/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Do you ever think the fact that this thread is very popular means we should split it up into distributed threads (e.g. one per topic) and then people can just post in the ones they like? There's nothing wrong with a thread not hitting 100+ replies, and I think we've taken "condense your threads" too far given that this is 30% of the board's content.

>>10249500
No.

>>10249500
No, then the other /jp/ers will be m-mean to us. And don't these threads usually take like a week to fill up? They've been faster than usual though.

>>10249500
>>10249505
I still wish we had a board for visual novels, but whatever.

>>10249505
Isn't that just because the new batch of the month was released yesterday

>>10249500
Nobody is stopping you from making threads about visual novels outside this thread if you think they can hold enough interest.

>>10249509
Exactly, it's normal for the thread to be quicker during this time of the month.

>>10249500
No, that means there will be more threads for me to hide.

>>10249510
It would be like /vg/'s /vn/ but with even more english-only peasants.

>>10249500
Provisional threads for high-profile releases that requires a lot of plot discussing is enough. When people stay on topic this thread moves quite slowly as it is, it's just off topic shit that makes it fill faster. I think diluting would only result in more off topic replies to artificially fill the threads. Condensed is good.

>>10249500
No, I will not have you infringe on my Touhou thread space.

>>10249500
The one general thread usually suffices. I like this system.

But I wouldn't mind a separate thread for Ourai. Although, that might lure out MILF autist again.

>>10249510
We do have one, it's called /jp/.

/jp/ IS the VN general. The sooner you nerds get this, the better.

>>10249500
It used to be like that. As more people joined, though, VNs became a less popular subject, and was pushed to condense their threads. Now all we have is a VN General were people hold monologues about untranslated VNs (sometimes getting a couple replies) and the VN translation stats thread, where all translated VN discussion goes.

>>10249511
They're instantly flooded by shitposters and otherwise generally ignored. Large part of the reason for it being ignored is the fact that nobody's used to non-general VN threads anymore; I used to frequently check /jp/'s first two pages for VN discussion, but nowadays I no longer do that because all of it is in two threads anyways.

Is there at least a Rewrite thread up currently, actually? Newly-translated VNs are one of the few exceptions, but I haven't seen one yet.

>>10249531
But you people are to mean to post with.

Oh god stop it guys you're going to fill up the thread again.

>>10249529
I'd create one, since the last time for sona nyl (thought it was two years ago) was quite fun and we got some neat discussion.
But yeah
>milf autist

>>10249536
As long as you act like a cute girl, people will be nice to you.

:3

These threads usually have multiple conversations going on at once. "What did you think of X?" followed by "Someone mentioned Y, so I downloaded it and..."
X and Y should have their own threads. These threads are relatively fast and there is nothing wrong with having a small thread. If only two people are interested in a certain game and it gets five replies, so what? At least it's natural and less arbitrary than forcing all your discussions into one 300+ reply thread.

>>10249532
Yeah, to be honest I haven't browsed /jp/'s pages in ages.
I just watch this thread.

>>10249536
Just picture every /jp/er as a 90% tsun tsundere.

This is literally the only thread I read on 4chan.

I wouldn't be against a /vn/ board.

>>10249532
>otherwise generally ignored
Which is why I said, "if you think they can hold enough interest," which new releases should nominally be able to do.

Futaba Channel 1. It's a decent nukige.

>>10249544
What would a /vn/ board be? A board with threads about each series/game?

Great, that's what /jp/ should be. Make it so.

>>10249545
The small threads would get drowned out by touhou spam and fall off the board. If you want to do this, we need a /vn/ board.

>>10249523
Condensed threads have a significantly raised posing barrier. If your post isn't a direct reply to another post or does not contain a detailed analysis of a VN or a route in it, you generally don't post it in the VN General thread. For example, I've been wanting to ask somewhere what the locked routes in Rewrite are (I know Akane, Moon and Terra are locked, any others? How do you unlock them?), but making a simple post just to ask that just feels 'not done' in a thread like the VN General.

>>10249551
but muh touhou

moot should make /th/ - Touhou and /vn/ - Visual Novels boards. People will make threads about specific Touhous and particular eroge, and it will be great.

Then a week later he should merge them together and call it "/jp/".

>>10249552
This is the /vn/ board. If nobody replies to your thread within the 24-48 hours it takes to be pruned, then nobody is interested. You can't force people to care about the same game as you.

>>10249553
I want to discuss popular, translated VNs I never got around to playing until recently, but I feel alienated as fuck.

>>10249560
The problem isn't that people don't care, it's that the people who care won't see the thread, since they only watch the VN General and VNTS threads.

Ended up not picking up anything this month beside a PSP game, been working on my backlog with Harumade Kururu and Kusari. Finally past the opening of Harumade, I had to keep stopping because I'd keep fapping.

>>10249563
But there's a whole thread on /vg/ dedicated to that.

>>10249569
You can put a public service announcement notice in one of those threads. I'm sure nobody will mind a chance to turn /jp/ back into a board for visual novels.

All right enough with the meta discussion already.

I am currently installing Justyxnasty, I usually like whirlpools games.

This is probably a bad time to ask with all the metadiscussion, but just to make sure, the ps2/psp version of Tsuyokiss 2 adds a Mana and Yang route, right?

>>10249553
But there are many of those questions.
And by the way
Chihaya->Shizuru
Kotori->Akane
All 5 routes->moon->terra

>>10249574
To be honest, I'd advise against 2, probably the worst of the bunch.

To be honest I miss the old way before we start condensing the thread into one VN general.

Before, new releases tend to get a couple of threads. I remember fondly the Symphonic Rain/Swan Song/Baldr Sky/Muramasa/Muv Luv threads.
Now you just get a passing remark in this thread, if at all. Newly translated games like Duel Savior doesn't even get a new thread anymore.

>>10249570
Their installer is great, isn't it? I can't believe I just sat there watching it install.

>>10249591
Because most of the translated discussion went to /vg./

>>10249575
Huh? Unless I'm getting your post wrong, that's not right. I finished Chihaya route and it unlocked Akane. Right now I'm wondering whether it's possible to do Lucia route or whether you need to complete for example Shizuru route first.

>>10249584
Yeah I've heard people say that, but I still haven't had enough Kani. Unless her route completely ruins her or something I should be ok.

>>10249592
Yes. I chuckled pretty heartily at it.

>>10249597
Oh yea, nevermind, I always mix them up because same authors. Yes, Chihaya unlocks Akane and Kotori Shizuru.
You can do Lucia whenever you want t, I'd recommend after Shizuru, or her route becomes even worse, since Lucia has some relevant plot that Shizuru's doesn't even bother with.

Rewrite thread: >>10249615

Finished Sayonara wo Oshiete earlier on.

Its core message was rather depressing, if I'm interpreting it correctly. Hitomi built up a world full of people to 'love' and 'save', whereas it was self-love more than anything considering none of them even existed (bar Mutsuki). He formulated these dramatic scenarios like Nozomi having a history of rape and fancied himself as a knight in shining armor saving the princesses... Only to end up destroying them all. You would think that that'd be the point where he'd start facing reality having seemingly shattered the illusions, but unfortunately the ending implied he's only doomed to repeat that cycle, again and again.

It's a pity, really. It conflicted with his affection for Mutsuki, who in a different time and place he could have had something with. Maybe if he weren't so terribly destructive had such a deep loathing of women, or weren't so fixated on this concept of saving others.

>>10249591
White Album 2 had its own big threads even though the general existed.
The only reason there was no thread like this recently is simply because there was no big profile game released this year.

Is the title the problem? Most people seem just to be complaining about not there being translated discussion or being intimidated by people talking about untranslated games, but I thought that's what /vg/ was for.
Should we change the title to untranslated or something?

>>10247859
>>10247809

So once Mikel does his thing no further humans will join me. Curse my autism for trying to get units I really didn't need.
For reference: the first three human units join immediately after you kill enough of them.

>>10249621
Only one, and it died out halfway. I participated in it.

Baldr Sky had like 10 threads+ chains.

>>10249630
No, /vg/ is for Katawa Shoujo, OELVNs and people who just finished Saya no Uta as their first/second/third VN.

>>10249630
Well, it's kind of obvious this thread is for untranslated VNs.

