/jp/ - Otaku Culture

It's that time of the day where I embarrass myself by posting a replay of me getting destroyed by the lovely Miko.
Advice is welcome as long as it isn't press x and c.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26659

>>10428096

> IN Extra with other shots than Youmu solo

So we can every other shots, except this one, right?

>>10428103
Stage 1, Be more aggressive on your spirit collection so, that you can trance during the midboss. If you fail to get three full spirit bars before the midboss, gather some of the blue/grey spirits it drops after the death before trancing and then gathering the life- and bomb fragment.
Facefuck Yuyuko a bit, but only a bit, so that you get to full trance during the second card. Wait out on the third card a bit, shooting the boss from the bottom, until the spirits are just about to disappear. then trance and gather the life and bomb-pieces, while damaging the card so that you also get the life/bomb pieces from it ending. Dodge the finale normally from the bottom.

>>10428124
Yes.

I tried playing with an Xbox controller earlier instead of my keyboard. It feels very strange, but not that much worse except for when extremely precise movements are needed. Quite fun at least.

If the epic troll returns again, just hide and report. Please don't reply to obvious troll posts and give him what he wants.

>>10428103
Press X and Z.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26661

>>10428103
Press X and C.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26661

So I was trying to do SA as my first lunatic clear and was constantly getting my shit wrecked on the first stage. I decided to give a different game a shot, did EOSD and manged to get to Stage 3 in one shot without bombs cause i'm terrible at using bombs.

Didn't realize there was that much of a difficulty difference

>>10428226
TD: Ex-cee-dingly easy!

>>10428140
I'm having too much fun figuring things out, so this will be a little slow.

Stage 2, fill your trance before the first life-spirit dropping fairies. Trance them, then continue to play aggressively until the midboss. Bomb the midboss noncard (optional, but I do it to be sure), trance the spellcard and make it so that your trance ends just as the spell has ended.
Play aggressively on the latter portion for spirits, and fill your trance until the final fairies. Hold it out a bit, then trance as the life-piece dropping fairy spawns/dies. Your trance ends a bit before the boss shows up.
Bomb the first noncard, then gather the remaining spirits from the next spellcard. Damage it a bit since it has quite a large healthbar, then trance and kill it. Do NOT damage the second noncard with the trance, but hold it out instead. Then bomb the second noncard.
Damage and skirtsniff the second spell card as long as you can, then bomb. Move down as it's about to end, gather a few spirits and trance before collecting the life/bomb spirits. (if you have to make a choise, take the bomb spirit, then trance for the life piece)

Reference:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26662

Stage 1 Reference:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26660

>>10428279
Yeah those are the hardest and easiest first stages. EoSD stage 2 isn't much either, or really most of 3... I usually do fine up until the end of Meiling.

There's something I'm curious about:

Why is it that Ten Desires is often considered one of the easiest in the series? I've only recently started playing it, but it seems to be that it's fairly moderate in difficulty, and I'd consider 7, 8, and 10 easier, at least. Is there just something about the game's system I'm not fully understanding that's making the game seem harder than it is?

>>10428366
In my opinion alot of the stage danmaku and Mikos spellcards are underwhelming so it seems alot easier.
But it's balanced out due to the fact that you get very few bonus lifes.

Personally I prefer the SA and UFO system, difficult danmaku but many power ups which you can get by having experience

>>10428366
SHIFT Z X X C X X C X X C X X C X X C X X C
Congratiulations, you win.

>>10428366
Since SA and UFO are the harder games in the series, people had to adapt and get good if they wanted to beat them. TD is about average as far as difficulty goes, but since everyone just got done playing SA and UFO, TD is just easy in comparison.

When I'm trying to work through a game on Lunatic, when should I use bombs? I've got a bad habit of saving them until it's too late. Should I just use them on Spellcards I have trouble with? Or tough them out and try to beat them.

I haven't played or watched much TD. Does it have any very hard patterns? It didn't seem to have any high difficulty peaks.

>>10428415
Tough it out and don't worry about clearing. You can always start bombing if you're on a run and think you have a real chance.

>>10428417
Yes.

>>10428417
>Does it have any very hard patterns?
Every game in the series has certain excessively hard patterns, and it is so even in the case of TD. However, TD has a system which is really easily abuseable.

>>10428417
Indeed it does. The majority of the games' patterns aren't that tough but there are a few really good and difficult ones here and there.

Examples of those would be Futo's first spellcard and Miko's 6th. Tongling Yoshika is also pretty difficult imo. Moreso than a lot of Stage 4 cards anyway.

That's not even covering everything. For more challening patterns be sure to check out the overdrives and try to do them without shooting. A hell of a lot of fun :3 Especially Wild Carpet.

The latest update of the Touhou STG for Android came with a new stage. This time the opponent is Nitori.

Which is easier IN LNB or SA LNB?
No scoring, just survival, using every safespot, etc.

>>10428620
That really depends on which game you have the most experience. Probably IN.

I have done a LNB of SA but not of IN though. I keep accidentally bombing in IN due to death-bombing time :P

>>10428626
I don't really have much experience in either games. But I'll probably go with IN since I don't have to endlessly restart stage 1.

>>10428620
IN has harder patterns but you're likely going to get all of the extends, where as SA you'll need to capture most spellcards to get the same amount of extends, but the patterns are easier. Just go for the one have more experience or feel more comfortable with.

>>10428620
Both should pretty doable as they're both pretty learnable games with a decent emphasis on memorization.

I've got a few no-bombs on SA but I'd lean towards IN as (from playing it with bombs) I suspect no-bombs shouldn't be too bad with time put into practice.

