/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I really want to learn hiw to speak and write jap
But im broke cant afford classes

Most denizens of Gensokyo are illiterate.

Starting again today.

Third time's the the charm!

Hah. I have over 200 of those papers, written in the tiniest of script, on the margins with no whitespace between characters, on both sides.

Yet I've forgotten how to recall and write out of memory, the majority of kanji.

It wasn't all a waste of time though. It made it much more fun and easier (albeit time consuming) to memorize kanji, and it did godly for my handwriting. You just gotta practice forever if you wanna be able to recall kanji from memory.

>Yet I've forgotten how to recall and write out of memory, the majority of kanji.
That's impossible for me. I can recognize most of the 500 kanji I've learned, but recalling and writing them, I just can't do.
Well, actually it's the same for everything with me. If asked to list some books I've read, I'd have serious problems, but answering if I have or haven't read a certain book is easy.

Japanese people have written articles about a lot of students can't write for shit because IME input only needs you to be able to recognize Kanji, not actually write it out.

>>10155665
Are you using Heisig?

>>10155669
Traditional mails will die out in Nippon. No more love letters.

>writing kanji

Ahaha wow dude

you're doing it wrong OP
you must not write the same kanji over and over again, diversity is important or else it will become mechanical

>>10155678
I'm using the "pick a new kanji, write it down a few times, and find a word I know that uses that kanji so I can remember it" method.
At this point I don't even know why people buy those books. If you can learn one kanji, then you just have to loop that 2000 times.

>>10155678
It's not already dead there? It's amazing.

I only knew one person around my age who ever mailed letters. She liked to send handwritten letters to her friends. The recipients would usually reply online.

>>10155684
>GREENTEXT
Ahaha OH WOW DUDE
surprisexD:))))))))))))))))
XD

>posting on /jp/
>2012
XXXXDDD

Oh WOW dude

>2012
AAHAHAHA WOW DUDE

>2013
AHAHAHAHAA OHHHHHWWWOOOW Dude

>>10155684
well, I sometimes write kanji, but not like the faggot OP
I am aware that I will only write them through keyboard so I write them just to help myself remember the "general shape" without any concern for handwriting

I use the read-Japanese-until-you-find-a-kanji-you-don't-know-then-look-it-up method of learning.

>>10155702
epic :)

>>10155705
actually a good method

Somebody should do a guide like "Japanese for gaming".

It would cover all the recurring kanji for shit like points or enemies or kill that appear in say, old NES games or in the HUD of newer games. Naturally, it wouldn't go into grammar territory unless it was for some reason necessary, not that I can think of one.

I'd read it, anyway. In fact, I might even do it myself.

>>10155710
It's somewhat inefficient because you can end up looking up the same kanji many times because you've forgotten it, but frequently you can remember from context. You need to know a little bit to get started. I'm too impatient to focus if I've got something like a big box of flashcards in front of me so this is the best for me.

>>10155712
For NES games it takes about 5 hours to learn all that.

They all use Hiragana and Katakana,

>>10155716
Oh, so you mean that sort of "looking up".

seriously? What's the point of looking up something and not learning it totally afterwards?
The goal is not to read the text, the goal is to use reading the text as an excuse to learn kanji.

>>10155631
i have no motivation ;_;

>>10155719
knowing kana != knowing vocabulary

>>10156378
vocab =/= hard

I got a set of "Japanese for busy People" books from my mom. They seem alright, if not better than my High School textbooks.

>>10155654
Or you can just use Heisig and review when Anki tells you to.

>>10156442
I looked at the ebook for that years ago.

It was literally a phrasebook for tourists.

>>10156340
I heard most stupid people don't.

I've decided just to wait for a universal translator that can translate anything into english

>>10156503
why don't you have motivation?

I like writing kanji with a marker because I write them on pieces of paper so they're large, and have thicker lines. It reminds me of kanji being written with a brush and ink, I think seeing larger thick lines helps me learn the kanji more easily because I'm better able to see the image in my mind instead of seeing little scratches on a page. What types of things do you guys do?

It's time you guys face reality.

You will never learn Japanese.
You will never see to Japan.
You will never live the dream.

