/jp/ - Otaku Culture

It means they dont play the games. Thats it.

Takes fandom into consideration, never 1cc'd any game, black tewi

A secondary is someone who has not played the games and are only interested in Touhou through it's fan works like music and doujinshi.
It's mostly looked down upon because those people project secondary personality traits onto the characters.
I mean really, if you can't even beat Touhou on easy you might as well not bother getting into it at all.

Is neo-/jp/ now going to start misunderstanding this word just like they do with "crossboarder"?

>>10159690
If it's the same anon I think it is he's got mental problems and can't speak english very well.

>>10159692
>>10159690
Please don't bully

Can't clear a game on hard.

>>10159726
Well damnit. I'll go and kill myself out of /jp/ and never come back until I reach this benchmark, then.

>>10159738
Please do.

I'm a quaternary!

Ask me anything!

>>10159754
I think you're lying, you're easily a tertiary or better.

Likes Alice.

Proper quaternary here, I'm only interested in Touhou because of the amount of Yuri between these two characters. I don't even know character names and I didn't even realize there was a game series.

>>10159690

Looks like it...

Is it really about clearing games, or how you got into touhou, ala through weeaboo media or actually enjoying shmups?

>>10159775
It's about playing the games and knowing the difference between actual character traits and secondary character traits.
It's okay to like fanon stuff but a secondary is someone who only knows touhou through it's fan works primarily and has never played the games.

>actual character traits
everyone trash talks and pretend to be a tough bitch, then they drink tea.

here, every touhou character's personality in a nutshell.

>>10159779

That's what I thought. Thank you kind anon.

>>10159690
>start
Yeah, about that...

I've been playing touhou for years and i still suck on normal and I can barely clear a game on easy.

Does that still make me a secondary?

>>10159779
>It's okay to like fanon stuff

>>10159803
'Fraid so.

How can you say you like someone if you know nothing but made up stories and traits about her?

>>10159808
Well I think it is okay to like fanon if you acknowledge that it is just fanon and shouldn't be taken serious

>>10159803
Keep trying, you can do it!
It'll be so satisfying when you do.

>>10159676
/jp/ is probably one of the worst places to ask this, its essentially a community completely filled with secondaries.

>>10159803
Do keep trying, it'll feel great when you clear for the first time. Which ones are you playing, incidentally? Trying to start clearing on SA is kind of silly, for instance.

>>10159770
Scum.

>>10159818
What can I say, they make a cute couple :3

>>10159824
ur mum and the dog makes a cute couple

>>10159816
I've been playing IN because Rans spinning is so mesmerizing.

I like these threads because everyone claims people who like fanon are secondaries and have no place on /jp/, and you look at the board and it's all secondary shit. And yet, all those threads can't be deleted without causing a shitstorm.

secondaries are the only reasonable people because the games suck ass except for the characters.

It's okay to enjoy fanon personality etc as long as you don't take it as "their real personality" etc.

People actually thinking Kaguya is a NEET and play games all day for example.

>>10159830
IN does throw a huge amount of resources at you, so it should be the easiest. Have you tried watching some videos of other people playing and using Practice Mode?

>>10159832

I think it would conflict with our autism to delete these even when they are shitty, it is a devilish cycle...The question is, what is better, shitposting or secondary threads?

>>10159839
I've done practice mode but I havnt seen videos.

I'm really hit or miss when it comes to shmup comes. Some nights I can do entire stages without even getting hit once, but as soon as i get to the next I'm constantly makign stupid mistakes.

>>10159846
shitposting

>>10159852
Watch some, then. Some spells may have certain methods of doing them that you may have entirely fudged over.

>>10159726
Without continues?

>>10159852
I couldn't 1cc any game on normal a few weeks ago, all endings I could get were using 2~3 continues. Then I started playing a lot and only on Lunatic, and I'd restart every time I died. Shortly after (in the same day) I could beat stage 1 without losing any lives or using bombs. After that I jumped back into normal mode and 1cc'd so easily. Please try that.

If you've never 1cc'd every game on lunatic while getting your cock sucked by a touhou you ain't shit buddy.

What's the point of 1cc'ing?
It surely can't be very fun to keep dying on the same stages, nor is there any "skill" in simply remembering the various patterns.
It's only really a measure of autism, and I'm sure /jp/ doesn't need any more of that.

>>10159806
This, pretty much

>>10159896
This seems to work for me.

