language, there is always the probability they may not be immediately heeded.

>Their wouldn't be a need to pay if people used the artists original website and pixiv.

That's exactly true, and Danbooru does not stop anyone from doing such a thing. As was stated, if anyone wishes to search for, archive, tag, and translate for themselves, then by all means, they have my blessings, along with that of, I'm sure, many others on Danbooru. For those who might have a little bit less time or energy on their hands, however, Danbooru will receive them with open arms, again, free of charge.

>I'm a contributor and I say fuck them. We've had other contributors say the same thing.

I'm sorry to hear that. Working for the betterment of the community, with little recognition, and hardly any reward is an arduous task. I understand that it isn't for everybody. May you and the others find joy in another line of work.

>Don't delude yourself. I'd argue that you're wasting your time and doing ill to fan artists who make these works.

I may be delusional in some eyes, but not every person can understand one another perfectly. I understand that there are people who might not find enjoyment in what I do, but I wouldn't fault them for it either. Your last comment does make you sound like one of those anti-piracy advocates though. I hope I'm wrong.

>>10531773
>And Danbooru respects their requests for removal

By charging to view their content, without paying a dime to the author?

>Ads
>Yes
>None

Shouldn't that be "Yes"/"No" or "Some"/"None"?

>>10531783
Pay for what? The author doesn't charge a dime for the original content either.

>>10531783

Again, paid membership is for the -service- the site provides, not the image content. In this case, members would be paying for use of Danbooru's archival -service-. Any person is entirely capable of visiting the artist's webpage and saving and archiving the images for themselves, without the use of Danbooru, but Danbooru can also do this for them.

Is it so hard to use Pixiv, christ. I'm assuming you have the mental capacity to do so, but are too lazy for whatever reason.

>>10531889
if you weren't lazy you wouldn't be here

>>10531820
To view deleted posts.

>>10531884
That's a pretty cop out answer. Nobody is paying for the code, they are paying for the images. Remove the code, people would still view the images even if it just one big Apache index listing. Remove the images and leave the site infrastructure, nobody would have any reason to visit it.
Or, to put it another way, if I took some music someone else made, I can't burn it to a CD and sell it because I'm charging for the "service of burning it and the cost of the CD".

>>10531894

I'm lazy but not too lazy as to see an artist's work in a place that the artist is perfectly aware of and controls the content allowed to be there.

>>10531889
Japanese tags. I'm not learning another language just to find porn.

What would be useful (and I hope they do this) is if English Pixiv adds English aliases for tags. I think they started doing this for the Pixiv encyclopedia.

>>10531895

I won't argue that users would still be visiting Danbooru if it provided nothing of value to them, but that's just the nature of its service. Regardless of whether Danbooru exists, people will still have the ability to search up their own images themselves. Nobody is stopping them from skipping the code and going to the source. It's all up to them.

Your analogy is a good one though. To continue it, there's an entire record labels industry built up on exactly the premise you mention: using music made by others, then making money from providing the services of production, marketing, and distribution for it. The one analogy between them and Danbooru, that seems to be driving most debate, however, is the question of royalties. I don't know how much of what Danbooru makes can be considered profit, assuming there is any at all, but the site provides artists with free publicity in an audience that would otherwise have no knowledge of them, expanding their viewership, which is, arguable, their most valued asset as artists, while making no requests or constraints and at no cost to them. The artists themselves are able to break away from this relationship whenever they choose.

>>10531914
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/65644

forget about layout, we can change it via local userscript.
the bigger problem is to view 'status:deleted' post we must pay gold account.

blunder of 2013....

Is someone going to make a script to make loli and shota visible again? Loli and shota can still be viewed on the imgbrd-grabber, so it must be possible.

>>10521769

>>10533255
The people who made the first script are working to get it to work on the new danbooru.

>>10532038
>there's an entire record labels industry built up on exactly the premise you mention

That bit's true, but the artists are paid and agree to it (not that it still isn't unfair).

>I don't know how much of what Danbooru makes can be considered profit

If they're operating at a loss, that's their own problem. I'd be fine with advertising to make up some of the costs, or donations if it's actually a donation (in which case I'd gladly donate). Fact is, there are people with money and bandwidth out there. If the admin of Danbooru isn't one of those people, he has no business running a website like this.
If Danbooru does make a profit, it should go to the artists somehow, though I admit that's impractical. If we're truly paying for a service, it should go to the contributors who meticulously sort and tag and translate all the content, since that's the secondary point of the service people are paying for.

>>10534577
>the site provides artists with free publicity in an audience that would otherwise have no knowledge of them, expanding their viewership, which is, arguable, their most valued asset as artists, while making no requests or constraints and at no cost to them.

This part is outright bullshit. I used to work in gigs promotions, and some venues would ask bands to work for free (or even to pay) using arguments like, "Well, you get publicity at our bar."
That's not how it works. It's the same for people like Danny Choo who ask people to work for free, and say, "You get credit and experience."
I understand that these people put their work in Pixiv where it's viewable for no cost (though I've also encountered a few for-profit doujinshi on there), but the point remains that someone else is making money from it. Back to the CD example, I can't make a mix CD of various bands' songs without their permission or paying a dime to them, then sell them and reap the profit saying, "You get free publicity. Also, the sales cover the cost of making the CDs."

You do raise some good points, but at the end of the day the artists didn't opt into this. They uploaded their work on a website that says the image data submitted is the copyright of the user who created the image. Another website is illegally redistributing their work without permission, and making money from it (even if it's not as direct as, "Buy Kazu39's collection for $9.99!"). That's a dick move.

>>10534580
Cry more faggot. Intellectual property is fucking stupid.

>>10530934
What part of it, exactly? I don't remember Meliling being asleep while I was on her stage.

>>10530827
Sorry for the autism, but you surely meant infinitely, not infinitively.

There are ads on 4chan?
Loladblock

>>10534671
Does a 4chan Pass remove ads?

Problem with gelbooru is that nothing gets translated there as often as they do on danbooru

"DANBOOOOOORU! WHERE'S MY GOLD ACCOUNT, YOU SONUVABITCH?"

>>10521784
Game journalist websites would be significantly better if they were subscription based, actually. The reason it's so shitty now is because they get all of their money from advertising for game publishers, which causes all kinds of corruption.

>>10535391
A couple of years ago someone here kept spamming the link to some website like that. It was ran by a guy called Icytea or something.