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>>11376734
I did say it was beneficial toward survival, didn't I? I even mentioned something about 'kin' too, ahahaha. Overall, I'm not really disagreeing with what you wrote, though it seems your examples are a bit too focused on human behavior. It's more pervasive than just people.

It's kind of sad that the mathematician, Price, decided to kill himself. Not being able to reconcile these things is probably really tough on your psyche though.

>>11376813
On some level things can be construed to be entirely mechanistic. At that point it becomes somewhat pointless to talk about selfishness or selflessness as it's all measured by how advantageous toward survival it is. Or by some internal reward system dictated though nature/nurture. That's just life, really. Still, what we choose to do is important, and these choices are what we base our feelings of good or ill will towards others, who are making their own choices.

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>>11377046
I think you can be altruistic, even if it's 'doing something for yourself'. But this may just be due to a mismatch in scope. Within a 'kin' group, doing things for other kin is still doing things for them, even if it does benefit you in some way, either directly or though the survival of the kin groups' genes. The example you gave with the machines, I don't know if I could even consider them to have a 'self' due to their lack of agency. And without that, what point is there in 'altruism'? From the way you've described it, it's an asymptotic impossibility, and that's not too useful to talk about. It's become black and white because there's no room for any meaningful comparisons. That is, if for example, the machines had some internal reward system that made it so that 'doing things for others' was rated highly, then under your prior definitions, they would no longer be altruistic.

>>11377312
Clever or not, Dr. Ougai still came to love her without it. So in that sense, it also showed the opposite side of the coin.

>>10821054
No idea, though I expect it to be relatively soon (i.e. within the next couple of months) considering the current stage is 'Golden Master'. Don't quote me on that though, I probably know as much as you do on this.