/jp/ - Otaku Culture

DO I GET TO CHOP OFF SOME HEADS LIKE UNZAN DID?

There are lots of different kinds. Which do you like best?

>>10276061
If you wanted to be a warrior monk. But I'm pretty sure that you'd be the only one.

>>10276071
I want too

>>10276071
I'll enjoy my uniqueness!

All you have to do is devote the time you currently spend masturbating and shitposting to prayer and meditation.

You'll get to live in seclusion, isolated from this corrupted world.

No vows. Ki pool is kinda stunted but at least I can use magic items now.

Girls can become monks too. Technically they'd be called nuns though.

I am a certified 霊気 practitioner. Ask me anything.

>>10276084
Sounds nice.

>not becoming a Trappist

Saint Benedict seriously hopes that you guys don't do this.

>>10276100
Who is St. Benedict quoting?

If you become a monk you might make an incredible scientific breakthrough in your free time.

>>10276100
Eastern Orthodox monks are best monks.

>>10276131
They're good at making money.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010

>>10276131
Benedict wasn't actually an Orthodox Catholic. He lived some time before the Orthodox/Roman split.

I'm too much of a heretic to be a monk.

>>10276151
Do you mean to say that you're Protestant? Some Protestant sects have monastic communities, sort of.

What's the best country to become a monk in?

>>10276173
No, I'm a apostate Catholic.

>Unemployed
>Lives entirely off begging and charity
>Sits around doing literally nothing their entire life

Monks are nothing but fucking gypsies.

>>10276181
Do you know who else was an apostate Catholic?

Hitler.

You don't want to be like Hitler do you?

>>10276192
>Sits around doing literally nothing their entire life

That's true to an extent now, but it wasn't in the past. Monks used to provide very valuable services such as preserving knowledge, translating books, producing books, etc.

>>10276192
>Unemployed

Uh, no, monks place a lot of emphasis on work.

>Lives entirely off begging and charity

Some do. Others, through working, make their monastic communities self sufficient.

>Sits around doing literally nothing their entire life

Now that's just a mean thing to say.

>>10276192
Monks used to actually be useful though.

>>10276202
>That's true to an extent now

You're forgetting that monks brew the best beers in the world.

>>10276198
It depends, do I get the SS?

>>10276218
picture related

>>10276192
Praying is hard work.

>>10276111
probably the holy spirit or something

>>10276264
that's deep

>>10276202
That's actually the contrary to what monastic life is about. You are supposd to live a sober life dedicated to God and working to sustain yourself.

Hell, the local nuns where I live have a very popular restaurant and an orphanage they provide for with the money they make from the business.

>>10276218
Beer and wines, don't forget about wines.

>>10276289
Champaign

>>10276287
Do Buddhist monks make a point of forming self sufficient communities? It's pretty much the standard with all Catholic monastic groups because that's one of the rules Benedict established, but I'm not as familiar with the mechanics of Eastern monasticism.

>>10276302
Buddhist monks live in the mountains don't they? They'd need to get along when they're all alone together up there.

I thought we were supposed be wizards.

I've already picked my monastery, but I'm probably not going to go through with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariawald

shaving your head is for Oorah murica faggots

>>10276361
we cant all be wizards. it's just the sad truth.

the world needs normals for us to laugh upon.
and monks.
and those people who make anime/vn/ln/dolls/music/onaholes/everything else.

Are beards back in style for monks?

I don't want to be a monk if I have to shave my beard.

Dude I rolled a Hexblade I didn't know we were doing a moralfag game

sure is /tg/ in here

Monks....HA

Tell me more about your monastic aspirations /jp/.

I watched the movie Into Great Silence, which is just raw footage of the daily lives of Carthusian monks. It was really boring at first, but there was a definite rhythym to their lives that was very tranquil and calming. I really enjoyed the movie; it was very relaxing.

Are you going to be a Buddhist monk or a Catholic monk /jp/?

>>10280559
There was this catholic monk who lived in a Buddhist monastery for a while and adopted their attitudes and tried to weave the beliefs together.

>>10280619
I might know who you're talking about. He didn't try to weave Catholicism and Buddhism together, Catholics aren't supposed to do that, this guy just had a lot of appreciation for the eastern ways of thinking.

Is the guy you're talking about a candidate for the Sainthood? Because this guy I'm talking is.

>>10280619
I might know who you're talking about. He didn't try to weave Catholicism and Buddhism together, Catholics aren't supposed to do that, this guy just had a lot of appreciation for the eastern ways of thinking.

Is the guy you're talking about a candidate for the Sainthood? Because this guy I'm talking about is.

>>10276316
some one should say more about this.
otherwise the complete assumption of a brokeback mountain scene can occure

I would consider it. Then I wouldn't have to shave. So how do you become one?