>>10159806
Because they are a collection of made up traits and the story is fiction to begin with? What does it matter if it's zun's interpretation of touhou, the community's or your's?

>>10159688
but you can't play touhou on easy?!
reimu and marisa will laugh at your small penis!!

>>10159676

Memes are for faggots.

>>10160013
Because ZUN created, produces and writes the series?
It's ok to cook up whatever personality you think belongs to whomever but that was a dum question to ask.

>>10159992

Arcade style games are developed with single credit clears in mind, anyone can finish a game by continuing.

>>10160027
cool reaction image dude

>>10160027
>ngbbs

>>10160028
So what if he created them? Without the community touhou would just be some boring shmup fading into obscurity and irrelevant in modern video games.

It's just like the intent of the writer in creating imagery and symbolism in a literary work is irrelevant as long as the reader can find it.

>>10159992
You can also say that about pretty much every game ever. The only skill you need for a game is being fast and having good reflexes and I barely see anyone winning due to having godlike reflexes like Daigo Umehara, what I mostly see is people just exploiting broken mechanics in order to win.

>>10159686
What's wrong with Black Tewi? Isn't she just Tewi's alternate outfit in PoFV?

They don't play the games but participate in the fandom.

>>10159992
>What's the point of 1cc'ing?
You can't see the ending of the games unless you clear them without continuing.

>nor is there any "skill" in simply remembering the various patterns.

You say that like there aren't any random bullets or none of the attacks are aimed at you.

>>10159992
It's about accomplishment and achieving something you worked for.
There is barely a better feeling in this world.

If touhou takes so few skill then you can surely handle it right?

Otaku wannabes and people who try to pull Touhou to their side which basically turns every girl in an analogous of the mass produced anime characters of these days, disregarding everything they don't like from the games that makes the characters unique, sometimes turning it into something else totally unrelated just for the sake of pandering the kind of retards who buy crap in J-list.

>>10160040
How would you like it if you made a story just for your own amusement which then happens to become big?
How would you like it if the fans then would turn the characters you have put so much thought into and who you love like your own children into huge sluts?

It's true that fans made touhou big but why would that mean that you can't have respect for the original intention?

>>10160114
There's a needless negative and accusing tone on your post (then again, this is 4chan), but you have it right. Lots of people got into Touhou by watching Marisa Stole the Precious Thing and never cared to go after the primary sources.

Part of me likes IOSYS for the big boost they gave to Touhou's popularity. What got me interested the series years ago was trying to find what the fuck was behind Cirno's perfect math class. But another part hates them because their idiotic Alice => Dere interpretation became a huge thing. Also, miko's grating voice starts to really grate on your ears after a while.

>>10160015
For beginners, a few rounds on Easy would get them accustomed to the controls and such.

In my opinion, there's nothing inherently wrong with being a secondary as long as you aren't a fucking idiot. For example, a friend of mine got into Touhou because of the music, but is horrible at shmups so he doesn't play them, and he isn't a meme spamming idiot like SAKUYA PADS CIRNO BAKA BAKA BAKA 999 FLANDRERS MCROLL XDDDDDD

Those type of people are scum and should be executed on sight

>>10159676
urmom is a secondary

>>10160214
>friend of mine
I was going to tell you to get out but I found I'm just jealous.

>>10160230
Are you my feels?

What about someone who hasn't played the games but really digs the the lore, vastly preferring all printed works and official music releases (ZUN's Music Collection, Akyu's Untouched Score, etc.) to whatever the fandom makes? Are they still labeled the same as the "I love toehoes marisa stole the precious thing is my favorite song" shitlords?

>>10160266
Technically you are still a secondary but you aren't a horrible person.

People are overrating the labels primary and secondary

Why do you guys give a shit about the careful distinction about what precisely does or doesn't constitute a secondary?

>>10160274
Because OP asked

>>10160266
that's one and a halfaries

So, we have primaries and secondaries, but how do we call those persons, who like Touhou only because of the hype it gets? You know, those who post Chen, like Cirno, because she is #yolo, and so on. They don't even know, who lives in SDM, i'm not talking about actually playing games or reading doujins. Many of those people don't understand english. Are those secondaries too?

>>10160266
The games themselves are an important part of Touhou's "feel". If you don't play, at very least watch replays of people playing to understand that.

Also, the endings. You should see them too.

>>10160348
idiots are idiots, no need to create a particular term for them.

