/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hitbox challenge:
1. IN Spell Practice
2. Spellcard 147
3. Solo Marisa
4. Highest time orbs win

Megaman 2 challenge: buster only, no hit (except airman)

>>10446887
Good luck on the final boss.

>>10446887
I have a friend who did that without even getting hit on airman, it was pretty cool

Please stream, /jp/

>>10446905
Yeah, it's possible. But airman's attacks are pretty random and some tornado constellations are impossible to dodge - unless it's tool assisted or luck (imo).

>>10446895
Thanks!

good doujin shmups ?

Cleared the special challenge with two lives remaining.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26756

I cleared the special challenge with 0 lives left. Lunatic no-bombs is way easier. :3

>>10446815
>Scoring challenge: IN Extra with other shots than Youmu solo
>1. Every shot-type barring Youmu is welcome
That's racist.

Special
replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?=26761

Am I supposed to play shmups nonstop until I get good at them?

>>10447485
That's how you get good at everything.

>>10447485
nah, you don't really get "rusty" at these games nearly as easily as some other games like starcraft

I just tried touhou for the first time a few days ago (I made a thread about it here) with PCB. I haven't been able to 1CC it yet, but my most recent accomplishment was beating the first three stages all without a single life lost (on normal). Alice is pretty tough.

I know it's not a big deal to most people, but it feels good. I'm going to keep trying the stages in practice mode, I figure if I can beat most of them individually without losing a life, then I should be able to 1CC it when I play all the way through.

>>10447590
Doesn't really work for the first games where the stage becomes harder if you don't lose any life. You won't have that in practice moe.

>>10447620
Oh, I thought the bosses just get harder if you don't kill them soon enough? I didn't know it was dependent on whether or not you lost a life.

>>10447628
Oh well. Maybe I was talking out of my ass.

>>10447641
The thing is, I don't know either. Just what I've heard from people who try to do passive runs and things.

>>10447583
Shmups are probably 95% memorization, so they're much easier to get rusty at than multiplayer games.

For example, I can go for months without playing Street Fighter 4 and still win most of the matches I play online. But with a shmup, you'll have to relearn all of the very small details that you've undoubtedly forgotten.

Improved the special clear.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26771

>>10447306
Blue Wish Resurrection Plus is the best doujin game

>>10448339
That's a really weird way to spell Crimzon Clover.

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>>10447474
can't download it for some reason.

>>10447398
Don't feel bad about it, Hutina. I wanted to close Youmu out to encourage someone into playing the other girls.

As the special challenges go, it is quite hard to come up with original and fun-to-play ideas, since NMNBNF will run out of things to do rather fast. Which is why I'd rather include maximal grazing or pacifism or such shenanigans. Again, asking from the thread's opinion.

>>10448506
Max graze would be fun, no vert maybe. also put some PC98 & non Touhou challenge in sometimes.

>>10448506
For future challenges, I suggest doing single stage scoring/challenges/whatever, as opposed to full runs. It may get more people motivated to play and may have more submissions. It would also be more appropriate for the time limit, seeing as to how quickly these threads fly by due to shitposting and arguing.

Is MoF Marisa B broken or something?

>>10448616
Unfocused shot at 3.xx power does 4x the damage it should.

>>10448616
No way. That kind of "bug" has to be intentional.

>>10448621
So it do 0 damage if it's in 3.00?

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26780

How do I charming siege from all sides? If I had known this run would turn out like this I'd have tried to do a no death run.

First time capture of Izuna gongen.

Ran is really fun.

>>10448616
I would assume so. I don't think spellcards are supposed to be cleared in less than 6 seconds by jackhammering shift.

>>10448658
Is that how it worked. I saw a replay and the boss life bar just fucking evaported.

>>10448637
Siege is basically don't run into the cyan nets. There's a fair amount of room, but it's a visual clusterfuck. I consider it Ran's hardest card until Unilateral Contract.

>>10448658
You're confusing MoF Marisa B with IN MAlice cannon.

I know it's a bit subjective but what would be the best order to approach the games in order to slowly build your skills up?

I haven't played any Touhou in a few years and want to play the games after IN but I just feel like I'm too slow, especially in SA

>>10448909
Eat fish and feel your brain speed up.

>>10448921
What if my fingers are too heavy?

>>10448923
Practice while wearing these bad boys.

>>10448909
Start out with PCB, it has a very newbie-friendly mechanic that doesn't get in the way of just playing the game.

>>10448909
Play on normal until you can consistently 1cc. Go ahead and use continues to practice the later stages.

Unless you want to be super pro and play lunatic.

>>10448975
Actually, I'd recommend moving ahead to a new game or Hard mode as soon as you clear Normal.

>>10448975
Is it better to continue on a failed run or start from the beginning?

>>10449206
Continue.

>>10449206
If you only care about making numbers go up, continue.

I finally unlocked Phantasm! Now I just need to try to make it to Yukari with more than one life.

>>10449659
Congrats! I also need to clear Phantasm myself.

>>10449659
Phantasm has got to be one of the funnest things I've done in Touhou. It's not too hard. Most of it is streaming. But it's still really fun.

Anyone streaming?