Are there any types of monks that still brew up psychedelic substances?

I want to live with a bunch of monks/shaman and drink ayahuasca with them. We could go on spiritual journeys together.

>>10280703
Contact a monastery. They'd probably prefer that you're a practicing member of their religion first.

>>10280716
To the best of my knowledge Peru is your only option.

>>10280703
>>10280741

You don't have to shave.

I tried out monastery life, there's a monastery near where I live, Benedictine monks. I stayed there for a week. It was relaxing.

Be ready for lots, and lots, and lots of prayer, though. You have a few hours of free time per day. The rest is prayer and community work, whatever that may involve. I did some library work while I was there.

When the trial week was over, when I stepped out, I noticed how peaceful the monastery really was. I could hear myself breathe in there most of the time. Stepped out and got assaulted by the urban noises, horrible. It's worth it staying a little bit just due to how peaceful it is.

Too much prayer in the one I was at, though. It doesn't take much to join, anyway. The vows aren't even that restrictive. Just never look at or think about 3DPD again, and live a life without money. Not in poverty, you just work to sustain the community, not to buy useless shit like a capitalist pig.

It's not bad. I just wish there was less prayer. It would be nice to join a buddhist monastery. I would drop everything for that. I want to become invincible and learn to be completely zen. That's worth any amount of meditation / training.

>>10280825
Buddhists are expected to spend a lot of time in prayer/meditation too. It's necessary to discipline the mind.

>>10280843

I know, but I'd be more comfortable with the prayer / meditation in a Buddhist monastery. They're not so obsessed with deities. 90% of the prayers in the Benedictine monastery were about God in one way or another, the rest were chants in Church Latin that I didn't understand, but I'm sure they also mentioned God.

>>10280859
Hmmmm yes Buddhists are generally non-theistic.

Which, by the way, is totally different from atheism. Keep that in mind in case a trendy white kid "Buddhist" ever tries to tell you that Buddhists are atheists.

For the most part Buddhists don't reject the notion of gods or a God, they just skip over those sorts of questions. I think it has something to do with Buddha's whole "noble silence" deal, although Buddha himself talked about gods all the time, as he was basically a Hindu.

Anyway Buddha refused to answer certain questions his disciples asked him, either because he didn't know the answer or because he thought that his answers would be misunderstood.

For instance, one of Buddha's insights was that the world has always existed, and will always exist, without beginning or end for all of time.

But he stressed that thinking about that wasn't all that important, and doing so would probably just cause confusion. I think that's how most Buddhists deal with questions of the divine.

>>10280893

It's the same way I feel towards it, so that's why I'd prefer a Buddhist monastery. I don't consider / define / label myself an atheist. I think about it, but obviously one can't be sure either way. Questions are fun to think about, but mostly practically irrelevant.

If I was an atheist, I don't think I'd have tried to join a Benedictine monastery.

Do Buddhist monasteries really only exist in the mountains in Tibet and whatnot, by the way?

>>10280925
>Do Buddhist monasteries really only exist in the mountains in Tibet and whatnot, by the way?

No, they exist all over Asia. Especially in parts of South-East Asia, Thailand and whatnot, where all males are supposed to live as monks for a period of time.

And there are Buddhist monasteries in other countries too.

I think the Buddhist nun here >>10276087
is a Canadian woman.

>>10280941

Ah, interesting. I'll look into it.

Would be nice to spend a few years / decades in a Buddhist monastery. I'm getting tired of having to deal with "modern" life. I already more or less live like a monk.

We'll see, we'll see.

Thanks for the info.

>>10280716

While psychdelic experiences can have a religious impact on novices, an experienced buddhist monk recognizes that it's just a substance having it's impact on the mind. No further insights can be gained from it.

>>10276302
>Do Buddhist monks make a point of forming self sufficient communities?

There's an Indian tradition of wandering monks that live off charity, but I imagine a community of monks may be arranged differently.

>>10280968

It's not really a problem becoming a monk in thailand or india visa wise. You should keep some money though in case you change your mind.

>>10276302

Actually they get their food and income through followers in south east asia.

In thailand it's so much food that lots of them are obese.

>>10281021
Ah, tithing.

>>10281006
There are Islamic holy men like that too. There used to be "wandering monks" in Christianity but that was suppressed, because the Benedictine rule says that monks are supposed to be "stable," that is they're supposed to stay in one place.

But I recall reading about a priest who walked through Europe several times throughout his life, surviving on charity. He was summoned to the Vatican a few times over some issue see, and he always insisted on walking all the way there, and then walking back.

go to convention
Monk going around offering books.
He holds them out to me and puts them in my hands
bows
talks for less than a minute
then asks for money
Californian monks are just jews in disguise

>>10281078
Monks need food and monasteries need maintenance. Both require money.

