/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>44112917
it never fails to amuse me seeing how delusional ENfags are, they unironically think EN3 will be ''saving'' holoEN and their golden gen because of ''holo 3rd gen magic".
they really have skewed expectation to the girls just because they realize their branch went downhill and reclining because their whores are lazy.
they already have their golden gen with Myth but still want more & not satisfied, amazing.

>they'll announce EN3 right after the Link Your Wish HoloFes to ride the 3D debut hype
>they'll announce EN3 right after ID3
>they'll announce EN3 right after Uproar, it's too crowded right now
>they'll announce EN3 on Golden Week, THE EN3 IS REAL
>they'll announce EN3 on June/July
>they'll announce EN3 right after Tempu-bahahahahha
>they'll announce EN3 right after summer, just you see
>they'll announce EN3 right after Council anniversary
>they'll announce EN3 right after Myth anniversary
>they'll announce EN3 on October, look at all those free days, they can even be horror themed
>they'll announce EN3 on November before the holiday season
>they'll announce EN3 right before HoloX's anniversary, trust the plan...
>they'll announce EN3 just before New Years, trust the PLAN
>they'll announce EN3 right after the new Tempiss gen no one asked for, TRUST YAGOO
>they'll announce EN3 before Our Bright Parade HoloFes, just think about the potential watchalong kino
>they'll announce EN3 right after HoloFes and both ID3 and Uproar anniversaries, y-you can't have a gen announcement on a Fes
>they'll announce EN3 this first week of April, the timing can't be more perfect
>they'll announce EN3 on either Golden Week, again, or the first week of May, again, YOU GOTTA BELIEVE, THE EN3 IS STILL REAL
>they'll announce EN3 right before the HoloEN concert for yet again another unfulfilled kino watchalong
>they'll announce EN3 on the HoloEN concert in LA - GET HYPED HOLOCHADS, THE TIME IS NOW!
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<<<YOU ARE HERE>>>
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>they'll announce EN3 right after HoloSummer and the ID 3D lives that takes up the whole of July
>they'll announce EN3 right after the Tempus anniversa-ahahahaha
>they'll announce EN3 after Council anniversary (2 YEARS WITHOUT A NEW GEN BTW)
>they'll announce EN3 after Myth anniversary
>they'll announce EN3 on October, look at all those empty weeks again, you gotta believe me this time
>they'll announce EN3 on November before the holiday season
>they'll announce EN3 on the actual fucking holiday season, just in time before ShilloX's 2nd Anniv
>they'll announce EN3 right after Tempiss 2 celebrates their anniversary that should have been EN3's in the first place
>they'll announce EN3 right before 2024 HoloFes so they can watch JP7 and maybe even ID4 show off their 3Ds, boy I sure wish they could have joined them, if only...
>they'll announce EN3 right before politicians and think tanks use chuubas as a scapegoat for the upcoming US elections
>they'll announce EN3 when...
>they'll announce EN3...

>>43570189
AMERICAN IDOL LOL
while western idol concept might be different it's still not a fucking rocket science.
They should've hired otaku weebs just like they did with JP branch who are into idol stuff and will be committed to hololive. Check their first EN requirements. It was some "part-time" tier nonsense with no commitments.
Tho I guess technically they didn't know if new branch would be successful enough so they were playing it safe with myth. council has NO excuse tho.
With doing "EN are streamers" shit officially they abandoned one thing that makes hololive different from almost everybody else. Why would people watch ENs instead of other billion twitch streamers and thots when they don't do idol shit, don't pander to gachis and doing Fauna's we are not friends stuff.
That's why EN was falling the fuck off for years now.
Also I still can't believe they actually hired 2 waves of holostars instead of gen 3 and 4 for holoEN...

the absolute state of myth

>Gura and Ina
Soft-retired at this point. They will NEVER return to regular streaming. As far as I, or anyone else is concerned, they may as well have already graduated. Stop coping and accept the facts, there are only 3 members of myth now.
>Ame
Debuffson continues to get lower and lower streaming numbers as she streams random garbage without any soul. Once touted as "la creatividad" for her inventive and unique streams, has lost all creative spark and now just streams the same soulless content over and over.
>Mori
Had one of the most catastrophic downfalls (in terms of numbers) of anyone I've ever seen. In the span of a single year has lost three-quarters of her audience and only gets a small fraction of the stream and music views that she once did. Her average CCV has started to even fall below Bae and Kiara, making her the WORST performing member of HoloEN and one of the worst in Hololive period. Even homos mog her at this point.
>Kiara
The only one that regularly streams, has maintained quality and hasn't reclined. She is in the best position of anyone in myth, which is sad to say, given how low of a bar that is. Kiara used to be the punching bag of all numberfags for the longest time and now, simply by not fucking up, she has ended up in the most solid position of anyone in myth. Embarrassing.

