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Earth would beat the shit out of the Moon if a war broke out anyways. Moonies are of no threat

humans win in the future anyways
artemis project will be the final nail in the coffin for moonies

>>43366069
You know, except in canon they lunarians jobbed to 1960's 1970's tech America and surrendered entirely to humanity by the time of Maribel and Renko circa 2060ish

Repostan theory thing because I'm bored:

So we all already know about the whole "humans beat Lunarians in the future" thing right? I would like to expand a bit upon that.

Time and time again throughout canon we're told that Lunarians have a massive technological advantage over everyone, including the Outside World, and are basically the only faction in existence that is skilled in both technology and spiritual matters. With a thousands, if not millions of years headstart over everyone and technology exceeding everyone's wildest dreams, how could they have possibly lost to the humans?

I think the answer lies in numbers, time, and motivation. Reimu describes the Lunar Capital as even tinier than Gensokyo is. While childbirth isn't explicitly described as something that produces impurity in-canon, it does produce kegare in IRL Shintoism, so there's a fair chance that the Lunarians population growth is pretty much stagnant. Exact numbers on how many Lunarians there are is scarce, but if they live in a space smaller than Gensokyo and have no population growth, there likely aren't that many of them. With a low population, small area, no population growth, no influx of new ideas, and fervent distaste for anything not originating from their safe-space, the environment the Lunarians live in isn't conducive for any kind of growth or progress at all, and that includes scientific or militaristic progress.

We know for a fact that at least 1500 years ago the Lunarians had cryonic technology (which was considered cutting-edge at the time). We've had the ability to put people on ice since 1976, and more efficient techniques like vitrification since 2006, but we still lack the ability to revive those we froze. It isn't clear if Lunarians also were in a similar situation, because the guy they froze wasn't unfrozen for 300 years, but roughly speaking the Lunarians had 1976/2006-technology or near-future technology about 1500 years ago.

We also know that Yagokoro left the moon about 1200-1300 years ago, and with titles like "Brain of the Moon" and being the Lunar Capital's founder, was likely one of it's foremost intellectuals and best scientists.

Lunarians also have a fairly laid back lifestyle. They do their standardized tasks and then play shogi and shit all day. With infinite lifespan no one is ever in a rush to get anything done.

All of this combined makes it easy to see why Lunarians get BTFO'd by the humans in the future. The Outside World likely has a far, FAR greater population than the Lunar Capital, and with that population all the varying ideologies, faiths, cultures, etc. comes a far greater pool of ideas to work with, as well as a far greater pool of researchers and workers. The Lunar Capital may have had a headstart but I'd bet the overall rate of scientific progress is much higher in the Outside, allowing the humans to catch up (technologically) with the Lunarians at a far accelerated pace. The Lunarians also don't really have anyone to war with, and their "conflicts" are slapfights at worst, while there hasn't NOT been a major conflict killing thousands if not millions at any given point in time in the past 1,000 years of human history. This is why the Lunarians were blindsided by the humans "modern weaponry" and why the tide of the war was in humanity's favor.

>>42412579
But the humans were winning in the second lunar war?

>>41558286
Okay so we all already know about the whole "humans beat Lunarians in the future" thing right? I would like to expand upon it a bit upon that.

Time and time again throughout canon we're told that Lunarians have a massive technological advantage over everyone, including the Outside World, and are basically the only faction in existence that is skilled in both technology and spiritual matters. With a thousands, if not millions of years headstart over everyone and technology exceeding everyone's wildest dreams, how could they have possibly lost to the humans?

I think the answer lies in numbers, time, and motivation. Reimu describes the Lunar Capital as even tinier than Gensokyo is. While childbirth isn't explicitly described as something that produces impurity in-canon, it does produce kegare in IRL Shintoism, so there's a fair chance that the Lunarians population growth is pretty much stagnant. Exact numbers on how many Lunarians there are is scarce, but if they live in a space smaller than Gensokyo and have no population growth, there likely aren't that many of them. With a low population, small area, no population growth, no influx of new ideas, and fervent distaste for anything not originating from their safe-space, the environment the Lunarians live in isn't conducive for any kind of growth or progress at all, and that includes scientific or militaristic progress.

We know for a fact that at least 1500 years ago the Lunarians had cryonic technology (which was considered cutting-edge at the time). We've had the ability to put people on ice since 1976, and more efficient techniques like vitrification since 2006, but we still lack the ability to revive those we froze. It isn't clear if Lunarians also were in a similar situation, because the guy they froze wasn't unfrozen for 300 years, but roughly speaking the Lunarians had 1976/2006-technology or near-future technology about 1500 years ago.

We also know that Yagokoro left the moon about 1200-1300 years ago, and with titles like "Brain of the Moon" and being the Lunar Capital's founder, was likely one of it's foremost intellectuals and best scientists.

Lunarians also have a fairly laid back lifestyle. They do their standardized tasks and then play shogi and shit all day. With infinite lifespan no one is ever in a rush to get anything done.

All of this combined makes it easy to see why Lunarians get BTFO'd by the humans in the future. The Outside World likely has a far, FAR greater population than the Lunar Capital, and with that population all the varying ideologies, faiths, cultures, etc. comes a far greater pool of ideas to work with, as well as a far greater pool of researchers and workers. The Lunar Capital may have had a headstart but I'd bet the overall rate of scientific progress is much higher in the Outside, allowing the humans to catch up (technologically) with the Lunarians at a far accelerated pace. The Lunarians also don't really have anyone to war with, and their "conflicts" are slapfights at worst, while there hasn't NOT been a major conflict killing thousands if not millions at any given point in time in the past 1,000 years of human history. This is why the Lunarians were blindsided by the humans "modern weaponry" and why the tide of the war was in humanity's favor.