>>10156600
omg all thes feels :(((
u 4get ur greentext tho

>>10156498
It actually represents the concepts of grammar and general "flow" rather well. I think it will provide a good foundation for my studies, I hope.

Learning Japanese isn't worth the time.

Dedicate your time to something that will accomplish more than allowing you to play a handful of obscure games.

>>10156600
>see to japan

huh?

All it takes is money and determination.

>>10156600
I must inform you that /jp/ will never face reality regardless. And that's what makes /jp/ so different from everyone else. We are much more foolish than the rest of the world.
But by this, /jp/ might be foolish enough to actually pursue the "dream," and maybe... just maybe... might be able to achieve it.

>>10156600
Yeah you're right we should just browse this board instead

>>10156655
aww )))): little kid is nipponese 2hard4u?
;_____; poor u2be so stupid >,_,> <,_,<
mayb watc ur american tv shows? ;_;
mayb gob2 /a/ and watc subbed animay?? )))):
)))))))),:

>>10156600
>You will never learn Japanese.

Doing well so far.

>You will never see to Japan.

I don't want to go to Japan. Why would I?

>>10156655

>>10156655
>work sends me to germany
>learn german
>work sends me to hong kong
>pick up enough chinese to get by
>work sends me to the philippines
>Don't really have to learn tagalog because everyone wants to impress me with how well they know english
>Work sends me to spain
>learn spanish and constantly get mocked for my shitty accent
>work sends me to japan
>learn a bit of japanese but coworkers have to help me out

I really only learned languages because they were relevant to my job.

>>10156655
I'd go as far as saying that the MAJORITY of actually good games never gets translated.

>>10156747
lol epic greentet br/a/h

>>10156727
By the way, images like these on 4chan will go overheads of many people here.

>>10155716
How do you deal with the grammar part?

So far, I'm starting to recognize more and more kanji by just looking them up and remembering them, but grammar is still a pain in the ass.
Should I just grind Tae Kim's guide?

>>10156790
You get a textbook and study properly rather than half-assing until you think you have things down.

>>10156766
Here's the one with text then.

>>10156727
the fox could just jump up and get them

>>10156832
Then he'd fall down and break his neck you dumpass.

Is there any point in learning Japanese if I don't really like visual novels that much?

I want to be able to play a few untranslated games (Yakuza Kenzan, Yakuza 5) but that's it. Unless there's a ton of other good untranslated games that I don't know about which aren't visual novels then I have trouble justifying the idea of spending two years learning a language to play two games.

>>10155712
More importantly we really need terminology for discussions about videogames. We borrowed a few japanese terms like "danmaku" or "okizeme" in the west but there are thousands of concepts I don't know the Japanese translation of. Hell, half of them are probably just the English word in katakana, but it'd still be nice to know which ones.

>>10156844
Perhaps lurking 2ch, Futaba and Niconico. They seem nice.

>>10156844
If you enjoy other forms of video games then yes, otherwise probably not.

>>10156836
he's not a nerd like you

>>10156844
Well, do you read manga?

>>10156844
there are billions of untranslated manga and doujins

>>10156790
Yes, Tae Kim's grammar guide is the keyword. At least it was for me.

I wouldn't really call it grinding though. Whenever you see a grammar that you don't recognize, simply look it up. Although everything up until special expressions might be essential. (hence the name essential grammar) But you could probably enjoy reading a simple fun manga like よつばと and learn the essential stuff on the way.


I'm posting from a proxy now as the janitor got me banned because of my rude comment. Please forgive me meido.

>>10156864

Nah, not really.

>>10156874
You're asking for a perma ban for ban evasion. Also don't call the janitor meido.

>>10156600
Maybe some of us won't.
Maybe most of us won't.
Maybe so many of us will die from despair after having dreamt our whole lives and never having gotten anywhere.
Even so, it is us foolish /jp/ers who keep the dream alive.
And should just one of us make it, realise the dream, then it would have been all worth it.
To have dreamt the impossible just to give wings of dreams to the one fool who can actually learn to fly and reach the heavens.

Did you do your reps today, anon-kun?