Also, there's the whole spell practice thing in IN which should help a lot.

>>10428620
Having done both, I'd note that IN indeed has a smoother learning curve. However, Kaguya will destroy several runs, thus pushing the time of the clear.

I don't really know which one is harder, though. If you want to spend more time on full runs, failing on the final boss, pick IN. If you want to spend more time practicing the highly static stages, pick SA. Pick your poison.

Or pick a game you'd like to play.

Why would ZUN-sama put spell practice in 2 of the games and not the rest? ;_;

>>10428717
Just to fuck with us?

What's the ideal way to play Touhou / other PC STGs? Keyboard, gamepad, arcade stick?

>>10428717
I have no clue. I can understand EoSD and PCB not having spell practice since they predate IN and rank was still a game mechanic, but I don't understand why it was absent in MoF, SA, and UFO, and came back right the fuck out of nowhere in TD. I guess it might be because ZUN suddenly decided to make a more beginner friendly game immediately after releasing the two most ass-rapingly difficult titles in the series. Maybe he also wanted to have an excuse to exercise the idea of a mode harder than Lunatic and couldn't realistically make Overdrive bullet patterns for all six stages in time, but instead chose a few spellcards to experiment with. Perhaps Overdrive might be a thing in 14.0?

>>10428744
Keyboard or arcade stick.

>>10428744
Stick or don't bother.

>>10428744
It usually comes down to personal preference between a good keyboard and an arcade stick.

>>10428744
The majority of players who voice themselves here and on motk use Keyboards.

>>10428751
>>10428755
>>10428757
>>10428759
What about console shmups? Would a gamepad do if I don't have a stick?

>>10428764
No.

>>10428766
Really?

Please stream, /jp/

>>10428770
There are many excellent scores in a variety of danmaku shooting games that are done by players using a gamepad.

There are also a lot of excellent scores done on keyboard. And a lot of excellent scores done on Arcade sticks. Use whatever you feel the most comfortable with.

>>10428778
I see. Thank you.

>>10428780
A gamepad doesn't feel as good as when you get used to a stick. Don't cheat yourself.

>>10428787
I guess I better not get used to a stick, then.

lol nice

twitch.tv/cactu1
IN Extra, for now.

>>10428744
Nothing can beat the precision of a keyboard, good arcade stick comes close though

>>10429069
Arcade sticks feel far better to play with than keyboards and definitely allow more flow to your movement. . Anyway, if you're playing a game with a device other than the device the game was made for and that device is better than the planned device then you're cheating. If you're playing it with a worse device, why handicap yourself?

>>10429079
Too poor to buy anything but a crappy laptop keyboard.

Two credits, UFO LNBNV. Both game overs on Stage 4 at Murasa and at the end of the stage.

How terrible :(

>>10428744
Sega Saturn pad or a PlayStation 1, 2 or 3 controller are great.

100% of the best players in the world use arcade sticks.

>>10429676
You probably don't have any evidence of that. And who are the best players anyway? Recently we got confirmed that the player who managed a LNMNB of EoSD used a Saturn pad.

I'm not saying that he is THE best player or anything but surely this guy alone proves that you can perform well with a pad if that's what you are used to.

>>10431004
That wasn't official. He used the hitbox patch and to a lesser extent the graphics patch.

>>10431004
>Recently we got confirmed that the player who managed a LNMNB of EoSD used a Saturn pad.

I wasn't aware such a run had even been confirmed?

>>10431012
First off, even with the hitbox patch, the stunt would probably be up there with UFO NMNBNV or even more.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that he used the hitbox patch? Who knows if the japanese even knows it exists?

>>10431014
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/dex.php/topic,14142.0.html
A collection of LNMNB's of all the games

>>10431012
He did no such thing.

>>10431041
>Secondly, what evidence do you have that he used the hitbox patch?
The evidence is Clio himself admitting to using it.

>>10431074
Yes he did.

Anyone streaming?

>>10431077
>The evidence is Clio himself admitting to using it.
No. He clearly stated that he did not use the hitbox patch.

>>10431143
He clearly stated that he did use it.
Show me where he said he didn't use it.

>>10431166
In response to a question about if he used a hitbox and retexture patch. "I heard someone say that he used the patch" is not equivalent to him actually saying it, which he did not do. Check his blog, all of his screencaps are the standard EoSD, too. Stop spreading false information.

>>10431004
The evidence is in Arcadia magazine's world records.

>>10428096
Scoring Challenge, special thanks to a certain person for the motivation. I will definitely improve this.

I'd like a nice little stream to lighten my day, /jp/

How can I train myself to look at the sprite rather than a few pixels ahead of the sprite? I just can't seem to keep my eye on my hit box.

>>10431313
It's usually better to look ahead.

What do the @ signs next to some of the spells mean?

>>10431379
That you've captured them on the shot-type.

>>10431388
thanks. I guess I should have been able to figure that out myself, but just to be sure

>>10431379
>ratios

>>10431408
I've been trying a spell I'm stuck on about 100 times per day for the past 2 weeks. I was wondering if I was wasting my time, but then I ran through normal mode again just for kicks and my score drastically improved. So at least I'm learning something. It is still embarassing that it takes me so long to learn these though

>>10431166
>>10431184
Devastated.

>>10431313
You shouldn't be looking at the hit box. If you think you're running into things because you don't know where your hit box is, it's probably because you actually don't know where the bullets are because you're looking too close to your sprite

Is it easier to NMNB normal or 1cc lunatic?

>>10431431
Depends on the game.

>>10431431
Speaking as a person who has 1cc'd all the games on Lunatic, my opinion is that it's generally easier to clear on Lunatic than NMNB the entire game on Normal mode.

