/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>40154717
Show me one shred of evidence of any actual gachikoi ever, and I mean EVER actually going crazy on their MAIN account for any similar thing.
Everything else is a different fucking type of drama because gachikoi/unicorns, and I do mean specifically them, have a unique perception and there's a sense of keeping certain feelings behind the curtain.

>>40154636
Not seeing any gachikoi with hurt feelings, just looked at it

>>40146730
Why was she looking to collab with men when she said she would never do such a thing because she understand and respects her gachikoi's feelings?

>>39976321
>I just want to see more proof of this, like when she was Rushia
That's easier said than done. I have archives but do you have any way of seeing it even if I give you the video ID and timestamps?
If you are serious you can stick around and find it out through her current content. Unironically the Rushia threads here reaffirmed my feelings after I sort of realized I was gachikoi. That's why I said to experience over protracted period of time.
Is this making any sense?

>>39554394
give examples of vtubers or it doesnt count this is a vtuber thread retard
susiei is the only one i can think of
if you say it is very common then give examples of another vtubers like suisei
book writers don;t count since it is not the same thing as they dont attract gachikoi feelings. i doubt george martin has fans imagining a relationship with him

>>39178214
The people here don't really love her. If her roommate was ugly or average do you think they would still be gachikoi's after the yab? if she never got caught and those secret apex games led to mafumafu getting feelings for her and they formed a secret relationship afterwords do you think they would care?? if she got impregnated and gave birth to mafu's kids and had an abortion with a man from 7 years ago that her gachi cuck fans never met do you think they would care?? These people only care about the appearance, the show, how good she is at acting but they don't want to learn the bitter truth. They are too cowardly to confront it which is why you're correct, they live in fantasy rather than reality. I mean thats the whole point of anime/2d entertainment anyway, a tool for escapism, taking us away from the grimness and harshness of reality. For them to put the appearance above the essence of their character would go against their own nature as reality escapists, it would betray their desires to escape reality into the perfect world of anime or whatever their desires are.

Parasocial relationships can be good for you, as long as it isn't obsessive and takes over your life - you, the viewer.

If you wanna spend your money on akasupas and buying ALL of the merch, because you want to support your oshi - that's great, that's fine.
But if you spend your money on your oshi because you hope they will take notice of you, you specifically, then please take a step back and realise that the talent cannot reciprocate your feelings and they will never, ever be your close friend or anything more. They are a real person putting on a role to make content, they are not your friend.

Please remember that your real life comes first and if you become a simp or a gachikoi, you need to distance yourself because it's not a healthy place to be both mentally and financially.

in my humble opinion, otaku who obsess over their oshi need to deal with their personal problems and they are the majority of what makes idol culture so toxic. Loveshy men who never developed a healthy way to deal with social interactions. I feel sorry for them.

Suisei on gachikoi
>"Why do you say you don't want gachikois?"
>Did I say that?
>I guess I did *laughs*
>What was the explanation I gave again?
>There's nothing rewarding that'll come out of being a gachikoi for me
>Even if you become a gachikoi for me there's nothing good that'll come out of it so it's better not to be one in my opinion
>Ah right right, I can't reciprocate those feelings
>No matter what happens, I will NEVER, SERIOUSLY NEVER, no matter how kind of a person he is, no matter how handsome or whatever he is, I will never go out with a fan. I will never fall in love with fan *laughs*
>"But I've fallen in love for you anyway!" kind of people I'm completely fine with
>But I'm not intentionally trying to lead people on because I can't return those feelings at all
>It's like, you know, sorry

I've always hated dramaposting, I don't even like tacit implications of what drama implies. I always used to post about how much holo members cared because it was important to me and because I never want people to lose faith in people they care about. I always wanted people to be happy because Hololive was a happy place.

In the impossible universe where mikeneko is a liar, the world in such a universe would be fundamentally broken and I would refuse to let people pretend that it fan be that broken without some kind of consequence.