>>10156790
>Should I just grind Tae Kim's guide?
Just read through it once or twice, and check back some of the complex chapters a few more times. Don't focus on learning how to use everything perfectly, just try to get a general feel of the grammar. Then read something simple, in which the action is easy to figure out, and the grammar will quickly make sense.

>>10156891
Nice surprise box, /a/non-kun.

>>10156886
I apologize, sir. Please don't be so heartless. I will stop now and go to sleep until my ban is over.

My handwriting is better than that.

That's chinese.

>>10156929
you're gonna have to sleep a long time to wait out a permaban

>>10156936
That's him practicing kanji, so writing them of many times over. That's why they're repeating.

>>10156911
Thank you. The problem I have with grammar is always getting lost in tables and having the feelings that there are too many rules.
(I got to learn English grammar by having a good book on that aspect).

I'll try it that way.

I'll also try reading Yotsuba and other such manga and checking the vocabulary and grammar as I read. I can't believe I have never thought about doing this before.

>>10156961
nigga dey all chinese..

>>10156953
It's still chinese.

>>10156965
Not funny, dude.

Just so you people know, Tae Kim's guide is not enough for you to be able to read well. It's a good quick online reference if you forget something, though. If you want to learn seriously you need to get a real textbook.

>>10156874
I read the English ones on koiwai.biz, where can I find the Japanese ones?

>>10156727
Foxes don't ear grapes.
Checkmate.

>>10156989
I think you can download it pretty much everywhere by searching "yotsuba raw" on google. Also it's only pictures, so it won't take much time anyway.

>>10157011
>Both red and gray foxes will eat cultivated grapes, raspberries, and other fruit, but they usually don’t bother garden vegetables.

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/foxes/tips/solving_problems_with_foxes.html

>>10156977
"Nigga dey all Chinese" was a joke about some Negros trying to play a game using a controller with Kanji on it.

NIGGA HOW I SHOOT
PRESS THE CHINESE BUTTON
NIGGA THEY ALL CHINESE

>>10156981
I strongly disagree. I feel that I understand what I read very well now, and all I had was Tae Kim's grammar guide, an electronic dictionary (gjiten) and lots of reading practice.

I remember the difficulties I've had in the past with reading Japanese. I feel that my comprehension is in great contrast with that time and I can't imagine it getting better.

>>10156989
I personally just ordered the manga as I didn't have a laptop at that time so I had to constantly sit upright to read it. (if you choose to do so, I recommend `honto.jp'. Please don't use amazon, they only offer DHL/Fedex shipping which costs arms and legs)

It shouldn't be very hard to find them either. You can probably even find them on /rs/.


I'm really sorry, Sir Janitor. I promise I'll go to sleep now.

>>10157017
>>10157051
Thank you.

Just wanted to recommend "Japanese: A Comprehensive Grammar" by Routledge.
It's not so much a learning guide but a reference manual. Don't know how a certain structure works exactly? You look it up and it _will_ be in the book. It's more than 600 pages long.
Useful.

>>10157051
How do you keep track of learnt kanji (if you do)?

And don't get banned please ;_;

>>10157091
>>10156916

>>10156600

>>10157814
How profound

>>10156600

:)

>>10157818

I got a ton of motivationals, just for those of you who think you can't.

I wish. I can't learn Japanese to save my life ;_;

>>10157824
Let's not.

>>10157824
Comfort is good
Nothing wrong with being average and mediocre if you're in the comfort zone.

>>10157859

>>10157901

>>10158071
I fear suspicious guys wearing hoodies and sitting crouched in dark places.

>>10158090

>>10158071
>>10158108


These have never pulled a person who was actually depressed out of a slump and are only for show on normal peoples facebooks and shit.

I think that people who are truly depressed and afraid of the world will likely never get over it and those that do wont do it because you told them to RIDE THE TIGER.

>>10158138
They might work for people that are kinda indecisive.

>>10158142

I guess, but it still bugs me a little as somebody who "improved" his lifestyle through conscious effort.

>>10158108
Simply epic.

>>10158152

These are about conscious effort, you fuckwit.

These are designed to supplement one looking for a way out of a slump. You won't just sudddenly become the most driven man on earth just from one motivational picture.