>>10249638
Then why do we get so many people here asking about translations?

https://www.4chan.org/rules#jp2
>translated visual novels are fine on either board.

The creation of /vg/ did nothing to change what we can and can't discuss, besides OELVNs (good riddance).

Don't be put off. Most of /jp/ can't read Japanese and VNs are almost half the reason /jp/ was created.

>>10249642
Filthy crossboarders.

Stop being meta and filling up the thread with worthless shit. Fuck off back to >>>/vg/ if you want to discuss translated VNs. The VN General thread on /jp/ will remain unchanged.

>>10249642
Sometimes I get the feeling that some people still think being redirected to /vg/ is an insult, like how being redirected to /v/ usually is.

More eroge are needed

>>10249654
We mostly discussed translated VNs for three years. Take your misguided elitism to Futaba Channel if English-only posters bother you so much.

>>10249663
Did it become a trainwreck?

>>10249668
>We mostly discussed translated VNs for three years
That's not true.
This thread has always been mostly about untranslated stuff, far before /vg/ was ever created.
But talking about translated VNs has been tolerated if you aren't talking about stuff like KS and shit

>>10249672
I just took that pic from Futaba, I'm too overloaded with eroge to try it any time soon.
A courageous guy around should try it.

>>10249679
You can't be this naive.

Here's the first VN general (named as such) that I could find:
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S3071779

Hell, the most popular post in the thread is
> When will there be something new coming out in english? for weeks /jp/ has been nothing but Sengoku Rance and Umineko.

>>10249685
I would, since I did try MnU back then and like it up till before the bitches routes. But too busy this month.

>>10249663
SHE WAS FUCKING ALRIGHT IN THE TRIAL. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?!
I'm still playing through Justy x Nasty so I haven't gotten around to Kimisora yet.

>>10249685
Well, I'm playing nothing else this month so I might play it. The imouto is pretty cute.

>>10249668
Boo fucking hoo, things change. And I'm not bothered with people discussing translated VNs. If you want to make a change then try to pull it off and see if it takes off or not.

Christ, why did I even reply to this.

I haven't played White Album 2 yet (and won't until I've improved my Japanese a bit), but I was wondering if it has any happy endings. I don't mind some good drama now and then, but if it ends in sadness and depression it just makes me feel bad.

From what I gather there are two main heroines some sub-heroines; how many, if any, of them have an ending where the drama is resolved in a mostly satisfying, non-depressing way?

>>10249694
>Fuck off back to >>>/vg/ if you want to discuss translated VNs.
>I'm not bothered with people discussing translated VNs.

>>10249700
Most endings are happy from one perspective or another. You will suffer in all routes though.

>>10249694
>Christ, why did I even reply to this.

Because you're purposely being awkward to stir drama?

There used to be a translated vn general thread but it died due to lack of interest.

>>10249693
Most of the posts in that thread are about untranslated VNs though
Like I said, talking about translated stuff has always been tolerated but these threads have been made of circlejerk about untranslated VNs since forever

I don't think discussing a game that you read that was translated is the problem, discussing the the translation itself, like when the patch will the released, etc. is annoying though.

The next thread's OP post should be more detailed and should include basic information like every other general thread, which includes information about finding VNs and walkthroughss. It should also include a link to the /vg/ thread.

I think this would ultimately save a lot of non-VN questions.

What's with all the summer-themed stuff thats coming out in the fucking winter months. Someone tell the eroge devs which season we're in.

Playing Chaotic Labyrinth, crawling dungeons, fucking lewd classmates.

Almost finished Alicetale but I hate Fumi too much to play her route.

>>10249707
Suffering along the way is fine for me, just so long as the ending doesn't make me want to kill myself.

>>10249720
I know right, I was hoping for a christmas themed eroge I can read this month. ;_;

/jp/ used to mostly discuss translated VNs, and then for a period it was filled with people bashing their way through VNs with AGTH and Atlas, and now untranslated discussion outnumbers most other things.

>>10249713
Most of that thread is actually about translation progress for some reason.

>>10249728
There's one that may make you want to or not.
Otherwise, aside from IC's ending, it's fine.

>>10249728
I've finished the cc normal end, Koharu true end, and Mari true end so far and they all end on a positive note. I don't think there are any real bad ends in this game.

>>10249742
You haven't read Chiaki yet?
Oh please, post your reactions midway through her true end, you'll know exactly when.

>>10249703
The point being is that the VN General thread on /jp/ will remain unchanged. I do encourage translated VN discussion OUTSIDE this thread however.

Also this will be my last reply because it'll just shit the thread up even further if we were to continue.

>>10249729
I'm playing Meri Chri specifically because it's Christmas themed. Going through Kirara's route right now, and to be honest I think there should be more Christmas and less romance drama and Kirara being a bitch, but you could give it a try if you haven't already. It's on the short side, anyway.

>>10249741
>>10249742
Good to know. I'll probably be fine, then.

>>10249748
I'm reading my way through her route as I'm writing this. I actually really want to just move on to Setsuna right now. Is there any particular reason why there's two ends for Chiaki? Seems like a pain in the ass.

>>10249769
Somewhat of a reason, I suppose.
Chiaki is the best route aside form the two main heroines, really well done in some regards.

Does /a/ have "manga generals"?

Sincere question.

>>10249808
No, I guess the "post one page of a manga to convince others to start reading it" is the most similar thing to a "manga general"

>>10249808
Difficult question, but the simple answer is 'no'.

Some manga get threads, but the few that do get 20~ posts at best. On the other hand, popular manga like TWGOK that get released every week get 500 post threads. The newest Punpun volume is going to get a lot of threads on christmas.

Seems Emilie's chapter will be an actually entertaining spin on Viola and Churchill's story ancient regime girl and revolutionary boy, with Emilie as Churchill.
Also had Neon as maid, that was cute.

>>10249808
I wish moot would release some statistics because one of the problems is that there are a ton of people on /a/ and a good portion of them also read manga while /jp/ is significantly smaller and only a handful of us read VNs. I think condensing VN discussion to just one thread is actually helpful as it keeps that small handful of us together.

>>10249867
I think a lot of people here read VNs, they're just not confident enough to discuss them (or they've ran out of things to say).

Woah what the fuck? I was out for 4 hours and a new thread is up already?
The thread getting this popular can't be a good sign.

Next thread OP should just specify "Untranslated" in the title and write a blurb about encouraging translated discussion outside the thread to avoid all this shit happening again. Use エロゲスレ or something like we did years ago.

>>10249883
During /vg/gate we had an untranslated VN general and a translated VN general. I like that idea. If a game is popular, make a thread for it. Or maybe just do that for all translated games since they're usually going to be more popular anyway.

>>10249843
Those ankles are just too lewd!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znoNQYKoikg
The opening of Suigetsu reminds me of Higurashi for some reason.

>>10249983
The chorus at the beginning and some of the scenes remind me of its first anime op.

I made an FAQ for the OP of these general threads. Tell me if I should add anything.

This thread is for discussing both translated and untranslated Japanese visual novels. Troubleshooting and asking for help is generally tolerated but don't be annoying about it.
Any trouble you have with translation patches and related inquiries should be directed to the VN general in >>>/vg/ since not many of us here keep up with the translation scene.
We can sometimes help you with Japanese but most general Japanese language questions should be directed towards the Japanese daily thread on >>>/a/.

FAQ:

Q: How do I go about finding VNs that I'd be interested in?
A: If you're looking for a specific genre or fetish, vndb.org is a database of VNs with a tag system. It can also rank all VNs by average user rating but it's heavily biased towards translated VNs. If you're looking for VNs that just came out or are coming out, Getchu.com has both rankings based on number of sales and number of pre-orders, which are usually indicative of what people are excited about. You can also search games by company, artist, scenario writer, etc. You can also ask in this thread but you have to be specific as to what you want, not "Hey guys, recommend something good to read."

Continued in next post.

>>10250111

Q: Where do I get VNs in a very legal manner?
A: The first place to check out is sukebei.nyaa.eu for torrents. If that fails you, then Google it with "<Name of VN in Japanese> torrent". If that fails you then try looking it up on Winny, Share, and/or Perfect Dark. If that fails you you can ask in this thread.

Q: Where do I buy VNs?
A: Check out the buyfag thread on >>>/a/.