>>10450038
Yes, quite often, in fact. Especially when I'm playing SA.

Hardest STG ever with commentary.

DO IT ALL THE WAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZl3NXsUQ

I'm in the same boat as >>10448909 and I have some questions. Is a keyboard fine for playing STGs? Should I focus on my hitbox and use my peripheral vision to look for paths or the other way around? I seem to die a lot when I shift my focus and I can't really see anything for a split second.

>>10450577
Keyboard is the weapon choice for most people, if you already have or are willing to spend money on a mechanical keyboard that's a huge bonus. As for eye focus, try to take in as much of the screen as you can unless you're making some particuarily tight dodges.

>>10450577
As long as your keyboard supports more than 5 simultaneous key presses you should be fine.

>>10450584
>>10450591
Thanks, I'm using Cherry MX Reds right now, last time I played was on Blues and the tactile feedback made it impossible for me to make precise movements.

>>10450592
Reds are what I use as well and they work great, good choice.

Why is Marisa so much better than Raymoo in EoSD and IN?

>>10450704
>Why is Marisa so much better than Raymoo in EoSD
Stop using ReimuA.

>>10450785
You think b is better? I use MarisaB.

>>10450791
>You think b is better?
Yes.

>I use MarisaB.
That's nice.

>>10448111
Now that the MariB thing actually helps you to skip attacks, I'm not going to allow it. I didn't mean the challenge for you to cheese the game with some power control shenanigans, I meant it for you to dodge things unfocused.

The runs using MariB bug will be disabled. You'll be allowed to use MarisaB just fine, but if you manage yourself at 3.xx power, I'll ignore the submission.

>>10450973
But that's how ZUN made the game.

Good game 5/5 unfocusing isn't shit at all.

Please stream, /jp/

>>10450560
that's not DOJ Death Label

>>10450973
>Every shot-type is welcome

Nothing is stopping you from using Marisa B yourself.

>>10451210
It's unsportsmanlike to actually abuse a function to skip most of the game.

I meant the MoF challenge to be a bit challenging and fun, instead of game-skipping with an overly powerful laser. I simply didn't think that people would resort to using the 3.xx laser function when I created the thread.

>>10451225
That's your mistake then, it's rude to retcon the rules after people started playing.

>>10451225
Zun made the game that way, you should have specified.

Would lunatic 1ccing earn me mad street cred among bitches who cosplay as 2hus?

>>10451225
You could have been politer and apologised for not specifying, but I thought it was obvious that abusing Marisa B wouldn't be allowed.

>>10451271
I'm pretty sure it's the same as with Kingdom Hearts, it's their favorite game they never touched.

>>10451275
>abusing

But that's how the game is designed.

>>10451286
It's how the game is designed, but it makes the contest far less enjoyable, as it effectively forces use of a single character. That's why I assumed no one would use her.

>>10451268
>>10451275
>>10451231
You sure seem to be the same person.

I can take in submissions that use the bugged MarisaB, if the people of the thread want so. The challenge is for you people, after all, not me. I just thought that you'd find it more fun if it had some silly unfocused dodging instead of power control shenanigans.

Whichever suits you better.

And I do indeed apologize for not being clear about things.

>>10451286
>>10450991
>>10451268

Stop being so dumb. First of all, ZUN obviously did not give 3xx power absurd unfocused power on purpose. It's only common sense that submissions like that wouldn't be allowed.

Secondly, any NFNB run that uses that laser is bound to suck major ass since you won't be able to get many extends because you can't PoC much if you want to stay at low power.

Of course you could stick to moderate use of the laser and only use it if a boss kills you and you only pick up 3 power but you can only do that so many times before your run will be shit anyway.

Thirdly, as the OP pointed out; it's an unsportmanlike thing to abuse a glitch to achieve better results than the ones who acknowledges it as a glitch and therefore doesn't use it. Furthermore, have you considered that maybe the OP wasn't aware of the power glitch? That might be possible.

Think a bit instead of being so nitpicky about an accidental omission in the challenge definition please.

>>10451372
>extends
It's harder to not get every extend than to get them. The score required is laughably low.

>>10451405
True enough, I only did one test run just to see and avoiding the power items for the most part also lead to avoiding the point items. I could only PoC when there weren't a lot of power items on screen. This would obviously also result in a lot of faith dropping.

I tried to avoid dying and getting more than 3xx in my run and i failed miserably at both. I'd actually like to see a run that doesn't die, keeps the power at 3xx and scores over 150m. maybe i'm just retarded too

>>10451204
Futari Ultra 1.01 could also be the hardest game. Nobody has beaten it yet, but one guy has come very close. I'm sure he'll beat it soon.

>>10451372
Look up the word "bare assertion fallacy" in the dictionary and draw a picture of your post next to it.

>>10450560
"Hardest STG ever" is a misnomer. Many games can be made harder than Futari Ultra by attempting WR-level scoring.

>>10451611
And here we see the fallacy fallacy.

It's not like there's a feature in MoF to drop your power whenever you want to either....

>>10452343
Kinda hard to do that in a no-bomb run.

（ﾉ´д｀）

>>10452411
shit score

>>10452343
>>10452353
Or you know, you could just use the vpatch and get rid of that bug.