(Maybe someone else will though)

>>10158178
And not a minute of it was inspired by stupid pictures like these, I mean, nor do I find them helpful after the fact.

#YOLO your heart out though, whatever works.

>>10158178
People don't get motivated from images. They get motivated when their life is in danger and no other time.

>>10158200

See
>>10158071

>>10158200
I'm actually getting motivated by them, please don't ruin my dreams ;_;

Stop posting motivationals kudasai.

>>10158205


As someone who's been continuously improving as a result of these pictures, I'd say you just proved nothing.

Each of us navigates our lives differently.

Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work. This is the same shit our bilingual folk tell others trying to learn other languages.

Just do what works. I'm simply providing another way of it working.

Nice headphones OP! I have the same ones.

>>10158214

>>10158254
>you can whatever you want
>whatever you want
I want to destroy the world.

I already am

>>10158295
what a nerd

>>10158288
I always figured people who got motivated by them usually end up doing something suicidal like that.

>>10158295
How do you manage to get them so pretty? My ones always end up sucking.

>>10158295
Dude, why don't you go study something relevant like math?

>>10158305
Damn straight

>>10158312
Paying attention to stroke order, practice, and autism.
>>10158318
I can already do calculus, and I don't need anything higher.

>>10158319
>Brake 3pm to 3:20pm
You might want to check to see if your instructor knows English before letting them test you for any other language.

>>10158325
Why would you need to know English to test someone's Japanese?

>>10158323
Then go program some shit and earn money.

anyone else take the JLPT yesterday/today?

>>10158344

>>10156478

I can't seriously be the only Japanese guy on /jp/ can I?

>>10158435
What do you mean? Are you a citizen of Japan, and learned Japanese as your first language? Or do you just have Japanese parents?

>>10158435
I'm right here, what's up?

>>10158108
why couldn't they just write it in times new roman

>>10158439
I was born In Japan and was taught English at a fairly early age, I've also visited a few different countries growing up.

>>10158497
Translate games for us kudasai!

>>10158435
I'm black

>>10158512
me too.

>>10158497
There aren't many like you here? Why would there be? When my Japanese gets better I'm going to stop posting here. I hate 4chan.

>>10158528
There aren't many of you here.*

Didn't mean it to be a question.

>>10158528
You can hardly assume that everyone else hates 4chan as much as you do.

>>10158532
I'm not assuming that. But there are better places to go to, especially if you aren't limited to English.

I'm a Japanese-American with dual citizenship. I can speak, read, and write both languages. Do I win the e-cred contest?

>>10158539
Yeah like ylilauta.

>>10158528
Other sites can be kinda slow.

Hello guys I'm fiipino!

Romaji is for plebs

>>10158550
Do you enjoy a lot of weeaboo things in their native language?

Jelly at my mad Japanese skillz, /jp/?

お歳暮を贈る。

>>10161497
>chink

I just started learning a few days ago.
I'm not sure how you guys deal with katakana. There's just so many that seem alike.

Hiragana was easy though.

i dont know why i am still bothering to go through my writing reps for kanji/vocab when all i want to do is read. its so hard to just suspend those cards after putting in so much effort

am i retarded?

Can any of the touhous speak english? I remember that marissa could read a bit of esperanto. If she could do that she probably knows english.

>>10164614
I don't know how you deal with English, bdqp all look the same to me. Same with I and l.

>>10164658
I know right? English is an awful language

>>10164605
A spic version of that pic would be more accurate.

>>10155647
you don't need classes to learn japanese, there are many free and good resources

>>10161397
wtf dude

>>10164658
FUCK i hate that fucking smug face with the eyes

its like tsu and n and shi and shit, fuck that smug face

>>10165047
is my handwriting that atrocious
>>10165099
same here. For some reason all my "ツ"'s come out as smiley's.

>>10165099

The existence of the smiley face and ability to count to ten are all I remember from 6 years of Japanese in primary school.

fug

You guys always talk about how to learn kanji, but never how to learn the kana. I'd like to join the epic learning-Japanese crew of /jp/.

So what's the best method for learning kana? Any cool websites or anything?

>>10165288
/a/ has thread about it weekly and it's generally not discussed on /jp/.

