/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I hear /a/ has daily japanese learning threads
you will probably find more help there
godspeed

Is that code?

Are you a hacker!?

Look it up in the archive, loser. This thread pops up every fucking day at least twice.

everyday eroge.

try nihongomaster. com

points for completing drills and leaderboard keep you motivated

>>10125886

Watch anime, try to pay attention to what they say, not the subs. Before doing this, finish at least the essential grammar of Tae Kim. Then start picking up vocabulary and learn kanji either with RTK or KD. Practice everyday, read something in japanese, or watch something, or anything like that. You have three ways of learning japanese :
1 - Japanese school - It will take you fucking years if you don't do it by yourself at home too.
2 - Having fun - Watch anime, read manga, play games with japanese dubs but english text, pay attention to what they say, watch japanese TV (there's an official program around I think), develop your own techniques. For example, a friend of mine talks with japanese people all the time, and sometimes she records her own voice saying something, and then she compares with what people say on TV.
3 - By yourself, at home - Do your reps. Write kanji down several times. Learn japanese grammar, practice it, repeat step 2 for better results. If you do it right, in 4 years you'll be almost fluent. In 2 years, you'll be able to read some eroge. And if you want help, check those random IRC channels, or ask japanese speakers by themselves. There are some sites where they throw out their skype usernames, so you can add them and talk with them. You can put up your skype too, if you want. There's also the japanese thread on /a/. Now please don't make more japanese threads on /jp/ unless you want to ask for a specific grammar or things like that. Also we need a urgent pasta for these threads.

How is making money from betting high amount of money on certain-to-win bets?

Also what's the best deck on Anki for learning kanji?

>>10125886
what is the purpose of you learning japanese ?

>>10126059
Some people like to have fun.

>>10126059
Studying there > Living there > Japanese.

Whenever somebody speaks to me online politely I get the feeling they are a beginning student and I don't want to read anything they typed.

>>10126066
I wouldn't recommend you to learn Japanese with animes.

anyway if you want to live in future in Japan , finish your uni and if you want to do something more than to be language teacher have some working exp. in your home country and learn how to write japanese.
>>10126120
its probably cause the first thing they learn is how to speak politely and its more useful to learn that first for people who want to work or move to Japan.

>>10126120
You're missing out on gems such as 私は学ぶの日本語です and "you can also write 際　as 才"

>>10125893
fastcart

>>10126143
>私は学ぶの日本語です
omg, I'm pretty much a beginner but even I lol'd at that

I guess people whose first foreign language is Japanese might be making mistakes like that though-I don't have any problems with understanding Japanese grammar since it's often resembling other languages I know

>>10126234
I suppose he tried saying "I study Japanese" by just translating the individual words and not bothering with grammar/word order whatsoever.

Japan needs to get nuked again for the name of humanity and edge.

Fuck people who say don't learn from anime. Of course it's not how people speak in Japan, but you can really gauge your progress by seeing how much you understand and trying to infer meaning and also just recognizing grammar and structure and shit.

>>10126252
it's "in" not "for"

>>10126252

Should work on English before you tackle Japanese, buddy.

>>10125965
What a load of shit. You can study by yourself and be reading eroge in 6 months or less if you are dedicated.

>>10126269
sure, but it's hardly "learning"

however, I imagine that reading VNs and manga with a dictionary after you've learned few hundred kanji can be productive
you know, practical skills and shit

even if you know all kanji if you're not experienced enough reading a single line may take you forever

>>10126269
learning and gauging your progress are two different things so you shouldn't get mad about things you agree with

How to read Japanese as quickly as possible:

1. Learn kana using whatever method. This should take two days.
2. Grind through RTK1 w/ supplement. This should take you no longer than three months.
3. Go through an intensive grammar book, like Introduction to Modern Japanese. If the book is good you should leave with a good knowledge of grammar and 2,000+ words vocab. Take your time with this so you understand.

Now you can read. You will be slow and you'll be looking up words a lot, though, but this will decrease over time as you learn more and grow in fluency. Grind core 2000 and 6000 decks on the side if you wish to help with vocab and more listening/sentence practice.

>>10126318
Also make sure to use Anki or something else which utilizes SRS for kanji and vocab. But I guess that goes without saying.

>>10126318
>Learn kana .. this should take two days.
If it took only 2 days I would have learned Japanese ages ago.

>>10126336
If you can't learn kana (hiragana, at least) in two days, you will never succeed in Japanese. Seriously.

>>10126336
Do people really have this much trouble with kana? If you have lots of free time you can easily do hiragana one day and katakana the next.

Can we just create a one stop copypasta for threads like these right here?

Suggestions to include:
- Anki
--Core2k&6k
--Jouyou Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana
- Heisig
- TaeKim/Kanjidamage
- Genki→Tobira→Kanzen Master
- Maybe a link to Nukemarine's guide
- Suggestions for beginner Manga, LN, VN (Yotsuba?)

Anything else?

>>10125886
>I started watching when I was 8.
>So I have been listening to Japanese almost everyday for about 8 years
Reported for being underage.

>>10126343

>>10126343
just copy the op of /a/s daily threads
>>>/a/75349719

>>10126343
Why would you suggest Genki when you already have Tae Kim's guide? Having both seems like a lot of redundancy.

>>10126359
Some people prefer it? I dunno.

>>10126340
>>10126339
I'm not the best person at studying since I never built a habit for it in school, but I can usually learn things if I just brute force it into my head. I worked on kana for a month ~3 hours a day and came out the end knowing about 12 of them. Japanese is the only thing I have ever given up on learning once I began, it just tore me apart trying to learn all those characters and how to say them.

>>10126371
Try using mnemonics instead of brute force. Being able to associate the squiggly lines with something sensible in your mind helps out a lot.

>>10126371
>I worked on kana for a month ~3 hours a day and came out the end knowing about 12 of them

Just give up.

>>10125886
>white people

>>10126355
Ok, so
- Intro to Modern Japanese Grammar
- Google IME + Installation instructions
- Rikaichan/kun
- Online dictionaries
- Advice on whether to take formal classes or not and when it's beneficial and when it's not.

Anything else?

>>10125886
i cant STOP laugh

Do you guys prefer Google or Microsoft IME? I am trying out Google IME right now and it seems pretty good.

I've been mainly working on kanji because its more manageable for me than actually forming/reading sentences and using grammar.