It's the same way with Shinto shrines.

>>10281070
>There used to be "wandering monks" in Christianity but that was suppressed, because the Benedictine rule says that monks are supposed to be "stable," that is they're supposed to stay in one place.

That's only Benedictine monks. That's not the only order that exists. I'm the guy who actually went to a Benedictine monastery, and I asked about all the orders. The Francescan monks still wander. They used to live entirely off of charity, it was forbidden in their order to -ever- touch money in -any- way, so they had to live entirely off of charity. Nowdays, it's not so strict, but they can change monastery, and do at times. They're not "stable" like the Benedictine order. Then there's things like the Cistercian monks that live in enclosed communities, where they basically have houses inside of a secluded area and have a church they all go to for prayer. Then there's the Hermit monks that live in solitude, etc.

There's many orders, only the Benedictine are -never- supposed to change monastery -ever-, no matter what happens.

In fact, part of the trial in the Benedictine monastery is having 1 year where you never even set foot out of the monastery.

>>10280995

>an experienced buddhist monk recognizes that it's just a substance having it's impact on the mind

Psychedelic substances produce results that are comparable to long periods of fasting, intense meditation, or self-flagellation though.

All roads lead to Rome and all that. All spiritual practices are just ways to attain altered states of consciousness, none are really better or worse.

Do Catholic monks still do a lot of academically important work or is that just a thing of the past?

>>10281110
Mendicant Lay Friars >> Monks.

>>10281236

Depends on where you go. The vatican has "science" monks and even has an observatory these days. I forget the name of the order, though.

Buddhist monks, especially Shinto monks, are just lazy.

They shouldn't need to rely so much on charity. Many Christian monasteries manage to be completely self sufficient. They have green houses and beehives and all sorts of stuff, there's absolutely no need for money because they make everything themselves.

>>10281248
That sounds really nice. Do you have any idea about the joining requirements?

>>10281266
>Buddhist monks…are just lazy.

If you seek enlightenment, follow a master potter. If you're a rich lazy fuck go be a monk.

>>10281274

Not entirely sure. Certain orders are harder to get into, I'm sure. For the Benedictine order, you just ask, and they give you a room immediately and you can start your trial, and it can last up to a year (a good thing to remember if you're ever faced with going on the street, monk life is probably better), they feed you too, etc. You just do your share of community work.

You can probably ask around about monasteries in your area, and the abbot of your monastery should have information about other monasteries around you and how to get into them and so on.

>>10281294
Thanks mate. I don't actually know if there is any monasteries in my country. I wonder if some monasteries would take me if I don't properly speak the local language.

>>10281248
The guys with the observatory are the Jesuits. They found and maintain top tier universities and things like observatories all over the place.

Having a doctorate in something is basically a prerequisite for becoming a Jesuit. More than just that actually, it usually takes 10 - 12 years of schooling in total.

And yeah, certain monks still do lots of scholarly work. I'm not sure about monks involved in scientific research but there might be a community like that somewhere.

>>10281294

>you can start your trial

What is the trial like?

Also, do they have Benedictine monasteries in the U.S?

>>10281326

When I was doing my trial, a guy came that didn't speak the local language at all. I spoke both English and the local language so I acted as a translator while I was there. I'm sure it's fine.

>>10281343

Yes, they do. Just do a Google search for "Benedictine monastery in [your state/city]". They have them all over the world, Canada, US, most of Europe, even in Asia and one or two in places like Korea.

>>10281266
Don't be mean. Christian monks can be lazy too.

>>10281343
>Also, do they have Benedictine monasteries in the U.S?

Yes, many. There are still monks and nuns around, you just don't bump into them on the street because they live in seclusion.

Well nuns actually tend to do a lot of social work so I personally have seen a few in public.

What rules do Christian monasteries usually have? Are you allowed to read books other than the bible? I'm assuming things like computers or the internet aren't allowed, but I can deal with that.

Reading nothing but the bible all day every day might get a little mindnumbing though.

>>10281343

Oh, and

>What is the trial like?

You basically do all the things you would usually do as a monk. Except for you don't get to wear the monk robes until you take your vows, which comes after a year or two.

I described what it was like in >>10280825. Lots of prayer, community work, you have a some free time, in my free time I read math books. You can bring a laptop to the monastery, too. They even had internet in mine. So you can browse /jp/ from your monastery in your free time. You have a lot more free time on Saturday, almost the entire day to yourself. On Sunday as well, other than for mass, because you've got to do stuff there. Lots of chanting and prayer, some community work and stuff. Mostly they leave you alone. Very quiet.