Q: How do I install this Japanese shit?
A: Set your system locale to Japanese.

Q: How do I get this Japanese shit working?
A: Try changing everything in the Regional Settings in the Control Panel to Japanese. Minori games also require you to change the time zone and system display language to Japanese. If you're using anything other than Ultimate or Enterprise editions, use Vistalizator to do this.

Q: Where do I get 100% complete saves?
A: http://sagaoz.net/savedata/ If that doesn't have it, Google "<VN name in Japanese> セーブデータ".

Q: Where do I find walkthroughs for VNs?
A: Google "<VN name in Japanese> 攻略".

>>10250113
This one is useful if only because it saves me from changing my keyboard to jap to write savedata and walkthrough.

>>10250111
>FAQ
>>>/vg/

>>10250114
Having an FAQ will cut down on spam. It's a fact.

>>10250111
>most general Japanese language questions should be directed towards the Japanese daily thread on >>>/a/.

Add /lang/.

>Where do I get VNs in a very legal manner?

Maybe add Eroge Download or even Fuwanovel. They're newbie-friendly.
You could even add a reference to list.txt (if it's still updated) or the /jp/ FTP, though it might be better expecting people to lurk for that.


Otherwise, good stuff. Please don't be Suigin.

>>10250113
>Minori games
Change this for some, favorite, some nonsugar games require this too.

>>10250130
>to lurk for that
The ftp RARELY gets brought up unless you ask and what you need happens to be in it though.

>>10250123
There isn't much spam usually, these last 2 threads have just been an exception.
Faqs are retarded

>>10250154
FAQs are sensible.
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/faqs/about-faqs

Even though people should lurk, it's useful to have a list of questions and answers (e.g. *for* lurkers).

4chan would be a much better place if everyone read the FAQ and believed the happy picture of 4chan it paints before they dove into the boards.

>>10250159
What I'm saying is that people in this thread don't need such things.
What you had the last 2 threads was just the milf autist and a random faggot trolling.

Having these faqs would just clutter the thread

Why do people dislike the WAB series? Just curious.

>>10250167
We do get new people asking questions, though. Often they make their own threads ("sup guise i just played this epic game called katawa shoujo and...").

This would benefit them, which benefits us because they would stop posting.

Plus it's just nice to have something actually worthwhile in the original posts. The denpa FAQ has been invaluable to me.

>>10250175
If they want their question answered they just go to /vg/ or the weekly release thread.
This thread doesn't have this problem, it moves at a slow steady pace.
What you are trying to do is unneeded.

>>10250111
All against this FAQ. Not to mention, having translated VN discussion in the same thread would just make the thread faster than required.

I like it slow.

>>10250181
I'm not the poster writing the FAQ, I'm just supportive of it.

Like it or not, we are going to get new users. It's worth telling them the ropes.

>>10250186
>translated VN discussion

What does this mean? We can't discuss games that have been translated?

https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S10212511#p10212547_1

Poor Anon.

>>10250192
HAS /jp/ ELITISM GONE TOO FAR?

☐ YES
☐ NO

>>10250192
Sure you can, as long as they're in Japanese. It was just a polite way for saying "Fuck off to /vg/ or create a separate thread for your shit".

>>10250197
One can never have too much elitism.

>>10250111
I think most of these questions are answered in /vg/ thread.
If you want to play untranslated games yet you don't even know how to change the system locale or google walkthrough, I don't think you should be able to play those games in the first place. Any additional questions can be answered in /vg/ thread.
As for the Japanese learning/whining posts, well we can just ignore those or direct them to /a/ Japanese thread.

tl;dr FAQ is unnecessary. With that say can we please stop the meta-discussion or make a separate thread for it? This thread is moving too fast and I want my "one thread every three days" pattern back.

hey guys what if we take half of the reason the board was created

cram it all into one thread

and then alienate two thirds of the users

>>10250210
genius

>>10250169
I don't really see people in these kind of threads talking them down. It's mostly others like the milf guy who thinks the women are 'boring' or are upset that one big breasted woman they like doesn't get fucked.

>>10250202
I'm suggesting at the futility of policing whether an Anon read a VN in Japanese or English. The story stays intact for the most part and no one besides Moogy gives a shit about Japanese prose.

>>10250210
What is stopping people from making separate threads for anything? Threads discussing untranslated VNs aren't going to get anyone besides the people who usually post in this thread, and people that want to talk about Saya or Fate for the millionth time would be better served in /vg/, because they've already been discussed to death here and /vg/ loves beating dead horses.

Okay, I laughed like a retard. Probably because I'm half drunk right now.

S-Stop talking about all this change stuff, my anxiety is flaring up.

>>10250218
I just don't want the thread going too fast. Just make a seperate "Translated VN General" or something, and yeah it'll probably die down because 70% of the people here is only interested in 2hu, and because of the board's reputation being utter shit a influx of new posters is hardly expected.

Or you could take this anon's suggestion >>10250235

>>10250235
This, there isn't some rule that says you can't make a thread about an untranslated or translated thread beside this one. There's no need to officially split up this general or anything, just make a thread if you want to. Hell, if you're worried about people not seeing it then post a link to it in this thread.

Also, whether or not you can technically discuss translated things here, the fact is that now this thread is 99% untranslated VNs. Saying the /vg/ thread is better isn't just a way to eliminate english-only plebeians or something, it's genuinely a better place to discuss them. Bringing up translated things will possibly get you a few replies here, but at the worst someone will start shitting himself over talking about translated VNs. So /vg/ is just a better place to go, the aren't THAT bad.

And about a FAQ, I don't think it's necessary. Things have worked fine like this, we've just had a bad last couple threads.

>>10250235
>What is stopping people from making separate threads for anything?
Because /jp/ is beta as fuck. Shitposting? That's fine. Making a thread about Tsukihime? In 2012? Are you some sort of newfag casual English-only peasant? Get out of /jp/!

>people that want to talk about Saya or Fate for the millionth time would be better served in /vg/, because they've already been discussed to death here
This is a stupid attitude and one of the things ruining /jp/. If I had a penny for every time I saw a post like, "Well, I want to discuss XYZ, but we've already discussed it..." or, "I wish we had XYZ threads again," I could have bought the /jp/ Manor by now.
I've been playing VNs for years, yet I've never played Fate/stay night. I have it downloaded, I just never get around to playing it. What if I want to discuss it? What if other people do too, whether they be old or new? It doesn't stop us discussing Touhou. Not all discussions have to be filling dead air with mindless chatter like /vg/, or constant bumping and the occasional status update like GUST threads. If people aren't interested, they aren't interested. Thread dies, OP moves on, tune in again next week same Bat-time same Bat-channel.

VN threads are for people who study/know Japanese and love reading/practicing their VNs in order to atone their skills in the Japanese language so they can read more VNs, or am i wrong?

>>10250245
There's no point in making a translated vn thread on /jp/ when /vg/ already exists. If you want the thread to move slower, you should be supportive of an FAQ since it will keep people from posting. You just need a line in the beginning heavily suggesting discussions of recent games that have been translated be transferred over to /vg/ since they'll find better company.

>>10250269
You seem insistent that people go to /vg/. I accept your reasoning and it could be a better place, but we shouldn't let external factors like that influence OUR discussion. (Primarily translated) visual novels are one of the main reasons this board exists. There's no need to shoo people to /vg/. If translated VNs are controversial, it's the people creating the controversy that are the problem, not the people trying to discuss them.

This isn't some borderline case like a JRPG company, it's the core of /jp/ mentioned explicitly in the rules.

>>10250288
>You just need a line in the beginning heavily suggesting discussions of recent games that have been translated be transferred over to /vg/ since they'll find better company.

If that's case I'm all for it. As long as you dont mix them together, I don't have a problem with it.

>>10250295
Oh, I don't think people shouldn't be allowed to discuss them here or anything. Hell, just the other day I finished Little Busters in Japanese but was hesitant to post about it here. I just think that you'll get better discussion on /vg/ when it comes to translated VNs, because you may get people who also just finished the game themselves etc., and it seems to me someone always gets angry when something about a translated VN is posted here. Do people really like /jp/ers so much that they'd rather discuss it with us than /vg/ers? T-That's kind of embarrassing...