I know its awful and I"m never going to get anywhere, but even after reading some of Tae Kims guide I feel like a see a sentence and have no idea whats going on in it, none of the concepts are basic like in the guide, and theres stuff Ive never even seen before

>>10126416
Google IME is better by infinity. The only thing it lacks is handwriting recognition, but that's easy enough to get around.

>>10126423
Use a real grammar book

>>10126416
I use google IME now but I think I messed it up some how and I'm not sure how. Whenever I type something in katakana and hit space it doesn't give me kanji options but instead just gives me a list of it in different fonts or somethign

>>10126340
Taking a few days to learn the kana by yourself isn't "having trouble", university level Jcourses can spend a full semester on it.
Plus some of us like to spend most of the day browsing 4chan or playing videogames, it has nothing to do with difficulty.

>>10126434
>university level Jcourses can spend a full semester on it.

I laughed hard

>Plus some of us like to spend most of the day browsing 4chan or playing videogames, it has nothing to do with difficulty.

Then give up because you have no dedication and will never get anywhere.

>>10126426
this

>>10126438
I'm dedicated to having a good time.

>>10126424
Why is it better?

>>10126423
>I've been mainly working on kanji because its more manageable for me than actually forming/reading sentences and using grammar.

I did that aswell. Grinded all kanji off kanjidamage with kunyomi and onyomi readings, took me about 6 months, with hours and hours of grinding per day.

I later realized that grinding onyomi wasn't that smart around half-in, and because of this I just kept on going.

But since I had done kunyomi aswell, I still had a reasonable amount of vocab under my belt involving okurigana.

Went through Tae Kim in the matter of 2 months, did some translation work on already translated LNs and compared it to the already translated source. For compounds I didn't know I just looked them up through radicals, or typing in other compounds involving one of the kanji.

Contemplating whether I should grind the HELL out of Core2k or better my vocab through LNs. I still do my Anki reps every day though.

>>10125990
>the best deck on Anki
imo it depends what you want to learn. I learn only from vocabulary for all JLPT levels. When you learn from decks that only has kanji (you receive it from dictionary anyway), you'll only know the readings, but you won't know about how is that kanji used, or is it really necessary to know all the readings. Learning the vocabulary = learning the readings after all.

>>10125965
>watch anime
dude, you know about dialects and such? many characters adds something in the end of the sentence, like de geso or simply desu. recommending watching anime for beginner is a huge mistake, beginner-kun could rely on them too much, so he'll remember structures that should not be used or rude (in japs opinion) words. besides there is a difference between how woman and men talk, how beginner can know that?
better check out vns or articles with dictionary, op.

>>10126318
>RTK
i don't get it, is it that good?

>>10126343
>genki
oh my, not that shit again.

>>10126401
>online dictionaries
jisho is enough
I'd add that learning from native is shit
what about lang-8? I think it's good place to practise

>>10126416
microsoft ime here

>>10126491
>grinded all kanji
do you repeat them regularly?

sorry for my english, I'm trying my best learning in my mother language, but I'm also using english resources, so I think my post might be helpful.

>>10126684
>i don't get it, is it that good?

Yes. It teaches you the writings and meanings of all jouyou kanji in a very short time. Readings can of course be learned through vocab like you said.

>>10126684
>do you repeat them regularly?

Yeah, through Anki. I do vocab reps along with that.

How come I don't see memrise recommended often?
I use anki sometimes but I prefer memrise because it is easy, has audio pronunciations without me doing anything, and is has a neat system.

>>10126925
I personally think that memrise is a superior beginners version to anki. Theres audio and visual clues included and you learn the kanji/vocab before your tested unlike anki where your presented it like you already know it. The issue is theres a bunch of problems with memrise and wouldn't recommended it to anyone learning seriously other than the vocab expansion.
The first Issue is the decks themselfs. I know they updated to a new version, but all of the japnese decks are completely lacking. Even the Kanjidamage deck isnt complete. The second way is how you practice/learn it. It breaks everything up into blocks of 5 or 10 and you then practice that block of 5 or 10 with maybe a few extra thrown in. The "water all" only works with previous stuff that needs review and doesnt add new items. Also theres no limit on kanji or vocab. Without a daily limit your forced to remember how many sections you've learned so far for today or just end up doing less or more. After your done with your section your thrown out of the "learning mode" and back into menus which really fucks over your grove. I can go on but im just rambling at this point. I wish memrise was better since it helps in the beginning when you still might fuck up pronunciation or lack knowledge of the radicals and need a good mnemonic/visual to remind yourself.

>>10126318
>>10126355
Would you need to continue with their 2nd book? It says Exercises and Word Lists but that seems what core6k and practice reading would do.

俺は勉強が嫌いだ

>>10127301
Where the fuck is 士土?

>>10127478

This.

These bastards still fucking get me every now and again.

士 = Scholar
土 = Soil

....Right?

>>10127499
But they're the easiests to distinguish

>>10127478
and 名各?

>>10126684
But wait, searching for every single Kanji by radicals while reading a VN takes too long...

>>10127528
and 営宮?

>>10127543
Its called a Text hooker, google it.

OP's Japanese is comically bad. I hope he gives up.

>>10127607
Your mom's a text hooker

>>10127616
Say that that to my face nerd and see what happens.

>>10127301
sure, they are similar, but at that size, i can easily see the difference.

it baffles my mind how japs can see kanji on their pc and phones when its so small, and because everyone has low DPI, they look horrid.

The only 2 applications i use are Obenkyo and Kanji recogniser for my samsung galaxy note 2. the pen is so useful fro drawing kanji

Japan uses kanji better than China
Why is Japan so superior?

>>10127620
by not actually reading every single kanji and just looking at the overall shape of the words and guessing from context

>>10127620
Humans make assumptions about what comes next when listening/reading. You could literally insert blank spaces throughout a given text and more often than not it won't impede understanding at all.

>>10127638
>>10127637

like this text that gets posted every so often

>O lny srmat poelpe can raed tihs.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, t he olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rgh it pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs psas it on !!"

understandable even though there isn't a single correct word in it

>>10127659

amzanig.

>>10127659
I've always wondered - if english isn't my native language and I can read this text without the slightest problem, does that mean I have a decent level in english ? Or is it independent from language ?

>>10127731
It means you can read English fluently, not much else. It's just a matter of understanding the rhythm of a language, not being a master or whatever.

