/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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>>10375518
>have an actual thread about japanese issues
>it doesn't involve naked animu girls so faggots are mad that I posted almost to the point of mouth-foaming rage

get wrecked, anime sucks dick

>>10375518

delete you're life

It looks better that way. I don't like modern website design.

>>10375507
Because it works.
And it's not only about the design, their whole web know-how is 10 years behind the rest of the world.

Just look at NND, look how shitty the service is compared to YouTube, which is 100% free.

>>10375529

Fuck you and your retarded mother greentext fucker.

Because it's 1.) convenient and 2.) the company who created the site probably didn't want to spend cash on educating their web developers

I'm definetely not a developer myself, but I don't get why so many sites like twitter, tumblr etc. all have to jump on the HTML5 bandwagon so soon

I envy them. They don't have to deal with Web 2.0 social network shit,auto playing music and shitty flash garbage.

>>10375550
>HTML5 bandwagon
It's more about the general ugliness and poor usability than the ``HTML5 bandwagon''.

Thank god most of the world moved past the 'make the entire website out of flash' phase that plagued the early 2000s.

>>10375560
>They don't have to deal with Web 2.0 social network shit

It's starting.

Thank god. Modernism kills me, all the sleek and shiny shit makes me think they are hiding things, which they normally all, behind scripts. Thank you noscript.

No idea, but I think you could make big bucks starting a modern web consulting company over there.

I prefer substance over style.
Hell 4chan looks barely different from how it started (except frames, I guess)
web 2.0 is disgusting

It's fine that way, because HTML5, CSS3, Javashit and all this hipster hyped trash is making me fucking sick.

Those who are bashing HTML5 and CSS3 are obviously not developers and think that they're responsible for what kind of designs are popular at the moment.

Protip: There's barely any HTML5/CSS3 out in the wild right now because people are still using old browsers.

>>10375606
When I see screenshots of a riced out 4chan, I cringe.

>>10375619
You and me both, brother

>>10375615
It's mostly Javascript being a load of crap.

>>10375615
Blind haters are the worst. They are even worse than ricers.

>>10375610
Hurr durr I'm a weaboo fuck!! Look at me!

>>10375541
I hate how you STILL can't skip to parts that haven't loaded yet on NND.

>>10375619
It hurts my eyes looking at vanilla 4chan, as I am in the dark 24/7.

>>10375541
>Because it works.
No it doesn't. Every online store's website like Melonbooks is fucking awful.

>Just look at NND, look how shitty the service is compared to YouTube, which is 100% free.
>youtube
>30 FPS limit
>HD that looks like shit
>constant problems with servers
>shit design
Yeah, I wonder who's the one stuck in the past.

>>10375641
Oh and
>NND
>find videos by tags

>youtube
>find videos by what google wants you to find

>>10375641
you sure told him!! ;)

>>10375640
tomorrow instead of burichan or whatever your using. That isn't web2.0; you can still keep it real.

>Web 1.0

Why is 4chan's design stuck in the 90's?

Most of the time it's not that bad, and doesn't bother me. But niconico is godawful.

>>10375619
Are you afraid of having it look good?

>>10375663
>darkasmysoul theme
>gore&edgy logo
>barely legibile grey on grey text

>>10375663
It's like giving someone a knife so he can stab you.

>>10375663
Gross.

Is NND as fucking retarded as Youtube when it comes to DRM?

>>10375658
I don't like Tomorrow's pallete. I prefer to have total control of the colors if it's not vanilla.

What will the new Internets be and when? I want it to totally look like shit so only nerds and NEETs would bother to use it while kids and normals destroy this old and busted thing.

>>10375670
>yellow text
>>>420chan

hello /jp/!!!!!!!!!!!! 4CHIN RICE THREAD !!!!!!!!! ^_^

>>10375678
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7qTHbOEiDY

>>10375670
Cute icon.

TOMORROW STRONK

I tried using 4chan SS with a nice dark theme, but I just couldn't get used to it.

>>10375663
>>10375670
>>10375680
What's the point of even posting this shit. All you did was take some script that lots of people use and then change some of the settings. You didn't do anything special and it looks the same as everyone else's shit.

>>10375679
>League of Legends

>>10375688
Exactly. I posted mine as a joke, poking fun at that other anon for disliking rice shit.
I do genuinely enjoy the format, however.

>>10375688
What's the point of anything? I just like how it looks.

>>10375670
>>10375663

I don't know what you weebs are on about. Dark Minimal works just fine.

Are people posting themes they've made or something?

