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>Daggerfall
>Wizardry
By the way, does anybody know of some good /jp/ related war simulators, such as World of Tanks or War Thunder?

>>10294244
Koihime Musou is my favorite dungeon crawler and rogue-like.

>>10294259
>Daggerfall
>Wizardry

What are you trying to imply here?

Etrian Odyssey, Class of Heroes, Unchained Blades.

Etrian odyssey all day every day.

EO

touhou labyrinth is ok

>>10294497
Would be better if it was first-person.

>>10294422
How about some computer games?

Arx fatalis
ultima underworld
Might and Magic 6-9

for such an easy to nail genre and probably easy to make as well... there is a disgusting lack of even attempted development

>>10295415
Oh /jp/ related...

nevermind and I forget the delete password

there was that series on PS2 IIRC that had dungeon crawling elements... you remember that shit where you had to rebuild each town hub you came across with shit you found in the dungeons.

the second one had some big black dude with nignog lips.

Raidy 2 isn't bad.

I heard there is a third one, is that true?

>>10295547
All 3 are bad.

that feel when no Generation XTH translation

also, doesn't work on my computer

>>10295433
dark cloud?

>>10295553
How bad?

>>10295553
ur bad
>>10295586
I like them, they are grindy but I like the art.

>>10295596
me in the back on the right

>>10295615

Rance, does that count?

>>10295641
I liked that game. I was thinking about replaying it because of this thread. I haven't played it in almost 8 years.

>>10295647
Which one?

>>10295553
you have no taste

how is words worth?

i have already preordered etrian odyssey 4

can't wait to play it

Tir Na Nog?

I think this counts

>>10295688
All of them.

>>10295956
sauce?

>Daggerfall

I have never beaten this game because every time I try, one of the random dungeons fucks up for me. There was one where you're supposed to find some key item on a random corpse/monster, and apparently there's a bug that makes it impossible sometimes. I spent fucking hours in that dungeon then gave up.

Who DUNGEON CRAWL STONE SOUP here?

>>10296049
I would but the console window appears incredibly small.

>>10296049
Hey!

How is the Rune Factory dungeon crawling stuff?

I ordered rune factory 4 a few days ago but it might not be here for a while because of new years

>>10296034
I usually find it after a while. The problem is that the map fucking sucks ass. The combat system is really fun, imo.

>>10296066
I loved combat in Daggerfall. Drawing out your attacks with the mouse like that was so fun. I wish Morrowind was more like that--everyone was too busy complaining that hits don't always count as hits (like some sort of role-playing game) but really they should have been complaining about the attack system. I think someone modded in Daggerfall-style attacks.

I might go back and give Daggerfall another go. Didn't they release it as freeware a few years back? Does it run in DOSBox okay?

>>10296074
Just google Daggerfall installer. It does all the work for you. Just save often.

>>10296074
Combat in the latter installments after Daggerfall have been terrible. Morrowind's is the exact opposite of fun.>>10296096

Who played the Emperor in Daggerfall? I know they got Patrick Stewart to do it later, but I liked the Daggerfall guy. He seemed like a real actor whereas all the other people were clearly just devs who couldn't act.

Was it King Lysandus who gives a post-mortem speech half way through the game? That was grating to listen to.

first person rpgs and just lazy ways to make a rpg animation, you don't see your characters, its fucking boring.

>>10296122
You can customize and see your character in every Elder Scrolls game.

>>10296119
That guy had an awesome voice, didn't he?

http://youtu.be/Dh24sXlxY8s

No amount of voice filters will make you sound like less of an American neckbeard trying to do a fantasy voice.

>>10296119
No one remembers, apparently.

>>10296180
I like B-movies where this sort of thing comes up a lot. It blows my mind how creators can just forget who someone was or what happened at a certain point or whatever, even if it was just them and some friends playing around with costumes.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=486194

This looks amazing.

>>10296370
>This garbage makes dungeon crawlers look bad. Even if it was the best game ever, if I wanted crap like this in my RPGs, I'd go play Idea Factory games.

I guess this is why we'll never get it.

>>10296385

>>10296385
I more think we'll never get it because psp is dead in the west

>>10297155
Glorious

Triangle wizard Wild Mage master race reporting in.

>>10296385
So uptight

I for one am looking forward to Demon Gaze.

>>10297192
Forgot my tits

>>10297165
Really? For how long?

Has anyone tried any of the Dungeon Travelers games? I was tempted to try the second one after I learned that there's a maid class that can be promoted to a dominatrix.