>>10127731
Its not just languages in general. Your mind remembers stuff in fragments as well. Thats why memonics use stories even though your learning one or two key words. Because when you remember the memonic your remembering in pieces and your automatically filling in the wholes yourself. The reason why it doesn't work if your not fluent is because your constantly looking for mistakes and would stop on the first word and start second guessing because thats what your training yourself to do.

>>10127749
Jesus christ, learn to use apostrophes, please.

>>10127301
I used Heisig so I can easily see the differences and distinguish them.

>>10127382
You're not going to understand the book if you don't know the words they are using. Also I don't think it would be a good idea to try and digest the whole book without exercises, to replicate what you're learning.

The quickest way to learn Japanese:
1. Get a Genie
2. Wish for more wishes
3. Wish for Japanese fluency
4. Wish for a monster truck

>>10127499
Mnemonics I used

士 gentleman, has broad shoulders and skinny waste

土 soil, ten feet of soil piled up on the ground

>>10127828
you epic anime reaction doesn't even look like she is saying that

>>10127828
The quickest way to learn Japanese:

1.learn japanese

What should I focus on if I can read simple VNs but grisaia gives me trouble?

>>10127877
what about it is giving you trouble?

>>10127877
focus in zun's Japanese

>>10127888
when characters are actually speaking voice or not it seems to go well but when they start describing certain things I get lost, I get some of it but after a couple lines it feel like I have no idea what is going on.

>>10127382
Also what I meant by using core 2000/6000 on the side was use it after you finish the book. Grind that on the side while you're reading. If you learn 2,000 words from a grammar book, you're not going to know enough words to read fluently. It's a good start to get you reading, but you'll need thousands more. So core decks can help speed it along if you want, while you add words that you don't know from VNs.

>>10125886
http://pastebin.com/KaWcfU4K
http://pastebin.com/xUufY26D
#l/a/nguage @ irc.rizon.net

Lost the recent thread, but they pop up in /a/ everyday.
ようこそ

>>10127301
It's amazing, before learning kanji, I thought this shit was all the same, but after finishing jouyou kanji these all look obviously different.

I guess it's all about familiarity

Studied abroad in Osaka for a year, final year of university.

1) 20 kanji a day, don't listen to these idiots and thing of them as 'hurr this looks like a man' it's stupid. Just drill them into your brain with flashcards.

2) 4 hours a day of grammer and you will be good to go in 5 months time. From there you study complex constructs used only in newspapers, essays and so on

3) Learn vocab as you go memorising words you don't understand in what you are reading, or drill it like kanji and get a vocab book of random words like how asians learn english

Done. ancient mystery of learning Japanese solved

>>10127926
>Just drill them into your brain with flashcards.

Dumb advice that will work for few people.

I had classes, back now.

- Anki
--Core2k&6k
--Jouyou Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana
- Heisig
- TaeKim/Kanjidamage→Tobira→Kanzen Master
- Maybe a link to Nukemarine's guide
- Suggestions for beginner Manga, LN, VN (Yotsuba?)

- Intro to Modern Japanese Grammar
- Google IME + Installation instructions
- Rikaichan/kun
- Online dictionaries
- Lange-8
- Advice on whether to take formal classes or not and when it's beneficial and when it's not.

Good now?

>>10127900
Not sure I get what you mean. Are you having trouble following the line of thought?

Is it possible to learn English and Japanese at the same time?

>>10127901
>>10127827
The point i was trying to ask was after I finish book 1 should I use core6 +VN's or use book 2 then core6 and VN's.
Also is core 10k redundant if Im just going to be adding my own words anyways? I saw a coreplus deck that has around over 20k entries.

With so many methods you guys speak about, I end up having no idea about how should I learn japanese.

>>10127949
I guess, for example at the beginning of grisaia there's that guy in the aloha shirt and the game goes through a big explanation of each action and what is going on and whenever I try to skip or try to ignore it I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of what is going on

Since narratives are different then the actual spoken language I'm not sure how to practice it, it feels like there is a trick to it that I never learned.

>>10127981
Just decide on your own method, there's no right or wrong.

>>10127975
Oh, okay. I understand now. You should be using book 1 and book 2 at the same time. Book 2 has the exercises and vocabulary for each chapter in book 1, so they complement each other.

Once you finish the book you can start reading simpler material, like vns or manga, and you can add words you don't know to an Anki deck.

You can also core the core decks on the side to give yourself more vocab if you want. That's all I was saying. And yeah there will probably be some redundancy if you do that, but Anki 2 (maybe 1 also but I'm not sure) has an option to find duplicate cards

>>10128002
can also do the core decks*

>>10128002
and of course if you already know something in one of the core vocab decks you can just suspend it and move on. you don't have to do every card. the example sentences will still give you practice at least.

>>10127985
It's just a matter of time and experience. Don't try to skip it.

>>10127975
Also the core decks that I would suggest would be the ones that are split up into steps, like Core 2000 Japanese Step 01 or whatever it's called. I like these because they split up the vocab word and the example sentences separately and have the audio recordings already built int, so you can get listening and reading practice at the same time. And if you come across a word you don't know you can suspend the vocab card and still use the sentence cards.

>>10128016
But does this mean I should drop grisaia and try something else or should I just try to think out every line and take it really slow?

>>10128031
If you're capable of taking it slow and making the stuff out, then I think the practice would probably be great for you. But if it's too hard for you then don't be afraid to find something simpler and come back to it later.

>>10128031
That's up to you. I've never given up on something because I thought it was hard. If you're able to understand by thinking it out, then it's not beyond your reach. Aside from using some tough idioms here and there, I didn't find the logical structure of Grisaia all that difficult.

>>10128031
If you dont mind rereading Girisia later I would stay and read over those sections very slowly. It will ruin some of the immersion aspect but will help you in the long run as you need practice with that. If you dont want to ruin it I would try to find another VN with similar dialouge, maybe more frequent, and grind through that. I also found that listening to podcasts with different people explaining/arguing about the same thing helped solidify that issue for me.

>>10128040
Alright I'll give it another shot I guess

>>10128041
I also seem to have the same problems with narratives and plain text in general even some manga is giving me trouble and LNs seem impossible, maybe I'm just so used to the spoken language I get scared when I see 3 lines of text

Thanks for the answers though I'm going to give it another shot

>>10128058
What kind of podcasts would you recommend?

>>10127607
What's wrong here.

>>10128025
>>10128013
>>10128002
Ok because someone recommended I only use the core10k, but I got worried that anki would mix up some of the more advance stuff early or that by the time I got to the later stuff I would have already been forced to learn it through casual reading and end up being redundant.