>>10452423
No-focus pacifism tends to get no score.

>>10452411
This should help you.
http://youtu.be/dsTrwo6lpxY

>>10446815

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26817

I might improve this run...

>>10452502
I have watched that, and I honestly doubt it will improve me. First of all, watching Youtube videos doesn't increase the amount of luck one has.

And only sitting in the corner to wait for a good luck is a bad strategy. You can stream it a bit to lessen the most intense dodging.

Please stream, /jp/

>>10455553
Will stream some of Ten Desires in a bit.
http://www.twitch.tv/l3pik

Why is Futari stage 4 the best thing in the game?

>>10458045
Because it never gets too hard, but it's consistent. That's how I feel about it, anyway. I've barely played it, though.

>>10458056
I find it just above my skill level but not to the point of being frustrated. Then again I'm playing BL Original and going for score.

Worms? Moths? Shotgun all the time.

Please stream, /jp/

Is extra harder then lunatic. If so does it depend on the game. Not counting the fact that extra is one stage and lunatic is all of the stages.
Also semi-irrelevant but are the touhou fighting games any good and do I need a game pad for them?

>>10458732
Usually Extra attacks are harder than Normal and much easier than Lunatic late stages of the same game. They're often pretty gimmicky but easy to dodge once you know what to do.

So I cleared UFO yesterday for the first time. Holy shit, I was sweating at the end there.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26828

So now that I've 1CC'd the hardest game on normal should I move up to hard?

>>10458829
Don't start this nonsense.

>>10458868
Start what?

>>10458868

I can already smell the Drama in the air

>>10459087
I want to smell drmdr though.

>>10458732
IaMP good game
SWR/Soku bad games.

Hopeless Masquerade is shaping up to be decent, but I don't really like the easy commands. I'll probably just play it for a year or two to show off my natural talent, and quit after I realize that everybody in the West is going to be terrible and will never improve. Just like Hisoutensoku!

>>10459204
You should play arcade fighting games if you want competition instead of doujin shit that nobody cares about.

>>10458081
>I'm playing BL Original and going for score.

>>10459214
Oh, but I do. Luckily, I still live in an area where people still play all kinds of different fighting games.

But it's so fun to pick on the people that play Hisoutensoku competitively. People that have put countless hours into mastering the game, having studied all of the frame data, but still suck. I come along, after dropping the game for two years and playing nothing but IaMP and GG, and still manage to break even with one of the best players in the west. It's really amusing and maybe just a little bit depressing.

>>10459277
>one of the best players in the west
Namedrop? You can also play against Japan if all the West is too shitty for you.

>>10459313
I'm not namedropping anybody, it's disrespectful to do so. As for who I am, I use Alice. You should be able to figure this one out if you're active on IRC enough.

As for Japan, I have been playing with them a lot recently. They are much more talented than your average Western player, in both STGs and Fighters. I have no doubt in my mind that the West could be good at these games if they actually withstood 1,000 trials and learned the fundamentals. The good players in the West might have decent offensive skills, but they are severely lacking in defensive skill.

>>10459334
>alice

>>10459356
Yep, that's my main. What? That's not good enough for you? Fine. I also sub Sakuya and Patchouli.

>>10459334
>>10459434
lel

>>10459434
>>10459334
stop talking like you actually know how to play the game and stay on topic you fuck

why are people even defending marisaBugged, it was even patched in an MoF update.

What are your top 3 game OSTs?
Also the best song for each stage and stage boss?

I have a selfish request. May I have a translation of the result screen? Is ZUN telling me I'm awesome?

>>10460202
the pleasure of clearing inside

I just cleared GFW Extra for the first time and ZUN told me I'm a Super Player!

Feels pretty good.

If anyone plans on playing some SA please stream.

>>10460202
If you are asking for the meaning of the last line, it says
シューター免許皆伝 which translates as "full mastery of shooters".

>>10461046
If you're going to give him the actual definition at least show him the cool stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MenkyMenkyo_Kaiden

I went for a NDNB IN extra stage.
I died on Hourai Doll.
I fucking hate myself.

>>10461095
If he wants to get the cool stuff, he should google it himself.

>>10461046
>>10461095
Woop thanks.

>>10461046
>>10461095
Thank you.

>>10462772
What is the purpose of this?

>>10462772
ur the best player ever

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>>10462772
this is a pacifist, no focus, no bomb, blindfolded, ear-plug run right?

right?

Never played Touhou before...where can you download these?

>>10463047
Google moriyashrine.

>>10463047
A man holds a gun to your head and says find me a Touhou download in the next 2 minutes or I'll kill you. What would you do?

>>10463047
Don't even bother, you'll never be half as good as IRC players. :3c

>>10463064
Why would that be?

Dodonpachi Resurrection (Daifukatsu) on Xbox 360 is my first Dodonpachi game, is there any good resource for learning how to play? I can't find any, just shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU_Y1kIpg

I just don't get how to keep my hit count up. It goes up when I destroy enemies, it stays up when I laser big enemies, but sometimes when I stop hitting enemies it counts down til I hit another one, other times it disappears completely.

