/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>22831330
Words like "good" are ultimately subjective enough it's easy not to see eye to eye on this kind of thing, so to be more clear, my standard for "good" is native level, and when I say "good at Japanese" I mean "at native level".

There are definitely people out there who will be satisfied with functional Japanese (perceived as clunky/bad/foreigner-esque Japanese by natives), but I am not one of them. Honestly I think it's something you might get more sensitive to as you get good enough to see the flaws in your own writing that you just don't know how to fix, and like get little comments from your friends like "actually we would say that like X", etc etc. It's almost a little humiliating at times, really, and I don't mean that in the sense of a prideful person expecting better than themselves, but just like reading an email from your boss that's written in clearly simplistic language that shows they think you won't be able to understand something more complex and it just kind of makes you feel bad, like despite learning for 6 years and striving to improve the ultimate impression you're giving people is that they need to talk down to you for you to understand them.



Anyway, I'm somewhat frustrated that so many replies focus on 3 hours of listening calling it easy without even mentioning the production part. I wonder why that is, because the production part is probably more important overall. Maybe I should have focused on it then mentioned the 3 hours of listening like an offhand thing. If I had to guess, people are focusing on the listening because they aren't doing much production practice and it's easier to focus on what they are doing, maybe with a subconscious desire not to think about an aspect of practice that by not doing they are potentially screwing themselves.

With this in mind I will write a paragraph or two of elaboration on why writing practice is important, and is of such importance that I would specifically say to write all communication in Japanese instead of just "some" like writing a blog post a day.

What must first be understood is that we humans follow the path of least resistance, and when presented with two options we are inclined to take the easier one. Outside of DJT it's pretty common to see people learning Japanese continue to read translated Japanese stuff rather than attempting to read it in Japanese, because they are inclined to take the easier option of reading in English. Naturally, due to this decision they universally fail to learn Japanese. It follows that in matters of production we are inclined to type in English, for Japanese is difficult, and we might even make a manner of excuses like "my japanese output will be bad no matter what so I may as well not bother until I get more listening/reading experience", which is true for the very early stages, but certainly not for those past the one or two year mark.

If left to their own devices a learner will almost always elect to type in English unless English is not an option, such as business mails, and this reflects that it is difficult for them to type in Japanese, much like it is difficult for someone who has never read in Japanese to pick up their first book. To be good at production one must become so comfortable that they do not hesitate whatsoever to type in Japanese. If they were told to write a 3 page essay they must be able to feel like "Yeah sure I'll just write this in Japanese, whatever." But that will never happen unless they get used to production, and that degree of comfort and ease will never come without an enormous degree of production.

What the fuck is up with all these adverbs? I can't tell if they need に、と、or nothing else and there are even words that may be used with any of those aforementioned while others can't. Why Japanese people? Why?

>結構じゃきん！
If you can't identify what dialect this is on sight and what kind of character would use it, you don't know Japanese. Anyone who googles it is baby-tier. Are you a dekiru enough learner to recognize it?

>>18054262
Sage Namasensei sez,
"It's important to focus studying around consuming compelling content. You should WANT to read and do so out of personal interest without 'effort' or 'motivation' entering the equation. Ideally, you will spend hours a day consuming media not with studying or working in mind, but rather just because you enjoy the media itself. Learning the language comes coincidentally with enjoying the media."

>>16771399
あの人・・・