>>>/vt/46021394
Okay, I finished reading the Cover document for investors. There isn't TOO much to say, unless you're really into the investment minutia of stuff like growth ratios, revenue stream diversification, and business terminology out the wazoo. But there is some stuff of note for you guys, so I'll post the notes I took while reading for everyone.
Holo Financial Notes:
>Superchats and Memberships: 38% of Revenue
>Concerts/Events: 16%
>Merch: 35%
>Collabs/Licenses: 10%
>All Revenue sources list "Profit share with VTuber" as a major cost, meaning the girls make good money on each
>Longterm COVER Business Plan:
>Step 1: Continue growing as usual
>Step 2: Make more licensing deals and fan events while continuing with Vtubing as usual
>Step 3: Launch HoloEarth as an MMO which directly super-charges our Vtubing business
>At no point do they plan on sidelining Vtubing as their growth model, but they want to utilize Vtubing to become entangled in all entertainment forms that Japan specializes in (Anime and Video Games, basically)
>COVER averaged out their revenue from each Vtuber to be about 1.5 million dollars each (by taking every person under contract and dividing the total revenue earned to each of them equally)
>COVER is currently and actively working on North American (or at least overseas for HoloEN) supply chains, so expect better merch prices as shipping costs decrease
>COVER's plan for HoloEarth: They call it "Metaverse," it's actually just an MMO, almost like PSO2?
>Most monetarily sus part: planned market for accessories and costume parts for an avatar. Equivalent to CS:GO skins? Or maybe Grand Exchange?
>they say that they want to sell digital merch on Holoearth on top of real life merch, so you better believe your ass is getting ohsi pins for five bucks a pop on that avatar character and limited time concert merch
>for major risks, COVER lists: Vtuber burnout, Youtube fucking them, and the risk of becoming too horny (literally write "if we become a threat to the public/moral order")
>there's a lot of technical stuff about growth rates and investment stabilization that won't interest most of you
>The big goals with this investment: MAKE PRETTIER VTUBER MODELS FOR 3D CONTENT, BUILD A NEW MOTION CAPTURE STUDIO SO THEIR BACKLOG ISN'T FUCKED, AND BUILD A HOLOLIVE APP
>a lot more investment stuff that people here wouldn't care about, like revenue flows
>interesting statistic: Ever since Myth debuts, COVER's overseas viewship ratio has been about 40% Overseas, 60% Japanese. But before Myth had debuted, the Overseas fan ratio had been growing, since around the start of COVID. So the Hololive overseas market was showing signs of popping off before the big pop-off.
>Cover keeps stats of "# of days until 100k subs, and this stat has sat at "Zero Days" for the last two years
>For their workforce, Management accounts for 17% of all workers, the game devs having 11%, VTuber developers at 35%, Marketing and Event Planners at 22%, and White Collar Office Workers at 14%.
>Mori and Suisei are specifically listed as strong brand drivers via music promotion (So are Chloe and Marine, but specifically via TikTok Zoomers)
>Cover specifiically said that their convention circuit was important to their growth, listing events like AnimeNYC and Crunchyroll Expo as big events (If you were at those cons, your picture is probably in an international investment document!)
There you go. Seems very standard, and mostly serves to show off what was probably obvious to everyone here already: Hololive makes a fuckton of money, the girls are all financially healthy, and so is their company as a whole.

>>42667784
Myth did everything in their power to debuff their numbers and Council was DOA. Couple that with hilariously incompetent management and you arrive at HoloEN being a complete meme.

Kiara - A human garbage who repeats the history of being a schizo bitch which later results in her being left out of everything, deserves a painful death for ruining Myth irreversibly
Mori - I don't think she deserves that amount of haters but the fact is that she's an annoying moron
Ame - A backstabbing two-faced bitch who thinks she's taken the moral high ground siding with human garbage like Kiara, deserves all the haters for what she did recently
Ina - I don't agree with her nepo hires but she's not popular so whatever right
Mumei - Orcschizo who successfully infiltrated holoEN, says "my time will come" in her rentry (she wants to go the regular schizo way and murder Kiara?? idk but sure hope so), throws one of the most loyal holoEN artists under the bus
Sana - A quitter who gives hololive her all only when she's about to leave

feel free to prove me wrong

https://files.catbox.moe/b549qy.png
https://rentry.org/qrk9n
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1550065172718309376

take the red pill

>>40553642
I doubt it
JP had the same misconception before holoEN debuts
people who watch JP vtubers do it for a reason barely anyone jumped from JP to EN. Myth tapped into entirely new audience.
If anything it could be the other way around if homoENs are successful enough (which they won't be)

>>40533175
It's because there is no HolostarsEN, it's all under the HoloEN blanket. So Tempus is like Myth and Council

Why is Cover forcing HoloEN to tweet made up stories of how happy and fun the Myth girls are right now?