>>10128092
You have to choose right output line in the drop down menu with "GetGlyphOutlineW". Keep going through them till you get the one with the correct text you want to hook.

>>10128110
Yeah I read about that, but there isn't anymore options in the drop down. I tried them all. None work.

>>10128125
There are some games which text hookers don't work.

There might a method to make it work, but I don't really know it detailed
I had trouble with it just once, but I found it better to just try another eroge.

>>10128125
I havent used ITH in ages as I use chiitrans with all the translations options off except for micab and such. You can check for yourself here sites.google.com/site/chiitranslator/eng

>>10128187
It also can change furigana to hirigana which helps a bunch.

Speaking of chiitrans, what am I supposed to do if the text/Kanji doesn't get hooked properly? It only works with Grisaia and nothing else.
I have to switch to ITH for looking up unknown Kanji.

How to learn Japanese names when kanji?

>>10128749
pls

>>10126468
because you can become part of the botnet

proprietary software? no thank you!

>>10127659
>understandable even though there isn't a single correct word in it
I, of, the, to, a, it, in, was, be, not, but, as, and, you, on.

>>10128749
There's no magic trick for learning Japanese names. Even natives can get tripped up if the name has a non-standard reading. A good way to build up your name-reading skill is to start memorizing the names of celebrities and various Japanese people you like.

>>10128749
There's another set of readings for kanji, besides on'yomi, and kun'yomi called "Nanori". There is a list of kanji which can be used for names in Japan, from that list you need to learn the readings Tagaini Jisho (free downloadable dictionary, very good one), and Denki Jisho (online) is a pretty good dictionary when looking up nanori.

>>10129139
are pretty good dictionaries*

You can't find the list here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinmeiy%C5%8D_kanji

You can sometimes scroll down wiki pages for useful links too, keep stuff like that in mind when readings about this type of stuff.

>>10129135
>>10129139
>>10129176
thanks!

>>10127964
yes?

>>10127964
I don't think that's a good idea for an adult. Better to focus on one language at a time.

日本語より英語はそこまで難しいです！

pffffft, Japanese don't use the question mark. That's what the ka is for.

>>10129739
Some people drop the ka to simulate the speech difference, sort of like an accent. Unlike in real life, you can't hear the way a person says something, so they can just use a ? to signify that you're questioning something.

Instead of saying セイバーか, you can be a cute Japanese and say セイバー？.

>>10129739

That's just not true, Japanese use ！, ？, よ, and か all the time.

And you also can ask questions without using か

>>10126318
What do you mean by the w/ supplement with rtk?

>>10129829
List of jouyou kanji was updated by Japanese Ministry of Education in 2010 to include 196 more kanji, bringing it to 2,136 total. The last edition of Heisig was prior to this, so the new kanji were not included (though some were in RTK3). The new edition that's coming out soon has them, be's provided a supplement to volume 1 which has all of the jouyou kanji that were not included, so that you can use them with a previous edition. The link to download it from Nanzan Institute seems to be broken, but you can get it here too

http://www.scribd.com/doc/74791712/RTK1-Supplement-Newly-Approved-General-Use-Kanji

>>10129887
but he's provided*

>>10129887
>The new edition that's coming out soon
It came out 18 months ago.

>>10129739
You could have mythbusted that by yourself by, say, clicking the first question on yahoo answers:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1497621839

>>10129901
Yep, looks like you're right. I looked on Amazon and it said "In stock November 29, 2012" but I guess they just ran out. Didn't check the publish date.

>>10129912
Regardless, I don't think it's scanned, and I assume most people here aren't going to be buying things, so if they acquire one of the earlier scanned editions they'll need the supplement. If you buy the new edition you don't need it.

>>10129887
Do you need really need a supplement that badly for 200 more kanji? I mean, I understand wanting to build a solid ~2k base with RTK, but you're going to be learning the rest anyway afterwards if you need them.

>>10129941
If you don't want to use it, it's up to you. But RTK1 is supposed to teach all of the jouyou kanji, and the older editions are short now, so you need the supplement to get them all. Why not go ahead and add them in with the rest? It won't take that much longer.

>>10129957
Also the supplement is numbered so that the new kanji fit in where they should be in the book. Like, it will teach you 唄 in the beginning when you're learning stuff built from 口, 貝, 日, etc. So if you're just starting it won't feel like tacking something extra on at the end.

>>10125886
>私は学ぶの日本語です
this line doesn't make sense

>>10126371
>I worked on kana for a month ~3 hours a day and came out the end knowing about 12 of them

I don't know how you learn, but you are doing something wrong on a very basic level.

>>10129912
>>10129915
>>10129901
Does anyone have a pdf of the new edition? All im finding is the old edition. If not ill just add the supplement here >>10129887 at the end.

>>10129988
Amusingly, google managed to translate it properly.
You can feed it a perfectly valid sentence and it spits out gibberish but it has no problem with this apparently.

>>10130027

Maybe because the word order in that sentence is English? Word order is google translate's arch-enemy.

>>10130030
I haven't seen it scanned. If you use the supplement do it in conjunction with the book. See >>10129972

>>10130043
>Maybe because the word order in that sentence is English?
Oh, right.
I didn't even notice because I thought it was an attempt at 私が学ぶのは or something like that.

>>10126339
Only people with exceptional memorization can learn kana in two days.

>>10130081
>Only people with exceptional amounts of free time can learn kana in two days
fixed

Fuck I found it here https://www.pdffiller.com/edit.php?id=2680222 but for the hell of me cant figure out how to download it off this site.

>>10130081
if you aren't totally retarded you should be able to learn it in 2 or 3 hours

>>10130090
I'd argue that that's pretty much a prerequisite for learning most languages anyway.

>>10130101
You're exaggerating or more able to learn than the average university student. Is that what you wanted to hear?

>>10130101
You still need to give it about an hour a day for at least a week afterwords before you get it all down though.

I just downloaded Heisig's kana book and learned Hiragana and Katana in one evening and was reading tweets with rikaichan and I havn't lost them since.

The only thing you ever worry about is the really obscure katakana that's never used.

>>10130111
I used Heisig's book as well. He says that he will teach you them in 6 hours each and he does it, somehow.

>>10130113
Just use Heisig's kana book. Japanese university classes teach everything in a way that makes it more difficult than necessary for adults. Rote doesn't work that well for most people.

