/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Fax machines are still in common use.

>>10279285
>>10279287
The roads are still clean.

>>10279295

thats what japan is all about - shack style buildings surrounded by clean roads

pretty sure you'll be able to get 1gbit fibre in this building and 4G

>If you venture outside the small areas of major cities that have modern office buildings and a few high end residential buildings most buildings in japan are of 3rd world standard built out of paper thin wood and corrugated iron sheets
>if you venture outside the cities

the outside of every city ever.

It's like what those real estate people say, it's not downtrodden, it's picturesque.

>>10279314

>the outside of every city ever.

NY has plenty of large, nice areas that aren't run down for example.

I can't say that about tokyo.

Still better than Detroit

>dannychoo.com

Welcome to asia, loser.

Except for Singapore which was made by autistic OCD town planners.

>>10279354

Chinese cities are nicer, Hong Kong is nicer and even Bangkok doesn't look that bad.

>>10279360

>china
>nicer

Are you fucking kidding?

>>10279360

>Chinese cities are nicer

maybe the ghost towns

>>10279360

China's cities are shitheap, anon. Hong Kong only looks okay because they demolished that giant fetid nest of human scum.

Can't be worse than my motherland.

>>10279367

Guess you haven't been outside your basement much.

Pic is from Shanghai, which is way better than Tokyo.

>>10279399
Who gives a shit about the largest cities when 99.999999% of your country looks like the fourth world?

>>10279399

Been to both.

Tokyo > Shanghai

>>10279360
>Chinese cities

>>10279403

Actually China has developed nicely in the recent years which I can't say about Japan.

I'm not Chinese so I don't know why you're referring to "your country". China is just an example, Tokyo is pretty run down and boring by western standards.

Not previous poster mentioning Chinese cities, but they are somewhat variable.

In general they are actually in very good condition Chinese cities, but at a significant cost. Any areas that are likely to get high public exposure are renovated whether or not the local business wants it to happen. I've been to a shop in China at noon, gone to a course, come back, and the shop had been demolished flat for rebuilding projects. (The owner was now running his shop on the street, with broken fridges full of drinks still - they didn't even let him get his shit out.)

So Chinese cities are in good condition, but your property rights are worse than the spanish. And thats why they are.

Though some side streets can get real shanty fast in Shanghai.

>>10279399
Wow, they have cafes. Holy fucking shit truly Shanghai's the epitome of class.

Yeah Japan is a really horrible place. Don't come here.

>>10279425

>Though some side streets can get real shanty fast in Shanghai.

In China you expect this, but Japan is supposed to be oh so advanced, which it's really not. If it was I'd move there right away but it was just rather disappointing to me. I'd say it's only slightly better than Manila.

lik it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV__D_Ap9MM

It always bothers me how these asian towns have no sidewalks.

>>10279436

see

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>>10279439
That seems more like an exception though.

I've been watching Mordeth13's videos of Taiwan and there even the major cities have no sidewalks.

>>10279436
Every City I went to in China had a sidewalk, except down the really minor streets between each major street.

Also there were bike/motorcycle lanes seperate from the road, which I think is a nice innovation. China really has the luxury of space to make this kind of thing possible in its modern engineered cities. They've had the advantage of learning from every other countries failures in infrastructure first.

>>10279314
Visiting Scandinavia would make your world crumble.

>>10279439

Thats some touristy place. Most of Japan resembles what you see on the long ass train trip from Narita Airport in Tokyo to downtown Tokyo. Shanty style buildings in combination with eastern block style concrete prefab buildings in grey or brown. Pretty depressing.

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>>10279313

I bet these would be populated by Japanese highschool girls who'd be sharing rooms to pay the rent.

10/10 would defnitely live.

>going to japan
>visiting japanese ghetto

>>10279285
This is what a 3rd world standard looks like

every city has a bumtown area. still feel safe surrounded by japanese drunks/homeless though.

>>10279496
Is that Kenichi Smith?

>>10279478
>posting pictures of houses that only 0.000001% of real Japanese can afford
>using arrows that make text green

-- Ian Fleming

Dude you should have watched Higgy and Ghost Hound before. There are indeed industrial and agricultural areas in Japan, it's not all the Tokyo Robot Toilet Museum, you know? Seriously, you can pick this up just watching J-anime.

And do stay out of other countries' actual slums, rural dump villages and homeless colonies, eh? Don't want to find yourself tagged as a terrorist when you try to return home, just because you've been seen slumming with the local crazies over there.

>>10279478

some freshly built small town in the middle of nowhere

>>10279507
I feel somehow tricked...

I recently had the pleasure to look at apartments in Tokyo.

Pro tip: Unless you can afford to pay $2500 for a place per month don't expect something livable.

>>10279515
Look >>10273016

>>10279285
What the fuck. I thought neo tokyo would have spaceships and shit. I was lied to.

Is it wrong that I like how it's not modern? I'd gladly trade my modern home for a house like in the OP picture.

>>10279519
350 dollar a month for 16m square of floor space

Nothing like renting a shoebox.

>>10279547
Well it isn't patched outta rusty scrap and iffy-looking scrapwood/plyboard with junk piled up outside. I mean, seriously, it's like the block in OP pic never heard of house paint, or of ever washing dirt offfa anything ever.