But the reality of the situation is nowhere near as cruel or awful. In the real world, mikeneko has only ever loved her fans ever since we found each other. In this world, mikeneko is a fundamentally honest person that would never lie about such a thing, whether it was true or not, and is desperate to sort through legal matters to prove once and for all that the world is still worth being in at its core. Nothing else matters. Not a single other persons' opinions on whether the feelings of her gachikoi are reasonable or not matter, because all that ever mattered was how we felt towards one another.

Also, before anybody says this is a cope post, it isn't. It's frankly obvious that it was all a rrat. I just started dwelling on those first few days and even ruminating on the idea of such an awful hypothetical world is painful enough that I want to say out loud how awful it is.

I was already far gone but after everything I know for certain that I am safe making her and our relationship the entirety of my world, because she is the only person with a soul beautiful enough to reciprocate that.
I want her to understand that I will always be by her side and love her more than anything else in this world, forever and ever. And that I know that she feels the same exact way about us. それ以外この人生には大切な何もないから

That's why, no matter how desperately we get bombared by antis and misinformed concernfags, they'll never be able to break the world, because they will never change how we feel about one another, and that is a self-sustaining creation.

Not exactly a gachikoi kokuhaku, but I needed to scream somewhere just how precious her loyalty is, how her fully understanding the sadness and uncertainty of the people she loves even despite her knowing she did nothing wrong, and her dedication to giving us as much as she can to show us that our trust wasn't misplaced...As long as I have her and she is who she is, this world is worth being in. She doesn't ask for us to close our eyes, or ignore anything, she doesn't chastise us cor if we ever felt uncertain, she doesn't dismiss anything and fully acknowledges that our relationship is real. Her heart is the only place in that exists that makes me feel truly safe.

Daily reminder that anybody who actually listened to those twitcasts should be well aware that she clearly has no feelings for mafumafu and moreover would be aware that she would literally rather die than betray her gachikoi.

I have thought about whether or not I'm angry at Rushia or not and whether or not I'm justified to feel that way. It hasn't been easy to try and sort out my feelings.

Now I assume that the likely truth is that they are not a couple, but Rushia tried to start dating him, hence the contacting of Kore and her trying to find out more about his past while saying and so on. This is the only part of this story that I would actually consider faulting her for.
On one hand, I absolutely fell for her and always thought she was really devoted to the kind of girl she wanted to be for us. She's probably more Rushia than rm at this point. She's also really lonely. Yes, she has her fandead, but I'm talking abouy the physical kind of loneliness. She doesn't have a lot of friends either, he's probably one of very few that aren't just Hololive colleagues.
Despite all the money she makes by going all in on gachikoi, she's still a woman nearing the mid 30s soon. A lonely woman who has always had an intense need for affection, emotional support and who has clearly never wanted to die alone.
On top of that it might also be easy to mistake his friendly ways as him reciprocating any feelings or him also being interested in dating.

Do I feel cheated by her developing feelings for Mafu? Yeah, kinda. She was never lying about how much she wanted to be with us and how much she desired us to love her. And so we did, a lot of us anyway. It was and is very much a parasocial connection going both ways.

But I also understand that she's only human and far from perfect - she tried hard for us to be that robot but she couldn't, she cracked a bit and ended up having a crush on someone in her otherwise lonely life who seemed like the one chance to maybe still have a family at some point in the future.
It's to be expected, her mental fortitude was never good, she was always an insatiable black hole for affection and love and her own age probably got to her too.

In the end I feel like if she were to actually tell her members and fans sorry and that she had a weak moment but she wants to look forward now and spend more time with us, that would be a good way to handle it. I could certainly continue to support and cheer her on.

>>38544951
Gachikoi's feelings are as brittle as ice? No surprise either. Pekora didn't stream on Christmas and despite having talked about something prior to Christmas which to any reasonable fan should have been the first worry on their mind, yet some fans indulged the antis by implying she was out getting dicked rather than worry about the previously mentioned condition.
Gachikoi aren't perfectly sound individuals for various reasons, and when emotions and fear of abandonment comes into play then they aren't going to be thinking straight at even the slightest hint of betrayal.