>>10130101
Being able to absorb information through rote learning has nothing to do with intelligence

>>10130101
Only if you have exceptional memorization ability. Why is this so hard to understand? It's nice that you can memorize things quickly, but don't assume that's true for everyone.

>>10130135
It's not about memorization though. It's not like he looks through them once and can just recall them all. He probably brute forces them in with realkana or something. Anyone can do it, it just takes time and persistence.

>>10130123

Well he says that it's because you're imaginative memory is much better at recalling things than your active memory he uses imagery and mnemonics to teach you.

I believe it cause it works for me, and it's otherwise hide for me to remember things. The sillier the imagery the better it seems.

>>10130135
>Only if you have exceptional memorization ability.

No. It's the methods that are commonly used that are bad. Someone with normal memory can learn to write all jouyou kanji in three months if they have the time and use Heisig. Someone can learn the kana in 12 hours total time if they use Heisig's book. The shit really works.

>>10130153
>3 months
>time
With 3 months, you only need like 1 hour a day, not very much time. If you had time, you could do it in a month. Someone did it in 15 days once, doing 16 hours a day.

>>10130160
>16 hours a day
How many drugs was he on?

>>10130113
joke's on your becaue I didn't even go to college.

think of it this way: I'm sure everyone here has looked at a video game manual to memorize the keyboard shorcuts. you can probably learn those in the time it takes for the game to install. memorizing what runes make what sound isn't any harder.

Why aren't you learning all the jouyou kanji in a week? Are you that bad?

>>10130160
It'll take longer than one hour for most people. Doing more than 50 a day made my brain feel like it was overloading so that's the most I would do. Did the visual mnemonics for the first 1000 and it took about 4 hours because of visualization time. Switched to straight verbal for the last 1,000 because I was sick of visualizing and it trimmed it to 2 hours.

>>10130153
I have used heisig and it only works that fast if you're gifted. Stop this bullshit already.

I know this is probably a stupid question, but does the RTK anki deck stay in the same order as the book? If its not Id rather just use kanjidamage then spend forever trying to find it.

>>10130166
2000 / (3 * 30) = 22.2~ per day = 3 months
2000 / 50 / 30 = 1.33~ months = 50 per day

Doing 20 per day should only take 30 minutes for reps, and 30 minutes to learn.

>>10130173
I was in advanced classes in school, but I always considered myself bad with languages, and was going to give up Japanese until I found Heisig since kanji were impossibly hard for me by rote. Maybe you're right, but I think it's a goal people should shoot for. It's certainly possible.

>>10130189
Fair enough. I didn't do 50 every single day for certain reasons. But I tried to at least do 25. Slowed me down some, but I skipped few days.

>>10130123
> Japanese university classes teach everything in a way that makes it more difficult than necessary for adults. Rote doesn't work that well for most people.

You could have simply said that they don't work for you. Quit generalizing.

They are also meant for a different audience, have different goals, and their students usually have more than just Japanese classes on their mind (not to mention the ones who may not be all that interested to begin with).

Though if you have the motivation, specific goals and free time, I doubt the method matters all that much, frankly. Other than bragging about it on /jp/, does it seriously make any difference if you learn kana in two weeks instead of 6 hours?

>>10130123
I didn't mean Japanese university classes but university students.

>>10129887
Does anyone have a pdf for the supplement? I dont want to pay 9$ for the download and wold rather read it offline when im studying then remembering the site.

why do all these methods for learning moonspeak sound so convoluted? I've never taken a japanese class but I've taken classes for 4 other languages and they were all pretty much the same. you start out with a textbook that features little stories with basic grammar and vocabulary and advance to stories with harder grammar and vocabulary. at first you can't understand shit and have to look everything up, but eventually you're able to understand most of the words and can start reading actual literature with the help of a dictionary. of course with moon you don't have the benefit of phonetic reading, but it still sounds like everyone is making things way harder than they need to be.

>>10130228

Because the language is constructed completely differently from english. Unlike most western languages where you just have to flip the words around?

>>10130228
Because kanji

>>10130228
Kanji.

>>10130228
waaaaaah why isnt jap easy like all the other babby langauges I've learned.
Theres a reason why 3 of the 4 hardest languages to learn as deemed by the US government are Eastern Asian langauges

>>10130239
I've always heard Korean is quite easy for English speakers to learn.

>>10130244
The sounds are fucked up, but they use a phonetic system so I don't know why its classified as the same as Chinese and Japanese.

>>10130244
>>10130244
>>10130252
The pdf is part of the US fsi manual page 45 http://fsitraining.state.gov/training/Language_Toolkit.pdf You can read it for yourself if you want.

>>10130228
Because it's a clusterfuck mixture with Chinese. You need to learn over 2,000 Chinese characters (kanji), and those characters have Chinese readings and Japanese readings, meaning that they can be pronounced multiple different ways depending on what words they're used to write. Kanji isn't the same as learning vocab, they are used to write vocab. It's like having to learn the most complicated alphabet imaginable. It's not an alphabet of course, but I hope that gets the point across.

>>10130230
so what? for someone that only knows english λίθος is no more meaningful than 石. the only difference is that you can try to pronounce the first word if you know the greek alphabet. you still have to learn how to write it and remember what it means.

>>10130255
Have you tried learning Japanese? Your example isn't accurate at all. It might be if all Japanese was written in hiragana, but it thankfully isn't.

>>10130228
>it still sounds like everyone is making things way harder than they need to be.

That might be true, but if so, it's a mistake that everyone is making.

The US State Department (which teaches its employees foreign languages as a matter of course) considers Japanese to be one of the hardest languages for English speakers to gain proficiency in.

>The Foreign Service Institute characterizes languages into three general categories:
>• “World”: generally the Western European languages that are closely related to English, e.g., French, German, Portuguese, Swedish;
>• “Hard”: languages more distant from English, e.g., Albanian, Finnish, Hindi, Russian, Thai, Vietnamese; and
>• “Superhard”: Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Korean.

(Notice the lack of "e.g." for superhard. These are the only languages in that category.)

>>10130257
and english is a clusterfuck of latin, french, and multiple germanic languages with retarded spelling that makes no sense. no one would tell someone trying to learn english to start by memorizing the dictionary. you learn words and how they're read and written as you go, the same way you do with any other language after your first.

>>10130255

Your answer would be more accurate if say λίθος was like some kanji, which could mean up the 8 different things, depending on how it's used, said differently depending on that meaning, and there's not way to know without context

>>10130239
>>10130264
>superhard
Surely a better word could be used. One that doesn't make it sound like it was written by a seven year old at least.