All they need is some dead grass, dayglo plastic and and either a junk car or a sinkhole for the true redneck trifecta.

Someone has never seen rural Britain I see

>>10279519

That place must be in the middle of nowhere and pictures of real estate agents can hardly ever be trusted in any country.

>>10279585
It's in Tokyo, not in the middle of nowhere

>>10279583
rural Britain is no where near this bad.

>>10279285
You choose those picture and knew it.
All of it build about 60 years ago and it maybe pulldown soon, like lost isles of modern town.
You knew if camera pan around it,modern buildings around there.
Why do you acting that?

Godawful broken "quick reply" box, fuck me I ought to just turn it off already.

Ahem.

Wait, what was I going to post?

Epic thread is epic, thanks op, thanks janitor.

>>10279638
butthurt

>>10279644

Epic.

>>10279594

Tokyo is a huge urban sprawl that extends to areas that are a 45min train ride away.

>>10279619

Not really, spend some time going through tokyo via google maps street view. You'll see that most of tokyo is not very modern.

>>10279296
We can looking around by google map street view.

>>10279680
and adress is here.
Why 4chan system geocoding detect spam??
You can sightseeing gotanda area in tokyo by google.

>>10279680

I don't see much of an improvement there.

>>10279675
and you looking with? lol

>>10279687
Yes, looks like 3rd world

So there's inequality in a capitalist country? Color me surprised.

>This entire thread

>>10279399
Nice job going to a tourist web site and choosing the picture they want you to see.

>>10279707
Grapes are bad for dogs.

>>10279701

But the shanty shack buildings are exactly what I love about japan. They are literally the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I can't be the only one who thinks it looks amazing.

>>10279709
A fox is closer to a cat I think

>>10279716

You'd love Brazil

>>10279509
I kind of agree. Loads of animes talk about the difference between the big cities and everywhere else and often include a character that moves from a crappy place to a place like Tokyo starting a new life. I'm not saying that animes are an accurate representation of real Japan life but it does cause the stereotype of an amazingly advanced civilisation into doubt.

>>10279720
It's not.

>>10279716
You must love Mexico and Brazil.

>>10279716
You must love Bolivia, Mexico and Brazil.

>>10279741
The whole world's his oyster

>>10279734
Don't we have the small town trope in the west as well.

>>10279425
>but your property rights are worse than the spanish
What?

>>10279430
>it's only slightly better than Manila.
Now you can't be serious.

OP, get on my level. I live in that type of area and I'm in friggin' Kansas. Heck, even Japan's crappy parts of town look better than mine, and probably get better internet.

3rd world standards my butt, more like EVERY TYPICAL AREA OUTSIDE OF A MAJOR CITY. The lower class has to go somewhere, and I am very familiar with that.

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>>10279313
These all look like post war 50s or 60s buildings. The fact that they are still up is amazing. I know in my city, Norfolk VA, we have fair share of buildings like this. I think most cities in the developed world do. Detroit is a good a example of this.

>>10279417
How much did they have to fuck up that this happened?

I thought the US was a first world country? I guess not.

there are properties in London, England built in the 1800s selling for over five million USD. some of which aren't very suitable for the climate or current technology.

>>10279783
No one who has ever been there would claim that it is.

>>10279772
Terrible building standards. Its just that simple.

>People actually though Tokyo represents Japan
>Shanghai or Hong Kong representing China

Every country has a mass of shitty towns. Just don't go to them.

>>10279800
>Just don't go to them.
Don't tell me what to do.

>>10279285

Well, that's just you and your fucking naive presumptions. Kill your fucking self out of /jp/, OP.

I'm surprised this has gotten a lot of replies, well mostly due to you samefagging.

>>10279803
I would highly recommend that you do not go to them, kind sir/mam/loli.

>>10279800
Who are you quoting?

>>10279707
You must be a serious weeaboo or ignorant if you find these pictures somehow amazing or attractive.

Lol. How stupid can you fucking get OP.

You smell like a crossboarder scum anyway.

>>10279825
It's amazing that people are beginning to unironically make posts like this.

>>10279820
Yes, I must be a massive weeaboo to think that Tokyo is a modern city.

>>10279759
>3rd world standards my butt, more like EVERY TYPICAL AREA OUTSIDE OF A MAJOR CITY.
You really want to believe in that, don't you?

>>10279837
"Crossboarder" insult was never meant to be used ironically.
/jp/ pride & purity 4 lyfe.

>>10279837
>>10279850

It's amazing how stupid people can be.

Just one anti-sage can break 1000 sages

>>10279865
You can tell he's deadly serious because you used the word "lyfe."

>>10279837
I think >>10279825 is either very new or being ironic.

>>10279875
But sage does nothing nor it is offensive.

God, I hate comiket seasons.

>>10279887
anti-sage again

>>10279875
But it can't break my japanese spirit.

>>10279891
Sure it only happens in comiket seasons

>>10279699
>Yes, looks like 3rd world
So,here is NW100ft

>>10279898
Why are you bumping an off-topic thread? There's no need to since it's a slow board.

>>10279898

nokosage you fucking fags

It's not poverty, it's wabisabi.

>>10279891
Just go play in the new material and ignore shitty threads like these.

>>10279905
>Japanese architecture thread
>Offtopic on /jp/

Let me guess, you're one of the retards who are pushing this to be DA TOOHOO ONLY BOARD?