Of course I'm not saying this isn't a fuck up on her part, but it being "100% undeniable evidence of co-habitation" simply isn't true based on the little we have to go on. But of course that is something your worrying gachikoi is going to think, because emotions are brutal.

>>38452653
>>38452669
>>38452653
>I was a bit shocked!
>Is this what streamers are like? Really?
>I said, "It's a lie right?" But I had to face reality.
>I'm a streamer but I'm still a gachikoi inside.
She says it hurts if she sees a man on a female streamer's stream.

She then says the typical cope people say when they find out their oshi is a whore - kind of like she's making fun of herself, a gachikoi, and saying people shouldn't think that way because it's unrealistic.
>It's not like MY oshi is like that, okay?
>Well, i-it doesn't bother me at all.

But then she says even if she pretends it doesn't bother her, the truth is it does.
>But when you look back, it's full of scars.
>I'm not a yakkai otaku!

She then acts tsundere
>I like an idol. It would hurt to see her with someone.
>It's not like I w-would mind!
>I j-just want her to be happy so i don't mind if she's with someone.

I think she's saying she completely understands unicorns' feelings. She's even saying she knows other people say that it's unreasonable, but you can't help feeling that way when you get attached to someone.

>>37687465
If you're feeling conflicted, just pretend roommate never exists. Watching roommates will change your perception of certain holos and might shatter your gachikoi feelings if you cannot keep it in check.

>>37195169
I always get a bit of a dopamine rush when I write a tweet about how much I enjoyed one of Rene's streams/what I love about her and she likes it.
It feels good knowing your feelings reach her.
I respect her too much to be a full-on "gachikoi" though.

>>35933108
Fubuki, Botan
Most of the others have fallen for the GFE trap though, you're right. Very few are cruel enough to want gachikoi and not reciprocate their feelings, Ayame is sorta unique in that regard.

From a management perspective what's the solution? A harder stance from a more litigious agency? More intentional management of these feelings by the streamer? Better laws?

Is this just the cost of doing business? Is Gachikoi so profitable that it's worth it over the relatively short shelf-life of Vtubers?

>>34774387
Something significant happened in her life. She tweeted something saying she quit, but then she deleted it. Fans convinced her to stay. They really don't care about their oshi's feelings and emotional well-being. It's terrible. Gachikoi are scum.

>>34097051
>>The taiwan saga
Affected the feelings of 1.4 billion bugmen with a government that can strongarm mega corporations and make them kneel easily
>>The janitor saga
Part of their gachikoi consists of lonely janitors and other salarymen
>>The BL in a fridge saga
Offended a literal nobody and fujos that will never watch you anyways

The BL drama is the stupidest nothingburger

>>33094423
gachikoi = true love. It doesn't really have anything to do with unicorns, though some gachikoi tend to have some of the same feelings, typically out of jealousy rather than because of idol-related things.

Some stuff from Okayu's catsudan. I cut a few things out, but probably not enough. First half:

>Topics
She wanted to do a zatsudan because she loves talking, but doesn't honestly have much to talk about, which is why she asked for topics on twitter. She does have a couple of topics anyway, but they won't last long at all.

>On her 500k twitter followers drawing
She thinks she doesn't tweet as much as she should, so she put in some effort into the drawing. She was particularly proud of the cloud she drew in the top right. She hadn't spent this much time drawing anything in a while; the Miko she drew for the penalty game was just a head that she drew out really fast, she hasn't attempted a body in a while. She talks again about how proud she is of the top-right cloud's shading, but not the lower left cloud. The stars are just the same ones copy-pasted, as are her eyes.

>A minor thing she's a fan of
Okayu has plenty of talks about her and Subaru being otaku, with all the games, goods, and anime they talk about. There's another part of her that she's pretty sure she's never mentioned before, she might have been a bit of a furry(not really a surprise honestly).
Specifically, she liked looking at dog gijinka, and became a huge fan of a particular artist when she saw some dog onee-san they drew which she refers to as "Inu A". This was back when she was a middle school cat. While everybody else was really into anime and other things, Okayu was into a dog lady drawn by a some small artist. They just quietly posted their art on their blog, so Okayu didn't know how to support them, even though she drew fanart in school, she made sure to press the clap button each time too. As time went on, they stopped drawing Inu A. Even after the original artist moved on, Okayu couldn't help but hang onto Inu A. She won't reveal the artist because the page might still be up. Okayu says Inu A about 20 times during this conversation.