>>10130266
It's not the same thing. Learning an alphabet with 26 letters and dealing with spelling is not the same as learning kanji. Try learning Japanese and you will understand why.

>>10130255
>so what? for someone that only knows english λίθος is no more meaningful than 石.

That's not true. "Lithos" has some pretty obvious English cognates: any educated person would probably guess that it means "stone" or something similar.

>>10130259
no but I've probably learned around 100 runes incidentally just from seeing them in context. guess how total immersion learning works.

>>10130255
One of the biggest differences between romance languages and asian languages is grammar and sentence structure. Spanish german italian are basicly the same sentence with the words just translated. Romantic languages are very verbose and Asian languages are extremely trimmed and use context for a lot of word meaning. You can say someone works in an office and someone belongs in the yakuza with pretty much the same exact sentence.

>>10130278
Wow, 100. You don't know shit.

>>10130266
>no one would tell someone trying to learn english to start by memorizing the dictionary

I can assure you, quite a few people do, in fact. I've no idea how well it works for their students, though.

>>10130285
That comma usage.

>>10130286
Could be a Frenchman. As far as I can tell French has no rules for comma placement; you just put them wherever you think there's not enough ink.

Okay, here's an example. Let's say I wanted to learn the Japanese word for autism jiheishou

In hiragana it is this じへいしょう, but is that how it is written normally? Nope. It's written like this 自閉症. Have fun picking those characters up. But let's say that you know the characters already. Will knowing the pronunciation じへいしょう tell you which kanji to use? NOPE. Let's take the first part, じ. Which kanji are pronounced as じ? 児　字　事　地　寺　時　柱　次　自　路　辞　 the list goes on.

>>10130290
I chuckled

>>10130282
I don't know japanese grammar but if it's similar to korean grammar it's not really that different from english. things like syntax and conjugation might be different but you still have basically the same parts of speech like nouns and adverbs and the same constructions like indirect statements.

>>10130284
it's only 5% but I wasn't even trying.

>>10130297
You sure told him faglord.

>>10130297
it's hard because you're trying to learn in a stupid way. if you're looking at the sentence "ZUN!bar has autism" and don't know what 自閉症 is of course you have to look it up, but then later if you see the sentence "sudo has autism" you can look at the context and maybe remember what it means. then when you're trying to write the sentence "sion has autism" you can remember the runes from when you used them before and write them out.

>>10130298
>I've learned 4 langauges
> things like syntax and conjugation might be different but you still have basically the same parts of speech like nouns and adverbs and the same constructions like indirect statements.

Jesus please stop posting its obvious your talking out of your ass now and if you actually "learned" 4 languages you would already know this.

木曰話ほ昇いごよ

>>10130313
What I'm trying to show is that there is a large disconnect from learning Japanese and from learning something like French or Greek. Kanji makes things much more difficult.

>>10130298

Japanese has no plurals, it's implied through context. They have no indirect statements, it's implied through context. The conjugation and meaning of the conjugations beyond past, and progressive forms are completely different. Ex. there is no future tense, it's? Implied through context. There are polite forms, and impolite forms, and contractions upon contractions. In every day conversation, topics are almost entirely dropped. Knowing who is doing what to who is? Implied through context.

Japanese is as much feeling, and experience as it is learning. Which is why if you spent 5 years learning via Genki, then went to Japan, you wouldn't be able to carry a conversation with anyone, or be able to speak your mind. Which you take for granted in English.

>>10130330
a simple example is you would say My name is mark for English, Mi llamo es Mark for Spanish, and for Japanese you would say Mark and everything else would be told through context.

>>10130370

Well just マークです

But you're right, you'd never say 私の名前はマークです。 it'd sound awkward

the cat sits on the table
FELESINMENSASEDET
고양이는 식탁에 앉어습니다

things like word order and definite articles might be different but all 3 sentences have two nouns, a verb, a and preposition. if you can understand the grammar for one language it's not hard to understand the grammar for another language. maybe you shouldn't have slept through 8th grade english class.

>>10130386
Have you really not realized that literally no one is disputing that? You seriously are missing the point on a fundamental level.

>>10130386

Wrong, the only thing you need to make a complete sentence in Japanese is ONE verb, and nothing else.

行く can mean like 50 different things depending on when and how it's used, and you can just say "行く" and it will be a complete sentence. Something you can't do in english, or Korean

>>10130370
>Mi llamo es Mark for Spanish

No, it's "Me llamo Mark" ("I call myself Mark") or "Mi nombre es Mark" ("My name is Mark").

'Mi llamo es Mark" is nonsense.

>>10130417
I havent had Spanish in ages and completely misses the fucking point by about 20 yards.

>>10130404
what is the point then? that you need to freak out and make things 100 times harder than it needs to be just because the language uses a shitty archaic wiritng system?

>>10130406
가요 can mean different things too. so what? it's still a verb. it still indicates an action being carried out by a subject, implied or otherwise. japan is not a magical place where people think using totally alien concepts.

>>10130428

How the fuck are you writing these such that they appear like garbage on my computer?

The post you're responding too has the characters visible for me, but when you post them it's all crap.

>>10130428

Except Japanese is a conceptual language and if you can't learn the concepts of Japanese, you can't learn Japanese. You could read it, but you'll never understand it. It's difficult purely because it IS so alien from English

>>10130441

You don't have qorean installed

>>10130448

Ah, that makes sense.

>>10130443
I'm pretty sure the japanese have the same concepts of actions and objects as the rest of the world

>>10130491
Are you being stupid on purpose?

You do them yet?

So glad I'm out of the rough part of learning this language. Eight years since learning my first hiragana and now I can read novels and play games without a dictionary, know a fair number of kanji, and live in Tokyo doing translating part-time.

It never felt like I was getting any better, but looking back at my first year to now and its night and day. Just stick with it, you'll get to the other side eventually.

>>10130507
First thing in the morning.

Here's the supplement for Heisig's RTK1 for those who need it:

http://www.mediafire.com/?wc6949na48mkgcd

http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-japanese-in-2-years-time
-step-by-step-guide-%E2%80%95-learn-to-read-through-vn-or-anime/

>>10130507
Anki is your full time job?