>>10250278
>Are you some sort of newfag casual English-only peasant? Get out of /jp/!
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen? It's not my problem if people are too anxious to make a thread because they're afraid that people will get mad at them. Again, these people would be better off in /vg/.

>What if I want to discuss it? What if other people do too, whether they be old or new?
Then you can make a thread about it, just like I said. There is nothing in the world stopping you save for your own fear of judgment at the hands of anonymous internet trolls throwing a hissy fit because you're posting something that's out of style. My point is that people will actually discuss these things in /vg/, where as most of /jp/ has already discussed them to death and is simply not interested. There are no threads because people are not interested. You think people will be, make a thread.

>>10250278
>If I had a penny for every time I saw a post like, "Well, I want to discuss XYZ, but we've already discussed it..." or, "I wish we had XYZ threads again," I could have bought the /jp/ Manor by now.
I'd be extremely poor. Are we browsing the same board?

>>10250269
>So /vg/ is just a better place to go, the aren't THAT bad.
I'll copypaste the first couple of posts for you. Don't worry, the discussion is so intelligent over there it'll all fit into a single post:

>Best girl (second worst route)
>Best girl.
>Mizuha was annoying and her several, completely different personalities without development in between were retarded.
>Best imouto hijack.
>Best girl.
>Best mistake.
>And she was still the best girl in the VN
>HATED her at first, got better a little bit... I guess.
>What's a good VN not on the recommendation chart in english?
>Your sloth will not go unpunished.
>Something that probably inst translated.
>Haru was miles better, so was Kanon.
>Galaxy Angel.
>I'll fight you.
>I liked the blue haired one. Thought she was great.
>http://vndb.org/v295
>With what? That sorry excuse?
Every single post is only a single line, generally devoid of any meaning. I'm not cherry-picking here; these are all, in order, the first posts of the current thread, not a single reply omitted. It really is that bad.

>>10250314
Holy shit, I guess I was wrong. Has it really changed so much since I was there? I lurked the first couple weeks when it was made.

I would kill to have a visual novel only board. It would move slowly, but that would be nice. Individual threads for games that don't disappear in a day would be awesome.

And I really have no interest whatsoever in touhou let alone preteen 3d idols or those creepy doll things. I really hate /jp/ except for the VN threads and would love to see this community move somewhere else. But whatever

I am against a FAQ because it would remind me of /vg/'s VN thread and I don't like that place or the people who post there. Plus, the first post formula has been the same for too long and I don't like change.

>>10250269
/vg/ is fucking terrible, unless it's gone against all current 4chan trend and somehow gotten better in the last few months since I looked at their /vn/ thread. Because back then it was an abomination.

I agree with others that some of the current attitudes some posters take ("translated VN discussion should go to /vg/," "VN discussion should be condensed to one thread," etc.) have been detrimental. It reduces the number of people on /jp/ who want to talk about VNs and the number of threads about VNs, and as a result not only is /jp/'s VN scene worse off, so is the board as a whole. I miss the amount of VN discussion this board used to have, even if it was mostly translated stuff, and even if it was something we had already had a thread or two about.

Do some people really piss like this?

>>10250309
I had doujinsoft in mind when I wrote that. In the past couple of months I've seen about half a dozen people complain that we don't have those threads any more (and I've made two as a result). But really, I see that sort of complaint come up a lot.

>>10250312
>It's not my problem if people are too anxious to make a thread because they're afraid that people will get mad at them.
You make them anxious. Your unnecessarily elitism is driving out on-topic discussion that would be nothing but good for /jp/.

>Then you can make a thread about it, just like I said. There is nothing in the world stopping you save for your own fear of judgment at the hands of anonymous internet trolls throwing a hissy fit because you're posting something that's out of style. My point is that people will actually discuss these things in /vg/, where as most of /jp/ has already discussed them to death and is simply not interested. There are no threads because people are not interested. You think people will be, make a thread.
I can't disagree with this, though I still think bringing up /vg/ is a bad argument. It's unquestionably on-topic discussion. There could be a website called discussionoffatestaynight.net for all I care. Outside factors should not dictate what we do or do not discuss. Don't make me whip out the "tea threads to /ck/, ..." kopipe.

Only really read Koiken Otome out of this batch of new releases so far due to a lack of time.
The beginning was fairly dull but picked up once the plot started. The fights themselves were fairly predictable I guess, but were handled decently I guess. The one at the end of the training camp arc was probably my favorite of the ones I've seen.
In terms of routes, I've only started Touko's, and the main drama so far was a type I find sort of stupid but they wrapped it up pretty quickly so it wasn't too detracting in my opinion. They've foreshadowed some other personal drama, so I guess I'll see how that plays out.

Otherwise, it's the first game in a while that had me debating which heroine's route to do first so that was nice I guess, and with how some of the side characters have been written so far, it's sort of a shame there's only 4 heroines.

>>10250336
Toilets can get cold.

When did it become unfashionable to depend on translations? This is 4chan.

>>10250330
It'll never change.

>>10250330
Agreed, I miss the Swan Song threads, the remember11 threads, the Symphonic Rain threads, the Yu-No threads etc. Hell I missed the Umineko threads even though those tend to be shit.

It used to be that when a translation gets released there's a lively thread on /jp/ discussing the game, no matter how shit the game is. Now it's nonexistent, when Never7 and Duel Savior got released it only got like 1-5 posts here in this thread.

Do you guys want to talk about wanko to kurasou?

It's my first VN, I'm also playing higurashi...

>>10250369
Never7 was translated? There's a complete patch out?

I'm not even joking, this is news to me.

>>10250369
You missed all the never7 threads and duel savior is not that good.
2012 is a bad year with nothing noteworthy.
I bet if BS or Muramasa get released you will see tons of threads.

/jp/ is a fucking awful board. There hasn't been a thread worth reading on here since it was made except for those about visual novels.

Shut this place down and replace it with /vn/

>>10250376
Were there any threads about Phenomeno? The release for that came pretty suddenly and I haven't really gotten around to playing it yet...

>>10250373

By the way, when the fuck do I get to have sex with something?

(I'm not kidding about any of either of these posts. I'm serious, I decided to start liking otaku culture instead of shitposting. Please talk to me about VN's guys.)

>>10250373
>Do you guys want to talk about wanko to kurasou?

Yes! I thought it was cute and fun.

I actually replayed it a couple of weeks ago.
Nadeshiko route is best route.

>>10250373
I've never read a VN with a protagonist I hated more than the Wanko to Kurasou guy.

>>10250373
Not a bad choice, I love horny big sister types

>>10250388
I thought he was a huge fucking cunt but that just made the game more likeable to me. Sometimes it's nice having characters you disagree with, even if they're the protagonist.

>>10250336
That's how I shit, not even kidding.

>>10250382
If I remember correctly, the entire first chapter is completely dry as far as fucking. And it took a while to get to it even in the the second chapter. But I don't remember exactly, it's been a while.

>>10250401
There really isn't any porn in the first part though

>>10250382
It's a nukige, I doubt it can get an hour without porn porn porn.

Are there any VNs with good relationship-based drama beside Maruto's works, Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, and the recent elf games? I need a break from the shitty excuses for drama moege have been throwing at me.

One thing I will say about Wanko, when the sex starts happening it's pretty fucking hot.

>>10250336
There is always the possibility of the toilet breaking and she get cut in half.

>>10250376
There were only three or so threads for Never7, and they were mostly filled with the same people posting over and over again. (I can know, I was probably the most active poster.) After the release-time threads, I've never seen it discussed again even once.

>>10250374
Yup, you can get it at TLWiki. Don't expect an Ever17, though, it's nothing like the other two infinity games. I'm an infinity fanboy (rated E17 a 9.8 and R11 a 9.7) and even I gave Never7 only a 7.0.

>>10250382
Haven't played Wanko myself, but from what I heard half of it is drama and half of it is porn. You're probably in the drama half right now.

>>10250336
>>10250394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_defecation_postures

>>10250404
I think it made up for it by being surprisingly emotional. Considering it's a bestiality themed nukige.

>>10250410
>rated E17 a 9.8 and R11 a 9.7
How do you decide to rate them that instead of say, a 9.6 or a 9.9? Serious question, not being sarcastic.

>>10250382
You'll regret when it reach the porn part.
They fuck like rabbits.