But if there's a second one, I feel I should play the first one. Is that one any good? And if I understand correctly, the first one is just a non-ero PSP version of a game called FINAL DRAGON CHRONICLE. Will I miss out on anything if I play that instead of the PsP version? It just doesn't feel right to play a game without ero if the original had ero.

>>10297212
I'm pretty sure the original just has nudity.

>>10296049
I do and I also on some occasions did a Touhou themed mod using this DCSS. But it's still rather incomplete.

>>10297202

>>10296028
Erotical night

>>10297197
A scar on her boob that transitions down to and including her abs?
Why is the character design in Demon Gaze so incredible?

ultima underworld I & II.

Daggerfall sucks.

The cities are boring and lifeless, NPC's are just walking dolls who all have the same stock lines.

There are thousands of towns, but very little reason to visit any of them. They all just have the same stores, the same temples, the same guilds, and of course lots of empty houses.

There are thousands of dungeons, but exploring them is kind of boring. The combat is clunky, the treasures are mostly just the same "you found 50 gold!" or "you found some slightly better armor!" you see in every RPG. Or, occasionally you'll find a map that leads to a "secret" dungeon that's no more awesome than the dungeon you were just in. Yippee!

Oh, and did someone say "procedural generation"?

99% of the game's towns and dungeons were computer generated. Don't even expect a professional level of quality in the game's map design, you won't find it. The only people who like Daggerfall are poorfags who can't play Morrowind and Oblivion.

If I wanted to comb randomly generated dungeons for loot, I'd play Nethack, at least Nethack has a goal to look forward to.

If I wanted to explore gloomy labyrinths in 90's 3D, I'd download one of countless fan-made levels for Doom or Quake. At least those games have decent combat.

If I wanted to "roleplay" and create a story about my character in a single player game, I'd play Fallout. At least Fallout has unique NPC's and some neat dialogue trees.

If I wanted to experience the absolute worst of these three things, I'd play Daggerfall.

>>10297212
PSP has lots of gameplay changes. Party sizes are bigger, more events, more skills, etc. It's a decent dungeon crawler so I would recommend playing it if you have some free time since the second won't be out for 3 months.

Read the wiki if you want to see all the changes from the pc to psp version.
http://www18.atwiki.jp/th2dt/pages/14.html

>>10297918
>Oblivion

Yeah, Oblivion and Morrowind are terrible. Daggerfall is fun because of the difficulty and atmosphere. The plot is also pretty nice. Oblivion is just a massive ripoff of LOTR.

who dungeon master here?

>>10297918
A lot of what you're saying comes down to realism. Obviously there was laziness and limited technology (nobody has a dead end in the middle of their fucking house) but that's the kind of game it is. J. Random NPC isn't going to have zany lines about necrophilia, he's going to be a boring faggot who says the same shit as everyone else.

As for all the towns, dungeons, etc., they're randomized in the same way a roguelike would be randomized. D&D has had rules for that going back to at least AD&D2. I don't see why you're content with something like NetHack but not Daggerfall. If you need to know a room was meticulously hand placed by a human being instead of generated by a computer, then I don't think most dungeon crawlers would be your type of game to begin with.

Also this is probably copypasta and IHBT.

Who is shining in the darkness here?

You will never leave Mystia unmolested.

Myst

>>10298525
That looks pretty good.

Ive been palkying legend of grimrock. If you kanw anyting about goodgames, you should check it out. It feels rewarding, rather intense and its true to the olschool dungeon crawlers. It updates things that need to be updated but overall it sfeels like a classic dungeon crawling geemu, only better.

You guys should play baroque.

I enjoyed the Brandish remake for the psp. Wish they'd make more of them.

>>10298546
The saturn/playstation version is better

>>10297556

>>10298668
is that a finger or nipple?
it's hard to tell

>>10298696
It's a thumb

I was bored so I made an incomplete list: http://pastebin.com/v9Pw3MEE

>>10295586
>How bad?

Lightning Warrior Raidy was pretty horrible. The only interesting part is the character interaction, but most of the game is spent wandering in featureless mazes and fighting battles that have no tactical depth: you're either high enough level and carrying enough healing potions, or you lose. But the shallow battles weren't really that bad. It was the horrible featureless mazes that made me too bored to continue.

Maybe the second and third game were better. I only tried the first game.

>>10297918
I tried Daggerfall recently, and I really wanted to like it, but it really failed to draw me in. Privateer's Hold was interesting enough, but after that, as I traveled to the first city, tried talking to people, visiting houses and doing side quests and guild quests, I just started feeling more and more like I was playing an empty shell of a game rather than a real game. NPCs are completely indistinguishable from each other since they have exactly the same dialogue, houses and shops are almost identical except that they come from different templates, guild quests are randomly generated and thus feel completely pointless, and I'm not particularly fond of getting lost in a huge randomly generated dungeon just to finish a low level fetch quest that rewards me with 230 gold.