>>10160266
It makes you a truer fan at least than the "games only" autists.

What exactly are "tertiaries"? People who got into touhou through *chans?

ZUN actually promotes a bit of headcanon, so as long as you play and enjoy the game and your head canon doesn't conflict with the games (ie not claim that wriggle is a boy or yukari has a 12 foot long dick) you should be safe as a primary.

>>10160419
They're fans of only double-derivative works. It's a disciplined and elite group.

>>10159846
>shitposting or secondary threads?
Same damn thing.

>>10160454
No, not really. The key component of shitposting is that people who do it know that they're shitposting.

>>10160427
How does Yukari's possible long schlong conflict with the games?

>>10160471
she misses her primary gap

>>10159686
I 1cc'd SA with Marisa Patchy in easymodo, does that count?

>>10160476
Remilia_laughing has already been taken, but I want you to know I appreciated that.

>>10160482
T-Thanks, Anon.

>>10160467
>The key component of shitposting is that people who do it know that they're shitposting.
Why would it matter to me, the /jp/ browser, if someone is spewing low rate content on purpose or on accident, if the content is the same?

>>10160501
Maybe you don't care, but there's a difference.

And the reason it matters is that low-quality and idiotic posters can be corrected, educated, or told off, whereas shitposters will just take the opportunity to make another four or five shit threads if you bother to respond at all.

>>10160427
It's true that touhou encourages all kind of speculations but no matter how profound a speculation is, it's still fanon.
Headcanon is such a silly word.

Just call it speculation and that's it

>>10160501
And also, a mindless imagedump with a hundred pictures of Chen in it is at least cute to look at even if the discussion is inane or nonexistent. A hundred posts of retarded /pol/shit complete with reaction images and base trolling is not.

>>10160507
"Headcanon" is different from speculation. It's "the way I think things really are."

Is "Secondary" a Japanese concept? Or is it originally from the English speaking touhou fans? Or maybe just /jp/?

>>10160030
>anyone can finish a game by continuing
I'll go kill myself, then.
I end up running out of continues... But I'm getting better, slowly.

>>10160513
My're definition > you're definition.

Try not playing your semantics tricks on loosely defined netslang.

>>10160503
a little *whips out cock* here and there isn't the same as a /pol/ shit raid - /pol/ shit refering to content, not perpetrator of said raid; they might be actually thinking they're cool and hype, just like sparky when it posts.

>>10160564
>My're definition > you're definition. Try not playing your semantics tricks on loosely defined netslang.
What "tricks" have I played on you? I don't even know what you're referring to.

>>10159676
If you played the games first, you're a primary. If you heard a single Touhou arrange/read a single Touhou doujinshi/looked at Touhou fanart before you even played the game, you're a secondary. Doesn't matter if you play the games now or don't. Anyway, don't be misled by the misguided fools here, OP. :)

>>10160571
Actually it goes deeper than that, newfriend. If you ever made, viewed, experienced, hear of games, code, music or art that directly or indirectly influenced ZUN in the creation process of touhou, consider yourself SECONDARY SCUM.

I only play the fighting games, am i primary or secondary?

>>10160568
He means that the way you see things are nothing but fanon speculation

>>10160625
Yes, but it's a specific kind of fanon speculation, and people invented a word to describe that specific kind of fanon speculation.

>>10160633
Actually, I have to correct myself. Fanon is what fans generally agree on. Someone's personal "headcanon" can have no relation to it.

>>10160642
No matter how much you believe that your interpretation is right, it's not any kind of canon unless it's confirmed it will remain a speculative interpretation.

I'm not saying that it is bad, but there is no need to elevate it in any form.
I can pretty much see all the people on tumblr calling something headcanon while taking it serious.

>>10160695
So, just because you have a really fucked-up headcanon that everybody else think it's retarded do you feel the need to deny the term?

>>10160695
Headcanon is not actually canon the same way that a scapegoat is not actually a goat. Nobody even pretends that it is.

>I'm not saying that it is bad, but there is no need to elevate it in any form.
It doesn't elevate anything. It's a stupid term that has come into use as a useful descriptor.

wadda fuck man xD

I played and liked the games while not paying attention to the characters or story.

>>10160047
Daigo doesn't win due to reflexes, you yomiless nigger.