>>10375691
LoL fucking rules. Shut the fuck up.

>>10375703
No, it's just pre-built themes with minimal adjustments on personal preference.

My only problem with Oneechan is that it's slow. I think this might be a problem with my browser. It's just that I have a theme I really, really like for Firefox, but the creator's new versions for subsequent releases look ugly, so I sacrifice speed to get better aesthetics.

>>10375703
I actually did use the theme you have for a long time, but I just got bored and decided to try something else. It's a pre-made theme that allows for some personal adjustments.
There really isn't anything wrong with using dark minimal though, since it's a decent theme for people who sit around in dark rooms like I do.

>>10375706
lmfao babby game for total babbies like urself
get some skill and play HoN or DotA2, faglord

>>10375592
Erase your existence, jerk.

>>10375706
>>10375711
Play a real game for men like Mahjog and not shit MMORPGs.

>>10375627
lol fuckin' nerd

>>10375719
weeb shit

>>10375723
Say that to my face, not online and see what happens.

>>10375703
That's not minimal at all. links2 is by default minimal, but it doesn't make sense to use it with 4chan.

2.0 was designed by a bunch of gays.
while 1.0 was designed by actual nerds. nerds still rule over the internet in japan. 2.0 actually makes the internet fucking slow. thats why japan has the fastest internet in the world.

Web 1.0 > web 2.0

Give me efficient and clean web pages over some disgusting bloated web 2.0 shit any time of the day

>>10375743
I know you're just pretending to be retarded, but most nerds are also gays.

aruaru

1.0 had actual depth to it, the internet was a lot deeper and had personal made websites. you could actually have fun surfing the net and finding new and exciting pages. now the internet is so small its boring. plus web designs where cooler with animated gifs and music, its like we went backwards. do we have music and gifs on web pages now? no we don't.

>>10375754
Deep web. There you have your shitty 90's blogs.

>>10375747
no im serious, web designers are now all gay lords. thats why everything is all social this and that and everything has to look "pretty".

Web 2.0 is very inefficient and looks like horrible in comparison to web 1.0.

>>10375747
At least HE is pretending.

>>10375756
Because kids raided the Internets in 2006-2007, that's why someone has to create the alternative of it.

What is usenet? Does nerd culture exist there? Does nerd subculture exist at all?

>>10375747

Why would that be?

I hate non-burichan themes.

The only CSS3 stuff that's in actual use nowadays is all rules that have been around for a good while, like border-radius, box-shadow, text-overflow, rgba values and so on. I don't even know what people are complaining about HTML5, it's not like the semantics got worse or that web storage or the websocket stuff are bad things. I can only guess they're thinking html5 = canvas which still makes no sense since canvas has been used for basically nothing but experimental games and apps so far.

Either that or they just liked the old crazy doctype declarations better for nostalgia's sake.

>>10375641
>30 FPS limit
>HD that looks like shit
>constant problems with servers
>shit design
This is describing NND, right?

>>10375792
nice font dude

>>10375641
>Yeah, I wonder who's the one stuck in the past.
NND has bloated flash player. No seeking. And you need to pay to upload anything that isn't webcam quality.

>>10375859
I wonder how you came to that conclusion, seeing how it features none of those things .

>>10375860
It's the default font when you have Japanese System Date format. I do not know how to change it.

Why do underlined words with ads keep showing up on /jp/? Have the jews hacked into my computer?

>>10375866
>30 FPS limit
Nobody cares, you need to pay to upload non-ghetto quality.

>HD that looks like shit
You need to pay if you want more than 480p. There's a filesize limit, a format restriction and a bitrate limit.

>>10375874
Firefox?
Options > Content > Fonts & Colors > Advanced > Fonts for: Western

>>10375864
Flash is a bloated piece of shit by default.

>And you need to pay to upload anything that isn't webcam quality.
The default quality is still better than youtube's 720 "HD".

>>10375872
>Nobody cares
Oh you're one of THOSE idiots.

>>10375888
>The default quality is still better than youtube's 720 "HD".

If you actually believe this you are beyond retarded.

>>10375888
>The default quality is still better than youtube's 720 "HD".
No, anon, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to make a 480p, bitrate and filesize limit video look better than 720, or 1080 YouTube allows you to upload for free.

>Oh you're one of THOSE idiots.
Yes, nobody cares because you have to pay to have 1/10th of what YT, vimeo, or any other western service offer.

Stay insane, blind weeb.

>>10375897
You are already beyond retarded by defending Youtube.

b-b-b-b-but nico has s-scrolling ｗｗｗｗｗｗ comments...!