Lunatic clearing allows for a huge amount of mistakes whereas a single mistake will terminate a NMNB run.

>>10431431
Former is much, much more harder and intense.

>>10431448
>>10431449
striving for which will make me a better player faster?

>>10431451
I think getting good at dodging Lunatic level patterns is a good place to start. Lunatic patterns are much more demanding obviously so they will make you better at dodging.

Pursuing NMNB of Normal is probably a dumb idea if you have yet to clear Lunatic. In fact, if getting skilled is your concern, i would suggest focusing on clearing Lunatic and then slapping on a No-bombs restriction and trying to clear the game like that.

Please stream, /jp/

>>10431615
Why?

I still remember when I once watched a stream here on /jp/.
It was some guy playing Clock Tower and he laughed at the weirdest places like a person who lost his mind

>>10431451
Neither. Play for score if you want to be a better player.

Scoring: 2.14B
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26678
Special: Kaguya
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26677

>>10428749
The fact that ZUN can dish out UFO after absolutely nothing decent since IN, then turn around and make TD, still proves he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

False hope is fine though. I'd still like to think Touhou as a shooting game series isn't past-tense.

>>10431741
>after absolutely nothing decent since IN

Shut yore mouf.

>>10431615
Still no streams?

>>10431741
UFO is terrible though while TD is good. What are you talking about?

twitch.tv/cactu1
IN Extra.

>>10432088
Thanks for the stream

>>10432314
And thank you all for watching.

twitch.tv/eldestructoe

input devices -
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtop.php?f=1&t=12815

streaming:
livestream.com/touhougameplay

>>10432021
Probably scoring systems and patterns. What are you talking about, characters and music?

>>10433566
>characters and music?
That can't be the case since TD fails at both of those as well, just like UFO. Seiga is awesome, though.

>>10433566
>characters and music?
UFO music is top three, but there are some dead weight characters.

>>10433644
TD has some good tracks though, stages 3 and 4 and Miko theme, not as many good ones than UFO, but at least it beats EoSD.

Alright, added way more frames, and sped it up. Now what do you guys think?

>>10433566
Patterns, characters and music.

>>10433644
>That can't be the case since TD fails at both of those as well, just like UFO.

That's where you're wrong though because it just so happens that TD has one of the best overall soundtracks in the series. I wouldn't call it number one but it certainly up there.
UFO has Emotional Skyscraper as it's only amazing track, the rest just fall under good/average.
As for characters TD has some of the more interesting characters in the series, especially the Taoists. Futo is already almost in the top 10 as far as popularity goes which is pretty insane considering when the game was released, and Miko has recently seemed to spike in terms of popularity.

Anyone streaming?

>>10433566
Scoring systems? Isn't Touhou is an anime?

>>10434345
These are both subjective matters, musical taste and what kinds of patterns someone likes.

>>10434345
But I >>10431741 am talking about the scoring system, which UFO does well, except for the messy grazing potential in Stage 3. TD's scoring system is shit, not to mention auto-bomb. It basically feels like ZUN played Daifukkatsu and tried to make something around it, it's just messy in general. Can't even play TD for difficulty and the character variety is also bad.

As for characters/music, I don't really care about any of that. You could remove the character sprite and leave me with the hitbox, and turn the music off, and I wouldn't care.

>>10434820
If I wanted to score I'd play PCB and IN both of which have vastly greater scoring systems than UFO.
Typical narrow-minded scorefag, judging games on a single aspect rather than the full package. I expected nothing less though.
As for not liking the characters and the music...
I'd recommend you play the cave games. They would suit someone with shit taste, such as yourself

drmdr pls strm

>>10434869
Nobody cares what you want to play. The point is that TD is a step backwards in contrast to UFO. I don't even play for score.

Also if you want to talk music at least Manabu's shit isn't plagiarised.

>>10428096
> Nobody cares what you want to play.
Aww did I touch a nerve?


>The point is that TD is a step backwards in contrast to UFO.
Yeah, no. TD is a huge improvement over UFO, which isn't saying much considering how abysmal UFO actually is.

>I don't even play for score.
>But I >>10431741 am talking about the scoring
Then why mention it, you fucking cretin?

If you're not talking about score then what positives does UFO have? Don't worry I'll answer that for you. It has no positives, it's a worthless sack of shit compared to the rest of the games.

Oh and right about now is the time you play the "I wasn't the guy you was talking to lol" card.

>>10435071
Ment for >>10435001 if it wasn't obvious enough.

>>10435071
Please stop trolling these threads.

>>10435095
It's hardly trolling when I'm speaking the truth.

Please stop praising bad games.

Please stop being insufferable idiots.

Please stream

>>10435071
>Aww did I touch a nerve?
This has nothing to do with what characters you prefer, or what music track you like. All of this baseless subjectivity is making you look clueless.
>Yeah, no. TD is a huge improvement over UFO
How? You haven't even explained why TD is so much better, and sorry but, "characters and music" just doesn't cut it.
>Then why mention it, you fucking cretin?
Do I have to play for score in order to understand the scoring system? No. I can still recognize which game is better. UFO is fine, sans the safespot make-or-break runs in the third stage. This is fucking Mario game rating level shit right here.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01//new-gothic-horror-shooting-game-s-characters-designed-by-devil-suivor-artist/
why do they still make games for xbox360
no one buys them in japan

>>10435497
Because assumedly they can make it cheap enough that they can make a profit.

>>10428096
>This has nothing to do with what characters you prefer, or what music track you like. All of this baseless subjectivity is making you look clueless.