I dunno, i guess I'm just looking for an overall guide, I don't play many shmups and my google-fu must be weak because I can't find anything.

>>10463070
http://shmups.system11.org/

You might find something here

>>10463081
>http://shmups.system11.org/

Thank you very much dude, the first post in the strategy section is a guide to the game and all.

>>10463070
Oh, Goodness. Is that T playing DDP?

>>10463094
Be sure to pay attention to the post by Erppo in the same thread as well.

>>10463060
thanks!

>>10463070
>It goes up when I destroy enemies, it stays up when I laser big enemies, but sometimes when I stop hitting enemies it counts down til I hit another one, other times it disappears completely.
In most other DDP games it immediately drops unless you're in a boss fight. In DFK, it only zeros out when you have a hyper either activated or ready to activate. If your hyper bar isn't full then it'll just rapidly count down.

But, you don't actually get the points bonus from a high hit count if your hyper bar isn't full so you probably want to practice chaining with a full bar anyways.

>>10463132
Er, obviously this only applies when your combo bar reaches zero. If you keep the hit combo bar up at all times it'll never go down in any case.

>>10463047
lemme guess, you think touhou is freeware right?

Fuck off.

question about Sora (just beat that stage 2 harlot)

that option which I assume is supposed to change the game's aspect ratio doesn't work at all. Same for AoS2. I remember some guy asking in a past thread >>7747095
any ideas?

streaming:
livestream.com/touhougameplay
Perfect IN extra attempts.

http://www.livestream.com/Tplays

Ten Desires Extra. Goal is no miss, no bomb, all spells captured, 525M.

What kind of system specs do you need to play the more recent games? I can't get more than like 20 FPS on anything more recent than PoFV.

>>10466440
Something that's not toaster?

>>10466451
I'm using a t420 with intel integrated graphics, might that be the issue? Also, I'm running it through wine on linux

>>10466456
I'm looking at the specs and no, that shouldn't remotely be a problem. Have you tried running it in windows?

>>10466473
oh hey, they run just fine. Man, it's been a really long time since I last booted into windows.

Are there any good modern console, as in Xbox 360 and PS3, STGs. I seriously have a very limited knowledge on STGs with the only ones I've ever played being gradius, touhou, and some generic arcade games. I am being honest and apologize if this is a common troll topic.
also
>>>>PS3 has no gaems

>>10466505
There's Futari on the 360, along with a lot of other releases and such. I believe a Japanese region one is THE console to have for STGs at this point in time.

>>10466505

>>10466505
>ancient shit from over 8 years ago
>modern console

>>10466505
360 has a lot of good STGs. Quite a few on the Xbox Live Marketplace too, I believe.

>>10467095
Eight years old is modern compared to twenty eight.

>>10459957
No it wasn't, unless there's some fan patch that no one knows about

>>10467433
It's removable with the vpatch.

>>10467486
Unofficial fix. Replays created with the bugfix option will desync and cannot be submitted to Royalflare.

>>10466505
Have you been living under a rock? The 360 is the greatest console for STGs ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqtc5xytM

Is Riz the best player from the West?

>>10467931
No. Not even close.

>>10467947
Who's the best one in your opinion?

>>10467951
you :)

>>10467951
They're all retired.

>>10467951
I think we can all agree that Anonymous is the best western player.

>>10467951
xXD34DSn1p3R420Xx

>>10467951
godzilla

>>10467931
This is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever seen.

>>10467951
For Touhou or STGs in general?

>>10468054
Touhou.

>>10467986
Don't namedrop.

>>10467095
PS2 had memory issues with most shmups of the time. Ketsui for example is impossible to run on that console.

Okay what's up with MoF stage 4? I can get a perfect run with 5 lives but the stage 4 midboss has such a ridiculous difficulty spike I feel like I'm dodging danmaku that would come from a stage 6 or extra boss. By the time I get to Aya I usually have 2 lives or less.

>>10468342
Bomb twice if you really need to.

>>10468342
move left, move right, move left
momizi is ded 'r-ready

Bombs.

What keyboard does everyone use? I'm trying to get into Touhou but my laptop's keyboard is apparently shit-tier, can't even move diagonally and shoot at the same time.

>>10468359

>>10468359
Built in membrane laptop keyboard. Invest into red switches if you want to spend the money.

>>10468359
I think that pretty much any non-laptop keyboard should work. On your laptop you can rebind your "shoot/bomb/focus" keys to some other keys that do not conflict with diagonal movement with programs like AutoHotkey.

>>10468375
I've got a Cherry Grey keyboard and I don't find pretty much any difference in my performance in Touhou games compared to a cheap low-profile membrane keyboard I used before. Though I don't play too much and I'm not a lunatic type.

>>10468359
Leopold with MX Browns. They suck.

Seeing this thread made me play Touhou for the first time in about a year.

I'm suprised i got a clear on my second try, didn't even unlock Imperishable Shooting though.

>>10468359

>>10468342
Momiji is bomb-bait. If you plant the bomb correctly you'll cancel almost all of her bullets and get a shit load of faith points added.

I don't think I've ever actually tried to dodge her attacks.