>>10130532
>>10130507
Am I missing something? Doesnt core2k contain the same stuff as 1k and 6k contains everything before it as well? Whats the point doubling up on repeats

>>10130537
Thanks

>>10130565

.>>10130532 here. I'm making my own decks using the vocabulary on iknow.jp. They have them separated in 1k chunks through Core1k to Core6k. Disregard my screenshot if you are using pre-built decks on AnkiWeb.

Here's the page if you wanna take a look:

http://iknow.jp/content/japanese

>>10130495
are you? I'm not the one trying to grind out of context vocabulary

>>10130572
Is there an option to download the decks there? It would be terribly inconvenient to have to spend the effort to copy paste. I might as well create my own personal deck instead.

>>10130585
It's actually better to take the time to copy/paste than to use a pre-built deck from what I've seen. Makes the sentences stick better. And no, iknow.jp has no Anki integration unless someone else had already taken the time to create and share their own deck using the sentences on the website.

>>10130580
I doubt you have the years needed to learn each vocabulary in a context. We're trying to speed things up here. Plus, it's not totally out of context. You study words using sentences if you're not totally stupid.

>>10130585
>>10130598
I checked the anki deck and theres a full part by part for 2k and 6k or you can get a deck with 2/6k combined. The only problem is the 2/6k deck has exactly 5999 cards so it has to be missing a bunch of information unless every practice sentence is on the same card as the vocab.

>>10130655
I believe shared Core decks on AnkiWeb are from when iknow.jp was called smart.fm and charged no money to use its services. Don't worry too much about it, just make sure the deck has audio for sentences and use whichever you like.

>>10130598
years? do you have a learning disability? there's absolutely no reason to try to learn words from a list instead of just trying to read things.

>>10130669

>charged no money

It's kinda disappointing that they do charge, it seems like a cool service.

Well, suppose I still got Memrise and Anki and shit.

>>10130722

I doubt you've read every single English word you know. And even if you had, you would have to have read a lot of goddamn books. Most people don't have the fucking time to read that much.

>>10130727
I sure as fuck didn't learn by studying cards. I started with babby books like good night moon and worked my way up to charlotte's web and the hobbit.

>>10130722
do you? there's absolutely no reason not to incorporate SRS into your reading habits instead of relying on natural exposure alone

>>10130731

You had a long fucking time to do that though.

Your entire life up to this point kind of long.

Learning shit loads of words takes years even with cards, it would longer than most people's motivation or patience will hold out relying on natural exposure to words.

Reading is still a good idea, mind you.

>comparing mother tongue knowledge with learning a secondary language

Why do you faggots even keep feeding the troll.

>>10130762
Why do you keep misusing the greentext function and why did you not end that interrogative sentence with a question mark?

why are you learning Japanese, /jp/?

>>10130784
so I can post screenshots of muramasa and baldr sky in /vg/ and /jp/ translation threads and have it mean something.

>>10130784

Bored of waiting on fan translations for my vidya.

>>10130758
>Learning shit loads of words takes years even with cards
if you moved to japan and were forced to adapt you could be fluent in a few months

>>10130911
>few months
>fluent
Nope.

わたしは日本語がわかります。

>>10130915
Please stop feeding this troll.

>>10130980
偉いですねあなたは。

>>10131027
But his comebacks are funny. It's like watching a retard trying to make an argument.

>>10131042
I like watching youre mom. If you know what I mean.

PS: I'm not the person you're referring to. Though I could be. You'll never know for certain now!

>>10131181
I don't give that many fucks even if you were, to be honest.

>>10130784
porn games, what else?

>>10130274
letters =/= words

>As a primitive, we shall use this kanji to mean baseball team or simply baseball. The meaning, of course, is derived from the nine players who make up a team.
RTK is mental pollution.

>>10130559
Yes, learning Japanese is the most important thing to me right now. I will finally reach my month long goal I set at the beginning of November to get to 10k words after having finished Core6k in October. It sucked that the CorePlus deck didn't have example sentences for JLPT1/2 and edict vocab words. Manually adding them in takes away from my reviewing and I don't like the plugin that shows all the example sentences that the deck recommended using.

>>10132256
Using 九 as baseball when its a primitive was very helpful to me, like most of Heisig's other suggestions.

>>10130330
>Which is why if you spent 5 years learning via Genki

If it takes you 5 years to finish Genki, hell, to finish Genki and the intermediate and advanced volumes, then you're a fucking retard.

Could somebody teach me to use Anki better?
I have loads of decks and they're clogging my Anki, so I've made one myself that I'll build on. But due to much testing, (and thus answering correctly) it refuses to show any of the cards, ever.

How do I "reset" a deck?
Can I make "folders" of decks?
Where does the beta physically store the decks?
What's some stuff to know, in regards to the AnkiDroid app?

>>10132598

Slowpoke, also missing the point.

You're not in the position to call anyone retarded, buddy.

>>10132611
I'm sorry but if you study seriously for 5 years, you will be able to hold a conversation with someone in Japanese. If not, you're either an idiot or your methods were severely flawed. It's a difficult language, but >>10130330 is a complete exaggeration.

>>10132611
>also missing the point.

What point? That his example was completely nonsensical? Say something that makes fucking sense if you want to make a point.

>>10130382
I've never heard anyone say "my name is..." in english, especially in response to "what's your name?"

>>10132618
>>10132625

Missing the point, it's a hypothetical example. A purposeful exaggeration to prove a point, which is "All the genki studying you could ever do will not let you speak Japanese" If you are literally too dumb to grasp hypothetical statements, than you need to stop and learn English first.

>>10132637

No they say "My name's X"

>>10132643
No they say "I'm X", or just "X" if they're replying to the aforementioned question.

>>10132654
Or "the name's X" if they're fat.

>>10132638
Well then the point is wrong. Many foreigners have achieved fluency. What a silly thing to say.

>>10132654

What's your name?

X

Who's that?

I'm X

What's your name?

X

Hello, my name's X

You'd never say "Hello, I'm X"

>>10132663

That wasn't the fucking point, holy mother of fucking god damn shit. It was the point that genki is rote memorization and it doesn't prepare you to be speaking

Kill yourself fucking immediately

>>10132670
Who is your point even for? Who thinks that studying a book is going to make you conversationally fluent? Are you retarded?

>>10132689

Now you are deliberately trying to sound as fucking illiterate, and insanely obnoxious as fucking possible

>>10132665
>You'd never say "Hello, I'm X"
No one's ever said, "Hello, my name's X" to me either. Maybe I'm hanging around with the wrong crowd or something.
"Hi, I'm X" and such is more natural.