I guess you answered my question, I most certainly touched a nerve considering you're now babbling shit that has little relevance to the subject at hand.

>How? You haven't even explained why TD is so much better, and sorry but, "characters and music" just doesn't cut it.

You haven't explained why your deluded little self feels UFO (the worst title in the series) is the best thing Zun has produced since IN. Since you're the one making silly claims, you should be the one to get the ball rolling. Oh and sorry but characters and soundtracks are a huge factor when it comes to Touhou games. Incase you hadn't noticed, the music and characters get more love than the games themselves.

> Do I have to play for score in order to understand the scoring system?
No you don't but considering you're basing how good the games are on that single factor, it would be safe to assume you actually played
for score and not for survival.

>I can still recognize which game is better.
Clearly you can't. You sound like a wanna-be elitist. I wanna-be elitist that talks about score and holds it with such high regard but isn't able to actually do it. It's sort of sad.

>UFO is fine, sans the safespot make-or-break runs in the third stage.
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares about hearing where you fuck up on shit tier games.

Oh my god I cannot quote for shit today.
Well same thing applies, it should be obvious I'm replying to >>10435489 this faggot.

http://www.livestream.com/channel5405690
I'm a terrible player, streaming touhou IN normal; it's my first time! Come and give tips and berate!

>>10435497
No one buys shmups period. Everyone in Japan who actually cares about them, however, has an Xbox 360.

>>10435508
Stop forcing your opinions on other people.

>>10435552
It's fact, not opinion.

>>10435557
I said stop it.

>>10435588
I don't believe you did. You said "Stop forcing your opinions on other people". Well I'm not forcing my opinions on anybody. I'm forcing facts on people and you can't ignore facts.

>>10435611
You need to look up the definitions of fact and opinion then.

>>10435620
I just did.
Fact :
A thing that is indisputably the case.

e.g. UFO is a pile of shit and an embarrassment to the Touhou series.

>>10435639
Opinion:
A belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

e.g. UFO is a pile of shit and an embarrassment to the Touhou series.

You think UFO is bad? You think TD is bad? You think the other guy's opinion is bad?

You haven't seen bad. This stream is bad.
http://livestream.com/seppostream

>>10435643
A valiant effort in trolling me but it's all in vain I'm afraid.

>>10435793
u got me im just an epic troll xD

pls stream /jp/

>>10435519
Up again until a better player arrives, thanks for stream seppo. Chiptunes and bad gameplay!

Semantics
A science that threatens to unravel the extremely convoluted web of deceptions and hypocrisies that subhuman power is based upon, and which must therefore be avoided at all costs

Troll
One whose opinion one dislikes but is incapable of refuting with reasoned argument

>>10436037
>Troll
>One whose opinion one dislikes but is incapable of refuting with reasoned argument

that isn't a troll

>>10435680
Back and bad

>>10435508
>I guess you answered my question
This doesn't concern you, and I'm repeating myself: it doesn't matter what YOU like. It is widely regarded that UFO was, overall, a better game. TD is far easier, even on Lunatic, and has an absolutely terrible scoring system mixed in with autobomb, a weaker array of shot types and diversity. UFO has tokens, thus more diversity, more routes, more possibilities, better character variety, and each boss presents a challenge throughout all difficulties.
>Since you're the one making silly claims, you should be the one to get the ball rolling.
Nothing says "I can't come up with anything, lol you go first" quite like this. Try again.
>No you don't but considering you're basing how good the games are on that single factor,
What do you want me to do? Base the games on their character sprites and music?
>Clearly you can't. You sound like a wanna-be elitist.
No, what is sad is that you're a shitty secondary who can't play UFO because of the difficulty so you'll continue to vigorously defend (and fail to do so) TD based on absolutely nothing. Please leave. You belong in the "which 2hu wud u fuk" threads.

>>10428096
>It is widely regarded that UFO was, overall, a better game.
Pulling bullshit like this out of your ass doesn't make it true, princess.

>TD is far easier, even on Lunatic
That's subjective. Even so, being more difficult wouldn't make it better.
I bet you think I wanna be the guy is the best platformer ever, right?

>has an absolutely terrible scoring system mixed in with autobomb
Opinions again. Trance isn't an autobomb either. Sounds like you've barely even played the game. Stay ignorant, faggot.

>a weaker array of shot types
Quality over quantity my retarded little friend.

>UFO has tokens, thus more diversity, more routes
That's why every score run looks the same right? No use having many routes when they're all inferior to the most optimal one.

> better character variety
There's nothing wrong to sticking with a general theme like TD did. The majority of people even prefer the TDs cast. Don't believe me? Go look at the most recent character popularity poll.

>each boss presents a challenge throughout all difficulties.
No they don't. I'd argue TD's stage 1,2, 3 and 6 bosses outdo their UFO counterparts in the difficulty department.

>Nothing says "I can't come up with anything, lol you go first" quite like this. Try again.
If you make idiotic claims, be prepared to back them up. Welcome to the internet, son.

>What do you want me to do? Base the games on their character sprites and music?
No, but you can't ignore them if you expect to be taken seriously.

>>10436111
>>10436203
Both of you shut the fuck up.

Every thread.

Every fucking thread turns into this shit.

>>10436111

>No, what is sad is that you're a shitty secondary who can't play UFO because of the difficulty so you'll continue to vigorously defend (and fail to do so) TD based on absolutely nothing. Please leave. You belong in the "which 2hu wud u fuk" threads.

I almost forgot this little gem right here. UFO players truly are predictable petty elitists.
I can play UFO just fine, my furious friend. I have no difficulty with it, you're thinking of yourself there. You keep talking about score too but I'm confident that you're still struggling to clear the games normally.

