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Hrm, I'm not sure you entirely grasp what I was getting at, because in a general sense, even though I described the basic conditions the characters from the original urban fantasy setting could beat a Beast (specifically thinking of Goetia and Tiamat), they're still overall at a disadvantage compared to Heroic Spirits (let alone Grand Servants) and the situation would be just as desperate and precarious as by default, if not more.

Although, frankly, besides there not being a good vector by which Goetia could manifest in the modern day beyond the lineal curse we see him resort to that he planned well in advance, I think Goetia didn't attack humanity directly specifically because he probably thinks he'd lose. It's the very same reason the DAAs themselves don't operate out in the open as asserted in Tsukihime: even as these bizarre monstrosities that have shirked off the mundane concept of death, don't die when you kill them, and can't be put down by normal means, they would get dogpiled and defeated -somehow-. There's just too much going against them.

>by what was presented in FGO, defeating Tiamat was such a mountain of miraculous circumstances that had to happen JUST to open the conditions to DAMAGE her
Like I said from the start, it's entirely circumstantial. These (seemingly) miraculous conditions or similar would STILL need to be met in the modern day. But if these factions really put their mind to it, went all out, and didn't care what they had to give up in the process, they could accomplish that.

But it would be fucking war.

Lahmu are significantly stronger than your average dead apostle, if not as clever, and there's hordes of them. If you get eaten by the mud, you'll become one of them. These creatures are far beyond the most advanced chimeras reasonably conceivable in the modern age, and this is to say nothing of the Bel Lahmu or Goetia's Pillars, the latter of which all have numerous unique powers we're not privy too (and, granted, individuality that led them to collapse as a unit upon their central intelligence's defeat).

In Prelude, Lorelei is described as leading a brigade of the most elite magi against a vampire who is a candidate for becoming a DAA (partially for political reasons, since he's meant to replace Nrnqsr and... he no Nrvnqsr) and they estimate they're capable of carpet-bombing his fortress into dust and wiping out his entire clan in fifteen minutes. That's the best of the best, however. The Mage's Association is going to need multiple functional brigades made of the fully matured heirs of established lineages, all of them holding nothing back. Not just Clock Tower, but Atlas and the Wandering Sea too. They're going to have to lift Sealing Designations to get renegade magi to fill the ranks. They'll all be blowing years, decades, centuries worth of resources far beyond even stuff like Rin's best jewels from F/SN, using every accumulated source of maryoku, every prana furnace, every mystic code heirloom, EVERYTHING they have collectively brought to bear just keep up. Even then, many of them will die. Very possibly most of them will die. Many of them will not succeed and the Beast's force will gain ground, only to be held back by the survivors. The modern military might even get involved if this went public - not that they would do shit except slow the Beast's forces down.

And that's just the minor fights that are going on to distract the Beast's lesser aspects while a primary force of the best of the best (probably the Burial Agency, mages around the level of Lorelei or Touko in her prime, possibly Aoko - fuckers like that) is confronting the Beast itself, themselves using every resource at their disposal just to survive and find some way - ANY way - to win.

But they could do it. Even if it ended the current age of mystery on account of the crippling losses, they could win. They could find a way. Which is kind of the point of Beasts, no? They are the ultimate evil that humanity must confront simply for the sin of being human, but precisely for that reason, humanity will almost certainly beat them in the end. I mean, unless the species has degenerated ala Tsuki no Sango.

Also, in Tiamat's case, a lot of her most problematic abilities counter Heroic Spirits in particular. When all you have on hand that can do shit to her in the first place is Heroic Spirits, that's a problem, but it's not not an issue for living human beings, so there's that to note. There's a lot of factors to consider, which is why I said there's plenty of ways of looking at it. Ultimately what I'm saying is, it's plausible. It would not be simple or easy, though. Beasts are beyond horrifying, or at least they're supposed to be. That's why I fucking hate Jaguar Man, holy fuck. F/GO is shit, but everything to do with Tiamat was fucking marvelous... and then Jaguar Man showed up and made a farce of the whole thing. jfc, Nasu.

Aristoteles prolly have an edge on Beasts, though.