>>10250410
>Yup, you can get it at TLWiki. Don't expect an Ever17, though, it's nothing like the other two infinity games. I'm an infinity fanboy (rated E17 a 9.8 and R11 a 9.7) and even I gave Never7 only a 7.0.

Yep, I did some digging and the scores don't seem to be good.

Also I found the threads:
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S9593828
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S9625151
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S9479327

No idea how I missed these. Oh well.

http://translationlibrary.blicky.net/ff/ff_librarylinks.htm
>4chan / JP
>
>If you can look past the rubbish posted you’ll often find information on translation projects and updates by translators not found elsewhere.

feels bad, man.

newfag note: translationlibrary was vnts before vnts.

>>10250410
Hey, hi gundam. Can you give me some opinions on code18. I know it's supposed to be somewhat bad, I'm curious as to why.

>>10250424
I've always wondered this as well. Like how people can assign such a specific number to how much they liked something when my only three ratings are "I liked it!", "I hated it!" and "I'm bored."

>>10250433
Same here I dont like number.
For me it is
GOAT
good
meh
thrash
shit

For most people in /jp/ it is mostly either kamigo or kusoge though.

>>10250433
Same here, my opinions of games boil down to:

"It was fun, I enjoyed it."
"It wasn't anything mindblowing, but I enjoyed it."
"It was mediocre, but I enjoyed it."
"It was objectively bad, but I enjoyed it."
"I didn't enjoy it."

I bet the type of people that think fun is a buzzword would hate me. To me, there is a different between a game being "good" and a game being "enjoyable".

>>10250433

For me it's:

Recommended for everyone
Might recommend for people who like xyz
Not recommended

>>10250424
It's all relative. '10.0' would indicate the best story I could ever imagine reading, '1.0' would indicate the worst story I could ever imagine reading (and yes, I managed to rate a game that), and anything in-between is relative and dependent on other scores (though biased to general standards, such as '7' being a game I enjoyed but did not consider great). For example, these are my >8.5 scores:

9.8 Ever17
9.7 Remember11
9.5 Umineko & Chiru
9.0 Clannad
9.0 Fate/stay night
8.8 Higurashi (1-4)
8.6 Steins;Gate
8.5 Time Hollow

There's a somewhat significant gap between the best story I could imagine reading and Ever17, so there's 0.2 points difference. IMO, Ever17 is just slightly better than Remember11, so there's 0.1 point difference. Then there's some of a gap to Umineko, meaning 0.2 points. Between Umineko and Clannad/fsn there's a huge gap, so it jumps 0.5 points. Those two are rated equal because I enjoyed them about equally. Then Higurashi is slightly worse, S;G is slightly worse than that, and that's just a bit better than Time Hollow. The list continues on like that with the gaps simply representing how different my experiences with the VNs were.

TL;DR: It's a combination of ordering them by enjoyment and expressing the difference between enjoyment of VNs.

Is there any site beside vndb that lets you keep track of games you've played/want to play? You'd think there'd be one in Japanese if there's one in English. I think EGS might, but I need a proxy to access it.

>>10250433
If you ever do reviews, it comes naturally.
Let's say you can only give a perfect 100, to your favourite, the rest, no matter how good they are, will get lower, so you start taking out points.
And in the end, the difference just lies in
>I enjoyed it better than X but less than Y, so it gets decimals accordingly

>>10250458
>but I need a proxy to access it.
What? How do you get yourself banned?

>>10250464
>banned
It blocks foreign IPs randomly.

>>10250464
being a white pig is against the rules

I don't know about Wanko, but I just started Ef and I am going straight for that Miyako route. Is there anything stopping me? (Like needing to finish one route before entering another)

>>10250457
Actually that makes sense. I was thinking the other day, what kind of person rates a PSP otome game, a moege comedy, and Muv Luv Alternative the same score? (me, apparently) But giving out specific decimals I would be able to more specifically rank them. Thanks for the idea.

>>10250433
I can do numeric ratings, but not with that kind of granularity.

10 - Amazing, enjoyed every minute.
9 - Not perfect, but really pretty good
8 - Quite enjoyable overall. Maybe did some unusual things that worked well, or maybe it had severe pacing problems but was great at times, something like that.
7 - Good, but nothing really stands out about it. Or, really good at times, but flawed in some major way.
6 - A decent time waster, but I wouldn't really consider it "good".
5 and below are varying levels of shit.

>>10250475
That's not how ef works at all. It's more or less 5 different stories, with the first 4 spanning a chapter each with the last spanning 3 or so.

>>10250467
I really wonder how their system for this works. Was blocked like a month ago, but just until recently I've been able to access it. Weird as fuck.

>>10250426
I'm not GundamAce (he actually rated Never7 a '9'). But to answer your question, the company that got the infinity license when KID went bankrupt went ahead and made a game to cash in on the hype generated by the Ever17 remake (which was in development at that point). It has nothing to do with the infinity series. GundamAce actually played it, and if I recall correctly he said it was just a rather average moege that would be okay in its own right but has nothing to do with infinity.

>>10250467
>>10250474
Which subhuman country do you need to be from to get to get blocked from EGS?

How do I give decimal ratings in vndb?
As a math doctor I feel really frustrated that I can't use decimal numbers.

>>10250490
Northern California apparently.

>>10250488
>I'm not GundamAce
Sorry then, the guy is everywhere when you talk about nakazawa and the infinity series.

>ather average moege that would be okay in its own right but has nothing to do with infinity.
God, what the fuck?

>>10250492
Choose "Other" on the dropdown thing when rating the VN.

>>10250498
oh it is easier that I thought
thanks

>>10250482
For a very long time, VNDB used to have ratings without decimals. (At the time, Ever17, R11 and Umineko were all '10' for me, and Clannad, f/sn and Higurashi were all '9' for me.) At some point, you run out of numbers to accurately represent your opinion; Ever17 and Remember11 clearly deserved to be above Umineko, but Umineko also deserved to be above f/sn, Clannad and Higurashi. On the other hand, putting those three on '8' would make it seem like they were just quite good VNs, while I clearly feel they are masterpieces. Over time 10 options aren't enough to accurately express your opinion on VNs, especially near the top, where the line between 'masterpiece' and 'I might never read a story this good again' needs to be expressed somehow.

>>10250495
As I recall, he actually went back and docked Code18 further for ripping off some other series. Can't remember what exactly, but by all means, it's a VN to stay away from.

>>10250433
I used to just give 9s, 7s as a whole, but now I do things like rate the characters out of ten and multiplying that by two, rating the story out of ten then multiplying that by two, and so on. When I finish a VN I tend to estimate a rough number (eg., low 70s) and when I do the whole multiplying thing I usually get around the rough number I gave it.

I don't think anyone has finished it yet, but how is Gahkthun? How does it compare to Sona-Nyl? Is it your favorite WAB VN?

>>10250512
Speaking of Code18, is the torrent for the pc version out yet?

>>10250510
My problem is, I don't feel comfortable rating a VN very long after I read it. Maybe if they had had decimal ratings from the beginning I could have done it, but there's no way I could accurately rank all the games in my "8" level, for example, so I just keep doing integer ratings. It's probably more fair this way anyhow.

>>10250523
For some reason I always end up rating VNs one number higher than I think they deserve after I think about it again some time later. Because of this I have yet to rate anything as a 10.

I want at least 3 digits after the decimal to proper rate my visual novel

Currently playing 何処へ行くの、あの日. Probably one of the most interesting eroge I've played in terms of all the different strange plot devices it throws at you. And it's all handled well enough that it avoids being the trainwreck it could easily have become, or at least so far it has.

Only on my first route, though I think I'm almost done with it. The route for the girl I was going for is apparently locked but it's okay since I ended up with the damaged goods kouhai voiced by Hokuto Minami.

>>10250540
What strange plot devices?

The question would be, why would you gius want to try so hard and waste your time to rate them?
I am utterly confused with the popularity of all these rating sites.

>>10250550
Because it helps other people find good things to play? Because I make use of the same resources myself and they're only useful as long as people contribute to them?

>>10250544
Stuff that's not really that unusual in eroge as a whole, but which I didn't expect from this game and which it keeps surprising you with the further you get into the story. So it would ruin most of the enjoyment to have them spoiled.