Try not to pop a blood vessel when you type out your next angry reply.


>>10436234
>>10436254

Don't worry, I'll make this delusional UFOfag see the light, as I always do. Then we can have a nice thread until another one of these retards wanders in here spouting more shit.

>UFO is harder!
>No, TD is!
>No, UFO is!
>No, TD is!
>No, UFO is!
>No, TD is!
>No, UFO is!
>No! TD is!
>Ur a troll
>No u

>this thread

>>10436264
Congrats on not messing up the quoting.

>>10436274
hu qt

>>10436275
Thank you, I'm actually quite proud of that myself.

>>10436278
I'm very qt.

>>10436037
i-icycalm-sama?

>>10436264
>Sounds like you've barely even played the game. Stay ignorant, faggot.
>I can play UFO just fine, my furious friend.
>I have no difficulty with it,
>I'm confident that you're still struggling to clear the games normally.
>I'll make this delusional UFOfag see the light, as I always do
>If you make idiotic claims, be prepared to back them up.
>you're the one making silly claims, you should be the one to get the ball rolling.
>characters and soundtracks are a huge factor when it comes to Touhou games
I'm laughing but at the same time I'm crying.

> /v/ reaction image
I'll take the ufo hating shitposter thanks

>>10436329
>misusing quoting function
Y-you too. XD

>>10436317
I'll take that post as a sign of you having no valid rebuttal thus admitting defeat. Good show, chap. Now kindly remove yourself from my presence.

>>10436329
I love you too.

>>10436351
Don't be so paranoid. I am not the guy you were arguing with, nor do I have any interest in arguing with you. I just found those lines I quoted laughably ironic, yet stated in such a serious tone.

>>10436358
I take Touhou very very seriously.

>>10436358
>I am not the guy you were arguing with

>Oh and right about now is the time you play the "I wasn't the guy you was talking to lol" card.

He called it

>>10436302
icycalm is casual poseur

please let him fade away.

>>10432390
Hopefully won't be as bad as yesterday.

> still falling for the same troll
I've stopped blaming him and started blaming people like >>10435489 for being so new/clueless.

I'm having a lot of trouble with MoF stage 4. I can hardly make it to Momiji and when I do I end up eating shit.
Halp?

>>10438046
Learn to dodge OR press x a lot.

>>10438056
I can't bomb when I'm focused, right?

>>10438058
You can bomb while focused. If you can't, it could just be that your keyboard is astoundingly shitty.

>>10438062
I see. Anyway to be specific my trouble spot is the cascade of bullets from the fairies that rush horizontally near the top of the screen after the first fairy with the little star bits.

What kind of arcade stick should I get, /jp/?

>>10438090
seimitsu ls-32-01

>>10438603
And the other parts?

>>10438617
There's a madcatz pad that's easy to replace with that joystick. I meant to say ls-32, by the way. Typed it without thinking. Just google it.

do you play STGs other than touhou?

>>10439012
Yeah dude.

>>10439012
Yeah. Espgaluda is my favorite shmup ever, probably.

It's late.
twitch.tv/Lawlium_

>>10439012
raizing>psikyo>takumi>cave>capcom>aplan>seibu>

>>10439334
I don't understand how someone can have such awful taste.

>>10439334
>raizing>psikyo>takumi>cave>capcom&gtoaplan>seibu>

wtf

psikyo>raizing>cave>capcom>seibu>tumi>toaplan more like

noob

>>10439012
I got into the genre with games like Tyrian and Raptor: call of shadows, but the only other shmups I play nowadays are Ikaruga and Jamestown

I like how there's only one true preference and how nerds will debate to eternity which one is the true one.

Must be so much easier than to go to such outrageous lengths as to acknowledge that different people prefer different things

>>10439465
but not easier then you're mom LOOOOOL buurnt

>>10439334
no

cave>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raizing>takumi&gteibu>toaplan>shit>psikyo>capcom>

>>10438090
>>10438603
ls 56-01 & ls-58-01 > ls-32

>>10435519
All the good players are asleep, lets play IN on hard ... with cute chiptunes!

I'm curious, what is you guys' preferred shot type for SA? I'm kind of a beginner, and I can't really find a shot type I really like.

>>10439691
RA

>>10439691
Strongest is ReimuA.
My favorite on normal was ReimuB because you gather ressources more easily, that allows you to bomb a bit more often.
I enjoyed Satori's specific cards the most with ReimuC.

>>10439691
Reimu A or Marisa A
Reimu A for pure power, useful ability and easyish satori.
Marisa A if you want to plan your bombs to trivialize hard sections.

>>10439714
Also, I don't find Reimu B useful at all as stage 3 and onwards there is almost always enough shit flying at you to make resource collection trivial, even on normal.

>>10439706
Forgot to say that you also die less often with ReimuB since you don't have to bother going to the top of the screen.

>>10439696
>>10439706
>>10439714
>>10439723
>>10439726

Thanks.

>>10439012
yes, I play arcade STGs more than Touhou.

I'm just curios, what is your guys' opinion on Sugar Shooter?

>>10439803
Gay.

>>10439809
Yes, but is it any good?

>>10439813
It doesn't have cute girls, so no.

>>10439819
>I only play STGs for the kawaii girls.
Well, then you're really missing out, slick.

>>10439819
>>10439829
So, nobody on this board has played Sugar Shooter then?

>>10439829
Yah, Dodonpachi is fun but it's obvious that it would be a lot better if there was a lot of little girls in it.