>>10279898
stop bumping if you have nothing to contribute

>>10279699
NW200ft

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>>10279913
> 3. Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies
>off-topic replies

>>10279699
NW400ft
oops! into the park.

>>10279909
I think there are a lot of niggars there waiting someone to rob and rape

>>10279699
NW600ft
nearly meguro station

>>10279759
>3rd world standards my butt, more like EVERY TYPICAL AREA OUTSIDE OF A MAJOR CITY.
"He who knows happiness does wisely when he conceals it"
-- an old proverb from a certain corner of the world

>>10279699
NW800ft
front of meguro station.

I know... I've seen plenty of live avtion movies from both Japan and South Korea, and I find it hard to believe these movies are not from the 1500s.

>>10279606

I take it you've never been to yorkshire

Are there some kind of restrictive laws that prevent the dilapidated wood shacks from being demolished or redeveloped?

I would assume the drab concrete buildings were put up after earthquake-resistant building codes were created. Western houses built from 2x4 frames and drywall aren't exactly disaster-proof.

>>10279935

it costs MONEY to demolish a building, and EVEN MORE to redevelop it, and then the chunk of money needed for the inhabitants to reside in a hotel until it's done.

>>10279800
If in this post, your are refering to:
>>10279425
Shanghai is one place I went, for a few days. Spent most of my time in Nanjing and Wuhan, which all three are quite different places. None the less, general standard was good.

Actually I'd probably say Wuhan was the best place. It had generally middle class feel about the whole place and wasn't built to cater to tourists, so you know you aren't getting a big facade like you are in Shanghai or Nanjing with the flatten it all and rebuild mentality. Although, its probably mostly newer than either of those places, since its the nearest place to the Three Gorges Dam and probably developed for the workers. Great road system, pavements everywhere, fair prices for everything - good place. Plus the scenery is just amazing around there.

Motel had shit bedsheets though. Next time I should actually consider bringing my own.

What kind of people live in the Japanese "hood"?

Are they poor and stupid people who have 50 kids that collect Japanese welfare? Or are they just regular hard working people who live in shitty houses and drive shitty cars and work at shitty jobs who play the lottery every day?

>>10279930

Lordy the hills. I went to huddersfield once. My brakes failed and nearly went off one. avoided by crashing on purpose.

Trailer park resident here.

I wish I lived somewhere that nice ;_;

>>10279935
No, but Japanese aren't that into remodeling just because they want a bigger house.

>>10279947
The level of development in China's larger (non-factory) cities is actually quite good, and there are dozens of those. The development is very uneven even between larger and smaller cities, though.

This is a real 3rd world country. Not some old building.
http://youtu.be/ZRuSS0iiFyo?t=12m44s

>>10279946
It would be a nice boost for the economy. Rebuilding the entire infrastructure was part of the reason they were able to become such a strong economic power in the 70s.

>>10279483
This is where I stayed for 10 years before coming to America.

I found that hong kong offers what tokyo didn't provide for me at all.

A city of huge skyscrapers with plenty of good local restaurants that owners won't kick you out of because you aren't japanese and generally a good balance between new and old.

>>10279285
The roads are super clean. You won't have to worry about crime and I bet it isn't too noisy there. If there isn't heater than buy blankets and coal burners. If it's too hot then be less fat.

>>10279966
Why are only some of the balconies fenced in?

>>10279981
Or rather: why are some of the balconies fenced in?

>>10279981
For security. All the windows in that building also have prison bars on them for that reason.

>>10279981
Houses with children?

>>10279966
How do you keep your cars from being stolen if the apartments require so much security?

>>10279990
Not everyone can afford the fence.

>>10279957

>Are they poor and stupid people who have 50 kids that collect Japanese welfare? Or are they just regular hard working people who live in shitty houses and drive shitty cars and work at shitty jobs who play the lottery every day?

A large amount of japanese people work contractor jobs without job security and very low pay. The welfare payments are enough for some food if you're homeless but you won't be able to rent a place with that kind of money (~30.000Yen a month if I recall that right). Japan is very anti welfare.

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Those buildings are seriously gorgeous.

>>10279995
lol

>>10279998
Most people don't want to steal cars because the registration and license plate makes them easy to track down. Most people would just smash a window and steal the radio.

>>10279998
Most of the people don't have cars and the ones who do have cars have shitty cars from a decade before that aint worth anything. But if you do bring an expensive car for some reason you can pay the malams to look after it.

>>10279966

I thought LA was in America

>>10279996
Then how the hell do the Japanese trailer park dwellers live? They're a "first world" country, they have to have some sort of government handouts for the poor and uneducated people in their country. There has to be section 8 housing, food stamps, and Abe-phones that they give to people. If you're poor and stupid in a first world nation there's going to be a whole host of social programs which you can utilize.

>>10280019
The streets are pretty clean, aren't they?

>>10280019
>If you're poor and stupid
I don't like how you imply that poverty and stupidity go hand in hand.

>>10280014
Tires, gas, and electronics are always worth something.

>>10280036
They do, if you live in a first world country.

>>10280004
A little sanding and paint and it'd look amazing, just looks neglected. That crooked board in the OP annoys me though.