But the point I was trying to make like 5 posts ago was that Japanese is not the only usage to rely on context . When people start learning a new language they act like it's completely fucking inscrutable when in fact they're just noticing stuff that has become so natural to them in their native tongues that they even forget it exists. Like all the whining surrounding counters in Japanese. At least japanese counters are more or less logical, the english ones appear to be completely random.

>>10132712
No, I'm not. Studying a book is not going to make you conversationally fluent in any language. If you want that, you have to fucking converse with people. Your "point" doesn't apply to anyone in this thread.

>>10132756

You really should stop trying to learn Japanese, and try learning English. Because literally you have brought me to tears with how completely utterly you fail to understand a word I have said. Me saying you can't become fluent with Genki, then having you, essentially repeating exactly what I just said, while screaming at your monitor as if I was wrong.

You are sadly, the dumbest person I have met on this website, and I mean this quite literally. You don't understand Japanese, you barely understand English.

>>10132792
I'm asking you why are you even saying it. Your point is completely meaningless. No one in this thread has said you can become conversationally fluent with a book. No one thinks you can become conversationally fluent with a book. It doesn't work that way in any language. Your "point" is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

>>10132812

Your right, no one did say that, not one person said that.

Yet, here you are, screaming at me, agreeing with what I said. Do you know how psychotic it sounds? How psychotic it sounds that you've not gone "Wow, I was agreeing with you this whole time? Wow I must have looked like a massive fucking tool, a big slobbering cunt"

Well you do, and you did. Nothing you said was true. It shocks me to believe that someone on this earth can honestly be this simultaneously illiterate, and proud of their inability to read.

My point was in fact just that, so saying it's irrelevant, is saying what you yourself just said is irrelevant. Perhaps you should go back and read the original post. Because if you are actually the slightest bit intelligent. You're realize how fucking dumb you look right now.

>>10132839
Go back and read the original post. It uses the example that "You can't become conversationally fluent from a book" as a reason that Japan is harder than other languages. But all languages are like that, you fucking idiot. I can't believe how stupid you are. You are a fucking mongoloid. Go back to your cave and beat rocks together, retard.

>>10132856

Pssst that's not what the post said

You just proved it.

Again, learn English before putting your nappies to Japanese. It's pretty obvious English isn't even your first language.

>>10132860
Yes it fucking is. It's a reply to the guy earlier who was saying Japanese is not harder than other languages. Go fuck yourself, retard.

>>10132865

>Japanese is as much feeling, and experience as it is learning. Which is why if you spent 5 years learning via Genki, then went to Japan, you wouldn't be able to carry a conversation with anyone, or be able to speak your mind. Which you take for granted in English.

The post was saying that no matter how long you spent studying a book, it would not prepare you for the Japanese language which is unique in the context of it's words. Which present words that having feelings that do not exist in languages like English.

I just find it funny, how you're screaming retard, you must have learned that word in some Mexican school. Sorry, but you're barely literate in English, it's fairly obvious you can't speak or understand it. Stop trying, it's fucking sad watching you squirm and spit like a baby.

>>10132883
I give up with you. You've changed your explanation of what your "point" is twice. It's either about conversational fluency, or its about in general preparing you for Japanese. I've shown that the first is the same for every language and the second is nonsense. Have fun being an idiot.

>>10132670
>>10132689
>>10132712
>>10132792
>>10132756


Aw man, this brings me back to the days when I had yet to graduated college and obtain a full time job.

I was always jealous and trying hard to outsmart everyone because.

It changes when you get a a job, boys. It changes. You will no longer use the phrases "as a result" or "be that as it may" when you acquire a career. You just stop caring about trying hard to fuck everyone else in the ass.

>>10132892

Conversational fluency in... Japanese in a Japanese... thread? this isn't /fr/ or /gr/ this is /jp/ it's not even /spa/ since Spanish is probably your native language given how dumb you are.

Sorry but, you're wrong, you've been proven wrong, and now you're trying to backtrack and say you havn't been misreading every post I've made, when it's obvious you don't understand English

>>10132917
Did I not say stop feeding this troll already? Jesus christ, your bitching about digging your own fucking grave.

>>10133129
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>10132256
That's how I remember the number of players on a baseball team.

>>10134625
Fair enough, but if I made it through One Outs and One Piece: Going Baseball without picking up that information I probably don't need it.

>>10132557
>Using 九 as baseball
Surely 丸 would make a better baseball.

>>10135389
But that's "round"

>>10126318
Thanks for that. I guess I should stop being a worthless piece of shit and learn moon.

RTK or KD, /jp/?

>>10141950
KD any day over RTK.

>>10141966
RTK any day over KD.

ソフトとかはそんなに気にせんでええで。
日本語学びたかったらネーティブと話さなあかんねん。
これぞ主要なとこやで。

はじめまして
僕は日本語のマスターなんです

知らない日本語単語なんかありません
僕の日本語は日本人より上手いですよ
よろしく

>>10141950
Try both and see what you like. There's nothing stopping you from switching if you don't like one method.

>>10142164
あぁ、よろしゅうに。
こっちもなめなくときな。
ワイの言葉は簡単に訳されるもんやあらへんからな。

>>10142239
やめろ
お前の言葉遣いは悔しいな
僕は日本語マスターなんだけどHipsterマスターじゃないし

>>10142059
>>10142239
なんで関西弁でしゃべるの。かっこいいと思う？

>>10142259
何故あなたの尻焼き付いている？カルシウムたりないの？

>>10127619
You cry and go running to your room and read some of your gay porn to cheer up

>>10127829
>Waste

>>10142259
俺の勝手やろ。
文句あんのかボケ。

>>10142249
www
あんな振りじゃ標準語を使う人しか分からなってしまうぞ。

G-guys, I want to stop using rikaichan/kun but I'm too used to it. ;_; How do it do it?

>>10142249
www
あんな振りじゃ標準語を使う人しか分からなくなってしまうぞ。

>>10142989
Have you tried printing stuff out before you read it?

>>10142239
>こっちもなめなくときな。
この日本語知らんぞ

I'm surprised no one started posting in heian japanese for more epenis inches yet

>>10143016
無理もない。
こんな日本語は辞書に載ってないから。
「俺もなめなくておいてね」と言う意味。

>>10143095
「なめなくておいて」も間違いなんだがなw

どう考えても「なめないでおいて」だろうが

「なめんといてや」っていいたかったろ？