>>10250550
It's a fun way to waste time when you have nothing to do but play VNs and post on /jp/.

I don't know if Kimisora will be a trainwreck, but it at least has a possesive/yandere character.

>>10250426
I initially gave it a 5.5, but my score has dropped to a 3/10. Not only is it not worthy of the Infinity name, but it's a bad Steins;Gate ripoff as well. I could rant for a while why I hate the game, but I'll just sum up my thoughts: all the routes are bad to mediocre, 4/5 routes feel like stupid eroge routes, there's barely any mysteries, the main plot is incredibly stupid, and the main twist was so obvious that I figured it out before the first route was over. Long story short, it's the worst VN I've ever played.

>>10250667
> it's the worst VN I've ever played.
> 3/10

I'd hate to see what a 2/10 or 1/10 would be like.

>>10250680
There's a lot of room to go down from there. Nukige... Rape nukige... God help us, OELVNs...

>>10250723
But Nukige can be enjoyable for masturbation.

>>10250723
You know, there's nothing wrong with the concept of OELVNs themselves, it's just that every person who has attempted to write one seemed to have failed out of a middle school writing class. (Except, arguably, Christina Love.) Even nukige writers are even better off than they are.

>>10250736
>Except, arguably, Christina Love.

Funnily enough, the fact that she's a "serious" writer is one of her biggest faults.

>>10250742
What do you mean? You think she needs to write comedy?

There's nothing wrong with nukige. Lots of them are good.

>>10250745
Not that guy, but she shoehorns heavy-handed "themes" into her work to the expense of characters or plot.

>>10250736

>even nukige writers

Are you implying that nukige can't have a great plot?

You know those times when a heroine is breaking down or getting very emotional while doing that awful bawling noise? I wish the was a option to turn off the voice for that one or two lines. It really makes me cringe and takes off my headphones no matter much I like the heroine or seiyu.

Anyone else feel this way?

>>10250946
>breaking down or getting very emotional while doing that awful bawling noise

You mean when they're "crying"?

>>10250946
No.

>>10250946
Sorry, the rest of us has a soul.

>breaking down or getting very emotional while doing that awful bawling noise

>You mean when they're "crying"?

I must be the only eroge player with a soul

>>10250953
I know what crying is. I am talking about the super loud bawling they always put in games for no good reason.

>>10251015
I have a soul, I feel emotions when it happens but I am put off by that noise.

>>10250314
>Every single post is only a single line, generally devoid of any meaning.

Are we talking about /jp/ here?

>>10250405
>recent elf games

I was under the impression that they were mostly NTR nukige for the sake of fapping. Do they have good drama?

Someone have crack/patch for Hello, world DVD?
My OS is W7 please.

>>10251153
Biniku no Kaori has pretty good drama/thriller with a dark atmosphere throughout the game. The ending is also really sweet and features the most realistic tsundere ever.

I haven't played Gaten-kei and Ningen Debris yet, but I think a few people here did. I heard the twist in Ningen Debris is pretty stupid and the protagonist is detestable though.

>>10249462
Are you still reading this? any sex scenes with her yet? I want to see her ass and if there is anal with her.

>>10249050
Are you still reading this? any sex scenes with her yet? I want to see her ass and if there is anal with her. What is her character like? what does the mc say about her?

>>10251153
>I was under the impression that they were mostly NTR nukige for the sake of fapping.
This is what everyone who hasn't played them thinks. They do have quite a bit of sex but they've also got very good scenarios, with really good relationship drama.

>>10251201
Gatenkei is a masterpiece, frankly speaking, but very NTR-oriented so that will put off a lot of people. The way the relationship between the protagonist and heroine is written and developed is among the best you'll find in the medium.

The twist in Ningen Debris is fine in my opinion, just not as good as Biniku no Kaori's. I found the protagonist interesting rather than detestable, though I liked him less as the game progressed. The main problem with the game for me was that all the mysteries are resolved halfway through it, so it gets kinda boring after that.

>>10251321
>Gatenkei is a masterpiece, frankly speaking, but very NTR-oriented so that will put off a lot of people. The way the relationship between the protagonist and heroine is written and developed is among the best you'll find in the medium.

First part is pretty good. The NTR part is generic stupid NTR with a dumb premise that ignores the girl's personality entirely, so maybe you just blacked out for the last 2/3 of the game?

>>10251325
I agree that the premise of the NTR is about as generic as it gets, but the execution made up for it and the way it developed and resolved was well-written. Do you like NTR? That could also be a factor.

One thing I really like about Elf's games is how they integrate background noise as part of the BGM as well. There are scenes where all you hear is car passing by or cricket chirping and wind chime, yet those noises compliment the atmosphere much better than any BGM could.

Oh and the way how the story is weaved into the sex scenes make them amusing to read. Instead of the heroines moaning for 5 minutes about the protagonist's sexual expertise, the characters actually carry out normal conversation, although I consider that more of the writer's territory rather than the maker's.

Saya is the greatest.

>>10251351
I mean, it works for me, otherwise I wouldn't have played the game. I just wish they'd come up with something other than "strong woman who takes no shit somehow falls for the world's most obvious, stupid blackmail trap and becomes addicted to the cock"

The plot in the second half was generally ridiculous

>>10249541
I'm very disappointed with this game, because the game developer keep claiming those girls 18 yo. What the fuck man!

>>10251392
I'm not really sure, but I think Gatenkei started development as four separate games in a bundle that they later fused into one game.

>>10251400
>not liking かっわいい〜 young girls

what are you, gay?

>>10251400
>not liking かっわいい〜 young children

what are you, gay?

>>10251400
They have been infested with the child virus that causes grown women to act and look like children.

>>10251458
>>10251448
Stop responding to obvious trolls.

Oh god, why? I'm only helping them getting more sales.

>>10251465
Japanese companies are so stupid about copyright it's not even funny

>>10251459
how am i a troll? I'm being serious here.

>>10251458
Fuck this. Gimme my pure かわいい loli game!

Finished Sachi's route in Kajitsu, what an absolutely beautiful end. Wish I'd saved it for last now, or even 2nd last since Amane's route does kind of tie into Meikyuu based on what I've read.

>>10251557
Well I just finished the Grisaia3 trial and it seems that all the routes are canon.

>>10251562
Elements of all routes, at least. The fact that he apparently slept with at least a few while not getting into a relationship or causing drama feels a little weird to me. They seem to be glossing that over to focus on the main plot.

>>10251557
>>10251562
Well, all the routes' main events seem to be canon in Meikyuu Grand Route/Rakuen but without Yuuji actually having ended up having sex / in a relationship with anyone (or did he?).

And Amane's route does tie best into Meikyuu as they both have a great deal of stuff related to Yuuji himself. Amane's bad end is also worth reading (more than other heroines' at least) even though it's not canon.

>>10249548
Where on earth did you find a download for that? I've spent the last few days looking for it but I can't find it for the life of me.

>>10250111
>>10250113
>Where do I get VNs in a very legal manner? Where do I buy VNs? How do I install this Japanese shit? How do I get this Japanese shit working? Where do I get 100% complete saves? Where do I find walkthroughs for VNs?

Might want to condense these into one question, with the answer "We generally don't spoonfeed".

>>10250111
>This thread is for discussing both translated and untranslated Japanese visual novels.
the whole point of the new op proposal was to separate this in an untranslated general thread and game/specific translated threads outside of it, so nope

>>10251601
>Amane's route
There seems to be a plothole to be honest.

How did Kazuki managed to write a letter and bury it along with a knife? According to the trial she was fatally wounded and dying.

The letter seems to written after the event too but that can't be since she's a brain in a jar. Well it wouldn't really surprise me if she has a body, the cylinder she's in is 2 meters tall, that's too big a housing for only a brain.

>>10251601
Lines from the trial:
天音 「あー、いや…当時の私って…なんつーか、ユージに苛めてもらわないとっ
て、そのことばっかり考えてた時期だったから…ねぇ？」
由美子 「あぁ…お風呂でシテるところをわたしに見つかって、寮内で所構わずセッ
クスするなって禁止令を出した直後のあたり…？」
also
蒔菜 「まったくもってけしからん！　お兄ちゃんが死んだら、由美ちゃんは明日
から誰のチ○ポ弄ってオナればいいのよさ！？ だよな！？」

Speculation: He accepted Amane's advances, but they didn't get as close. Let her break things off after the diary. Caught Yumiko fiddling with his dick but didn't sleep with her

>>10251632
I don't think this is a plot hole. I think the whole brain in a jar is a red herring.