>>10280019
>and uneducated

>>10280019

no public housing and food stamps as in the US, just a tiny bit of money that'll allow you to buy some food when you're homeless, so you don't have to resort to begging

>>10279314

Scandinavian countries have smaller populations than some cities in Asia.

>>10280049
They could just be of average intelligence but lazy, or just been dealt a shit hand in life (medical problems, third-world refugee, etc).

>>10279360

Confirmed for shitty nationalistic troll.

>>10280036
They do, smart people get rich from their creations. Stupid people aren't sharp enough to make something new that everyone wants.

>>10280058
I'm pretty sure that niggers and muslims don't die from hunger in Sweden.

>>10280058
Being of average intelligence is the same as being stupid. Smart people are more intelligent than everyone else.

>>10280063
I feel like Sweden draws its poverty line way high.

>>10280036
It does though. Poor people in first world countries generally make stupid choices which then leads to a cycle of more stupid choices and more poverty. Their litters of kids grow up in poverty, don't graduate high school, knock some girl up at 16, and the cycle of poverty continues as they struggle to work in shitty minimum wage jobs. Being dumb and poor is just a fact of life. Sure there are outliers, but as a rule of thumb, the less educated you are...the poorer you are.

>>10280050
>Proportion of HS grads enrolled in college 38%

>>10280072
>Implying HS isn't enough to perform most jobs

No excuses for poverty.

>>10280072
The American idea that everybody should go to college makes little to no economic sense, but everybody gets behind the campaign anyway because it sounds pleasant.

>>10279975
wow, I don't want even to imagine how stupid you acted to be kicked of a Japanese restaurant.

>>10280080
Well, it's not like there are any factory jobs in America.

Mitt Romney sent them all to China.

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>>10280074
Nobody learn anything in HS

>>10280087
That's just because you can hire half a Chinese factory for the price of three Americans. All things considered US manufacturing isn't doing nearly as bad as it could be.

>>10280070
>less educated you are...the poorer you are.
Unless you went into debt to pay for college. In that case, stupid people who immediately entered the work force at graduation have more money than a person whose only job qualification is a piece of sheepskin.

>>10280081
A quick aside : even people who believe that they understand japanese to a significant degree can and do fall under the umbrella of “bad translators” offering a full critique of their actions and misconceptions is beyond the scope of this post, however, so you will refrain… broaching such a subject is likely to incite blood riots targeted generally at you as well.

>>10280093
Judging it by new college grads and people who worked in retail for 4 years instead of college is a poor way to judge it. Check the average 40 year old who has a college degree versus the one who has a HS diploma or a GED. There is a much larger disparity.

>>10280096
You sound like you have spent too much time on /lit/. That being said, you usually have to act like an idiot to be thrown out of a restaurant. They don't just do it on sight.

>>10280089
You don't need any prior education to do most jobs. We could give most of them to eight year olds if it wasn't for labor laws. Modern jobs are 50% automated and 50% paperwork.

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>>10279793
I'd like to interject.
That specific case doesn't look like "terrible building standard" in the traditional sense, where corners are cut in the consideration for cost.
It looks like a case of failing (miserably) to properly assess the ground around the foundation - think tower of pisa except on steroids, resulting in leaning and collapse far faster than any possible response.
If anything I'm guessing they must've used a lot of reinforced concrete if the building hasn't visibly cracked from turning over and collapsing.

>>10280081

Actually I didn't get kicked out, I was just not served in a few restaurants. Maybe because they assumed that I can't read / speak japanese, but that's just an awful attitude I have never had anywhere else.

>>10280110
For some reason, probably more construction, they decided to take a whole lot of earth out of the ground in the vicinity of the building, and that caused the earth under it to collapse.

>>10280116
Tell me exactly how it went, and I'll tell you what you did wrong.

>>10280067
A Finn who lives alone and earns less than 1150e/month is officially poor (the limit is higher for families). In 2008, 13,2% of the population fitted the criteria. Sweden has traditionally been slightly more affluent.

>>10280100
A minimum wage job is more than enough to have a comfortable life if you are tight with your money. College students, on the other hand, have drastic hills and valleys where they are dirt poor at one time in their life and rich at another. I prefer stability. Plus, a college student who never gets a job and works minimum wage throughout their life is worse off. Compare the average 40 year old art school graduate to someone who never went to college, for example.

>>10280116
>I was just not served in a few restaurants
Beta as fuck

>>10280120
sometimes I wonder what the fuck they teach those kids in chinese universities.

>>10280127
A college student who doesn't have a job must have picked an atrocious degree.

>>10280130
It's more probable that they failed to consult a civil engineer at all before making the earthmoving decision. A lot of China is basically people with no formal education doing stuff and usually it works.

>>10280137

There's a lot of making shit up as you go along with older generation chinese. Eventually, after several decades and a few (major) mistakes you learn what works and what doesn't.

>>10280137

>A lot of China is basically people with no formal education doing stuff and usually it works.

Not really, however everything in China is pretty much a sloppy job in one way or another. Everything is supposed to get done quick and to do this major issues are often ignored.

>>10280133
Any non-STEM degree. Possibly some of the STEM fields, too. Going to college doesn't guarantee employment and therefore puts you into debt with no way of paying it off.

Wow this thread is full of doctorates in Chinese society.