>>10165288
realkana.com
Also the language board on here

>>10165304

/a/ is really scary though, with their epic memes, misused spoilers, and non-existent quotations.

>>10165288
Namasensei's videos and
>>10165307

Once you go through them all once, make sure to go through the groups of similar looking characters paying attention to the bits that set them apart. Particularly for all the 7-looking katakana.

>>10165288
PS
pro tip: practice it regularry.
Also here's a site with practice sheets for Katakana and Hiragana.
http://japanese-lesson.com/resources/
>>10165312
it's only shitty 70-80% of the time.
The Japanese language threads tend to be clean.

>>10165318
>Namasensei's videos
not that shit again pls, realkana is enough

>>10165362

50 mother fuckin times in your notebook, YOU BITCH!

>>10165362
His mnemonics are useful, he's great for motivation, and you need to write the kana anyway if you want to actually learn it, so why not.

The rest of his videos aren't very good but the kana ones are solid.

>>10165375

I liked when he went to karaoke.

>>10158254
I think I'm late but have these images.
Does anyone have the 4chan guide to japanese? It had a lot of recommended sites and books.

>>10165429

>>10165429
This one?

>>10165460

>>10165460
Yes, may whichever deity you praise be kind to you.

>>10165466
i seriously usted to think telling people to use text books was a troll, but apparently you N3s think it actually helps

>>10167577
The good thing about those Japanese books is that the print is very high quality and professionaly done. It is a beautiful object and looks great in sitting in the bookshelf.

I have the official Tae Kim's grammar guide book and it looks like he just directly printed out his whole web page, wrapped it up in a silly orange paperback and slapped on a silly oversized type-writer font. He then added a paragraph in the preface that says `this is for people who prefer reading on dead trees'.

Well, at least that book has proved useful.

>>10156520

Never going to happen and even if it did it'd be shit.

>>10165460
>>10165466
Stop posting these.

>>10168560
I agree. Even the top one is the most horrible.

Do you use Anki for learning kanji? What card layouts you use for it?

>>10169306
Yes.

>>10169306
The Kanjidamage one.

>>10169306
Use Heisig's RTK. It's not perfect but it's better than Kanjidamage

>>10169306
KD, I can't stand heisig's stupidity. You just gotta look at either one and choose whichever looks less dumb to you.

>>10169306
I use the deck:

Heisig Remembering the Kanji 1+3 with 2010 joyo kanji

I review by looking at the keyword and then writing the kanji

Rosetta Stone

>>10165375
>he's great for motivation

Is that really necessary, though? Kana should only take a couple of days at most. It's such a small part of the learning the language. If you're going to need motivation it will be for the rest of the shit you're going to have to deal with.

>>10169362
>KD, I can't stand heisig's stupidity.

Is it opposite day?

Kana is so easy

Did anyone else who used Heisig have a laugh when you got to 窒?

>>10169370
In my opinion that's the single part you need the MOST motivation for - sure the rest takes much more time, but the beginning, just learning all those weird squiggles is the most important.

Most people are aware that it's just the tip of the iceberg, so if they feel like it's hard they're going to be most likely to give up completely.

Once you've learned kana, even if you know nothing else, the feeling when you first time look at a picture or a manga page with, say, sound effects in Japanese, and can actually read them, is often enough motivation for people to keep going for a while after.

>>10169387
Well, whatever works for you. I just know I knocked the kana out of the way without much trouble, but there many time I wanted to give up when learning kanji. It was a battle to get through that.

>>10169370
No, it's not necessary at all. I hadn't heard of Namasensei before after I had learned the Kana.

It's very simple and there's only 92 of them. Just write each of them until you memorize it, then review until you're able to recall every single one. Cut up into sizable chunks as necessary.

This should be obvious if you've ever memorized something. I've never understood all the fuzz around learning the Kana. Now, kanji is something to fuzz about.

>>10169408
>Just write each of them until you memorize it

Personally I think Heisig's book on kana is really good. The mnemonics are pretty silly but he says he'll teach you the kana in 6 hours for each system, and it works.