I've been playing IN, and i've sort of plateaued in terms of skill. I can consistently clear all of wriggle's and mystia's cards, as well as about half of keine's and reisen's, but I haven't been able to learn a new spell in about a week now. Should I just switch to another game, or will continuing to struggle improve my skills more?

>>10468562
Struggle longer. Make sure you watch replays to see what you should be doing.

>>10468562
You're playing nn Lunatic?

>>10468578
I prefer to work out all the spellcards myself, because the way I look at it, the skill of learning complicated spellcards is just as important as the skill of executing the dodging and stuff.

>>10468583
Yep.

>>10468562
Which spells in particular are you having problems with?

>>10468685
Marisa's asteroid belt and double spark, almost all of her non-spells, and the entirety of stage 6. I never really learned kaguya's spells on normal or hard because by the time I got to her, I always had enough lives to basically bomb through, so maybe that's my problem there.

>>10468359
>keyboard
stay pleb

Why is my playing so inconsistent? On some days, I can manage to perfect stages and chain entire stages without any problems. The next day, I play like an incompetent retard, dying to the most trivial of things. This isn't just limited to STGs, it also tends to happen when I'm playing rhythm games and fighters as well.

The strange part is, I come back to a genre expecting to be complete shit at it, and end up exceeding my expectations. It's almost as if I can't play one genre for too long, or my skills begin to deteriorate.

>>10469193
"Take a 20 Minute Break Between Subjects for Better Memory Retention" Not sure if this study applies for games too.

>>10469193
Use more skill

>>10469193
I had the same observation with my violin playing, and a discussion with a swimmer I knew solved it in my head at least. The way I see it is that you have to be overly competent at something to be consistent at it, and you are more competent when you are not tired. If you consistently practice a game hard, i.e. an hour per day or so of focused practice, you'll get tired, both within sessions and over a longer time scale. However, you will also be improving, as you are working harder to achieve the same (or, hopefully, slightly improving) results due to your tiredness. If you then take a break, you get untired, and when you return to the task, you're way better than you thought you were and can probably play through something with good consistency.

>>10468726
If you can consistently beat venomous moth's dark dance, you definitely have enough skill to 1cc lunatic. Just believe in yourself!

Also, based on that list, I don't see why you aren't getting the 1cc already. You have bombs, you know

>>10469193
Practice consistency. I don't consider a spellcard mastered until I can beat it 5 times consecutively in spell practice mode. The number (5) doesn't matter so much as the fact that on the fifth time, you're freaking out because you don't want to mess up and have to redo the last 4 successes, so it's good practice for actual runs.

>>10469432
what does this have to do with swimmers

>>10469456
Not him, but maybe taking breaks, be it a 20 minute break after playing for an hour, or a week long break after playing a lot for a month or so turn out to be important in swimming for mental reasons as much as physical ones, although you may assume they're all physical, meaning that it applies to touhou when you might not expect it to. I don't say that with any certainty though.

>>10469456
Sorry, I totally forgot I had mentioned that. Basically, the week before a meet, they train a lot less vigorously than they did during the rest of the training season, and their times all go up dramatically because they had spent all that time working themselves to the limit. The same sort of thing can apply to tasks that are primarily mental in nature, I believe

Practice doesn't make perfect, It makes permanent.

>>10469193
You have no talent. You will never succeed in games or life

>>10470003
Ugh. I should just filter the word talent. You're probably trolling, but the fact that people actually believe in this kind of stuff makes me sick. The least you can do is sage your post

>>10470332
The guy you're responding probably wasn't being as serious as you interpreted him to be, but I'm genuinely curious now: Do you still live in the shallow-minded and ignorant little fantasy world that everyone drilled into your head when you were a little kid that follows a "if someone can do it, everyone else can" mentality?

>>10470369
No, but people I think falsely attribute more to this idea idea of genetically-coded talent than it deserves. Obviously, someone from a low income background is far less likely to solve the riemann hypothesis than someone who has had the opportunity to pursue advanced math programs all his life, and more importantly, than someone who has been told that math is an important and fun thing to learn. But with a bit more effort, the former can still become a decent mathematician. And math is way more difficult than STGs. Certainly, past experience will play some role in your reflexes and your practice methods, but anyone who is dedicated, has time, and practices properly should be able to eventually achieve whatever level of play they set their mind to.

>>10470393
Yes, often times it is over-attributed, but to completely ignore it isn't correct either, not that I'm accusing you of doing so. There is a reason why some people improve faster than others, and that's where I think the role of talent plays. It plays even more of role than "practicing properly," which I think is also over-attributed. Take a sample of people who have no/equal experience in a certain task, and force them to practice (be it stubbornly or intuitively) said task the same way. It's guaranteed that some will improve faster than others, regardless of the method of practice. In most cases, the same people will be improving faster than the rest no matter which method is applied. This can also apply in the long run in terms of reaching a long term goal. Time, practice and dedication are just 3/4 of the requirements. But I'm biased and only speaking from experience, so feel free to take my opinion with as little weight you want.