I want to finish it before I start Morrowind, but I really struggle finding any desire to play it any more when it's so unengaging.

>>10298796
However, I'll say this in Lightning Warrior Raidy's defense. It was recommended to me on the basis that it has pictures of cute girls getting hurt, and in that respect it was quite satisfactory. It's just that it wasn't enough to make up for the gameplay.

You know I played almost all of Wizardry 8 and just couldn't get past that underwater segment. Then I lost the save. No idea how people did that game on Ironman.

>>10297918
>If I wanted to explore gloomy labyrinths in 90's 3D, I'd
Play WordsWorth, right?

>>10298886
Why was the final boss in Words Worth so shitty?

>>10298668

Tried some of EO. It didn't really "grab" me in the way I was expecting. I'd much rather fight moe girls and watch their clothes shred away. Mapping isn't tedious, but I can't say it's enjoyable.

>>10299718
Have you tried EOIII?
In either case, my most favourite element of the EO games are the customizable parties and characters/classes. And the numerous number of ways of which you can build your party.

And I believe the difficulty curve and the FOEs deserves a special mention.

Personally I am rather indifferent to the mapping itself, but on the topic of what ends up on the maps, I guess the dungeon design of the levels isn't too bad.

>>10300048
I've only tried the first one.

>>10297197
What are the chances of this being translated?

>>10300540
100%

>>10300560
I appreciate you time.

Sweet Jesus.

>>10300275
I would recommend checking out the third one.
First off, the game in general is generally refined, but most notably the game is faster. And you can speed up the battle animations/speed in the options among other things.

But yeah. I would recommend it.

>>10301355
How text heavy could this game be?
Perhaps I should attempt extracting all of its text.

But then again, what are the odds of there being a single translator interested in something as niche as a dungeon crawler, text-light or not?

That said, I have no idea on whether or not the game is text-light or text-heavy. I could imagine either case.
Perhaps I should start with acquiring the game myself.

>>10296068
Don't remember how it is for pure dungeon crawl, but together with the usual farming and dating stuff it was a lot of fun and made it hard for me to go back to regular Harvest Moon

>>10297918
>>10298851
Same, it was really impressive and ambitious, but ultimately the huge world just felt empty.

I wasn't fond of being forced to do slashing motions with combat either.

I like dungeon crawlers a lot. I also love cute girls in panties in EVERYTHING.

I would buy all of this stuff in a heartbeat if it were available in English.
>>10296385
>>10297155
>>10297197
>>10297202
>>10297556
>>10298668

I buy a lot of roguelikes and indie dungeon crawlers as well. EO was pretty cool, but if it had cute girls in it I would have liked it 100x better.

>>10303976
>but if it had cute girls in it I would have liked it 100x better.
Since when did EO not have cute girls?

>>10304290
Since 3 and all the monsters are ugly.

>>10304312
>Since 3
Are you telling me they aren't cute?

>>10304752
The NPCs are cute too for that matter.

>>10304752
That doesn't look as bad as I remember it being. Since 4 then, even now I don't really like the way any of my original 5 looked like.

That gunner girl from 2 is still my favorite.

>>10304917
But EO4 is the cutest yet.

>>10305102
Ok! Since 5 then.

>>10304290
Let me know when they start stripping.

>>10305395
The artist, did loli porn before the official art career.

>>10305402
What's his name?

>>10294209
Is Resonance of Fate a dungeon crawler?

>>10305465
Nope

>>10305481
Can I say how much I'm loving the game anyway

What would the ideal party be in EO 1?

>>10305544
Most people roll with PLS-MA.
Protector gets defender and "anti-" shit.
Landskjk gets allslash and blazer/one of the other two elemental attacks.
Survivalist gets 1st turn and I don't know what else because I never had one.
Medic gets immunize and salves.
Alchemist gets 2 types of elemental attacks to complement the landsjdshf's elemental trailing attack ability. This is what people consider the ideal party.

When you get immunize maxed, spam it every 4 turns, in every fight you may have trouble with.

why the fuck isn't class of heroes 2 out yet

>>10305584
I ran PLP-MT for my playthrough, and it worked splendidly.
Though I don't know about ideal. And for some reason people tend to have something against running the same class twice or something.

