/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19081531
行ってきまぁす！

>>19081515
ありがとう、私も

>>19081398
If you're learning nihongo for anime like I am, then "real nihongo" doesn't matter.

かわいい女の子のしっこを飲みたいなぁ~

I don't think anyone would learn Japanese just for anime, everything gets subtitled nowdays so that is just retarded.
How I see it is people that want to "learn" the language for anime are mere failures that gave up after learning kana and pissing their pants at realization of the amount kanji you have to learn to be decent.
Keep pretending retards.

>>19081644
Why the hostility dude 気楽に行こう

>>19081644
Maybe they just don't want to read bad translations anymore so they learn Japanese

>>19081644
I hate subs, and I hate waiting for decent ones.
After I get decent at nihongo I also want to get into VNs.
So it's not all just for anime. But the main goal is for anime and kana was easy as fuck. Go fuck yourself.

>139th page
ナニ?!

Why is djt against isolated kanji study when even natives go through it?

>>19081481
Watch the videos from Japanese Ammo to get started. They are some of the best out there for grammar and shit. She also explains the similarities between the kana characters so that you can build up from one to the other rather than memorizing 40-something random shapes. I REALLY recommend this channel if you are just starting out or need some refreshing.

>む looks kinda like a cow to me and also makes a sound similar to "moo"
This is cute an all, but try not to rely on it too much. Mnemonics are good at first (if you create them yourself, pre-made ones are worth shit), but you should eventually, and by eventually I mean in just a couple of hours, begin to recognize the characters by themselves and completely forget about the mnemonics.

And you should start with kanji as soon as you feel comfortable with Hiragana. Vocabulary is much easier to remember when you associate kanji with it, and kanji is only possible to remember if know actual words that use them.

>>19081740
Natives learn Kanji through words. When you are doing isolated Kanji study, you are not learning Kanji through words. Natives do not do isolated Kanji study.

>>19081741
it's a reddit repost

I never said that I wanted to learn Japanese exclusively from anime. I barely watch anime anymore.

I was just wondering why they always say the same shit about "anime Japanese" when not all anime is cringy otaku shit. I'm fairly certain that there is a lot of anime where people speak in a natural way and don't use words like kisama and shit. Or at least as natural as fiction can be, animated or otherwise.

>>19081754
watching such an anime literally rn

This thread is for learning Japanese for the purpose of consuming otaku media.
Go back to /int/

>>19081454
I think they are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator, since the typical anime fan likes disgusting garbage like Naruto.

https://www.quora.com/In-Japanese-what-is-the-meaning-of-nano-desu

>nano desu “なのです” is a casual way for girls to ask a question. The English translation would be: “What?”
What the fuck is she smoking?

>>19080839
にほんみやげ

なに

ほしい？

https://youtu.be/AjNPeKgLnC8
なのです~!

When am I supposed to use だ? Is it just to emphasize things?

As far as I understand, "desu" sounds way too formal so people drop it in informal speech. But having no "desu" at all makes the sentence feel "weak" when you are trying to really emphasize something. So is "da" a compromise between the two? Is it a "desu" transformed into a less polite-sounding word so that you can still use it informally?

>>19081795
ほっぺたにちょっとクリームをかかったよ
お兄ちゃん舌で拭いてあげる

>>19081814
です is not formal at all actually, it's standard speech
Maybe you've been watching too much anime?

>>19081814
As far as I know, if someone tells you a lie and pisses you off:

>uso desu
Sounds fucking ridiculous and too polite for the situation.

>uso
The desu is only implied, but that makes it lack impact and doesn't fit a burst of anger.

>uso da
You are telling them that it IS in fact a fucking lie by not omitting the verb, without using the overly polite desu.

My Japanese is shit, so correct me if I'm wrong.

>>19081827
嘘だッッッッ！！！！

>>19081818
I rarely hear real life men using desu informally. They just skip it most of the time.

I'm pretty damn sure that it sounds weird if you use it among friends unless you are a girl trying to sound really cute.

>>19081815
おみやげ

うえ

した

どっちがいい

>>19081833
what kind of situation do you think is "informal" exactly

>>19081818
Are you sure? I've had a few Japanese teachers tell me that desu is omitted most of the time, so when you use it constantly it sounds way too polite. And apparently "degozaimasu" is not "formal" speech (that would be desu), it's literally treating the other person like a god and only used by servants or in extremely polite situations.

>>19081835
上かな、でも旅行に良い状態に残るのはちょっと不確実だね
だから下はちょっと普通過ぎなんだけど、セーフだと思う

>>19081844
you don't know japanese

>>19081818
I don't want to offend you, but do you know Japanese or are you talking out of your ass?

I wouldn't consider using "desu" unnecessarily to be standard speech when you are speaking to people you know. You usually drop it half the time. Same with the "masu" form. It sounds too polite to use with people you know.

>>19081844
>>19081859
だ/る/する - Friends and family. You use this if the two of you are of similar age/status/familiarity. This is probably 2nd most used in daily life.

です/ます - When speaking to strangers or anyone with a formal relationship. So bosses, co workers, senpai-types, people who randomly chat you up. You should be doing this most of the time and make up about 90% of your interactions. There’s shortcuts and lazy ways of maintaining standard politeness, but it still comes down to this: how you talk with friends and strangers are pretty different in English, too. So it is in Japanese as well, it’s just defined a lot more clearly for you.

敬語- If you are working in Japanese with clients, customers, have a formal speech to do or an email to write, this is what you’re using. And it sucks. It’s like business English. No one talks like that naturally, but you gotta put on airs in the business world. You probably use this the least unless you’re working and working long hours.

>>19081859
Of course I don't, that's why I'm asking. And what you say goes completely against what I've been learning for the past few months.

I'm not saying that desu is literally never used in informal speech, but you are supposed to drop it to sound natural, right?

>>19081891
it doesn't sound unnatural, it just affects your personality

it has nothing to do with the "language", just convention, unlike things like whether you can use desu/masu in certain relative clauses

>>19081852
うえ

れいとうだよ

（すごいたかいけど）こっちのほうがいいかもしれない

>>19081891
Nope sorry man, your teacher lied to you. Thankfully you've got us DJTers to help you in your nihongo journey.

>>19081818
です is not strictly used in formal Japanese, but it's not particularly informal either.

I just use っす

>>19081852
>>19081900
これはEel_Pie

だんせいきをあらわしてる

わりとまじ

>>19081896
>>19081902
Why is there so much conflicting information then? You hear native speaker explain one thing and then someone tells you it's the complete opposite and that he lied to you.

>>19081921
Natives don't know japanese like we do. They didn't have to analyse the japanese language in every single aspect. Therefore it is a given that we would know japanese better than they do.

>>19081921
people who are not experienced in modern linguistics should not attempt technical explanations. this includes natives.

Spamming です is "unnatural" in the same way that systematically avoiding contractions is in English.

>>19081900
>>19081915
それは美味しいそうだけど
生きがいいのを失うのは怖くね？
後なんであんな性的なことを？

>>19081945
And that's what I'm saying. Is it wrong or are these people trolling me?

>>19081968
The unnaturalness you're trying to describe is not the unnaturalness I'm trying to describe.

>>19081958
>おいしそう
たいしておいしくはない

>生きががいい
わかりません

>性的なこと
こどもをつくることは

しゅうきょうてきに

とてもいいことだからだとおもう

>>19081970
I'm pretty sure I'm just completely failing to describe the same unnaturalness you are describing.

>>19081971
生きがいいは食べ物の新鮮よ
気持ちは分かるけどあんな意味深いなことを渡す相手には分かるのかしら？