>>10470426
I too am only speaking from experience, but I am glad we can carry on this sort of discussion dispassionately. I think that an experiment as you describe would be interesting to run. The way I see it playing out is like this: if you set a bunch of people in front of EoSD, made them practice 1 hour a day, and recorded their normal mode scores after a week, obviously some would be better than others, and these same people would likely be better at any other touhou game you set in front of them under the same circumstances. However, say that you then took the worse-performing half of this group and set them in front of, say, IN, and encouraged them to spend time in practice/spell practice mode, and then took the better-performing half of the group and let them practice IN but only by playing through the game straight. After a week, I would bet that most of the people who had performed more poorly on EoSD would perform better on IN than the people in the other group.

If this result seems obvious, I intentionally made the situation really contrived to counter your statement that "some will improve faster than others, regardless of the method of practice". Also, since it is easier and more immediately gratifying to play through the game than it is to slog it out against a spell you keep failing against, many people will naturally waste their time in the main game more than they should if they desired a perfect practice regimen.

sorry to interrupt your discussion, but couple questions:
what stg has your favorite storyline?
do any of you ever check what page this thread is on to make sure it doesn't fall off the board?

>>10470545
Ketsui.

>>10470562

>>10469432
>>10469223
I had figured that fatigue was mostly the cause of it. My average playing time is usually anywhere from an hour to three hours, an hour usually leaves me feeling pretty good about my playing, but anything more than that, and I feel like shit.

>>10469449
Good idea, I've done something similar with chaining in DDP, and it works surprisingly well. I think I'm just not practicing the correct things.

>>10470003
I feel like this is the case sometimes, it's really demotivating and depressing, playing a game with somebody who is a better person all around, and manages to be better at games than you with a lot less effort put into them. It's really soul crushing, but I can't complain.

>>10470457
How about you guys just play the damn game and enjoy it? STGs aren't an esport, you aren't paid for doing well. It's mainly a self-satisfaction thing.

>>10471686
How about you stop sperglording and complaining about conversations you don't like.

>>10471686
There are scoring tournaments in which you can earn some money. It isn't a lot of money, but the boost to your ego is tremendous!

>>10468916
I know you're not serious, but how many people actually do play with a controller? I have a USB controller but it seems like it'd be more trouble than it's worth.

Do the Touhou games actually respond with different speeds depending on the analog input, or are the controls pretty much exactly the same as using keyboard?

>>10471765
>Do the Touhou games actually respond with different speeds depending on the analog input
No.

Maybe we should find a word to replace talent. There is no denying the fact that certain people improve at a faster rate than others. This is why some people need to devote their life to a single game to become a top player, while others can get comparable scores in a fraction of the time. I'm not sure if a word exists to describe this, but it would be something similar to "fast-learner" or "quick-study". Or perhaps it could be a certain degree of genius?

>>10472034
If we mean the same thing as we mean when using the word "talent," then what's the point to refer to it by anything else?

>>10472034
Having talent ~ trying hard. It's the same as all those people in school who use "being bad at math" as a pretext for not thinking hard enough.

>>10472063

>>10472063
Talent exists, but that doesn't mean that the talented people don't need to put some time into the game to excel at it.

IIDX displays this the most. For some people, it takes them months of hard practice to begin playing 10's, but then you see others handling 12's within a month while putting in a lot less effort.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26888
i got my first 1cc today and i am fucking happy

>>10472148
>i feel like i cheated

>>10472148
congratulations!

>>10472110
How do you know that people who get better faster are putting in a lot less effort?

>>10472110
someone who has spent 10 years playing piano will probably pick up violin faster than someone who has never played an instrument before. The fact that some people pick a specific thing up faster than others, while true, is not proof of talent.

>>10472173
>>i feel like i cheated
thanks

>>10472173
thanks

Just scored this little lot free from a con today
Anyone played any of these?

>>10472063
After you achieved your full potential, it doesn't matter how hard you work, you won't get any better.

I still can't get 1cc. I guess I'm too impatient.

>>10472409
"full potential" is just the point at which you get tired of learning something. It's not a hard limit

What is the proper way to deal with Okuu's Hell and Heaven Meltdown? This is the only spellcard that consistently gives me problems.

Best 2hu?

Also, >TFW this game is older than I am:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLInS2c8
(Thunder Cross II - Dog Fight III)

>>10472508
Dodge one circle of bullets at a time. A row from the top, a row from the bottom. Repeat. Moving up through a gap in the bullets moving down can give you a little more time to align yourself to move down through bullets moving up. This line of thinking creates the little square movements that you see most players making.

Improve your field of vision. Don't run into bullets.

>>10472553
Those square movements are so hard though, that I usually end up leaving the area where I should be because I keep being forced in a direction I don't want to go.

>>10472567
There's plenty of horizontal freedom, and Utsuho will follow you up to a certain point.

Go into practice mode and try timing it out.

>>10472420
what game are you playing and how long have you been playing?

>>10472664
I'm alternating between EoSD and PCB. I think the last time I checked, I had around 50ish plays and 270 retries for PCB.

>>10472691
how long have you been playing? it took me 10 months to 1cc eosd

>>10472691
You can cheese EoSD 5 and 6 with MarisaB fairly easily.

>>10472702
Was it your first shooting game or something?