>>10305600
Yes, mostly because variety helps. Different classes have access to different buffs, ailments, binds and healing/map skills. It's fine to have 2 pure damage dealers of the same type, preferably with different builds/weapon types. But having 2 buffers of the same type isn't too useful.

But you can get by with almost any party. People do challenge runs all the time.
I say get whoever looks cutest.

>>10305599
I have been waiting for that too.
And... I still have dreams about Class of Heroes 3 being translated.

>>10305599
I didn't realize they made a Kickstarter for it.

What was the goal?

>>10305624
>I say get whoever looks cutest.

Will do.

>>10305633

$500k, and it was just for the deluxe package since they planned on releasing the game digitally anyway. it's a shame, since apparently creative design is a company known for making bitchin' collector's editions. if i recall, they only made about 20% of their goal.

>>10305624
Of my EO3 playthroughs, my best EO3 party was actually
Hoplite/Monk, Gladiator/Buccaneer, Hoplite/Monk
Prince/Shogun, Princess/Shogun

To run the same classes works quite well with quite a few of the EO3 cast.

>>10305651

*working designs, i don't know why i typed creative design.

>>10305651
It's a shame that thing wasn't more advertised. Nowadays every odd kickstarter thing is funded incredible amounts of money, even if it's some kind of really small project of dubious value.

I bet, that if they had done the kickstarter deal today, they would have gotten far more money.

>>10305665
Why do you have male characters?

chaos labrinth and the new game these guys are making http://www.debonosu.jp/

>>10305741
I lost a few brain cells reading your post.

>>10305797
It's perfectly clear

>>10305797
But you're losing them every moment regardless of the things you read.

Found my Busin0 disk. I have to try emulating this since my PS2 is dead.

>>10305633
What is this Kickstarter thing? I've been hearing it recently, but as I never leave /jp/, I have no idea what it really is.

>>10305915
I'm sure you can leave /jp/ long enough to use google.

>>10305797
Why? What's the cause of that, anon?

>>10305915
It's like if Reimu set up a donation box and set a quota, which if reached, would then motivate her enough to go out and cleanse Gensokyo of youkai scum.

>>10305961
>labrinth

He then mentioned Debo's new game game. The problem is that Debo's newest game is Chaos Labyrinth.

>>10306004
>The problem is that Debo's newest game is Chaos Labyrinth.
Is it a bad game or something?

>>10306014
His sentence was just very redundant.

>>10306004
I meant the one that will come out after that. I may have mistaken them for another company.

>>10306057
GEARS of DRAGOON?

>>10303435
Well there are ADV segments. Then you have to edit all the menu images and item descriptions.

;_;

I miss playing Castle of the Winds.

>>10306252
I used to play that on our Packard Bell. I think I found it at a video rental place that sold shareware disks at the checkout counter.

Any doujinshi crawlers besides the Touhou one?

>>10306252

>>10306510
manticore plz go

Advanced a few levels in EO.
The monsters aren't very creative, and as a result, the game is less fun than it could be. I feel that this genre heavily relies on art and atmosphere. EO has failed at that.

>>10308028
Oh thats sad to hear, I was looking forward to number four, I wonder if that has improved in the newer ones.

>>10308054
It's a popular series for a reason. Just because the art doesn't appeal to one person on /jp/, doesn't mean it's terrible.

>>10308075
I like the character art. The monsters just aren't very creative though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_Labyrinth

This looks amazing.

So what are some good ones anyway? I don't care if it's western or Japanese I just want something good to play.

I don't have a lot of experience in the genre.

>>10308435
RT or turn based?

>>10308435
World of XEEN

>>10308492
That looks insanely intimidating for someone who's supposed to be new....

>>10308435
The Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games are actually a pretty good intro to dungeon crawlers if you can get past the fact that they assume it's going to be played in short chunks so they have constant flashbacks to shit you saw five minutes ago.

>>10306510
Magic arrow?

More like green squid projectile.

>>10308028
It's the FOEs and the bosses that are the most interesting.
The regular mobs are just forces that slowly sheers away your party's energy to make reaching further into the dungeon more of a hassle in the face of potential FOEs.
dagobah.net/flash/IOSYS_foe_translated.swf

>>10308543
Just play the mainstay Mystery Dungeon games, d00d.

>>10309668
may be 2hard4casuals

>>10309620
I'll keep going then.

>>10305447
I think his name was Yuji Himukai, iirc.

>>10311599
Suddenly I feel motivated.

>>10311641
NOW
I'M MOTIVATED

>>10311599
>(C64) [Shimoboard & Ungrofish! (Himukai Yuji, Shimosan)] kizutape (Kizuato)

I did not expect that.