Want to move to The Netherlands. I basically have to do it illegally then...
>You want to relocate to The Netherlands for employment, you're higly skilled and under 30 years of age. An employer can arrange a Work Permit for you if your skills and experience are relatively unique and the salary level will be above € 37.575,- (Skilled Migrant status). This is usually only the case if you have a higher educational level (BA/Bsc minimum), some years of work experience and a specialization in for example IT, engineering or science. If so, we can assist you, but it will be a bit harder to find employers willing to go through the necessary procedures.
fuck you too

>>10280167
Don't go there - their language is ugly.

>>10280176
But the country is beautiful.

>>10280185
It's of no use if one of them appears out of nowhere and starts speaking!

>>10280104
You do need a level of critical thinking, communication skills and other attributes to work. The idea is that HS provides you with those and college reinforces that.

>>10280190
the majority of dutch people i've encountered in the netherlands and elsewhere all spoke english very well. apparently this is down to english movies being subbed and not dubbed.

>>10280167
You could just get Swedish citizenship first and then move to the Netherlands.

>>10280197
All a college degree says is "I went through a ton of bullshit, so I can go through yours too"

>>10280206
Is that easy?

What are we talking about again?

>>10280211
how brown are you?

>>10280211
If you are black or a Muslim.

>>10280216
Uh, I'm a US citizen with all german blood.

People like OP is the kind of people who don't even learn how to handwrite kanji.

>>10280222
>learn how to handwrite kanji.
Enjoy wasting you time with something so useless.

>>10280222
Handwriting kanji is hard. The japs do it because they were taught from day 1.

>>10280224
how eligible are you for german passport?

>without central heating
This is a sign of civilization in a subtropical country like Japan.

>>10280207
So does a previous job on your work resume. Especially if they recommend you.

>>10280197
>The idea is that HS provides you with those and college reinforces that.
Now that's an interesting way to see it. Usually people say that high school merely provides some base knowledge and guides the unsuitable elsewhere.

>>10280229
It isn't.
If you learn how to write 10 radicals you can write almost every kanji.

>>10280197
Not really, no. It's mindless paperwork.

>>10280230
Not eligible? I'm a US citizen.

>>10280204
Yes, but it might be impossible to hear them talking to each other.

>>10280244
were your parents born in germany?

>>10280240
The fact of the matter is, you can do over 90% of jobs without a college degree.

>>10280238

>This is a sign of civilization in a subtropical country like Japan.

Has never been to Japan. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter as in western europe.

>>10280250
No, they immigrated in the 1920s silly.

>>10280167
cant you just go uni there?

>>10280240
The base knowledge is useless with the exception of mathmatics and language. But the other things you learn like being on time, being professional, common adult discourse and interpersonal relationship helps a lot.

>>10280252
Of course you can. You can even perform surgery or lead a country without any education at all, although results may vary.

>>10280256
they had to emigrate from somewhere. where were your parents born?

>>10280263
You can successfully do 90% of jobs without a college degree.

Will the japs treat me like a god when I show them my college diploma?

>>10280224

If you can prove German heritage you might be eligible for citizenship. There are lots of Russians in Germany that lived on ex German territory that was given to Russian after WW2. They were then re-located to random shitty parts of Russia. They barely speak any German but got citizenship based on heritage.

>>10280269
No don't worry about it, both my parents were born in the US, I just happen to have all German blood.

>>10280282
they will make you relearn everything from scratch. the first five years will be spent clearing the pencil shavings from someone's desk.

>>10280262
What about chemistry, physics, history, laws, psychology, philosophy and all the voluntary classes that directly support your future degree?

>>10280282
They'd probably treat you like a creepy gaijin.

>>10279946
>wanting to redevelop a lower-income area
>hey, if I'm buying the land anyway, and it's so favourably located, why the fuck not build middle- or high-income housings?
>do that
>find out thousands of other re developers acting according to your grand plan did the same
>over saturation
>bubble
>late 80s all over again bitch

>>10280316
Sorry meant >>10279965

>>10280270
You're right. Hitler managed to become a famous reichskanzler even though he didn't get to art school.

>>10280103

You would be suprised. A friend of mine nearly got his ass handed to him by a chef for putting soy sauce on rice in Japan. He was lucky enough to have a Japanese host who ironed out the situation. The chef was absolutely livid that anyone would put sauce on his rice.

>>10280167
Indeed, a high tech job is the way in. I've applied to one there and hope I get it.
>>10280204
Because watching subbed anime has helped us all learn japanese... lol

Its more to do with them having an international outlook. Dutch people tend to know many langauges, not just english. Incredible people.

>>10280255
I didn't imply that it isn't cold in winter. The lack of central heating is more relevant for spring/fall, where it really isn't needed as much but wastes a ton of energy compared to switching on a heater for a few minutes.

>>10280338
i've been watching korean shows raw for the last few years and it's getting there.

>>10280345
can you not turn radiators off and only use what you need?

>be white trash hillbilly in America
>move to japan
>get treated like a king

This is why Japan is a shithole

>>10280346
I can easily separate words and word particles in spoken Japanese, Chinese is even easier, but in Korean it just flows together like a giant mess.
Korean is really guttural and ugly, it reminds me of a mix between Arabic and Russian.