>>10439832
And here I wanted a recommendation on a shmup that looked cracktastic

>>10439829
Giant mechanical wasps aren't cute though.

>>10439840
How would it be a better game with a bunch of squealing girls in it, exactly?

>>10439842
That looks disturbing.

>>10439853
Well, it has mechanic where if the bosses take damage then more skin gets revealed. I think the artwork is very cute.

>>10439850
What are you talking about? Loli characters makes everything better.

>>10439850
Neither squealing girls nor metallic dick ships make a game better, my secondary friend.

>>10439863
Not if you're into boobs. Lolis don't into breasts very well

>>10439866
I am glad that we agree my primary friend

>>10439871
Fair point. In that case, throw in some older girls too for the boobs crowd.

>>10439853
Disturbingly cute you mean

>>10439879
Or just not be a creeper that needs lolis and women to fap to in his shmups

>>10439888
Bah, hush now silly you. Nothing creepy about liking women or lolis.

I can't find any UFO stage 6 pacifist run... has anyone done it yet?

>>10439904
>nothing creepy about liking lolis
>nothing creepy
>liking Loli
/jp/ you never disappoint in being a haven for pedos.
>>10439885
Nobody has played your faggot game. Fuck off to >>>/v/

>>10439913
So you think liking loli is creepy and then redirect people to /v/...

>>10439888

What do you mean? The women in shooting games are usually not sexualized very much, if at all. The fan communities do that. In the games they're usually very innocent. They're just part of the game's aesthetic.

I can't quite explain why I like games with anime girls, they're just an aesthetic feature I find appealing. But I don't find them sexy (at least not in the games themselves).

>>10439913
Please don't be a hater :(

>>10439915
Maybe the stage portion isn't feasible.

>>10439924
That and doing the boss with no shooting, bombing or dying would be pretty baller

>>10439924
>>10439929
I know, it seems an insane challenge, that's why I asked.

- Perfect pacifist stage portion
- Perfect pacifist Byakuren
- LFS timeout

>>10439917
>I don't find them sexy, just innocent
>and fap to them when they're sexualized
It's like you're a brony, but for loli.
>>10439920
faggots belong in /v/
>>10439921
HATE EMOTICONS SO MUCH!

>>10439915
Are you trying to summon the shit poster?

>>10439935
>faggots belong in /v/
Then hurry up and get over there or start posting about shmups instead.

>>10439942
No, I swear!

>>10439935

>I don't find them sexy, just innocent
>and fap to them when they're sexualized
>It's like you're a brony, but for loli.

I fap to things that are sexy. I'm sorry for that.

>>10439950
You fap to cartoon children that are sexualized, there's plenty to be sorry about.

>>10439962
Stop derailing the thread.

>>10439965
He's probably Mr. UFO.

>>10439967
He's not. I'm "Mr. UFO" and I haven't said shit since yesterday.

>>10439962

>there's plenty to be sorry about.

Like what? I'm not hurting anyone by masturbating to drawings. It's kind of just my own business, really.

And besides, you're getting off the point. What I fap to says nothing about the game aesthetics I enjoy, especially because in the actual games they aren't sexy at all. I could very easily fap to drawings of cartoon girls without playing shooting games with girls in.

Name one STG with a better plot and characters than any touhou game.
radiant silvergun doesn't count

>>10440009
>plot
>touhou
Pick one.

I'm so bad i can't pacifist stage 6 UFO easy with 10 lives. I thought it's easy until i saw "Gengetsu rape time" ZUN put at the end of Byakuren's spellcards.

>>10434632
try harder

>>10439453
>Raptor: call of shadows
You're a good person.

>>10440009
Ketsui
Guwange
Sengoku Ace series
Gunbird series
Muchi Muchi Pork
Espgaluda series
Mushihimesama series
Akai Katana

>>10440025
I think he was being ironic mate

>>10440027
Ketsui makes my head hurt.

>>10440040
The reason people make Touhou doujins isn't because they were charmed by the plot.

>>10440027
Their plot is so good that they have millions of fans making doujins about it just like touh-
Oh wait, no they don't.

>>10440040
so popularity = quality

get a load of this guy

>>10440053
It's fair to assume that if things are popular, they are popular for a reason.

A more reasonable statement would be 'lack of popularity doesn't mean lack of quality.'

>>10440009
Hellsinker

>>10440053
>so popularity = quality


To an extent yes.
Are you a hipster who only likes things nobody else likes to try feel unique?

>>10440060
Just because everyone likes something doesn't mean it's good, though. There is no extent on that. Opinions are opinions.

>>10440054
The most popular things are never the *best* of their genre. They just have something that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

McDonald's, Call of Duty, Justin Beiber, Twilight, Touhou...

>>10439453
Jamestown is just awful.

>>10440069
What do you consider to be the best fast food restaurant chain, first-person shooter, teen-pop star, and fantasy romance novel?

Just curious, really.

>>10440069
McDonald's, Call of Duty, Robin, Twilight

>>10440090
That's just like, your opinion, man.

>>10440088
Burger King, Halo, Miley Cyrus, n/a because I'm not gay

>>10440108
Wendy's, TF2, Kanye West, and n/a since only 12 year-old girls read literary softcore.

>>10440108
>>10440127
These replies are jokes, right?

>>10439845
You take that back you big jerk.

>>10440136
What are your four?

>>10440136
You got a problem woth team fortress?

>>10440186
Five Guys, Morrowind, I don't have one, and The Two Towers.

>>10440188
Yes.

>>10440193
Morrowind isn't a first person shooter and The Two Towers wasn't a romance novel, even if Eown had the hots for Aragorn.