>>10169355
>>10169363
Downloaded the RTK 1+3 deck. Where are the readings?
I can make my own deck, but I'm a bit confused about the amount of information I should put into the cards.
>>10169387
Didn't work for me. I learned kana without difficulties a year ago, but got demotivated by the amount of kanji and the difficulties I had memorizing them.
I used a textbook that time, now I'm going to try again with Tae Kim's guide. Still scared by kanji, though.

Another question: where can I find a lot of simple texts to practice reading? It's much easier for me to memorize new words this way.

>>10169419
>Downloaded the RTK 1+3 deck. Where are the readings?

RTK1 teaches the meanings and writings of the jouyou kanji
RTK2 teaches the readings of the jouyou kanji
RTK3 teaches the meanings and writings of more advanced kanji

So there won't be any readings. If you're going to use Heisig you should go through the book and not just use the deck. Most people skip RTK2 and learn the readings through vocab since RTK2 is rather.. uh, well just look at it and I'm sure you'll understand.

If you don't intend to go through the RTK book you might as well get a different deck.

>>10169419
>Another question: where can I find a lot of simple texts to practice reading? It's much easier for me to memorize new words this way.

The Core 2000 and Core 6000 decks have vocab, with audio recordings, and example sentences, with audio recordings. If you want the ones with the audio already built int download the decks named Japanese Core 2000 Step 01 or something like that. It's the ones divided into steps.

>>10169433
I will say though that if kanji are giving you a lot of trouble, then Heisig is probably your best resource. The guy is a miracle worker. Not memorizing readings at the same time will also lighten the load and make it easier. Divide and conquer, basically. If you end up doing it try to get through it quickly, though, since it doesn't teach kanji in frequency order, but the order that will be easiest to learn them, so it may not carry direct results into your other studies until you're finished.

>>10169416
I learned the kana in 4 hours for each system. Why don't you go suck Heisig's dick somewhere else, faggot?

If only you guys would just do pimsleur, you'd be able to watch anime by now without subs

>>10169462
No I think I'll do it here, thanks.

>>10169468
I need to read, though. That's the difficulty.

>>10169462
>I learned the kana in 4 hours for each system.

Congrats but many people apparently have a lot of difficulty with them and need extra help.

I wonder if the Japanese have systems for remembering the English alphabet, because it's so complicated and all.

>>10169476
They do.

How are you?
ハウ・アー・ユー

Why learn the roman alphabet when you can use the one everybody already knows?

>>10169487
>Why learn the roman alphabet when you can use the one everybody already knows?

Are you serious? Reliance on the Japanese syllabary is one of the reasons Japanese people's English sounds so fucked.

>>10169438
I wasn't speaking about decks, more about something for practice. But it looks good, I'll try it. Thanks.
>>10169445
Thanks, but I'll probably stick with more conventional way(radicals, readings).

>>10169492
Do whatever works for you, just remember the conventional way isn't always the best, and isn't necessarily the most well suited for adult foreign learners.

Post the "you cannot learn japanese" one

Fuck this が particle.

If I'm already stuck trying to figure out this how the HELL am I supposed to get the rest of the grammar?

>>10169623
By actually dedicating yourself to learning rather than posting on /jp/.

>>10169623
If the resource you are using does not explain it in a way that helps you then look somewhere else.

>>10158295
how does your desk look like? I'm curious.

>>10157033
sauce
?

>>10169860
What do you mean?

>>10169948
the video it mentions. Just wondering if anyone has a link to the video

Do you all have a time table on how you learn? I just do 1 hour of grammar and an hour on vocab and Kanji.

>>10170016
I just decide how much I want to learn each day and then spend however long it takes to do it; e.g., I'll normally do 50 kanji a day, and so I'll spend about four hours doing it.

>>10170009
Ah, the video did sound interesting.

However, after some searching around it seems like there is no video. Someone on /v/ simply found the odd chinese game controller, found it amusing, and wrote a copy pasta to accompany the image. It has since become a meme.

Disappointing as I'd like to see those niggers.

>>10170016
I have the "get the job done" attitude.

>>10170016
I put down all my time on vocab. 4-7 hours on work days and 10 hours+ on weekends. Kind of stopped doing Kanji a while ago. I still do the occasional kanji reps whenever the due pile comes up to like 300+ though.