>>10280338
>Its more to do with them having an international outlook. Dutch people tend to know many langauges, not just english. Incredible people.
That's every country in Europe if you count out the most poverty-stricken ones.

>>10280338
It certainly helps with listening comprehension.

>>10280355
learn how to assemble hangul and you'll find that you'll suddenly be able to pick out stuff when spoken. except, that is, when they add non-korean words.

>>10279964
General Buttnaked.

237 replies, all but like 3 of them probable misinformation of some kind, and all but a few are dead serious, witless and humorless.

>>10280425
>General Buttnaked.
'kay, here you go.
http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1356714679960.jpg

>>10280431
There were 241 replies when you posted, fagmaster, and at least nobody used an anime screencap until you arrived.

>>10280431
You could have given us the ones you think aren't misinformation.

>>10280467
>all but like 3 of them probable misinformation

heh

>>10280110
Sometimes it's not even about cutting corners. It's the endemic, institutionalized corruption. Hu was damn right it'll destroy the party if they don't take very serious steps to try and minimize it. It's sad that even if you give something a massive budget that should result in a nice deliverable, you'll still likely get a piece of shit that collapses on itself or explodes thanks to officials or unruly construction companies skimming funds.

>>10279898
/jp/ sages for no reason, it doesn't mean anything.
Also this thread reminds me of the slums from Jet Set Radio, so the houses really are built out of paper. Interesting, I heard it was because of quakes security reasons they made their houses so rebuilding in case of a disaster would cost less.

ITT: Anonymous finds out the ghetto is pretty ghettotastic
More news: Sky blue, scientists say. Carbon fucking miraculous, chemists confirm. /jp/ autistic, says 4chan poster

>>10279947

Shanghai is a rich place in some places as it is a central. My friend lived in Wuhan for few years like a king. An engineer.

-- this is not for you but in general to this thread --

>If you are so fucking huge fans of asia, do you expect that everything is made of fucking plastic like your anime? Apparently. Travel and see. You know it's not too long ago from Cambodia.

Probably most of the people in this thread are 16.

>>10279910
... Rustle?

>>10279496

Yer kind aint welcome 'round these parts, baka.

>>10286707

>gunless_japanese_cowboy.jpg

>>10279354
Singapore is like if someone who like Paradox games or Sim City got control of a town and government.

The government is fucking insane, but I would love to live there. I love the sense of order, and authoritarianism.

>>10280110
>>10280120
Just look at the photos, these buildings barely have foundations.

It's shame they didn't build them closer to each other for a nice domino effect.

>>10286768

It doesn't really feel all that authoritarian when you're there. It's pretty nice/friendly.

>>10279360
Bangkok huh? You have a skewed sense of beauty. Here's some of that lustrous bangkok cityscape .

>>10286821
You can find shitty places in literally every city, even aforementioned Singapore.

>>10286768
I've always wanted to visit Singapore and Hong Kong, because they are proof of how beautiful free market capitalism is.

>>10286828
Show me a garbage ridden slum in Tokyo? Or

perhaps you'd like to look at crime statistics for

Bangkok. Tokyo's poorest neighborhoods look

better than my home town in the states. True,

you can find shit places just about anywhere but

Bangkok is still part of the third world and Tokyo is not.

Dunno why people want to Tokyo. Terrible place with terrible people.

>>10279285
>There is nothing interesting to do either.

There is a reason why escapism is so rampant in Japan. The most popular recreational activity among high school kids is shitty karaoke, ffs.

>>10286882

It only works in Singapore because they don't have 300 million workers who's rights they can abandon. HK is full of poverty.

>>10286882

>>10286947
Both Singapore and Hong Kong have a large population of foreign workers imported from Phillipines etc that work for a shitty wage and have no rights.

>>10286891
>Bangkok is still part of the third world and Tokyo is not.
The point is that pictures of shitty neighbourhoods or pretty buildings mean nothing.

>>10286950
"I hate capitalism!!!"

-posted by anonymous on a website created by capitalism, using his computer with parts that were manufactured by a company, whilst masturbating to imported eroge from Japan,

>>10279289
every modern office uses fax machines though

if you weren't a useless neet you would know that

>>10286988
That's just because they still have them from when they were actually used. Nobody buys new fax machines.

>>10286969
Capitalism is inescapable. Just because I live in a capitalist country doesn't mean I have to swallow the spoon fed bullshit you do.

>>10286968
He said Bangkok looked nicer than Tokyo, a first world country. I showed him the contrary. That is all. Good day friend.

>>10287083
Then move to a communist country.

>>10279289
That's more of a cultural thing though, they prefer to be able to send written letters over emails since it takes more effort thus shows more respect.

>>10287083
People offering goods and services to others in order to make a profit is so evil!

>>10287104

actually it's mainly the exploitation of others labour in order to make a profit for a singular person who does not contribute to the production of the good being profited upon that's evil mate

>>10279295
>>10279348
>>10279351
>all that jap butthurt

What I like the most about Japan is the underdeveloped areas there. The nature, the little towns, the architecture in these photos, everything you're describing. I live in a city of 15 million, and this seems like a nice break from it all.

>>10287099
Most communist countries are shit other than a few parts of China and China's property bubble is going to royally fuck their shit. I'm a pretty complacent communist and I'll be dead in less than 100 years so it's all inconsequential really.

>>10287181

China isn't a communist country.