I play Widenyo.

What about western dungeon crawlers? Grimrock was pretty good, but just couldn't hold my attention for longer than fifteen or twenty minutes at a time.

>>10312400
I bought that game in hopes that people would make cool things with the editor, the game looks pretty damn good on its own so I still have high hopes for user created content.

>>10312396
Isn't that an SLG?

>>10312400
Borderlands isn't too bad, it's a pain solo but my dad and I played it together quite a bit and we had a good time. It's less hack and slashy and more point and shooty but it still feels like a dungeon crawler.

>>10311641
Which game has the girl on the left?

>>10313345
Etrian Odyssey 2

>>10312400
No good modern western dungeon crawlers

>>10313413
Are there any besides Grimrock?

>>10313588
Not really, no...

>>10313372
Thanks.
In EO1 when can I actually enter a dungeon?

>>10295596
that anatomy

recettear is fun for what it's worth, kinda broken and feels unfinished in areas (especially the core gameplay, and dungeon crawlin') but it's cute and unique.

>>10314124
I'll play it when someone else translates it.

If I like Etrian Odyssey and Might & Magic VI to VIII, what else should I play? I like to be able to create parties and explore stuff.

>>10294209
Does she have a pot leaf on her bra?

>>10317461
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469298

>>10317518
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momiji

>>10317461
I looked at Might & Magic games today, the interface looks really tedious.

>>10319099
it isn't though. Those three games are fairly easy to get into.

>>10319114
Where should I start?

>>10319120
6, slightly more difficult than the sequels, but has the best locations in my opinion

>>10319114
You know what would be cool? If someone replaced those ugly portraits with portraits of cute 2D girls. It makes a world of difference in Etrian Odyssey, so it could probably also motivate me to play old western RPGs.

>>10319158
I agree. But there's still the NPCs.

I'm not sure what it is, but I simply cannot get into EO. Mapping the dungeon isn't fun on the computer. Being a recent game I kind of expected better effects...? I mean, a bunch of old crawlers have animated sprites and shit. It feels more like a JRPG than it does a dungeon crawler, imho.

>>10319158
Perhaps we should attempt to mod them.

>>10319158
Oh come on, the portraits are hilarious.
Have you seen their status effect expressions?
Wait a few days without sleeping to see them go insane. Go west across the bridge from that first town and let snakes/those tube bat things munch on you to see poison.
Use the stables to get to darkmoor to see fear and curse.

>>10294209
>Wizardry

I actually paid $15 for the Japanese one on PS3. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

>>10319114
Look at that min/maxing. I bet you're a savescummer too!

>>10319960
Why is that even on PS3? I thought it was a fucking PSP game at first.

>>10319969
Since I have both systems it doesn't bother me. I thought the art was nice.

>>10319977
Ew, what's up with these ugly girly-looking men? Repulsing.

>>10296370
the good games never get localized

>>10319980
Better than old men.

>>10322264
no its not

>>10322278
Are you gay

>>10323695
Maybe a little, teehee.

Played the trial of GoD and found it pretty fun to play, can't wait for the full version later this month.

>>10330162
What's the gold-thing at the top for?

>>10330164
The one over the mini-map? Its turn/round/day indicator which shows how much of the current day has elapsed and also shows the element of that day which causes increase/decrease of stats depending on element affinity. It the meter part of its limit break meter how long till you can use it

>>10329197
That game. It's what confirmed the PSV to be the cutest gaming hardware of the new generation.
>In Holy Sorcery Story, you enter dungeons to get ingredients to save the neighborhood curry shop.

>>10296370
I feel like crying because this will never be localized.

>>10330197
Why are the bunnies blushing?

>>10330497
They see your dick.

>>10330197
I'm hoping for some route/gameplay integration, like losing or winning certain fights will put you on specific routes.
You rarely see that.

>>10332109
To my knowledge the game will have 2 routes called Law and Chaos, and then there's like 10 heroines that you can get ending with. So I doubt there will be much of gameplay integration other than collecting affection points to determine ending

>>10333717
Kinda reminds me of Himegari.
Oh well, that's something at least.

any wizardry fans here

>>10334670
I am a fan. Elminage and Class of Heroes are both great fun. Actual Wizardry is ok too.
The new IOs game looks interesting, but I am no fan of that social game trend nor the e-shop shit.

Only ones I ever played were Etrian Odyssey and Izuna on my DS.

I didn't like Izuna but I really enjoy EO and have already preordered the 4th game for my 3DS. Thank you amazon.com

>>10338195
>Thank you amazon.com
Fuck you Nintendo and your based region locks.