>>10472691
Are you hitting the 60mil extend for EoSD?
Also what shit is giving you problems specifically. Not much we can say other than play moar right now.

>>10472663
I'm aware of that. My problem isn't with hitting Okuu, but I thought I remembered seeing someone explain that to stay around these areas. at least, it does indeed feels a lot harder to dodge her bullets if I get too close to the mid-center, and too close to the mid-left or mid-right. And if my vertical position changes too much from the mid, I'm really screwed.

>>10472702
Overall? I've been playing on and off for about a year, I've been playing more recently though.

>>10472711
I restart whenever I die before stage 4. Farthest I've gone in EoSD is Sakuya mid-boss, and Yuyuko second to last card.

>>10472734
Forgot pic.

>>10472735
>I restart whenever I die before stage 4
There's your problem. Stop doing that. I've died lots of times to Meiling (on Normal even) and kept playing and still got the 1cc.

>>10472735
>I restart whenever I die before stage 4.
Don't do that.

>>10472745
>>10472827
So... Just keep on playing? If I run out, do I just continue or stop?

>>10472898
Your run isn't over until you run out of lives. If you want to continue to unlock the stage practice and or get some practice on to later stages, Go for it. But once I run out of lives I consider the run to be over a restart.

>>10472735
I used to do this in my first year or playing STGs and beatmania. "Restart if you lose a life before Stage 6, or if your groove gauge goes below 80%." This is the advice I followed when I talked to people who were supposedly trying to help me.

Don't do it, it will lead to severe burnout and it will make you hate the game. It's much more fun to play through the game and note the mistakes you've made to fix them in a later run. Trying to play perfect when you're clearly not a good player will only drive you insane.

>>10473396
>or if your groove gauge goes below 80%
WOW, that is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

>>10472913
I don't see anything wrong with using a continue to play out the rest of the stages. It might get a bit counter productive if the later stages are waaaay above your current skill level (or suffering super bad luck) and you're just dying and bombing all over the place. I just restart in those cases.

>>10473539
The fine bastard that told me that was a huge perfectionist and an elitist. And I, being the retard that I am, believed that it was the right way to play. That performing terribly and getting anything below AA rank wasn't allowed. Negative atmosphere creates a negative mindset, and it wasn't until I stopped talking to him that I was actually able to change the mindset.

>>10473885
He was being an authoritative teacher. You may resent it for the time being, but the satisfaction after the fact that you complete those tasks after all that time and effort put into it, would feel so good that any resentment would be instantly shattered. Still not the best way of going about teaching someone, but it is a legitimate and effective method.

what button takes a screencap again?

>>10474526
Home.

Please stream, /jp/

This was definitely not a 1cc, but I'm still happy; now I know I can do it!

>>10474717
Wow, that's a low score. TruSurvival!

Keep going mate, it's definitely within your reach!

>>10446877
Nobody doing this?

>>10474998
I've already put myself through enough suffering and don't want to do it again.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=12502

>>10474389
As a matter of fact, it's the best way to practice. :V You have to space your repetitions, you can't just play the same thing for hours on end and expect results.

>>10472404
the Exceed games are good, Ether Vapor kinda sucks, haven't played the others, Satazius seemed pretty well received though.

>>10475485
Go play Warning Forever.

>>10475693
No, it looks shit, I'll stick with Tatsujin for now thanks

Are there any other STGs based purely on dot dodging? Besides sdmkun, I've already played that.

>>10476120
特訓'99 is very literally just a dot dodging game, there's almost nothing in it besides that.

http://homepage1.nifty.com/bee/tk/
also as nds homebrew
http://code.google.com/p/tkkn/

>>10474389
>>10475372
I've been playing IIDX since 6th style and that's the first time I've heard something so retarded about how to learn and play the game. Throwing out runs is a pretty awful idea all around.

>>10475848
Gameplay > Graphics

>>10476369
41.812 seconds is my max

>>10476518
>gameplay > graphics
In the case of shmups, it's definitely more important, but both are necessary.

>>10476518
As somebody who has been playing for almost five months now, I can safely say that throwing runs will only make you hate the game. Yeah, my playing time is meager and my opinion doesn't really matter, but trying to perfect everything only made me want to quit playing the game. It made me so upset with the game that I've actually considered selling my controller and game on a few occasions.

>>10476518
>Gameplay > Graphics
I was referring to the gameplay

Is it me or is MarisaB in UFO awful?

>>10477114
What? Shooting backwards is pretty amazing imo.

>>10476369
I've actually played that a few months ago, but forgot about it. It feels like I'm a ship in space, trying to dodge the stars, which appear to be mini suns. Thanks.

I hate UFO so fucking much. SA isn't anywhere near as frustrating.

How do I get better at these games more quickly? I practice at least 2 hours a day, but I still can't get past normal mode on IN, and I can't even beat SA on easy. Or get past the third stage.

>>10477354
Keep practicing. Try playing on stages the difficulty above what you're trying to clear.
Remember these games have been around for a long time so don't expect to suddenly be as good as the people who've been playing every day for years.

>>10477354
Lots of practice or talent. Challenging yourself to higher difficulties and games helps too.