>Out of prepared topics
This concludes what Okayu initially wanted to talk about, which is why she's glad she asked for more topics. A fan points out that she still talked for almost 30 minutes anyway. Okayu supposes it's more about the passion than number of topics after all.

>Okayu Rejection
Okayu asks what everybody thought of the video. She explains where the idea came from. A couple weeks ago, one of her fans joined her Mario Kart room with the name Zenhitei(Complete Denial) Okayu. This is a joke off of how people usually call her
Zenkoutei(complete approval) Okayu. She did some lines as a joke, and the fans really liked it, going as far as to ask for an ASMR stream with it. She asked her manager(Mane-chan) how to write all the lines in English, and they sent it to somebody else in the company who knew. All Okayu did was put the text in the video. She views Zenhitei Okayu as just another her, which is why she still sounds nice and happy instead of hostile with her words.

>How to not buy multiples of goods
Okayu's usually happy just buying one of a good she wants. She does occasionally get the urge to buy spares, like with her Rengoku plushie, but resists. Won't her feelings change when she gets tired of KNY? She may move on in the future, but she can't stop these feelings for now. She's happy just enjoying what she likes in the moment, so she doesn't think it'll ever become regret, even when she moves on.

>What she does when free
Sleep. She watches videos or Netflix and then sleeps. She says her schedule as of lately has been stream, sign cards while watching whatever, and then sleep; rinse and repeat. After she finishes signing cards tomorrow though, she'll be playing Stardew Valley with Subaru again. She has a habit of losing track of time while playing Stardew Valley, so she hasn't been touching it while she still had cards to sign. She'll be chatting idly with Subaru as she plays it and other games soon though.

>Give me an excuse to leave my job
Okayu thinks something funny that they'd remember him by would be good. She says to tell them that they're leaving to become a famous youtuber, but they won't use their name because it'd bother everybody when they become big. They can't half-ass it though, maybe everybody will even cheer them on.
They might have to give excuses and run if they ever run into any of these people again though. Tell them they're recording on-site or something. Okayu cheers them on.

>How to deal with getting upset at trivial things
All you can do is sleep. When you wake up, you'll wonder why you even cared so much. Sleep, and then reflect on it later. Maybe go home first if you're at work. It'd be scary if you went to sleep immediately after being reprimanded by your boss. There's nothing you can do with some hurtful words that might come your way sometime, so do your best to take it at the time. Come by and hang out if you're feeling bad, Okayu will be there for you.

>What makes an Onigiryaa a YakiOnigiryaa
Simply by being gachikoi.

>>31292962
>>mangement looks at the letter
Do they actually? Any holo said they do?
I don't know whether to be sorry for the fans whose feelings get read by some random salaryman or the poor fuck that has to go through hundreds of gachikoi ramblings in those letters