See the end of Amane's after route in Meikyuu Kazuki has a physical body depicted.

>>10251630
Making FAQ wont help.
The problem is lacked of new translated game to keep people interested. Frankly speaking, he shouldnt waste his time writing long winded useless FAQ. He should have studied japanese instead.
Anyone that still cant get their eroge from vnddl, nyaa or erogedownload doesnt deserve to play eroge in the first place.

>>10251635
I was just about to post this, it really confused me. I guess they advanced much further than we thought in the various routes / sex scenes were pretty much canon. At least it would be weird if it was just amane.

>>10251632
I think she asked someone from the agency to bury it for her. After all she seems to hold quite a bit of leverage judging from the way JB speaks about her. Wasn't she also the one who asked JB to take care of the apple tree sappling in Makina's route?

Or it's as >>10251638 said.

>>10251639
I'm new to eroge but I can agree with this. Anyone who can download ero anime should be able to figure out how to download eroge pretty quickly.

>>10251635
I'm pretty sure the part about Yumiko is what's commonly called a joke, not a reference to a real happening.
Well, considering Yumiko, maybe it is, but that probably doesn't mean they never fucked for real.

To all the people discussing the Grisaia trial, I only want to know one thing:

Is a ONEE-CHAN route still plausible?

Please say yes ;_;

Stop the meta discussion.

You guys ruined another thread.

>>10251632
I saw that as Kazuki surviving the fight after Amane left in good enough condition to do the thing in the bad end, but not in good enough shape to get out herself and might have lead to her Rakuen state.
Also just like >>10251638 says theres the Amane after scene. And the whole scene in trial was suspicious as fuck how it was done.

Speaking of Grisaia, when did Yuuji's partner (the black guy) died? I don't remember him dying. His last appearance on the previous game is him and Yuuji making fun of Chizuru after the hostage taking crisis.

>>10251648
I really think it would be even weirder if, say, Sachi's scene was canon, because there's no way he's just wandering off to bang other girls after that. In Amane's case, the initial sex is for bad reasons, so it can work for them to have broken it off without bad feelings.

>>10251659
Considering the story direction, I think it's plausible that the whole route (or a part of it) will turn into some sort of Kazuki-Route, similar to what the Grand route in Meikyuu was. At least she'll have a lot more relevance than in earlier games.
I'm not gonna speculate on wether you get to fuck her or not, though. (probably not)

>>10251664

He becomes a marine and dies on the job. Yuuji remembers attending his funeral in Amane's route in Kajitsu

>>10251658
Except she goes "guh" after, so it's clearly a reference that hits home instead of a random joke

>>10251664
Pretty sure he's not dead. At least I hope he isn't.

>>10251663
Am I the only one that thinks that Kazuki telling Yuuji to go die for her sake and also acting pissed/cold when he missed his sniper shot at the end of Meikyuu extremely suspicious? Last I checked she was an extreme bracon.

>>10251659
We don't know yet. Either (big spoilers) the Thanatos deal is a hoax or she'll get an actual body later.
That actually gave me an idea: brain in jar + Cloning = new body for Kazuki?

>>10251664
I don't think it was ever shown but I remember Yuuji having a monologue about his death when they visit the crash site in Amane's route.

>>10251670
>Last I checked she was an extreme bracon.
I think the whole deal is some bigass http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThanatosGambit on her part.

>>10251672
>dies on the job

Man this is getting more and more depressing. What are the chances of shit hitting the fan in the 3rd game? I really hope the main heroines will remain safe no matter what.

>>10251679
>new body for Kazuki?

Isn't this a new character sprite? Unless of course it's her casual dress from Meikyuu...it's been a while since I played it.

>>10251697
Pretty sure it's a new outfit, seeing how she shows up wearing this first in the demo, then changing back into her old school uniform to make things easier for Yuuji.
That doesn't really mean she's having a body, though, it's just what she likes to make her hologram wear

>>10251675
Obviously shit's gonna hit the fan.
To be honest I think the rest of the Yabuinu will help and die during the game, along with JB.

The heroines probably won't but Yuuji might die at the end.

I've (>>10251659) got another question. The getchu page shows CGs that don't really seem to fit in the direction the trial is going to (Amane bikini sex with Yuuji?).

Does this mean we'll be getting more after stories like in Meikyuu? It seems a little overkill at this point, unless they're just HCGs...

>>10251712
Dave is going to save the day again

>>10251670
>Last I checked she was an extreme bracon.

This is still probably her motivation. Just wants her brother to be happy.

I'm thinking she manipulated things to get him into that school with a hand-picked assortment of girls. (There's a line in Meikyuu where she talks about picking his girl for him. Ichigaya has connections to Sakaki, who built the school.)

If he actually commits to one and ends up having something to live for, she stays out of the way. He can't manage that in the grand route, so she starts taking a more active role.

>>10251712
Probably Prof. Dave hscenes.

>>10251712
Seeing how we're going all grimdark story mode, there probably won't be a whole lot of sex scenes in the main story.
So yeah, probably more after stories. They need to put in enough sex scenes so people buy the thing.
There'll probably also be another Dave section.

>>10251716
>>10251718
>>10251721
I completely forgot about Dave. March can't come soon enough.

I'm also looking forward to the next series they come up with. Hoshiuta was awesome and Grisaia is a masterpiece. Let's hope they can keep this up.

>>10251710
I was pretty sure that Yuuji would most likely die at the end, but with the whole Rakuen line from Asako in trial, now I see him most likely surviving

I thought tenso won't ship obscene articles how do you get your eroge from them?

>>10251735
I'm not even sure which way I'd prefer.
I think he'll survive though, especially given his "let me die already" emo stuff going on there's bound to be some sort of final event where he'll be saved (emotionally)

>>10251735
>>10251741
I think so too. The whole "I saved 5 people so can I finally die" will probably be a phase and the main heroines manage to give him enough reason to live. Not sure about how Kazuki is going to end up though.

>>10251742
>give him enough reason to live

Pretty sure ghost Asako did that already.

>>10251738
I've bought a bunch of eroge through Tenso and never had any problems with them, even stuff with fairly NSFW boxes like Sanjinkou

>>10251757
actually wanted to ask do you buy your eroge though amazon jp? If so do they actually take foreign cards?

Since tenso is only a proxy you still need to use a foreign card to pay unless I'm mistaken and I heard sites are blacklisting tenso since they ship to foreigner

>>10251793
I have bought books from amazon.jp and they took my Visa no problem. You just need to go around the no international shipping for porn thing.

I'm not ashamed to admit that my eroge consumption completely depends on the japanese pirating community.
I don't really want to pay companies that don't want me as a customer anyway, so I never researched too much into how to buy eroge.

>>10251793
Yeah, I've bought stuff from (at least) amazon.jp, sofmap (for preorder tokutens), surugaya and some other minor webstores, I've had a couple instances of a store not accepting my card for whatever reason but never with amazon

>>10251803
Well I heard that some sites recognize tenso are are not shipping to those addresses, needless to say I need information.

>>10251805
if it makes you feel any better this is for something fairly old that hasn't seen the light of day for quite some time

>>10251805
Admit it. You'd still pirate the majority of the VNs even if the companies did want you as a customer.
Stop trying to justify your piracy. We all do it. Just stop trying to be moral about it.

>>10251810
People like you who think they have the right to project their own misguided ways on everyone else are just as annoying, keep it to yourself.

>>10251810
Seeing how shit like >>10251465 happened, I dont think that'd be something to consider. Steam was so successful cause it's easy to buy stuff from it. If they want us as customer, it'd be much different then they way things are now.

>>10251809
>Well I heard that some sites recognize tenso are are not shipping to those addresses, needless to say I need information.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention -- some sites indeed won't ship to Tenso (and other proxy services I'd imagine) because they recognize it as a proxy service. Toranoana and Melonbooks come to mind (couldn't buy Suika's Sanjinkou doujin back when it was still available, damn it), but amazon should still be fine

Time for a new thread.

This time, let's limit our discussion to Visual Novels.