>>39760771
>Watch streams, HoloEN wasn't a guarantee of success back when Myth and Council applied and they're far less greedy for numbers compared to shitstains like gen 5 and gen 6

*Ahem*
PFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAhahahahahahahhahaha

I like you funny Anon.

>>39760752
Watch streams, HoloEN wasn't a guarantee of success back when Myth and Council applied and they're far less greedy for numbers compared to shitstains like gen 5 and gen 6

I've been in this thread for a year now and noticed a lot of misconception about Towa that i want to clarify.

"Towa is not supported"

If i were a cold heart Corporation, i would have scarped her since years ago. But no she was given sponsorship, outfit, covers 3D, a whole ass concert, their 3D at when she first came out imo are even better than the rest of the girls(especially in object tracking) and 2 upcoming Gen. Also we all know Towa is Yagoo's personal project, and he was her drinking buddy and manager/mentor in their earlier days. I'd say that she is well supported in a way that don't undermine her success.

"Towa is not successful"

People here are blinded by the girls success to see Towa is doing pretty well themselves, some only do this as a part time job like Gen1,2 girls but the top girls who do this full time was averaging 10k-20k CCV (which is huge compare to average streamer and let you live supper comfortably) Subaru(who used to be homeless? correct me if i'm wrong) is moving to a better house, Matsuri was visiting host clubs as much as she's going to convenience store, lots of collaboration with different store and JP celebrities like the one just happened with ARGONAVIS. Calling her unsuccessful was like calling Pewdiepie poor compared to Elon.

"Towa shouldn't have marketed themselves as idol if they want to be successful"

Those who say this don't realize how big female idol group can get in Japan. For every group that goes big there's a dozen groups that are average and 100-1000 groups go unnoticeable. Female idol is a competitive market and Towa choose to become Holo despite knowing this, a big part of this sub fail to understand that Towa herself WANT to become idol. If the jobs description were to be different, you'll see these girls (whom you guys want to support) with completely different voices and even avatars.
Obligation :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMXsU-RczgY

"Towa need HoloEN to be successful"

No one know for sure, the Western community might give JP talents a significant buff in viewership at first in the vtuber boom but in the end it mostly come back to Jp/Japanese speaking viewers. We can see this with the decline in viewership of HaaChama to the lack of discussion of JP talents in this sub. EX: Korone stellar performant in her birthday live with barely anyone talk about in this sub (i myself want to be a lurker have to make a post about it to bump up the discussion); her getting sick right after and had to take a break too, no discussion ( this is not the 1 month long hiatus which is right after, that one got to the front page). English speaking viewer will priority English speaking talents not JP. Also i often see people point out at the new Luxiem group and their success as proof of Males Vtubers can be supper success in Western sphere. For this i'd say you are heavily mistaken, their viewership comes mostly from JP, TW, CN and SEA. You can see their CCV from barely above the Niji girls in NA primetimes went to triple in East Asia prime time. I have no doubt HoloEN will success as streamers go but unless going for English speaking fujo in EA is what they want, no one can really predict if they can be success at a level that satisfies this sub (aka Myth council) were they to chose to aim for only the Western market.

"Towa should be allowed to collab with the boys like this and this company"

This one really annoy me cuz it manage to do 2 thing: Being misinformation and being disrespected to the boys. First one is self explained, there's no ban, about 1/3 of the girls have already collab with them. For the second, it's like saying Towa can't make it on their own with out rely on their more famous branch while they're already success as streamers go. Also why are you go for a company that famous for their "Cute girls doing cute thing" and "Boys in their locker room" and demand it to be changed, that's just you try to virtual signal and fight a strawman that no one in the entire company are bothered with.

Sry for the bad Engriish.

>>38875736
Myth was ok but now the second wave has a irl pronoun schizo. And the worst part is that HoloEN is a normalfag gathering around hololive. I don't mind casual watchers but normalfags. Those are the ones who make the most amount of damage. See how they started cheering for Rushia and mafumafu's imaginary relationship. They also are the ones who say it's bad for the holomems to make loli/shota jokes and shit. They hurt people. They are bad people.

>>38829845
No way, HoloEN is so much fucking better than NijiEN girls it's not even funny. Like it's embarassing how low quality in the NijiEN girls are in pretty much every single aspect compared to Council, let alone fucking Myth.