>>10375898
``No, anon, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to make a 480p, bitrate and filesize limit video look better than 720, or 1080 YouTube allows you to upload for free.''
You can make a 720p video out of 10p video, your argument is based on no basis and as such should be disregarded

>>10375885
Thank you.

>>10375914
>your argument is based on no basis

A less awkward way to say this is, ``Your argument is baseless.''

>>10375619
I agree with this. Some people lack taste.

>>10375898
You think youtube has no bitrate limit? You're really fucking stupid, you know that? Youtube's 720 looks like garbage.

>>10375925
If I were you, I should back off now. That is, if you know what is best for you, mind you.

>>10375901
Container limit: avi, mpg, wmv
Free tier: 40MB limit, 600kbps limit
Premium: 100Mb limit.

This is ridiculous.

>>10375936
>100Mb
``le typo''

>>10375934
>I should back off now

You mean, ``I would back off now.''

I think quite a few people ITT are missing the point. The underlying technologies don't matter. Save a few bad decisions, HTML5 is pretty lean compared to HTML 4.01 and XHTML.

The problem is that Japanese sites are loaded with images, spacer GIFs, Flash, cool free DHTML scripts, and fixed-width bullshite that should have died in the 90s. It is not the good part of the 90s Web, it is the bad part.

This is mostly because Japanese sites are largely aimed at the mobile market (mobile browsers have been common there a lot longer than in the West) so sites are generally made to be pixel-perfect to appear at a certain size, which is terrible practice.

In my opinion, the best websites are ones that don't use CSS at all. That might sound like a special snowflake attitude to take, but it's so nice having a page (y'know, like in a book) that I can adjust using my browser stylesheet without having to use per-site userscripts/styles. The Fonts & Colors setting of Web browsers has gone the way of that Windows appearance dialog that let you change the titlebar gradient and stuff.

>>10375945
That's it, you asked for it.

>>10375957
Some games won't work without it.

>>10375874
Why do you have Japanese System Date format? I never had to do anything beyond applocale.

>>10375936
>Container limit: avi, mpg, wmv

Jesus, it really is stuck in the 90s.

>>10375573
How long before they start putting restrictions on what kind of content the users can post? No guro or scat allowed.

>>10375959
As long as they have loli, I'm happy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/14kuzc/modern_japanese_websites_still_look_like_90s/

`'`'`'`'`'`O.o`'`'`'`''`'`'
The demented quote owl is flying!
Get dubs to receive his blessing!

>>10375968
please owl-sama
please dubs

*closes eyes and presses Submit*

>>10375978
quot ?

>>10375936
>I can't read Japanese but I'm going to pretend I do. I'm sure it will work.

>>10375952
>I can adjust using my browser stylesheet
You still can do that even if the site has its own stylesheet.

>>10375959
I can see the announcement now:
"Due to Pixiv's emergence as a global platform, the Terms of Use have been updated to disallow content that may be deemed inappropriate, such as: underage nudity, violent or graphic images, anthropomorphic art, drug use, and homophobia."

>>10375978
誰ＱＵＯＴ？

>>10375962
It also helps with immersion

>>10375978
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA%E8%BA%AB%E6%94%BB%E6%92%83

>>10375979
The problem is that they actually adjust content to fit the stylesheet. Even Web designers who claim to believe in that whole content-presentation paradigm. Most modern sites are difficult to browse without stylesheets or in a line-mode browser, even though it's "just text".

Not to mention some sites require JavaScript to load content.

>>10375991
Took you that long to find the link to Japanese version?

>>10375998
jap isn't hard d00d

>>10375560
>They don't have to deal with Web 2.0 social network shit,auto playing music and shitty flash garbage.
Web2.0 and shitty flash weren't around, sure, but Geocities was full of auto playing music in the 90s.

ATMs with closing times.
FAX machine usage still commonplace.
Shitty old looking websites.

Japan can be very slow to modernize itself on some technologies.

The fact that Japan is stuck in the past is why they come out with geeky stuff. Geeks are also stuck in the past.

>>10376011
dat <bgsound src="cool_free_midi_file.mid" loop="infinite">

>>10375723
Mahjong is Chinese, you dumbass.

>>10376066
By that logic liking anime doesn't make you a weeaboo because Japan didn't invent animation.

>>10375507
Why is your taste in musical instruments stuck in the 90s?

>>10376074
But Japan did invent japanese animation (ANIMU).