>>10334670
I would play them but setting up a DOSbox shortcut is a hassle.

>>10303435
i dont generally translate things but i speak both english and japanese and could give it a try

if you extract all the text and send it to me whenever id give it a look but i cant promise anything and especially not quickly

>>10330162

What's the name of game?

>>10341519
Not him but cool. Extracting the script should be pretty easy(for the PC version).

>>10295562
http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/t1-code-hazard-translation-uates-1-11-13

>>10348902
Are you going to do it?

>>10339987
you could just play the NES, SNES, or PSX ports, bud

>>10348814
Gears of Dragoon

>>10351040
I'll give it a shot.

How is Unchained Blades?

>>10357049
I say it's quite great. Something I did not expect to be honest. It pleasantly surprised me with a whole lot.

I am pretty much buying a 3DS for Etrian Odyssey and SMT/Soul Hackers and the like, I hope they'll release more games as such in its lifetime.

Crawlers and roguelikes will probably forever be my favorite gametype. I like playing ones with a bit of crossover into Japan-style too, I hadn't heard of Unchained Blades before so I'll need to get that probably too.

>>10330162 >>10330197
What's the title of this game? I'm apparently too stupid to pull up a related result from google that isn't talking about various God-somethings in Crawl.

>>10357882

>>10354250

>>10305722
Not that guy, but I had at least one character as a male on every EO. It had my name so I can have my harem. My male in EOIII was a pirate.

>>10357886
Thank you.

>>10305722
I usually go with the male when I don't like the female portraits.

>>10338195
>>10294430
I would like to start first Etrian Odyssey (I know that 3rs is more beginner friendly but still) and I heard that it has some more or less essential skills and\or builds. Can you give me some tips without spoiling too much strategic discoveries? Or is this all BS and I can rely only on knowledge received in-game?

>>10360475
Just get at least one protector. They have some kind of elemental nullify/shield/counter skill that's very useful for end game bosses.
But it's not exactly obligatory per se.

You should do fine.

>>10360475
Medic with maxed Immunize. The in game description is incorrect. It will boost your party's defense against everything and you'll pretty much be using it the entire game.

You can pretty much make your party anything else as long as you have Immunize.

>>10360475
I haven't played EO1 in a long time, but the only place where stuff is 'required' is post-game and maybe endgame. EO1 is by far the least balanced though and the difference between the bad and good skills tends to be gamebreakingly large. EO2 in general is much more balanced on the low end though there are still OP combos. EO3 is much harder to screw up on because each class is way more forgiving.
I didn't even use a hoplite in EO3.

>>10360649
>>10360741
>>10360777
Thank you. I'll keep this in mind.

>>10294209
there ARE newer dungeon crawlers than those ones you know, christ

>>10362160
Gee anon, it's almost like you haven't read the thread.

>>10362190,1
kisama

>>10349297
Thanks

I'm looking for dungeon crawlers where you play as / fight against cute girls. I've already played Etrian Odyssey.

Please thanks.

>>10366692
ToHeart Dungeon Travelers?

>>10296370
>>10296385

Thank you for reminding me that NeoGaf is scum and is just as bad as /v/ and /a/.

Speaking of Wizardry, has anyone tried Wizardry Online? I watched a couple of videos and it looked like it could be somewhat fun with permadeath and dungeon crawling.

>>10375227
it's pretty boring actually

>>10345663
Soon

>>10375227
Hardcore pay2win (exp boost, item refinement, item theft protection, res chance increase) in an open PVP / gear-based "skill" game.

No thanks.

>>10375170
No problem.

>>10375308
>>10379063
Good to know. Will avoid.

>>10375382
Not for me. There's too many things coming out around the 24th. I'll be putting all my free time into N1's PS3 game. I'll pick Demon Gaze up once I'm done with some of the other releases from January.

>>10385945
Are you getting Monpiece?

It's a roguelike, but I guess there are dungeons.

I want to use this thread in like an hour or two, bumping.

For interested people, Gears of Dragoon is out

>>10398697
does it need a crack?

if the persona games count i been playing p4g a lot. other than that i guess fate/extra. I want to play ccc version but I really didnt see the point in preordering it because i only have a vita now and there is now way for me to get it to work with that.

>>10398697
Time to not be able to figure out how to play because of my plebian English-only skills.

>>10399880
Genki, Denshi Jisho, Kanji Sonomama, J-Prep.
Congrats, you can read Japanese.

>>10400008
Just wanna say that image is spectacular.

>>10400008
Can you supply the initiative too please, I'm too lazy.