>>38518236
Nah I think I'll start posting songs for you to dance to
Ayame - Yoi no yo, yoi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkxzFgbJqQ
Oga - Silent Night Requiem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG8yKByxSR0
Reine - Cinderwella
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6C7-azdU7I
Mori and Gura - Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aetXqd9B8WE
AZKi - Neko Naraba Ikeru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINNB2g6cIA
Chloe - Animal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-wDgxGCj4g
Suisei - Lower One's Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KUZHKI-BDk
Lui - Phony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpWoW36wJII
Bae - Hontou no Oto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAwJ0_uqhb4
Luna - Absolute RoyaltyNanonanora!
https://youtu.be/LaZIY8bYf-k
Miko and Suisei - Animal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBLZKFKXyg
Shion - Animal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vZOV32ICAs
AZKi - Let Me Have a Bite Please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHFULja-4s
Choco, Subaru and Luna - At God's Mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ-QnXZR4mc
Aqua - Aqutan No Koto Sukisugi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obAQCo_8wGs
Koyori - Sil Vous President
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ON2ZZHarMw
Rikka - Lower One's Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELP7sBBIJU
Polka - Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EuqR0GavMk
Rushia - Omoikou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibXRzMUUWPE
Kanata and Topanga - madoromi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nEnPOXLEk
Mel - Animal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkAlXnJPVPA
Meimei - A New Start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py21QCndbxc
Risu - ALiCE&u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGviVpVE1fA
Korone, Lamy, Noel and Marine - Friend Shitai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_eK0ujrhmY
HoloEN (Myth) - Journey Like a Thousand Years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJErsN-ylU
Marine - Death by Glamour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91I8Xf_5QAA
Sora - Venom
https://youtu.be/sf_crPbd-TQ
Subaru - Taiyou Shoujo
https://youtu.be/ZcBQiLqrD_I
Korone and Miko - Mikkorone Showtime!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCUK_IyRTY8
Watame & Botan - Shishi Wata Cooking!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsPSaFbonGo
Miyabi and Izuru - Universe
https://youtu.be/cmT3Z2TQkEU
Astel & Oga - Garando
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaol7imXNd4
Roboco - Bocca della Verita
https://youtu.be/c25iBKPN6w4
Flare - Goodbye Sengen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm28179erkY
Nenechi - Lunch With Me
https://youtu.be/3BDefdMXWkI
IRyS - Sink again, Rise again
https://youtu.be/hj7dF69OznY
Mori and Boogey VOXX - Crown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSw_0FmjmEE
La+ - God-Ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTb_AvLchgY
Ayame, Roboco and Akirose - Suspect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lFmjbdOTyc
Kiara and Ina - Whatever Whatever Whatever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5yfM_UlucY
Moona - Villian
https://youtu.be/Jr3Z9qtBk7k
Rikka - Encore
https://youtu.be/A8udlo9FfPY
Gura and Mori - KING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIhngowViI
Ayame and Matsuri - Shindeshimautowa Nasakenai!
https://youtu.be/kUxl0rkmD08
Aqua - For the Win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGFm-O5IOU
Kiara and Gura - Ai Kotoba III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IIoZsci8Y
Ollie and Astel - Okochama Sensou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOsqlM_6JcI
Ina - Tabi no Tochuu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIv_yYKl9tQ
Roberu, Astel and Temma - Nihon no Mikata -Nevada Kara Kimashita-
https://youtu.be/d0bzKnl5uek

>>38097087
So what is HoloEN 4th gen theme? So far there has been Myth, Hope and Shit.

>>37729143
FORGOT TO UPDATE
WE ALSO LOVE
- HOLOSTARS GEN 1
- HOLOSTARS GEN 2
- HOLOSTARS GEN 3
- HOLOEN MYTH
- HOLOEN HOPE
- HOLOEN COUNCIL
- NIJISANJI GAMERS

>>37220231
I think November is gonna be jam-packed with events already. You have gen 3 concert at the end of the month and holoEN Myth outfit might be out next week.

>https://twitter.com/Petra_Gurin/status/1451556454758903818
>new Niji gen is named ROFMAO
>literally because they combined ROFL and LMAO
I will never make fun of HoloEN's stupid ass Myth and Council shit ever again.

>>36551207
>I don't think that's a big deal and even if it were, do you really think they'll suspend/graduate their highest sub holo and her JP Oshi because of that?
>Plus i'm sure management would have a bad blood with Myth, it'll end HoloEN LMAO if they're that sensitive

>>36551101
>>36551086
I don't think that's a big deal and even if it were, do you really think they'll suspend/graduate their highest sub holo and her JP Oshi because of that?
Plus i'm sure management would have a bad blood with Myth, it'll end HoloEN LMAO if they're that sensitive

>>35153551
>going back to 2019
>knowledge of the future
>can't do anything to stop the oncoming avalanche
>use it to shitpost and make the thread think there's an insider lurking the threads
HoloEN is a Myth
"From First"

>>34813179
It probably was. HoloEN is a myth didn't get noticed until we got slapped in the face with it.