>>10375952
>the best websites are ones that don't use CSS at all
You do realize this means a website that looks like a completely unstylized Word document, with Times New Roman and nothing but vertically stacked text blocks, right?

>>10376090
Then they invented Japanese Mahjong.

>>10376066
But the Japanese play it because they're chinaboos. If you're trying to be a chinaboo like them, then you are a weeaboo.

>>10375663
YOU SICK FAT FUCK

>>10376096
Yes? You can change the fonts and colors in your browser's settings, or even write a default stylesheet if you want more control.

I mostly read text on the Web, so I think of it the same way I think of books. All books are set in 12 pt Times/Palatino/whatever and whenever they do something too flashy it's distracting. I guess you can argue the Web is more like a magazine with different style and shit all over the place, but I'm reading for 12 hours a day. I'd rather have uniform serif fonts that are either white-on-black or black-on-white than flashy colors and wacky fonts on every second page I visit.

>>10375993
>The problem is that they actually adjust content to fit the stylesheet.

Hmm, let's see...

>I think quite a few people ITT are missing the point. The underlying technologies don't matter.

Yeah, well.

>>10376190
Change that to "shouldn't" then. What I mean is stuff like weird ordering of content, which sometimes can't be helped.

>>10376111

H-hey, I'm not fat. I'm chubby but my mom says I'm not.

Look how cute and happy she is~

>>10376138
>Yes? You can change the fonts and colors in your browser's settings, or even write a default stylesheet if you want more control.
Certainly you could. I understand that it's just your personal preference, and I'm going to be taking this to an extreme, but just imagining a (literally or symbolically) black-and-white internet like that baffles me. Off the top of my head, any kind of navigation could easily be an utter pain, if you consider things like newssites or blogs. Scrolling down to find the actual information you're looking for among common filler like links and advertisements may become quite a chore when all the text looks the same. Doesn't really matter what color or face your font happens to be.

For books and long articles it'd work well, I imagine, but both are usually better in paper form.

I'm not a terrible designer, but I'd certainly have trouble writing a website that would look good and work well when viewed on Notepad.

Guess I got a bit carried away. "No CSS" just sounded so weird and pointless to me.

Are there any greasemonkey scripts that'll overlay a bunch of scrolling "wwwwwwww" over youtube videos?

>>10376490
It really is just a preference. I don't think all pages should be 72-character-wide plaintext over Gopher. I'm not mad or anything.

Related reading, from a more extremist point of view (and a good example of a CSS-free website):
http://port70.net/webless/

Some similar sites (most have some styling, but not much):
http://c2.com/
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/
http://www.jonnydigital.com/
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
http://lynx.isc.org/
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/future/index.html

These sites all take different approaches to going from page to page, but they're all very readable and easy to navigate.

>>10379278
Oh, and as an aside a lot of sites are starting to add more readable versions. For example, go to http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/08/21/yaeba-japans-toothy-trend/ and you will see they have a "clean reading mode". There are also JavaScript applications like Readable:
http://readable.tastefulwords.com/

Really I just think sites should be like this by default, or at least give me the option to turn off styles and read the content without worrying about its presentation.

>>10375914
(Not the anon you're arguing with)
While this is right, you have to consider that the video quality suffers mostly from retarded uploaders. I can't say which video site is better because I lack a direct comparison, which I'm to lazy to provide. You should also keep in mind that if someone uploads a vid from nnd to youtube, that the vid in question has suffered from several compressions.

>>10379943
It's not right and he's wrong. You can manipulate bit rate/file size very easily.

>>10379943
Understandably so, not every one is able to invest several hours in researching the matter before doing the deed, because, well, that would be asking too much.
In the end, sites doesn't matter, because all the compression and what not is made intentionally whether for saving space, bandwidth or ``premium'' accounts.

>>10375663
Call me new, but how do I get 4chan to look like that?

...please be gentle with me

>>10380786
Why would you want that?

http://userstyles.org/styles/browse/4chan

There's also [Settings] > Custom CSS > [Edit] in the top right. If there isn't a 4chanthemes.org yet, there will be one soon.

>>10380801
Thank you based anon.

>>10375641
Melonbook's site looks fine to me.

http://www.sushi-jiro.jp/

Looks good enough to me

>>10379278
I usually just turn off styles (View > Page Style > No Style) if a page is unreadable or too bright.

Japs can't into web programming because they can't into English.

Is there a good way to set up a dark appchan x?
right now mine looks just a bit different from >>10375680

>>10375755
>Deep web. There you have your shitty 90's blogs.
I'll agree with this statement.