>>10160860
sirloin pls go

>>10160860
>>10160879

He's right, though. Daigo does have close to perfect mechanics, but that's actually the comparatively easy part of any given fighting game.
Decision making, predicting, and reading your opponent are what make or break the high-level play, and Daigo is fucking psychic.

>>10160930
He lost to an arab though.

>>10160937

I fail to see how that's relevant. Every pro player loses games, even the guys who are on top lose major tournaments.
Just becaue Daigo is inhumanly good doesn't mean other people can't be, too.

>>10160945
As far as I know Daigo never won that much in Japanese competitions, usually placing himself 2nd or 3rd. He just became popular in america, because he was the only champion that would fly oversea.

I'm interest to know how much age affects the performance of a progamer in competitions were reflexes play a major role.

The problem is that progaming is failry recent and therefore the competitors are naturally young.

But this could provide some interesting data on how neuronal response change after time.

I guess we need to wait some 20 years.

>>10160972

Far from a pro-gamer, not even good. But reflex wise I would say I am better now than I was 15 years ago. Could be the amount of shmups I played since then or that I take it more seriously. Definetly a interesting study

Does it count as 1cc if I failed Kaguya's last spells in IN?

>>10161077
yes

>>10161077
Yes. Cool Dubs!

People who call others secondaries dont realize how garbage the writing and gameplay is in the actual games. The only good parts of 2h are the music and fanon shit.

>>10161106

The music isn't even good. ZUN is a talentless hack

>>10161111
I disagree but then again I like shitty video game music.

>>10160563

You probably should, maybe I should upload some of my YUKKURI MODE replays

(easymodo, 1cc, as little movement as possible)

>>10161111
Now youve crossed the line. The music is interesting and sounds nice.

>>10161111
This guys a fucking quadrandary

>>10161111
Everything is good. That's why you're a duodenary and I'm a zeroary.

>>10163976
>>10163984
Fucking unaries that will eat shit covered with sprinkles any day.

I don't care for the games. I don't care for the porn. I don't care for the doujin. Some of the music is okay. I like touhou the same reason I like Rozen Maiden, cute girls in frilly dresses and hats.

Does having played only the spin-off games rather than the main games make you secondary?

>>10160126

Because some pretentious French guys said it was okay.

>>10160126
You fail at understanding how words work again, anonymous.

The slut version are not the same as the canon version.
Let's use an example to make it easier for you:
Take Sanae for example.
Canon Sanae is a miko and playable character, and isn't constantly sucking dicks.
Slut Sanae appears in doujins and suck quite a large amount of dicks.

However, they are not the same person/character.

Take a chocolate cake reciepe.
Make two of them. Add alcohol in the second cake.
Both are chocolate cake, yes?
But one is withouut alcohol, while the other one has alcohol in it.
Some people like one better than the other, some people like both equally, some peole like one version and hate the other, some people like one version and don't care for the other.

Same with Sanae; Same with any touhou character - same with any character.

If you still have trouble understanding this, I highly suggest that you read books on semantics and quantum physics; I'd recommend "The Hidden Structure within Reality", but that's because I know the author personnally.

>>10160625
What I meant is that you fucks (>>10160633;>>10160642;>>10160695>>10160720;>>10160777)
Are arguing about how to use words because you all link them to a different concept, and thus use the same word to take about two(or more) distinct things; and that never brings anything fruitful.

>>10164298
addendum to the reply to >>10160126 (and to the thread in general, I guess):

As long as you recognise and the slut Sanae, or anything not canon, isn't canon; as long as you don't try to make it look like, or go even as far as as to believe it is canon, as long as you know it is just your personal or a shared fantasy, then it is OK.

However, filling the blanks in canon in a coherent way and hoping for it to be canon; or even suposing that's how it is in canon is also OK, for as long as you don't force other people to accept it as canon.
Just take ZUN's answer to "why character don't have voices ?" (paraphrasing); he just replied something like "[ just use your imagination and give them a voice that you think might suit them, I won't give them a voice because we might have different idea on how they sound]" So either he's incredibly lazy and makes silly excuses or he did it on purpose because he's an idealist; or even both.
Fact is, ZUN clerarly states he didnt introduce some canon material because it would block everyone else's interpretation/imagination.

Though, that still makes IOSYS-tier stuff a mere fantasy irrelevant to canon; and anyone who think that IOSYS is canon should be called a secondary and heavily bullied.

Woah, I expected just a couple answers. I have to bump this now and take a more proper look when I wake up.