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>>6836628

>>5102924
> much in the same way Beatrice did to Battler in ep3
And just how much of what Beatrice did was fake? Here's a hint: it's less than you think.

>>4415180
> Meta E3 is one huge troll.
Except the only part that was truly a troll was the bit at the very end. Everything else was done to try to get Battler to accomplish the goal outlined in >>4415106.

> fantasy E4 is one huge troll
Except the only thing "trollish" about that, with respect to Battler, was the presence of Goldsmith. Unless you are claiming that the Ange and Maria sequences were trolls and not scenes that revealed the truth about magic in Umineko?

> actual 'ich' form narration in E5 is a gargantuan troll.
Except it isn't. Ryukishi07 specifically said that Episode 5 would contain a huge trap that would confirm some of the suspicions of those who were close to the truth, but confuse those who hadn't yet gotten to that point. Even before Episode 5, people had realized that things not seen from Battler's point of view (or rather, the point of view of the detective) were untrustworthy, and that Battler's POV was the only trustworthy narration in the first four Episodes; if you think about it that way, the very fact that Battler is described as witnessing/participating in fantasy scenes in Episode 5 implies that Battler's point of view is no longer trustworthy with respect to any of the events on the gameboard. It wasn't a troll: you simply hadn't come to the right conclusion about narrative POV beforehand. A lot of people didn't grasp that subtle fact, myself included; one of the main reasons was because EP5 seemed to disprove Shkanon for good, so we sidestepped the issue of Erika tossing around red and blue text in Battler's presence.

> so it's always one person huh.
Nah, I've seen people other than myself use it as well.

>>4372628
Part of it, though there are some things that DEEN really can't be blamed for. Anime watchers really just completely miss the point.

Image related.

Your hopes for SeaCats Episode 6:

Sh/Kanon back story or Kyrie/Rudolf/Asumu back story.
Erika gets raped.
Ange stays dead.
Beatrice stays dead.
Kinzo does stuff.
No new characters, we have enough.
No 1998.
Battler doesn't cry.
Better closed rooms.
Bern cries.