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>>22470215
Just another anon.
Let me make things clear here, I don't think CCC is a bad work and "only sex jokes". There is a point to that story and it is related to most of what was done on FSN. If you disagree, I invite you to read further on Nasu's words about it.
The usual issue with what I call "Age of Extra" (from Fate/Extra to FGO) is not that it is bad written. The issue is that as a major literature work, Fate as a whole is a very limited topic and CCC, a Fate derived work, suffers with it. I believe that there are two most interesting topics on any TM work with one of them being the character development, which is related to the post of the guy you gave us to some extent.
Now, the other topic of Fate that is interesting is the world building. What do I mean by it?
1 How magecraft (魔術) works.
2 How magic (魔法) works.
3 How the Magic Association works.
4 How Atlas works.
5 How the Church works.
6 How the Burial Agency works.
7 How Alaya works.
8 How the Counter Force (抑止力) works.
9 How Gaia works.
10 How the Gaia associated beings works (Non-human in general).
11 How the very essence of the universe (根源) works as a whole (Swirl of the Root根源の渦, Heaven空, Void「　」or 空) works.
12 How mental world works (Reality Marble固有結界 and Marble Phantasm空想具現化).
Fate franchise (CCC included) limits itself to talk about 1,3,7,8 as the major topics. All the other topics are either neglected (because of human order人理 issues), just used as a plot device or just slightly referenced.
One ot the things that makes me mad about Fate in general is its lack of world building when compared to early works, like Tsukihime, Mahoyo, Kara no Kyoukai and even the smallest of all, Notes. And not only that, much of what the world building had is often changed (retconned) to better fit character development, which has been a bad habit of Nasu for a long time now,
And curiously, one the biggest symbols of this bad habit is BB, with the biggest evidence being how much influential she is nowadays.
I personally hate it. It is like all Nasuverse is being bent to better develop the Matou Sakura Mythology. And by no means I am a Sakura hater, I would be actually a Rin hater.
You could say that some of the world building has been developed with Extella and Lostbelt, and I would agree. However, there is so much can be developed on Human Order based timelines. You CAN NOT develop Gaia elements like Types, the Church, True Ancestors, etc outside of Tsukihime worlds and Tsukihime-like stories (Kara no Kyoukai).
I don't think CCC should be regarded as a bad work, but you have to understand that CCC is a very niche work inside the already niche Type Moon Repertoire. EX and Grand Order timelines are, as far as we have observed, the most shit ways of talking about non-humanity issues.
Of course, you could say "who cares about that shit?", but the same would go to your romantic babble. Neither the world building nor character development is the focus of the majority of the TM consumers nowdays, they are just gacha addicts, people who like special effects and ecchi.
That is, what you like in Fate is valid. The only thing I ask you is not to make the dumb assertion of "everything else is bad because it doesn't develop what I like". I understand the good and bad points of each work and you should be smart enough to do the same with the other works.
One of the things that make me laugh at some of your arguments is that "Old works like Tsukihime are not as well written, Nasu is so much better doing Fate." Well, it is kinda hard to have other works well written WHEN MOST OF THE FUCKING TIME HE IS WORKING ON FATE. Yes, to talk that Fate is better written is the biggest Fallacy that could have been made.

Anyway, I hope this text helps you understand the side of some of us. This by no means represents all /tmg/ but rather a part of it.
Do not reduce Type Moon to only what you like, as it is not a franchise of only one Heroine. Not even Nasu would like that. Do that, and the only thing will you bring upon yourself is rage. If you really want a honest opinion, try to understand our side, our wish of Tsukihime things to continue. The wish of a even progress of all what is Type Moon.

This thread is for the discussion of any and all works by by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

Download Links:
>A collection of all official Japanese versions of TYPE-MOON PC Games (work in progress)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Kara no Kyoukai
novels: https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
movies: https://nyaa.si/view/1152431

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air.
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS+DISC - Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya - Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess.
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code)
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga (divided into two parts: the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" spans volumes 7-9. Melty Blood X is based on the Melty Blood Drama CD -Rojiura Pyramid Night-)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood Manga - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/series
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files novels
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B13rmXgOUD7NdUV2NDR2bWo1clU
Fate/Strange Fake Light Novel
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru (魔法使いの夜)
English Translation Patch (Chapter 1–7): https://mega.nz/#F!loBEBJDB!LMlgzDXX_ZnnRtnKFbXhQQ
French Translation Patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

Novels/Manga:
>Angel Voice (anthology containing two separate angel themed stories: Notes by Nasu and Clockwick Canaan-Veil by Takeuchi.)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
http://www.mediafire.com/file/myvc2c0ydv2lqhq/Fate%25EF%25BC%258FPrototype_Fragments_of_Sky_Silver_Vol_1.pdf/file
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Today's Menu for the Emiya Family
vol. 1: https://mega.nz/#!qlczzYiI!bnZsuBiMRVCKmugwizlIGc-0Bm1rXUXk_locMF7ogIU
vol. 2: https://mega.nz/#!T0UD0SBQ!yL4vw1j91cXFyFfVsUbyeRuJb4vTCesOhQqo9mmFtlA
>Tsuki no Sango - Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx

Helpful TYPE-MOON-related links:
>Beast's Lair forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate/Complete Material II: Character Material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] Deluxe Booklet
part 1: https://anidb.net/forum/thread/56958
part 2: https://imgur.com/a/zzgtH
>Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel] Animation Material (Deluxe booklet featuring staff interviews)
https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.co.nf/fuyuki/index.htm
>mirrormoon
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict, a light-weight, multi-lingual TYPE-MOON glossary
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan, a small fansite containing bits and pieces of information on all things TYPE-MOON
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Tsukihime Music Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1090729
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw

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>>22077105
I don't mean Fate, I mean the practice of making 100h visual novels.I mean making those things that actually made a lot of people to never enter the TM fandom before.
And I don't even mean to say that Tsukihime and Mahoyo won't be released. Maybe they will, but they will either be released as the final visual novels of all time, or will be continued in an more casual fashion. TM was a company that tried to do one thing and from a merchadology perspective "failed" but when they tried to even do something they didn't know how to do properly, their bank accounts numbers skyrocketed, and this is too much a of a stimulus, everybody gets happy when money kicks in. And even Nasu himself creates another reason by proclaiming he feels responsible for the new demand.
There is a biography on Nasu, Takeuchi and Typemoon and I can't help but think Nasu is a very weak and fragile person. Takeuchi on the other hand was always a very entrepeneur type, and if it was not him, Nasu would say as a Game Master of TTRPG with circle of friends and writing books for fun and competitions.
The Status Quo of TM is too much for old man Nasu.