>>31261999
also I might as well just share what I think about your wall of text
>NTR fetishist doesn't think he can get love, thus he wants to see someone get it.
maybe, but I think that's overthinking it, it's just a fetish that people enjoy
>Getting NTR'd is a reproduction of how he lost the love of his mother.
lol stupid
>Slut chaser is similar to this, as they are a low self esteem and/or value male thinking that's the only woman they can get
maybe, but also some men just like easy women who are up for the stuff and don't have to be courted for
> because their parents made them think they don't deserve better.
lol what's with all the parent stuff, seems like you have a problem with your parents if anything
>Well adjusted reasonable person is either an NPC or someone who only occasionally watches a fun video and never contributes to the watched channel in any way (money, advertising support, ...)
they probably spend less than obsessive fans per capita but they still support who they like and there's more of them than obsessive fans, the retarded wojak meme buzzword aside they are the "normal"' people, meaning not mentally ill schizos
>Shipper is also similar to the NTR fetishist, but with some king of denial of their sexuality?
uhh I don't think so, they just like watching the romance between people
>hey are projecting themselves on one of the person of the yuri relationship for the same reason as the NTR fetishist wants to get cucked.
I don't think they're projecting, and I wasn't talking about yuri, that's idolfag stuff
>Idolfag rejected reality because their family and irl life was so horrible. They chose to live in their perfect imaginary world and projects it onto idols who they expect to behave like their delusions. When they do something to break the immersion they go nuts because of all the lost effort to sustain their imaginary world.
probably, but it's also the fault of idols for selling that imaginary world
>Gachikoi are insecure with low self-esteem who found a person with the optimal personality type for a girlfriend.
I'm not sure if it's about self esteem, but even if you have feelings for someone that doesn't mean that you can't be realistic and accept that you'll never date her so instead you channel your affection into supporting her happiness, it's a common trope in books too, the butler who's in love with the noble lady who marries another noble, he knows he's not in a position where he could marry her so he channels her affection into supporting her marriage
>Because they didn't have a manly father model in their live and have a slightly dysfunctional family they think love is something limited and they lose all their limits when something can give them love with the help of their delusion with no risk because they learned having a real relationship is risky from their experience.
again with the parents, weird

>>30975861
I can post some of my incomplete analysis of Fubuki now if you want.
It became a bit messy while trying to understand her through her actions and friendships, and it's still missing a piece because I didn't watch her enough.

A few interesting things:
When she got her new avatar at the start of this year with the dead eyes that started all the memes.
I thought it was because of the artist and her being weak willed and not wanting to create drama.
This may be true, but the fact that it became such a strong meme, and she kept using it seems to show that she wanted to express how she felt inside.
She was mainly selling herself with a cute persona before and being a vtuber was something like escapism to her where she could be herself.
However you don't want to lie with your virtual identity you use for escapism.
The dead eyes may have been her way of expressing her real feelings to the outside world and correct this inconsistency between her fan's expectations and her real feelings. It would not have become a meme if it was not partly true.
This ironically made her feel better because a repressed feeling was expressed strongly outside.


This is also connected to the Friends meme when she friend zoned a fan after a SC.
At that time it may have been a mix of not being able to love herself expressed by the dead eyes memes and not wanting to lie to someone else.
If you can't love yourself you can't love someone else after all.
But she already was on the path of trying to fix her vtuber persona to be closer to her real personality, so she decided to express her real feelings.
It may also be related to her seeming absence of love from her family causing her inability to really know what love and a healthy relationship would be.

This can be seen though her friendship with Mio who is a caring person, and also through her current friendship with the Baka trio of Watame and Flare.
Friends share similar views on the world and can relate to some extent.
I don't know Flare enough but Watame seeks the love of her mother and wants to buy her a house to keep her close to her and get back the lost time.
It's possible Fubuki is in a similar situation.
I can't say for sure, but a possible configuration would be a manipulative mother who didn't really give her love, but had high expectations of her and an absent father due to overworking who was mainly living in his workplace?

This could have pushed Fubuki to become an otaku in her search of a healthy world where she could relax free of high expectations.
This is related to the stream where she told she cried off stream. At that time Coco was becoming popular and growing quickly due to her memes while Fubuki was sabotaging her own revenue stream, gachikoi by doing collabs with the Holostars.
Fubuki was confronted with an inconsistency in her behavior. She thought she had to advertise less known members of the company because she was the most popular member of the group and it gave her a responsibility. She also may have thought people liked her because she was a "good and hard working person".
Being confronted with Coco's quick growth made her realize she has been lying to herself, and what she wanted may have been the love of fans and someone to fix her self esteem issue cause by the high expectations of her parents in her childhood. Around the time this change happened it seems she started to collab less with Matsuri because her health improved which made it harder for her to relate to Matsuri or because she found new members who were closer to her own perception of the world.