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>>38970318
>but again unless you get evidence to the contrary
How about the first thing I quoted, the narrator saying Suika doesn't kidnap humans? You're saying "it's not true back then", but the text never implied "Suika nowadays etc etc", it instead says she's a strange oni who doesn't do things like the others. How do you read that and get "she must be typical, then"? Rather her weirdness is also why she's up on the surface in the first place, and canonically the oni (who until Kasen weren't known to kill people in Touhou lore) had left due to being killed repeatedly when trying to play games and chill. Despite this betrayal, Suika is the only one who still tries to make friends with humans again. Worth noting that I don't think you should take the case of the oni to be entirely sympathetic as they DID kidnap people, whether Suika kidnapped people or not she at least allowed it (as she was one of the mountains rules), and it's super likely that at the VERY least, Kasen aside, oni killed humans accidentally during their "games".
Personally for point 2 as someone who thinks Suika won't bring harm to humans herself, I figure she's really just a freedom champion above all else. She does what she wants to do and lets other oni do what they want to do, even if that's kidnapping people. As someone who values freedom, she won't kidnap humans/put them in cages, but she won't stop another oni from doing that if they want to/the human can't stop it. At any rate oni clearly value freedom with the plain and present "shackled to nothing" motif they all possess.

>It's made pretty clear that "Suika" was a name she adopted later
False actually. The name she used to go by was Ibuki, and you'd probably guess Ibuki Suika. This is known since Yukari changed history and named the constellation Orion after her with the name Ibuki.
This is mentioned in both CoLA (c22) and WaHH (c25)
>例えば、天の川は鬼神の河であり、そこから鬼の酒が地上に流れ込むとされている。河の近くで力強く輝くオリオン座の三つ星は、妖怪の伊吹童子座と呼ばれ、伊吹童子の三つの力――即ち、調和と有限、そして無限を示しているらしい。

As a matter of fact, Suika has never officially and canonically been called Shuten. The closest would be her subtitle in this very manga (Lotus eaters)

>>22486470
>Wasn't Kasen confirmed to be Ibuki Douji?
No, she's Ibaraki-douji (explicitly confirmed in WaHH's final arc)

Here's Ibuki-douji confirmed explicitly. It's actually the second reference; the first is in CoLA, where Rinnosuke discovers the youkai constellations. Ibuki-douji, her belt, and her gourd/sake are all constellations. River of Heaven (Milky Way) = River of Oni (Sake Way)