>>10281366
>Are you allowed to read books other than the bible?

Of course you can. And they probably have some computers too. Even monks are allowed some time off.

>>10281366

They're pretty liberal, see >>10281366

And I'm in Italy. Which you would think would be the strictest. They told me I could bring a laptop if I wanted, and they had WiFi inside the monastery. You'd just have to walk to the place where you could connect, I wouldn't have been able to reach it from my room.

You can bring in any books you want. Probably not shit like the Anarchist's Cookbook, but I brought a bunch of math and computers books. It was fine. Most monks can have things brought in from out of the monastery, and mine had a pretty extensive library. It mostly had religious material, but also some general books, because it was a general library, as in, free to the public, that's also a way they make money, libraries and so on.

>>10281329
Jesuits still do a lot of research? I know about their role in history but I thought the order had dwindled. Active contribution to the philosophical discussion would be nice too.

>>10281350
Maybe I have some hope then.

>>10281409
>Jesuits still do a lot of research?

Mhmmm. Jesuit universities are some of the best in the world and their resources are all available to Jesuit scholars and scientists.

And the order hasn't really dwindled, it's been the largest and most influential of the religious orders within the Catholic Church for some time.

>>10281475
That is actually surprising. It is weird that I have never saw them mentioned in science news or anything.

>>10281533
Read the institutional affiliations of more journal article authors.

If Jesuits were cool enough for the Kangxi emperor, they’re good enough for me.

Priests do lots of science.

See this guy? He was the first to notice that the universe is expanding, and he formulated the big bang theory, which he referred to by the much less idiotic name of "the hypothesis of the primeval atom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

I actually was a monk for about a year. It's nice, but my anxiety flared up and I left. Everyone should consider doing it for at least a year or two in his life.

>>10281629
My grandfather had him as professor in university.

>>10281629

Gregor Mendel was an abbot and he's considered to be the father of modern genetics.

Monks are pretty cool.

>>10281646
And without Mendel we would have already abandoned the theory of evolution as silly idea. And people still say religious people oppose science.

>>10281679
Or more precisely: Darwin's version of evolution theory.

>>10281632

How can you get anxiety as a monk?

>>10281646
He is the father of modern genetics. His pea plant experiments were the first real scientific study of heredity.

It would have been pretty awesome if his research had gotten any attention during his lifetime, he could have collaborated with Darwin, who was always bothered by not knowing how traits are passed from one generation to another.

I remember reading that his pea plant study first got attention when it was discovered by a group of scientists who were trying to do their own research into heredity but they couldn't make sense of their findings until they found Mendel's writings. He was a genius.

>>10281636
Nice.

>>10282104
He also has stories about how one night they sneaked a cow in their dorm and the landlady didn’t notice until the next day.

College life.

>>10282137
I wish I had enough money for a Catholic university. Damn.

>>10282199
Even though I never finished university, I don’t think smuggling cows upstairs is a standard part of the course. Besides the dorm was private, like most dorms still are here.
Like two years ago the university did some soul searching to see if they wanted to remain a Catholic university and what that meant. In the end they chose to remain one.
They do contribute to things like stem cell research though, so eh.

>>10282246
I understand everyrhing you said in that post man. Keep on keepin' on doing what you're doing. You sound like you're doing the right things.

>>10282246
The Church has no problems with stem cells that weren't sucked out of the brains of fetuses.

>>10282274
Please don’t be sarcastic, it’s rude. I have feelings too.

>>10280741
>>10280716
Peruvian here. No monk would do that, but you can become a chamán. In the worst of cases, there's always Pozuzo.

>>10282281
Hey man, I wasn't being sarcastic.

>>10282286

Do they allow foreigners to join them?

>>10282351
Yeah, but you have to be real with it and Catholic.

>>10276192
So people who don't contribute to this useless society are somehow undesirable?

>>10285259
Yes. Have you been living in a barrel?

>>10285265
No, but it makes no sense to me.

>>10285309
Think about the feelings of the working man. The border between positive inaction and negligence is a shady one.

>>10276055
I don't understand how church gets money. You can actually be priest and your job would just be talk to people, yell at people... Serve, drink coffee... And amazingly you get paid for all of that. It's probably all old people who want good afterlife and spend their money like crazy on church. Just plain stupid. But awesome. Sadly I'm not Christian... Otherwise I'd probably become a priest.
Sweet otaku culture too though.

>>10285265
Yes. What of it?

>>10285424
I bet those skanks are trying to ridicule him.

>>10285309
It makes perfect sense. If you don't contribute to society, whilst living off of it's resources then someone else is going to have to foot your bill and support you at their expense. That's the problem with "welfare queens." Go off into the forest, build a cabin, and become self-sufficient, though, and no one will care.