/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>46909558
das rite

>>46909421
I believe on his explanation later on that he wanted to write a Saikoroshi for Satoko. The issue is that due to just writing out a storyline outline rather than a full story he ended up not self-criticizing nearly enough, to the point he was caught by surprised people cared about the pile of corpses left before the ending, not just the ending itself.

Note in the interview just a couple of weeks after Sotsu's airing, he framed things like no one else knowing about Satoko's crimes, so did she really have to think about them? It's something for her to think about in the future.

R07 himself clearly wasn't expecting people to be bothered by that plot element. Then months later in the Hou+ cast party he tried to reframe everything as a dream or imagination. It's like imagination, so Satoko isn't even that bad. Rika and Keiichi can be even worse in their heads!

Which is complete bullshit because at the end of Gou/Sotsu Satoko ends up in a dream world that wouldn't exist without her loops (which is another point that shows how badly thought up the overall idea was, since Saikoroshi specifically preached against this idea of choosing a perfect world, or how there was value to a world with struggle compared to one where that was avoided - and escapism from conflict is basically what you get in Sotsu's ending where even the battle against Takano didn't happen).


>So he ends up in a position where he can't make himself write his masterpiece but has to write something, so he produces lesser works.

Gou/Sotsu's story outline from R07 was written 3 years before airing. He likely thought by the time Gou and Sotsu would be finishing, Ciconia would be finished too (reminder that he originally said around the launch of Phase 01 that Higurashi and Umineko took too long to come out for these days and Ciconia would be finished faster to follow a modern pacing), thus why he referenced them in the first place in Gou. That was supposed to be a reference to an existing story, not speculation fodder for crazies.

>>46909536
Not that anon, but it was in one of the streams. He said Ciconia was his life work and he liked it dearly, but he had to focus on external "jobs" before (the implication being a job that gives money, unlike Ciconia).

It felt like an excuse though. The only time he mentioned that he loved Ciconia so much was that one time that rather than the wars or pandemic excuse, he used the excuse that he had other jobs to focus on. Switching around excuses like that really devalue them all.

>>46907917
Sorry for late reply, was busy stroking these cocks

>>46909556
Thanks for the link. I wonder if it has the same connotation in japanese as it does in english, but he seems to be pretty nonchalant while saying it, so I doubt it's that deep, but who knows.

>>46909550
first the bubonic plague and now the monkeypox virus, rika is truly the queen carrier of all sorts of diseases

>>46909613
We need a Batka for the corona

>>46909607
Jesus Christ, don't scare me like that.

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>>46909607
AAAIEEEEEEEEEE!!! DELETE IT DELETE IT!!!
I'M GONNA SHIT MY PAAANTS

>>46909613
did you forget about the nipah virus? that's an actual thing you know

>>46909550
So many verminkas, gotta catch 'em all!

>>46909596
hope you liked it, i did, as I came

>>46909663
>it's actually real

>>46909436
So the Kyrie thing isn't relevant here, not even for casting doubt on Battler's identity (Lambda says the same things to piece-Ange earlier, plus Ange even goes all "I know what you're doing Beatrice!!"). Interdasting.

>>46909472
So Ryukishi was just pretending to be retarded?
>>46909506
>he cannot work on his passion and therefore cannot write something very good
he had that problem long before ciconia and the war lmao

>>46909593
>I believe on his explanation later on that he wanted to write a Saikoroshi for Satoko.
Y'know, Sotsugou might have gone down a bit better if he had actually made is a Saikoroshi equivalent- if he had actually made the murderloops dreams and not real alternate timelines. Especially since he said to pretend they're dreams afterwards. Just make them false loops created by Eua for the lols.

>>46909421
Money, money, money... Anyone who thinks there is something deeper behind that is most likely deluding themselves based on the author's faded fame.

>>46909506
>My currrent theory is that Ryukishi is not lying...
>>46909593
>I believe on his explanation later on...
How many times does a person have to lie before you stop taking what they say seriously?

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>>46909722
The issue is that if he did that she'd need at the end to just go back to the bad St.Lucia world he created to start the drama (everyone left Hinamizawa, so even if Satoko dropped out of st.Lucia to return she'd be alone there). So, the loops to be real to get her out of the ruined Matsuribayashi epilogue he created.

He seemed to think there'd be only any backlash about the ending being ruined if the final ending were bad, and everything in between doesn't matter.

Personally even the final ending by itself leaves me put off since he seems to consider a mind broken Rika unable to live a normal life a happy ending for her, while Satoko is supposed to get out of her loops just gaining things and with no trauma. Meanwhile, you have Rika unable to stay with the people she likes due to looping trauma and leaving them for an empty dream.

And to make things worse Reiwa just doubles down on it for Rika at least. Never made relevant bonds outside of the club. Her greatest happiness is thinking about her childhood in 83. Her life is so empty she can't accept a world where any members of the club are dead even though she barely spends time in Hinamizawa... Her whole character is broken, but we're supposed to see this as a happy ending.

>>46909593
gou/sotsu is a saikoroshi version for Satoko if saikoroshi had no idea what it was trying to do. You can argue the general format is similar to saikoroshi with Satoko being thrown into past fragments to face some issues she never got over after Matsuribayashi etc. But so much of how it goes about it is just wrong, trying to go in several different directions at once and failing at them.
Also Saikoroshi knew that it was a small epilogue story, not something hyping itself up as a sequel to Higurashi as a whole so long after the original.

