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Okay, I'll take my time to explain this. Assuming that you are serious, I also did come to realization that Anki for remembering vocab is totally useless about 4 months ago, not even that, the act of trying to "remember" words is dumb IMO, but I still stand for the fact that if I could go back to March 2017 when I started, I'd still do RTK 1 before learning Japanese.

And it's not to "guess" meanings of words, I don't know if anyone does this, I don't do it, never did even after RTK unless it's super obvious and even then I still check to be sure, it's simply for recognition. When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how langauge words and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll froget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month! During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time i just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not intersted in stuff with furigana, and I'm not, I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy, recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

So yeah, my point, people who recommend "knowing 2000 kanji" ahead, it's not for trying to guess words, I can assure you people still look up every new word they see unless it's pronounced and super obvious to guess what it is.

>>19659838
Okay, I'll take my time to explain this. Assuming that you are serious, I also did come to realization that Anki for remembering vocab is totally useless about 4 months ago, not even that, the act of trying to "remember" words is dumb IMO, but I still stand for the fact that if I could go back to March 2017 when I started, I'd still do RTK 1 before learning Japanese.

And it's not to "guess" meanings of words, I don't know if anyone does this, I don't do it, never did even after RTK unless it's super obvious and even then I still check to be sure, it's simply for recognition. When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how langauge words and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll froget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month! During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time i just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not intersted in stuff with furigana, and I'm not, I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy, recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

So yeah, my point, people who recommend "knowing 2000 kanji" ahead, it's not for trying to guess words, I can assure you people still look up every new word they see unless it's pronounced and super obvious to guess what it is.

>>19645538
>just remember 以 thats it
When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how the langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time I just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not (I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy), recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

>>19628080
>>19628223
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>>19628058
When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how the langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time I just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not (I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy), recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

>>19628066
RTK takes about the same amount of time regardless if you're competent in the language. Recognizing the kanji won't do much for your ability to write.

>>19611067
When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how the langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time I just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not (I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy), recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

So yeah, my point, people who recommend "knowing 2000 kanji" ahead, it's not for trying to guess words, I can assure you people still look up every new word they see unless it's pronounced and super obvious to guess what it is.

>>19594516
>have you tried just reading and writing
Yep. And I'll take my time to explain this albeit a waste of time in this thread. First off I came to the realization that Anki for remembering vocab is totally useless about 4 months ago, so we're probably in agreement there. Not even that, the act of trying to "remember" words is dumb IMO, but I still stand for the fact that if I could go back to March 2017 when I started, I'd still do RTK 1 before learning Japanese.

And it's not to "guess" meanings of words or anything like that (the keywords are just placeholders), I don't know if anyone does this, I don't do it, never did even after RTK unless it's super obvious and even then I still check to be sure, it's simply for recognition. When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget them once you've already looked them up anyways. So here's a true story and one example.

I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time i just saw it in a new context, my brain would go
>fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!
And to the point where I was about to quit learning the language. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not, I'd rather shoot myself than read manga or NHK easy, recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

So yeah, my point, people who recommend "knowing 2000 kanji" ahead, it's not for trying to guess words, I can assure you people still look up every new word they see unless it's pronounced and super obvious to guess what it is.