>>10251823
to be fair I was talking about Visual Novels, ways of buying them but whatever thanks for the info guys

>>10251827
Sometimes I want to start a Valve-like company that translates and sells VN through a steam-like interface, but then I get terrified of trying to negotiate contracts with Japanese businessmen.

Maybe someday when I can afford to hire someone else to do that.

>>10251841
you should be more worried about western moral guardians.

>>10251844
What can they do? Talk about it on the media?

Any press is good press, and they'll help to bring money in.

>>10251841
Take a look at Jast and MangaGamer to see how good that goes.
I'm not saying you couldn't do better than them, but it's probably not their fault alone that they're not getting a whole lot of good games translated.

>>10251848
Translating and distribution is done for free well enough anyway, I'm sure the problem they're having is with negotiating for licenses. I'm sure Japanese companies don't want to entrust their precious IPs to jumpstart gaijin companies anyway, I wouldn't want to if I were in their shoes.

If it were me I'd probably just stick with one company's catalog at first to build up a library and a raport, so that when I went to the next company they could see how well I did with the first one.

>>10251846
Err have you forgot the rapeplay incident?

>>10251859
Nothing really came out of that, except for Rapelay getting increased sales.

>>10251858
So, exactly what Mangagamer has done.

bump limit. new thread
>>10251864

>>10251863
Really? Oh...

I guess I didn't really have an idea then.

>>10251869
And mangagamer also has the advantage of being a subsidiary of a proper eroge company, so better contacts and all that than a regular gaijin company.

>>10251869
Plus, Mangagamer is owned by a Japanese national. The guy's the uncle of the owner of the VN company, Overdrive.

That's how Mangagamer first started out. Translating Overdrive VNs and even getting a commission to create a VN marketed especially for the English market. Even with their connection, they are still struggling.

>>10251877
I feel like their nearly nonexistent marketing strategy may be part of their problem.

>>10251886
Marketing to what consumer base?

Marketing is generally done to existing customers to interest them in new products. Half the people who play VNs know about Mangagamer already.

The second variety of marketing, in which they create new customers through massive marketing campaigns, is not financially feasible.

>>10251873
Hmm I'm looking at them now and Slave Witch April is tempting me, but I'm really missing the Steam interface for downloading, installing, and playing. Plus my hard drive is full at the moment.

>>10251896
I've been slowly purging my hard-drive of anime in order to create more rooms for VNs. The process is almost complete already.

>>10251895
I think there's plenty of people on 4chan alone who don't know about mangagamer, or don't realize that the company does VN translations. A banner ad on the more Japanese-y boards might really help drive sales.

>>10251895
No, marketing is generally done to expand your customer base, and they're doing none of that. JAST actually is, which is probably why they're in much better financial shape from all accounts.

>>10251903
And most of the people who go on /a/, /v/, or even /jp/ aren't the primary consumer base for Mangagamer.

Most people who play VNs only play a couple of big name titles - F/SN, Muv-Luv, etc. The target base for VN companies aren't these one-off consumers, but rather, people who consume VNs at least semi regularly.

>>10251908
>The target base for VN companies aren't these one-off consumers, but rather, people who consume VNs at least semi regularly.

I don't see why not. You'd use advertising to turn one-time players into repeat customers. People who've played G Senjou no Maou or FS/N or Monmusu Girl Quest probably did so because of their popularity and would like to play others, but aren't sure how to really get more VNs like those.

>>10251899
That's what I've been doing on my laptop. I just need to figure out a way to archive completed VNs to my external hard-drive without losing my save data, in case I want to pick them up again later. I'm sure it would only take an hour to figure out but I'll just keep being lazy until I have no more anime or pictures to delete.

>>10251911
That was the reaction by the producers themselves. They were behaving in an irrational, reactionary way.
The consumer base did not react in any adverse manner.

In fact, the Rapelay incident made me look up illusion and sample a couple of their game myself.

>>10251916
Just save the global.dat and the copy the my documents folder.

It will take you less than 30 seconds per individual VN.

>>10251917
Did they really think VN would get banned in USA or something? That seems really unlikely, considering how broad 1st amendment protection of art is. I think they overestimated the influence of angry soccer moms...

>>10251908
Their audience should be the people who have never played a VN before, since most of their library doesn't really appeal to "experienced" VN players or whatever you want to call us, and there aren't that many of us anyway.

>>10251919
Oh yeah? Sweet. I can finally get some of these VN from over a year ago off my laptop.

>>10251917
They didn't do it to appease their customer base, who obviously didn't give any sort of shit whatsoever. They did it to appease Tokyo's fears that the incident was going to damage Japan's image abroad.

>>10251922
Just so you know, global.dat is the data used for all the unlocking stuff. As in extra content, checking to see who's route is completed, CG sets, H-scene compilation etc.

Save data is stored in a separate folder.

The majority of VNs save the save states in the My Documents folder, but check just in case they don't.

>>10251923
Japan's a free country. The companies can do whatever they want as long as they don't break the law.

>>10251920
I guess they just feared negative press.

Many Japanese companies behave in irrational manners. I don't know why, and I suspect that a degree in behavioral psychology is required to fully understand it. They often don't put the profit at the forefront of their objectives.

>>10251928
They can do whatever they want, but they're not going to, because in Japan if the government ~kindly requests~ that you do something because it could damage the multi-billion dollar Japanese software industry, you ~kindly comply~.

>>10251923
Ahh that makes more sense. Although it'd really be hard to make Japan's image any worse, really, what with the tentacle hentai.

>>10251926
For sure, thanks for the heads up.

>>10251932
Everybody who pretends to know Japan says that, but I suspect the truth is far from it.

Japan has one of the lowest corruption rates in the world. I highly suspect that the companies can just tell the government to fuck off without serious repercussions (unless they're getting taxpayer funding/research money)

>>10251932
You see, those "requests" only work if there is a strong government-corporate ties.

I have my doubts believing that Illusion has any ties to the government at all.

>>10251930
From what I remember of the modern Japanese history course I took 2 years ago, companies there value stability over profits a lot of the time, and they're structured differently. They're not as capitalistic as American companies are, for instance. The reconstruction from WW2 had an effect on that as well.

What Illusion should have done right after the Rapelay incident was to heavily market it, and release an English version immediately.

That would've turned over a hefty profit, and possibly opened up an entirely new market.

>>10251942
>>10251937
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-business_relations_in_Japan

There are some pretty strong ties between the government and private business in Japan.

>>10251942
>>10251937
I'm not even talking about corruption. If you're some forty-year old executive from.a tiny company that makes porn games and a big-shot from the Ministry of the Economy comes and tells you that this could cause a big incident, and do a great deal of damage to the Japanese software industry, and if left alone it might attract a lot of negative attention in the mainstream Japanese press, and blah blah blah blah blah, you're probably going to comply, even if you have to call in the whole team and have a meeting about what to do, which will end in something along the lies of "well it sucks that we put all this work and money into Rapeplay but I guess it can't be helped" and issue a notice to shelf everything.

>>10251930
>They often don't put the profit at the forefront of their objectives.
Japanese executives are not profit maximizers. They care about things such as face. Maybe even if they run a company that makes H-games.

>>10251953
I honestly don't understand how you can have any face left to save after making a game about raping women on trains. At least some VNs pretend to be artistic and/or literary. Illusion doesn't even have that.

>>10251960
"We may make games for perverted to otaku to act like fantasies of rape-murdering people, but at least we aren't damaging the livelihoods of honest, hard-working Japanese software developers everywhere."

>>10251960
Who can comprehend the inner machinations of the mind of a sarariman?

>>10251963
Did I really manage to write a post in English that shitty? Whatever. I'm sure you can figure out what it was supposed to say.

>>10251952
Eh. That's mostly about huge corporations, like Mitsushibi, Toyota, etc.

As I said before, a small company run by a couple of neckbeards probably don't have governmental ties.

>>10251965
I think the sentence structure adds to the meaning, as it sounds more Japanese in a sense.

>>10251966
There are small business associations that do have ties to government, and they're pretty important for shielding small businesses from large foreign businesses.

So if the MITI guy goes to the head of the small business association and asks them to do something about the Rapelay incident, I can see it working it's way down to Illusion as a full stop order.

>>10251971
That makes sense.