>>10170133
here's a spoiler for you

Kanji is vocabulary

>>10170179
Fuck off, idiot. Stop posting that stupid shit in every Japanese thread. Kanji is used to write vocabulary, but a kanji character is not necessarily in itself a vocabulary word.

>>10170189
Yes it is.

>>10170016

I spend an hour adding new stuff into my anki each day, kanji, words, and example sentences.

then i spend however long it takes to review my anki decks (1-2 hours)

I also try and do something japanese during the day, such as watch a raw anime or read something in japanese, listen to music whatever.

>>10170189
you're right
it's not just a word;single kanji character is usually many different words that share a synonymous meaning

So I wanted to learn Japanese so I've been going over hiragana and katakana and going through kanjidamage. My question is, when I learn, say, 水 it'll give me the onyomi, すい, and the kunyomi, みず. So I learn from this that water is pronounced みず and written as 水. So, going through kanjidamage will not just teach me kanji but will also teach me the vocabulary? Or is there a better option for learning vocabulary?

>>10170198
I tried to learn with anki, but most of per-made flashcards are some sort of retarded shortened versions that don't include half of pronunciations

>>10168560
>>10168587

What's wrong with them?

Genuine question because I've been saving images like these so I can refer to them.

>>10170192
What vocabulary word is 囚 ?

>>10170215
囚.

>>10170215

>>10170217
>>10170218
It itself is not a word. It means captive, yes, but for it to be a word you will have to combine it with another kanji or hiragana. A kanji is not the same thing as a word. You're fucking retarded.

List of words using 囚:
http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E5%9B%9A+&eng=&dict=edict

>>10170206
okay, looks like there is a misunderstanding on your part

Kanji is composed of four parts
1. How it looks-in this case it's 水
2. What it means-in this case, it's "water"
3. How you read it in kun yomi-in this case, it's みず
4. How you read it in on yomi-in this case, it's すい

Learning kanji means learning all of the points above
you can't skip any of them. knowing how to write it is useless if you don't know what it means, and knowing what it means is useless if you don't know how to read it since meaning usually changed depending on how it is read.

>>10170189
水　火 地　風　虫　雲 etc.

>>10170225
combine it with other kanji or kana*

>>10170218
It's still not a word, and can't be recognized as any form of addition to vocabulary.

That print just says that it uses "shuu" as onyomi along with an example word with trailing okurigana after it.

>>10170225

>You're fucking retarded

Hey! Mean! I wasn't paying attention to the argument and posted what Rikaichan gave to be helpful.

>>10170225
I mean captured not captive. Typo.

>>10170239
yeah, I don't get why he is so stressed
is it some sort of defense-through-aggression tactic?

>>10170250
No it's because I've been arguing with the same idiot in several threads about this. >>10170239 isn't him.

日本語話せねえ人って何なのｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
ゴミ以下だろｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>10170260
but how do you know that
and why are you arguing in the first place

and he has a point, too

>>10170278
>but how do you know that

I can tell. It's not hard.

>and why are you arguing in the first place

Because he's wrong.

>and he has a point, too

What point? He says all kanji are vocabulary words, and I have demonstrated they aren't.

>>10170234

Maybe I communicated my question my poorly, I am aware of those four parts.

>>10170312
>So, going through kanjidamage will not just teach me kanji but will also teach me the vocabulary? Or is there a better option for learning vocabulary?

No, it does not teach you vocabulary, unless you go through the jukugo section of every kanji, which I wouldn't recommend doing before you know most of it.

The best option would be grinding through the Core decks. I'm using the anki deck JapaneseCorePlus and it has all vocab from JLPT1-5 along with everything from the Core decks. Has around 25k words.

I'd recommend doing this deck after you've covered the most basic shit though, like JLPT4-5 vocab.

The onyomi aids a lot in both memorization and recognition of kanji, some say it's useless but I wouldn't agree on that. I can average 100 words+ almost every day because of this, while the people skipping it probably has it harder than me, and this is something I, myself has discovered whenever I encounter compounds that are FPed(fucked pronounciation) I usually have to spend some time on them before I get them.

>>10170369
>and recognition of kanji

Meant jukugo.