>>10287181
Of course they are shit, they aren't capitalist.

>>10279466
This. Or Austria. Germanics are the best when it comes to habitation. Except for the English, of course.

>>10287201

English are basically Germanic people anyway.

>>10279530
Yeah, I kinda like it too. It wouldn't be such a big change from Eastern-Europe.

>>10287191
Last I checked it's still communist on paper and the Communist Party of China is still
a.) In power
b.) the largest party in China
c.) the largest political party in the world.
You can bitch about semantics and technicalities all you want. I'm through derailing this thread.

>>10287271
I guess I'd join the communist party if the alternative was being worked to death in a reeducation camp.

>>10287271

Yeah and Nazi party wasn't fascist, they really were socialist. You're the one arguing semantics. Their economic system is not a communist one. Fact.

>>10279399
>basement
ebin.

>>10287300
You're a dense clod. Fact

>>10287361

I'm not the one that thinks communism is just a title. "On paper" North Korea is "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea". I guess you think it's really a democracy too.

I was born in Pasadena, raised in San Gabriel after my mother's divorce. When she remarried a college professor after she worked there as a secretary and we moved to the central valley of California. There's something to be said about living somewhere where you can walk out of your door without being afraid.

Later on I moved with some friends out to North Carolina to sell home security systems. I couldn't fucking believe living conditions out there. This coming from a guy who grew up in neighborhoods of LA you wouldn't want to drive through very fast. Holy shit, there's houses, and a lot of them, that would make you shit your pants.

This thread is fucking stupid.

Also, this thread is now about Jews.

>>10286937
The most popular recreational activity for me in high school was going to the internet cafe with my neckbearded friends and playing Starcraft, Age of Empires 2, Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 2, Battlefield 1942, the Lord of the Rings RTS games and DotA.

I'll take Japan over it any day.

>>10287505
I don't like Arabs because they have a backwards religion.

>>10287422
From the CIA factbook. Government type: Communist State.

and one of only five remaining Communist states in the world. - The world atlas

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/cn.htm

It's a shame I had to look this up for you only to make you look like a complete tard.

ProTip: Do some research next time and save yourself the embarrassment.

Why is Mao so kawaii?

>>10287522

That's a wee tautology mate. Yet, I agree, Christians have been pushed towards modernity, while Moslems clutch onto their Holy Book as though they needed it to walk out of their caves. Perhaps this can be attributed to the Qu'ran being considered the direct word of God, whereas the Bible is somewhat fable-istic.

>>10287531
Bloomers do fit Mao.

>>10287522
What about Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs (Mizrahim)

>>10287556
I don't know what those are like, but most Arabs are disgusting, dirty assholes because they grew up in an Islamic country. For example, they are surrounded by misogyny and poor hygiene standards, so it is rare for them to not pick up these bad qualities.

Can't we just get past our differences, all hold hands and dance in peace?

>>10287571
>misogyny
My sides escaped earth's orbit. You're on /jp/.

>>10287531
I like the 大民國 Mao better

>>10287533

Your sources are something a child would look up were they doing a grade school project. It's a little more complex than that I'm afraid. No-one with any understanding of economics could agree with that.

I'm tempted to assume that you're trolling, such is the stupidity of your commentary.

Here's some research I did just now, 1 second on Google for one of many articles stating my case:

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-08-14/commentary/33183905_1_economic-war-capitalism-china

>>10287615
And you’re not on /v/.

Yeah Japan is pretty much a shithole outside of large cities and resort, tourist-type areas. Even living standards in Tokyo aren't that great, unless you enjoy living in a little box.

>>10287634
I refused to say the pledge when I was in high school. I had one teacher who would force everyone to stand up, though, but he couldn't make us say it of course.

>>10287634
Sometimes when I was a kid I would intentionally cock up the pledge

Then the teacher would retaliate by making everyone say it again so I put a snake in her desk

>>10287634
Look at those good little Zionists in the background. "One nation under YHWH"

>>10287619
Using insults to put down my sources doesn't invalidate them. I simply stated that China and by extension China's government were communist. Which they are. I never once mentioned their economy, tard. It takes all of 5 seconds to find out china's economy is rapidly being decentralized. You're defending a point that no one is attacking.

>>10287634
Half of the students don't even know the proper pledge after 12 years anyway.

>I plejaleejence
>Invisible
>One nation underdog

>>10279285
I was also quite astonished by some of the suburb housing. A few boards, sheets of metal and sliding doors, all of which are rusted to hell. Can't begin to imagine how cold they must get in the winter.

>>10279784
So true. I remember walking somewhere around New Gate Cross and there were so many shitty old buildings with single layer windows. Still had a Bentley parked in the driveway.

>>10287191
China has a capitalist economy but communist one party leadership.

>>10287729

Except it inherently can't be communist in anything other than name if the economy is a capitalist one. Not to mention that China is extremely authoritarian bordering on fascist and entirely neglects workers rights. Please inform me which part of China's governmental policy that could even remotely be considered "communist" in ideology.

>>10287787
>communist one party leadership.

^ "N.I. Bukharin and E. Preobrazhensky in The ABC of Communism write "In a communist society there will be no classes. But if there will be no classes, this implies that in communist society there will likewise be no State." See also State and Revolution by Lenin, chapter 5.4 "The Higher Phase of Communist Society"

Sorry mates, but China is in no way a historically legitimate communist country.