>>46909804
>Never made relevant bonds outside of the club. Her greatest happiness is thinking about her childhood in 83
Rika not really getting close to anyone new is sad, but I'm not sure if anyone could stack up to the club in her heart, no matter the life she lived after the loops ended. That doesn't mean she needs to live an empty life, but that experience is always at her core to some degree.

>>46909735
When exactly has he lied?

>>46909900
Well, I'd think that was supposed to be the message of Saikoroshi. Leave her loops behind and live for the present. But she's always presented nowadays either running away from her past or nostalgic for it. Her character basically only exists in function of the loops even when she is supposed to be outside of them.

I wouldn't mind this characterization if the narrative acknowledged how damaged she is. I'm fine with Meguri's ending. But Sotsu and Reiwa present seem to present this as a happy status quo while allowing other characters to -actually- escape from any consequences of their pasts (Well, I guess Reiwa Rena is a bit of an exception here too).

>>46909593
>people cared about the pile of corpses left before the ending
Exactly my sentiment going from Higurashi and Saikoroshi into Outbreak. You just had very long monologues about the importance of life, why are the club all gunning down fellow villagers with happy, giddy glee?

>>46910010
Yeah, I think the best presentation(and as you said, the intent of Saikoroshi) is that Rika is damaged, but not broken. I wouldn't expect Rika to have the ability to truly let go/forget what she went through, but for it to dictate every aspect of her life wouldn't exactly be a happy ending.

I think Meguri is worst than Sotsu.

>>46910015
Because Outbreak is just a fun story about a hypothetical zombie-apocalypse-esque scenario.

>>46910015
Technically almost everyone is infected by n173 in Outbreak due to Takano spreading the gas everywhere in Hinamizawa and Okinomiya as revealed in Kamikashimashi, some rare people just (mostly) kept their hearts in spite of that.

>>46910069
I found magical girl Higurashi and Kira fun. I don't really find death in the Higurashi world fun, like I said after all Ryu said about the importance of the killing motive.

But then I only saw the anime for Outbreak. It was the happy portrayal of killing that irked me.

>>46910054
The rushed (mostly) in character ending was way better than DBZ fighting ending though.

>>46910009
Didn't he say Shitsugou wasn't about studying then go back and say people just didn't understand what it's like to be bad at studying

>>46909707
How is the baby switching not relevant to Kyrie's baby? Wut?

>>46910127
Isn't studying a convenient excuse for Satoko's other problem, that Rika is moving onto new people who Satoko has no connection with & feels ostracised from after that sort of thing was broken for her in Hinamizawa with the Houjou bias?

>>46910127
He said after Gou that we shouldn't get hung up on it and that there's more to the conflict. Then Sotsu basically doubled down on muh studying and R07 said actually the studying is a bigger obstacle from Satoko' perspective or something like that.
I think there was somewhat of a disconnect between Ryukishi's intention and what Passione ended up putting out, but to what extent, I'm not sure. Either way, it doesn't excuse what we got.

>>46910127
Yeah, there was this Gou era interview where he pushed things more towards Satoko's unsolved childhood traumas combined with that specific situation in St.Lucia leading to the conflict.

But comes Sotsu, he turned around and always tried to present Satoko as a "normal" girl, moving the focus to specifically her then current situation in St.Lucia, completely ignoring her backstory, just like the anime did, rather than presenting her as someone sick who needed help. The later take makes sense considering how Sotsu's ending does nothing to treat her pre-existing issues, it just acts like her letting Rika go ends puts a bow on everything.

See also the Hou+ cast party, once again, trying to frame Satoko's thoughts and behavior as completely normal, even saying Rika and Keiichi would be worse in her place.

>>46910185
to defend mlady ryukishi, we know rika would be worse because bern

>>46910185
> rika of all people going "I could have spend a billion fragments murdering you nipah~"
Umiunko really broke Ryukishit's brain, huh.

>>46910244
i love rika but she was actually a pretty terrible person, saying this is not wildly ooc

>>46910200
The way R07 handles the split between Bern and Rika is so odd nowadays. She split from her witch self, and yet is still burdened from all trauma and suffering from before. What exactly did split off then? I feel like Bern's story in Mei is pretty emblematic of his odd modern take on it.

Bern describes herself as everything inhuman Rika rejected and expelled from herself in the story. But yet the story keeps pointing out how similar they are. Bern jumps between fragments mindbreaking or even killing Irie over and over to cancel an upcoming exam for Satoko. And she's doing this because Rika asked her... so Rika is perfectly aware of all that.

Throughout the story, Bern keeps repeating she doesn't really care about Satoko, even while humiliating herself like dressing up as a maid for Irie (since she couldn't break his mind with violence or mental torture), and is doing this just to avoid boredom and because Rika promised her a rare spicy umeboshi, but by the end Rika uses the same line about not really caring about Satoko, pushing they're the same again (with this obviously implying Bern is just being tsundere about it like Rika). At the end, Rika wanted to go to a spicy meat eating contest with Satoko, and Bern then drags Lambda to go drink her super spicy tea.

Really, they seem to exist as separate entities just because R07 doesn't want Umineko to be seen as a direct continuation of Higurashi, but he seems to pretty much treat both as the same character nowadays.

Mion cute

WTC meta only makes sense when you realize Rika is Hanyuu/Featherine

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