>>10440193
Morrowind is awful. I don't see how anyone could like any of the games in TES series.

>>10440199
You can shoot bows and magic, and have you seen the way Sam looks at Frodo?

>>10440201
Er, well, have you imagined it, I guess, technically. Can't really see it since it's a book.

>>10440199
a tale of two towers is a novel by charles dickings you pleb.

>>10440193
>Yes.
I will fight you

>>10440216
I'm actually going to be 3D printing one of the models from TF2 later today.
still a shit game though

>>10440199
>I don't see how anyone could like any of the games in TES series.

Me neither. TES = western developer = shit.

>>10440232
Even the captha agrees.

>>10439885
>Disturbingly cute you mean
isn't that the best kind?

>>10440088
generic local chinese take-away is better than any chain, Quake, BabyMetal, Harry Potter

>>10440465
Epic captcha. Very nice, I really liked it.

Captchas always manage to be so random and funny at the same time. I really like that.

>>10440465
>>10440232
That's taking it too far.

>>10440627
Kill yourself out of /jp/.

>>10440627
>Captchas always manage to be so random and funny at the same time. I really like that.
Just like this thread right now :)

MEIDOOOOO!!!!

>>10436203
>Pulling bullshit like this out of your ass doesn't make it true, princess.
Stop avoiding the point. You've still yet to prove anything. "lol u go first" is not going to cut it.
>That's subjective. Even so, being more difficult wouldn't make it better.
You've yet to actually say anything that isn't subjective. I don't see anyone else vigorously defending TD here. Just you. It's all you.
>Quality over quantity my retarded little friend
How are you even suggesting that TD has "quality" character selection over UFO?
>No they don't. I'd argue TD's stage 1,2, 3 and 6 bosses outdo their UFO counterparts in the difficulty department.
This is just hilarious. I 1cc'd TD Lunatic on the first night of release. It isn't hard, comparing it to UFO Lunatic or even UFO Hard is a complete fucking joke.
>If you make idiotic claims, be prepared to back them up. Welcome to the internet, son.
Except I'm not making idiotic claims. You are.
>No, but you can't ignore them if you expect to be taken seriously.
I am already being taken very seriously by you, and your counter-argument entirely consists of "b-but the characters and music!!". It's pretty obvious thanks to,
>You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares about hearing where you fuck up on shit tier games.
That you do not actually understand the inner workings of the game, and all you've done is make a complete fool out of yourself in this thread. Way to go.

>>10441146
> being this gullible
stop embarrassing yourself hes a well known troll

>>10441166
>random anonymous
>well known troll
sure
>LOL I TROL YOU, third person perspective edition.

>>10441181
Please leave and go back to /v/.

>>10441166
No, I genuinely believe that he is absolutely convinced that TD is a better game somehow. Unfortunately, I've yet to see a counter-argument out of him that extends beyond personal preference or "lol no u, TD is better......". This is sad and/or monotonous depending on how you look at it.

>>10441209
why? i've been on /jp/ since 2009 or so, i'm certainly not gonna go anywhere now because some butthurt guy's cover got blown.

>>10441210
why do you care if he thinks TD is better than UFO? there's no helping shitty taste, so just leave it.

>>10441214
Since 2009 and still misusing the quote function and using /v/ memes.

>>10441220
if you really think those are /v/ only, and not whole 4chan in general then you're newer than you pretend to be.

>>10441146
> This is just hilarious. I 1cc'd TD Lunatic on the first night of release.
Post your first lunatic TD replay.

twitch.tvpatchystronk
IN normal

First time streaming and I'm not too good. Please be gentle.

>>10441741
Thanks for watching. I'll try to stream longer and better next time.

>>10440088
I'd go with ramen, that Blade Runner game, Floating Cloud and Chatting at the Amber Teahouse.

http://www.livestream.com/channel549405690
Cheery chiptunes, shitty gameplay! IN hard.

adamar pls strm

>>10442233
Ramen is a fast-food chain?

>>10443657
As much as Blade Runner is a FPS, Floating Cloud is a pop teen idol whatever and Chatting at the Amber Teahouse is a novel.

I decided to try a bit after a few months of not playing at all.

I suck now.


And now I get this insulted!

>>10443996
>I suck now.
>now

Seems like the thread is about to reach it's end tonight. Kind of sad, I was hoping to see some competition between the two players who posted a submission for the scoring category.

-

But, hey, I'll ask you if you're okay with keeping the same scoring challenge for another thread. (I'll change the special in any case)

How would you find that?

>>10444077
I'm okay with that.

http://livestream.com/seppostream
Boring, monotone restarts at IN Extra. We'll make it to Mokou, but only if we're lucky.

>>10444049
I wish to see your argument that supports your statement.

Probably you don't have one, so we could settle this with a duel of PoFV.

>Scoring challenge: IN Extra with other shots than Youmu solo
Team Mahou shoujo - 2,221,483,810

Hm. The time got tight on me so I had to resort into playing a shot that isn't a solo human. I hope this goes into the next thread so you kids get to take more jabs at each other.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26737

>>10444099
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkQgNJHo
If this happens, post replays.

>>10444099
>proREMIRIAt not saging
Shit's going down, huh.

>>10444302
I'm was using nokosage. Post failed so it reseted my mail field.

Don't worry, I'll keep my further useless comments in proper sage status.

Who are the most talented shmup players?

>>10444462
Riz > Cactu > Touhougameplay guy > the rest of /jp/

>>10444242
I've been trying the special challenge, but can't do better than the already posted run

>>10444525
Riz doesn't have talent. He spends all of his time playing UFO exclusively but he's still not a top player. Dedication and hard work can make up for a lack of talent if you only play one or two games, but talented people will have top scores in a wide variety of games.