>>10287787
>China has a capitalist economy but communist one party leadership.
I wish stupid americans would stop parroting cold-war era US propaganda already. Communism refers to whether factories and farms are owned by the government or privately, not to whether you can vote or not and how fair the elections are.

>>10287802
I'm so glad you asked. Instead of giving you my time I'll try your tactic. I'll let someone else tell it to you.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/02/5_myths_about_the_chinese_communist_party?page=0,0

>>10287847

Actually it doesn't mean that. It means that the means of production are owned collectively by the producers and not a singular entity.

Actual communism is stateless.

>>10287847
Way to go! Is that what the poster in your 6th grade history teachers class says?

>>10287866
A state is basically what you get when you own things collectively.

Yes, you can have a "senate" which has no enforcing power, is made up of volunteer, ran by charitable donations, and issues non-binding guidelines for governance. You could call it a government, but without jointly owned property it would be a non-profit think tank.

In any case, my point is that communism and democracy are orthogonal concepts. People shouldn't use the logic, "USSR was communist, and its democratic government was subverted by corrupt leadership. Therefore, any country that's communist is not democratic."

>>10287864

That article is laughable,

"Indeed, if you benchmark the Chinese Communist Party against a definitional checklist authored by Robert Service, the veteran historian of the Soviet Union, the similarities are remarkable. As with communism in its heyday elsewhere, the party in China has eradicated or emasculated political rivals, eliminated the autonomy of the courts and media, restricted religion and civil society, denigrated rival versions of nationhood, centralized political power, established extensive networks of security police, and dispatched dissidents to labor camps."

This is a description of Stalinism, not communism. It seems like a lot of Americans can't tell the difference between dictatorship and communism.

>>10287908
It's because communism will only ever end up functioning as something like Stalinism, you fucking pinko.

>>10287898

What you're implying is that 'all things' are owned 'collectively' by few people, but this is not the case in communism.

>>10287943
Please do not misuse apostrophes. Emphasis should be indicated by double quotes, and in any case, scare quotes are often regarded as poor style.

>>10287908
China has simply outfitted marxism to work. With some totalitarian elements no doubt. You simply exclaimed that china was too authoritarian to be communist but all government is authoritarian to a greater or lesser extent.

>>10287965

>>10287994
You don't even understand what communism is.

Communism isn't a "form of government"

>>10288000
Please do not use reaction images/image macros in /jp/. It does not fit board culture.

>>10279496
Holy crap that guy looks like a badass.

>>10288014
The fuck am I reading? This board has used reaction images since day 1. Only a few autists started to complain about it in '10

>>10288035
So by your own admission, they got old almost 3 years ago. Also, you used a /co/ image, which is not appropriate at all even if reaction images were acceptable.

The second image you used is all very old and doesn't add anything to your post. Please remove it.

>>10288007
"Hurr durr what's a communist state" - You

>>10288042
You're talking about two different people Sherlock. I posted the first one.

>>10288042
That image is from yotsubato you fucking retard.
Reaction images didn't get old from 2003-2010 and they didn't get old in the last few either.

>>10288045
Just because western popular culture and government rhetoric during the cold war conflated all the negative aspects of USSR with communism, regardless of whether those negative aspects were caused or even related to communism, so that they could use "communism" as an all-purpose "bad guy" label (much like Orwell complained about the word "fascist" was being misused earlier) doesn't make it so.

>>10288070
You still don't know what a communist government is do you? I'm not arguing the etymology of the communist state I'm simply stating that China is a communist state atop a socialist-market or "mixed" economy. Which it undoubtedly is.

>>10288070
How many talking points do you have left? I've got source after source backing up china as a one party communist state.

>>10288133
I have always had only one and you have not said anything to invalidate it. Please be more respectful.

>>10288172
Yes pick the one that suits your argument but doesn't fit a description of China. No one will notice. I'm still waiting for you to show me that china isn't a single party communist state. That's what this entire argument was about and you've still failed to show me otherwise.

>>10288204
That was not very respectful.

>>10288172
I'm not intentionally being rude, there's just this aura of arrogance about you even though you're dead wrong that's irritating as hell. Granted you've been right about a lot of your talking points but not a single one has addressed whether or not China has a communist government

>>10288208
1.) My respect is earned, not bestowed upon you.
2.) If you're looking for respect then I suggest you visit a different website.

>>10288218
I am happy that you did not intend it. You may be confusing me with other poster(s). I only wished to express that it is not always correct to conflate communism with every aspect of a government, I did not explicitly mean only China.

However, I still do not agree that every negative similarity between China and USSR is due to communism and nothing else.

>>10288235
I never made a comparison of the negative aspects of China to those of the USSR. Same as the debate about China's economy earlier. You may be misunderstanding me but I never brought that up. You did. This thread along with this debate is dead. I bid you adieu.

>>10288014
>>10288042

>Also, you used a /co/ image
does it matter?... does it?
>The second image you used is all very old
>doesn't add anything to your post
>Please remove it.
>Please remove it.
>Please remove it.
>Please remove it.
10/10, my head hurts from your stupidity.

>>10287505

Ahh Colombia, its like we're a US state already!
Cant wait to get fat.