>>10389142
Yes, 2 vita and 1 ps3 game. I hope they come in today so I have something to do.

>>10398732
Nope, I don't think any of the Nine/Dual-Tail games have ever needed one

>>10400008
Thank you for that image, they still confuse me sometimes but not anymore.

>>10398697
It's a shame these things aren't localized.

>>10405256
Learn Japanese.

>>10405256
they never will, do your reps.

>Daggerfall

Nigger please.

>>10407247
>Anvil of Dawn

>>10407247
Cursor control fucking blows

>>10407261
OH NO I HAVE TO CLICK THINGS IN A DOS GAME.

Move using the arrow keys if you're a faggot. You could do the same thing in Daggerfall.

fuck all that daggerfall shit, i need some good roguelikes other than nethack/doomrl/dredmor (adom need not apply)

>>10407321
Angband is pretty fun.

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is a more recent game I enjoy (and I actually like the tiles). Then there's Elona, though for some reason I never really considered that a roguelike.

I knew the player memos in Demon Gaze would be helpful

>>10412760
Oh. How is the game? I have been looking forward to this game for quite some time, but I haven't tried it out yet.

>>10400008
holy shit

>>10412760
Are those like online cloud messages ala Demon's Souls?

Quality messages, there.

>>10407321
>>10411643
Have any newer roguelikes even been made? Or is mostly all the old stuff that in some cases still gets updated.

>>10415128
There are light roguelikes (roguelites?) on consoles and they get developed uncommonly by doujin circles. Really heavy/technical roguelikes like nethack are rare.

So what are your opinions on Gears of Dragoon so far?
Also, try to be polite and considerate of spoilers.

>>10420728
Liking it a lot, although story is only decent I still like it as I like the theme and am sucker for the whole machina chronicle setting, also gameplay is addicting and actually challenging, also doing chaos route first so somewhat limited character selection can make some bosses fuck hard.

>>10420728
>>10421380
My opinion is I wish I could read Japanese, or had the drive to learn it.

Is the game high enough quality that any group might eventually pick it up for a translation, or is it doomed to JP-only "obscurity"?

>>10421385
it's pretty unlikely that it gets translated, although there was one guy that was atleast interested in doing a interface translation for it but had troubles of hacking the game files.

>>10420728
It's ok. I'm just rolling with the do whatever I like most at the moment mentality. Dungeon crawlers aren't exactly popular so I'll take what I can get.

>>10296385
You retard. This game is for Japanese people in another cultural context. Gaijin don't understand that this game is for sperm production and pleasure ejaculation. Go to play technical correct Call of Slutty. The game that american gaijin must play because is a 12/10 and stop pretending being a sophisticated hipster.

>>10421380
You aren't supposed to be able to do hard mode right off the bat right? I clicked it without reading the description and got plowed in my first battle.

>>10421545
most likely, been playing on normal and it still can kick my ass if I'm not careful and lets not mention some of the bosses, still on my first run, depending what carries over will try hard on my next run when doing law route

>>10421584
They were hitting me for ~200 and regening 50 hp a turn while I was hitting for 9-13.

I wish we got softcore RPGs here in the west. I would play Dungeon Travelers so hard.

>>10420728
The gameplay is decent. Getting good equipments and enchanting is actually quite a bit of fun. Although it feels unnecessary to force the players to purify pillars (found in certain dungeons) regularly to prevent the monsters from being over-leveled, when those who want a challenge can just play hard (or very hard after the first play-through) mode instead.

The story on the other hand, is utterly horrible. It's like the writers just went for every trite scenario they could think of. The MC is stereotypically and frustratingly hot-headed and simple-minded. Most of the characters are dull and annoyingly generic. The Chaos route doesn't feel like one at all, and the Law route is just a big storm of cliches. The main theme of "I'll protect my family no matter the costs" is poorly thought-out and executed. It would have been much better had the story not taken itself so seriously.

tl;dr a poor man's Etrian with a laughably bad story that is laden with cheesy dialogues, predictable scenarios, and a cast of unengaging characters who look like they came right out of a Fire Emblem game

Gears of Dragoon sounds like Unchained Rexx.

Both seem to have the same kind of terrible plots.

Fire Emblem: Awakening broke release date in Canada, not sure about other places yet. I have my copy.

/jp/ - Dungeon Crawling related because I didn't finish Unchained Blades in time for the release of this.

>>10423719
How much would you seriously have to grind to start off on hard mode though? The first battles are 18+ when you are level 4.
Even spamming line guard and hard edge you'll barely scrap through one mob. 3 is game over.