A real man performs well in shmups without talent!!

>>10444579
Being good at shooters isn't something to be proud of anyway.

>>10444462
Nindella > everyone else

>>10444462
KDK Takeyuki, Yusemi SWY, SOF-WTN, Clover TAC, DAME K.K, GFA2-ISO are some of the most skilled.

Playing for score sucks - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtop.php?f=1&t=41394

>>10444612
who?

>>10444619
ｗ

>>10444462
I think a better question would be "which is the most untalented player" and I would nominate that pathetic sack of shit who has over 1000 hours in IN and no scores of note.

>>10444631
That could very well be me. I only have a bit above 3 billion in IN Lunatic and close to 1000 hours on the game.

Most of those were on the score.dat when i shamelessly pirated it though

>>10444612
What has Dame K.K. done besides Mushimesama Ultra modes?

SWY is undoubtedly the greatest player of all time. ISO would be my 2nd choice.

>>10444635
The one I'm referring to hasn't even 1cc'd IN on Lunatic.

>>10444652
With such great insight into that persons achievements and hours played it is save to assume that you are referring to yourself I guess. You'll get it someday.

>>10444616
Stay free, where no walls divide you
You're free as the roaring tide
So there's no need to hide

Born free, and life is worth living
But only worth living
'Cause you're born free

(Stay free, where no walls divide you)
You're free as the roaring tide
So there's no need to hide

Born free, and life is worth living
But only worth living
'Cause you're born free

>>10444695
Pride in autism is embarrassing.

>>10444703
It's pride in being better than you.

>>10444713
Better than me at pressing keys on your keyboard, yeah. I can't say that I'm too bothered.

>>10444721
Let's hear of your great accomplishments in things of import, then.

>>10444721
>better than me at throwing a ball
>better than me at kicking a ball
>better than me at moving pieces on a board
>better than me at writing words on paper
>better than me at plucking at strings

Taking pride in simply being better than others is a very silly thing.

So please stop it

>>10444784
I don't know who you're quoting, and yeah, acts of physical strength, the creation of art and great intelligence are impressive.
>>10444783
I won a game of chess when I was 7, which is relatively more impressive.

>>10444797
Truly we are dealing with the greatest of renaissance men.

>>10444797
There is nothing impressive about acts of physical strength. Any meathead could do those things.

It takes great intelligence and dexterity to create art as magnificent as Yusemi SWY's superplays, on the other hand.

>>10444809
Intelligence and dexterity turned towards feeble endeavours may as well not be used at all. And your emotions would betray self-deceit as regards your perspective on physical strength if one of those "meatheads" you referenced threatened you.

Superplayers are like classical music composers. They use their genius to create brilliant symphonies that the rest of us learn and try to recite.

SWY > Mozart.

>>10444833
They use their genius to move a little sprite about on a screen and make a number go up. Mozart used his genius to create great works of art. I don't know why I bother whenever I bring up this argument. You're all so set in your ways.

>>10444851
Art is as worthless as any video game. Nothing in life has any value unless it benefits humanity (doctors or scientists, for example).

>>10444862
Utilitarianism is so embarrassingly misguided. The narcissism and misplaced elitism of its proponents reminds me of scorers.

>>10444868
Yeah well, you're a faggot.

>>10444884
owned 4 lyfe

>>10444648
I'd rate KDK Takeyuki above ISO
as for Dame K.K.
Shikigami no Shiro 2 & 3 WRs with Roger
Deathsmiles MBL WR with Casper
Daifukkatsu WRs 1 or 2 of the power ships Omote loop & A-P Ura loop
1st Futari Ultra Counterstop
Giga Wing 2 WR with Ralgo
and a bunch of near WRs

>>10444077
I'm also okay with this.

>>10444911
not so dame after all.

>>10445488
it's the good kind of dame m8

like, gatdamn that dude is one dame mother fucka.

So, after sort of managing to clear Imperishable Night exactly twice, I'm trying to clear Mokou's Extra Stage. Here are the scores I've managed to get:

January 20:
117924960, 24.11% complete
138387790, 35.13%
114713300, 33.95%
157994790, 47.52%

January 22:
131019500, 36.61%

January 23:
129702820, 46.7%

January 24:
179956380, 48.67%

Basically, the farthest I've gotten so far has been Mokou's fourth spellcard. I grinded her first one, I think I captured it after like 35 tries or so.

Is that advancement good enough? I feel insecure, like an old dog trying to learn a new trick... all my life I've been playing everything on Easy and only until recently I've gotten to learn to enjoy the pleasure of getting beaten to a pulp by a merciless danmaku, but I feel like I screwed up, the damage is done, there's nothing I can do and undoing my previous mistakes is futile...

>>10446005
You suck.
I've gotten to her last spellcard on my first try.
And you're an idiot or playing on easy.

>>10446039
It took me like 4 days of continuous grinding to get an 85% capture rate on Marisa's Milky Way on Normal.

Now, the first time I played Touhou, I spent my first continue on Cirno's Icicle Fall Easy. I was literally starting from square one.

>>10446005
Post a replay if you want more specific help. I don't see any problem with your progress since everyone needs to start somewhere.

>>10446039
Bugger off. Everyone improves at their own pace.

>>10446005
Your scores are very low. You should try grapping point items at PoC more and remember to be in human mode while you do it.

Also, spell practice is your friend. Mokou has a lot of simple cards once you get the method down so definitely do some practicing. Don't be afraid to ask if there are patterns in particular that you are afraid of.

New thread:
>>10446815