>>10477354
Watch regular old replays on youtube. You can learn a shit load of the average player. Super plays are fine for novelty, but likely out of your current skill to pull off.

How the fuck do I play go berillium? I keep running out of life before stage 2 starts. Is there a certain way killing enemies gives you more energy or do you lose it faster while shooting or something?

>>10477127
You should play Deathsmiles 2 and use Lei.

>>10477492
Bombing is pretty much never ever worth it, so don't do that anymore if you are. You have to shotgun pretty much all the time since the quarks tend to fade by the time they actually reach your nucleus. Once you have momentum, you're pretty much sitting at full power all the time and wreck the screen. The later stages have so many enemies that you can get hit, fly into a crowd of them with your moment of invincibility, and get so many quarks that you're at full energy again. Also, Hard is easier than Easy since it's less crowded.

So, apparently, if you put in a credit after not playing for years, you glitch yourself off of the scoreboard permanently. Lovely.

So, apparently, if you put in a credit after not playing for years, you remove yourself from the scoreboard permanently. Lovely.

>>10477817
Well, I guess it's time to put in a whole bunch of more credits then, eh T?

Started playing Touhou about a month ago and got my first 1cc on IN. I used all 7 lives though.

I don't know where to go from here though. I've beat 6-13 on normal and I can beat 6,7 and 8 on hard.

>>10478287
And I know I'm not any good so please don't be a bully.

MoF is even easier than IN in my opinion.
But I'd try for PCB or EoSD next.

>>10478303
I forgot to mention that I actually haven't beaten SA even with continues yet. I have had a lot of trouble with that one for whatever reason.

Mountain of Faith may be possible but I think I'll try EoSD since it was my first one and I have a good bit of experience with it. I always end up doing badly on the 5th stage though and losing a lot of lives so I can't 1cc it.

Thanks for your help.

I've been playing around with the spell practise, and this particular overdrive spell is just too much for me. Can anyone here clear it?

>>10478367
Okay, never mind, I just cleared it.

>>10478375
Glad we could help.

I've beaten all the shooters on Normal except TD. The life/bomb collecting was a bitch since those green/pink can disappear unlike the old shooters.

>>10478505
they disappear off the bottom of the screen in the other shooters, if you don't collect them quick enough, you have more time to collect them in TD.

How do I install Hisoutensoku? all the rars I download have the dat file damaged and cant get shit. Also, I heard it is needed to have the previous fighters to add its characters to the roster, is that true?

>>10478367
Just like the rest of the game, it's easy shit with an emphasis on shit. Go time out Tongling Yoshika.

>>10479034
Time out THIS
*whips out dick*

>>10479050
Anyone can time out 3 seconds, dude.

>>10479089
O-okay...

>>10478699
Well at least we don't have to enter the clusterfuck barrages of bullets

>>10479192
TD stages are full of pauses where there's nothing on the screen. If you really want your resource pieces, just press C.

http://livestream.com/seppostream/
Taking it Easy with IN.

>>10478805
You can just download all the games in a batch from nyaatorrents. Just exclude the files you don't want.

>>10446815
Wow, barely made it for the challenge. Here is my score on IN.

And for MoF. Died on Nitori.

jp pls stream

where can i download futari?

>>10481898
You have to stick a flash drive into gus' butt.

>>10481912
L-lewd.

pls stream

>>10448909
Start from the first one, try to clear them on normal or easy, find the one you like the most and grind until you can 1cc on normal, then move to your second favorite.

Or just aim to 1cc them in order. That's what I did. (except with DS).


And don't you guys sometimes mute the BGM and play some music of your liking?.

I like to clear PCB Phantasm while listening to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVt4E_tH4

When I do that my face gets so red and hot. I can't tell if it's from the extreme concentration or because obscene lyrics and ara.

>>10482115
Why would I mute ZUN's glorious music?

>>10482115
After listening to the same few tracks several thousand times, they really tend to get annoying, especially when scoring. Sometimes I mute the music and play something else quietly in the background, or sometimes I just turn the BGM vol down. Either way, I still have to hear the sounds for proper timing and such, unless I'm playing some silly challenge runs. Then I just play some music full volume.

Quick question though, how did you get that kind of big window without everything getting all overpixelated? It looks a bit different from what the vpatch windowed does, since it overpixelates everything.

>>10482361
Sizer.

>>10482257
THOUSANDS OF TIMES.... well, not thousands, but hundreds of times at least.

>>10481898
Buy it fagit

Then climb to the top of the scoreboards like the other autists

>>10482115
>And don't you guys sometimes mute the BGM and play some music of your liking?.
No.

>>10482361
>After listening to the same few tracks several thousand times, they really tend to get annoying, especially when scoring.
I find that that music greatly assists with my memory and timing when scoring. If the music is muted or replaced with something else, I'll occasionally find myself disoriented during a stage portion or something because I subconsciously user certain phrases of music as memory cues.

I died on Yuyuko's very very last spell card with no continues left.

>>10482765
I once died on Re-flowering which at one point would have been my first normal 1cc. Devastation.

I died to every non spell after Xu-Fu's in IN Extra. Oh wait, that's not surprising.

New thread
>>10483212

I've died to every attack of IN easy

please stream