>>10424897
For anyone interested, they fixed this in 1.02. The level grind is way more lenient now for hard (no idea on normal or hard). Most people are probably pretty far into their normal mode saves by now.

>>10425238
Starting hard mode straight off is still suicidal. For example the first few bosses can one shot anyone in your front line with a critical even under weapon break with aegis+line guard up unless you got really lucky with (or scummed) some beastly armor drops and stack it on one character to do taunt.

>>10424897
I wouldn't recommend start on hard on your first playthrough. Grind your way up in normal mode and try to max out your guild ranks so you can get really decent drops for enchanting, which is really vital to winning. On very hard, the Law route final boss was at about level 140 with a low pillar pollution. A party around the same level with good gears should be able to take him out without too much trouble.

There's a crazy mode (level cap 200, guild rank cap 13) after beating very hard, but it seems like you can't change the difficulty once you pick crazy, not even in the subsequent playthroughs. The game also provides the option to completely skip the RPG part after finishing the two routes. Really useful for CG collection.

>>10427157
I've seen some people posting +50 gear... is there something I am missing that lets that happen? Or is it just extremely rare?

turupeta-kyou no yabou is a must play!

>>10427157
you forgot the bandit boss that looks like Volke

Jonnes don't remember Kadimori.

>>10428264
>Jonnes
Fuck up nerd

>>10428265
epic
i like it

I can't wait for this game to come out.

how's that wizardry mmo?

>>10428325
What's that called? It looks pretty good.

>>10427734
I finished very hard with maxed guild ranks and the highest refined gear I have is +27 or something. Even if I spent all the points on refining, it'd end up below +40 anyway. So I'm not too sure about +50, it might be actually obtainable but it could've very well been hacked.

>>10428233
Epic designs.

>>10428325
Looks kinda like a newer version of labyrinth of touhou

>>10294497
Touhou Labyrinth was okay, until the 20th floor where grinding is a must. I must've been bored since I grinded all the way to floor 30 and beat the Serpent of Chaos and those whatever-the-hell-they-were-called. But, ***WINNER*** will require an ungodly amount of grind.....

>>10431600
Volka on the left, Ursula (sic) on the right....

>>10428325

This looks like the only actual good piece of Touhou work I've ever seen

Anyone know if Students of Round on the PSP has the bonus content from the 360 version?

I've found so many on PSP which is great but are there Japanese dungeon crawlers on PC? Preferably ones with really cool art/from the past 4 years

>>10438213
The Generation Xth series

Has anyone played Entaku no Seito The Eternal Legend, Elminage Ibun Ame no Mihashira or Lost Heroes on the PSP? How do they compare to Unchained Blades (which is my first dungeon crawler and I'm loving it)

>>10438226
Which one is the newest? I'm having trouble finding it out

>>10438264
You're kind of sending mixed messages there. What exactly do you want to know about those games? It doesn't sound like you can read moon if Unchained Blades was your first.

>>10438284
Meikyuu Cross Blood

>>10438297
Well I mostly want to play them for the mechanics and the art. All I know about those games are how they look like from the screenshots. I don't know Japanese but I don't need to here.

>>10438297
Er you don't need to understand Japanese games to play Japanese games unless they're visual novels or something. I've played so many games like that, you always get a grasp of the gameplay in a few hours, and guides are there for the finer details.

>>10438322
There are a fair number of people who liked the story in Unchained blades. As for the being able to read part it varies depending on the game.
In general simple stuff like EO or direct Wizardry clones you don't need to know any Japanese, but good luck pulling that off in crawlers that are primarily puzzle/lore based if you can't read Japanese at all.

>>10438304
>Meikyuu Cross Blood
Is that on PC? Google tells me it's on 360.

>>10438364
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=search&ca=0_0&filter=0&term=team+muramasa

>>10438370
i thought they had been translated for some reason; thanks

>>10438370
Yeah this is impossible to download

>>10438399
No seeds? I don't think I still have the original files so I can't help there.

>>10438412
Only one and it is not downloading, too bad it looked interesting

http://iwakuraproductions.wordprescom/2013/01/26/generation-xth-codhazard-pc-fan-translation-2/

>>10438437
sounds good!

cj_iwakura is a pretty cool guy too

>>10438443
I hate him. He said bad things about Dungeon Travelers 2.

>>10438425
I tried posting a link multiple times but the site thinks I'm spamming so here are the instructions to find the link.
Google "Meikyuu Cross Blood pc download -360 -xbox -xbox360"
There's a bts.ph link in the results. It has seeders. You're welcome.