/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>28006818
Opportunities revoked is liked you said, only according to Meiro. Collabs/Sponsorships is also not accurate, as we have no idea even in Meiro's screenshot, what they mean by that. The most reasonable understanding is that Roa will not want to collab with Meiro, and events hosted that other members will prioritize Roa if they chose to do so, which yes is still a form of power harassment if it gets to that point, but the problem is it hinges on the fact that Roa herself is not convinced about Meiro's accent.

Putting in a request for her to change her accent is not "demanding". If Roa withdraws her request, management won't go after her. Being scared that talking in person would escalate the conflict is not a reasonable response to ignoring everything. You can't have a disagreement, then not try to work towards a compromise at all if you act in good faith.

>>28007082
Or ask for a recording of the conversation that they would have had in real life? Or why not ask for a third part witness?

And no, the problem is people are conflating discrimination for a job based on accent, with putting in a request for someone to change that accent if they can. "Mediating" between disagreements isn't wrong. It only because an issue if they start to threaten her into changing it. The only source for that is Meiro, and the logic for them threatening her makes zero sense. Meirobeing afraid of meeting Roa in person because they threatened her, and the only reason they would threaten her is because Meiro didn't go to compromise with Roa is circular.

>>28007480
>Want my fingerprints too?
Ironic you are using this argument as Roa wanted to "confirm" Meiro's accent by having her leak where she lived/was born and talk to her in person.

>>28007370
How can you be this stupid? They are live streamers, in a live stream Meiro can acidentally slip back into her old accent. How about for that job of yours, sure switch your accent, but you have a monitor watching you every time you work, and any time you use your old accent you pay gets cut 20%.

>>28007238
>the girl not wanting to change her fucking accent is the one being unreasonable, not the one asking her to do so by getting the company involved
The DMs clearly show that Meiro got wind of all this through management before getting wind of this through Roa, confirming that Roa went crying to management before talking to her. We have no idea what the management told Meiro, but from what vtuber Keemstar said apparently they threatened to cut all future collabs if she didn't comply. We don't know whether it's true or not, but even if it's not true it's already shitty enough on Roa's end to get management involved because your kouhai has the same accent as you, before even talking with said kouhai in person.

>>28006532
>Nothing there is "forcing" her to change it
According to Meiro's side of events, she would have had opportunities revoked (collabs, sponsorships, etc...), even if Roa herself did not threaten to graduate. This is in line with a formal "punishment" in case of disobedience. Whether it was Ichikara or management or not is irrelevant. Meiro was threatened with discipline if she did not conform to their very unreasonable request/harassment.

>not wanting to take sides between the two
Except they did by taking Roa's side and demanding she change her accent.

>how is that unreasonable?
You can see from the Discord messages that Meiro was already keenly aware of how big of an issue this was for Roa, on account of the severity of the punishment that would be levied against her. Meiro, according to Roa's own discord messages, was legitimately scared that talking to Roa is person would escalate the conflict rather than solve anything.

>>28005987
It's not inappropriate if she's able to speak without it, for them to request her to change it and compromise further. Nothing there is "forcing" her to change it, nor did Roa threaten to graduate, nor did they threaten to graduate her if she didn't change it.

Prior to everything blowing up, there were only a few people blaming Meiro for copying her accent. They refused the public statement on the grounds of it literally not mattering, and not wanting to take sides between the two. If people are harassing Meiro about it to the point she can't stream, that's a completely different issue to the one she has with Roa, and I'm 100% sure management would be glad to help her with that. Roa's request was to meet up so she could confirm the accent considering Meiro didn't use it at all beforehand, how is that unreasonable?

>>28006258
Voice call should have been alright too, but there's no point speculating when Meiro just doesn't respond.

>>28004739
I don't really give a fuck about the polite bullshit and corporate sweettalk around this case, the only thing this boils down to is this:
>join vtuber company, start streaming
>senior requests you to not use your FUCKING ACCENT YOU LIVED WITH YOUR ENTIRE LIFE
>company you just joined just says to TALK IT OUT LOL
>this is probably the absolute biggest bullshit Meiro have witnessed up until now in her life and decides to burn the fucking place down, cause as much chaos as possible and fuck up all the bridges

Anyone who is angry at Meiro never experienced the absolute joy of fucking a shitty employer over while quitting them. Good for her.

>>28005909
>Also Ichikara knew Meiro had an accent.
Sorry I meant that they knew she spoke with a certain dialect, not which one though.

>Roa and Meiro's DM Translation #1 August 2

>Roa

>Hi, I'm Roa. Do you have time today? I want to talk to you (in person). I've come this far because I spent a year and a half putting my all into my vtuber activities. This is a very important matter to me. Please, can we talk?

>Meiro

>Hi, I'm Meiro. I want to hear what you say but I have an upcoming stream, so it's difficult (to make time), sorry. And this might be disrespectful to a senpai, but will you really be calm and collected when we talk in person? For this kind of talk, both sides need to be calm. If we can't then we should give ourselves some space and talk at a later date. As a matter of fact, I love Nijisanji and I am respectful towards all my senpais. You are no exception. I only recieved info from Ichikara but I've heard your part. And I can't accept that I've been told that my accent is copying. I'm sure you know this, but my accent is real.Nobody is copying anybody. (Everybody's accent is copied from their relatives). But to not destroy your demon world accent I have not revealed my birthplace. I know that I have been told by some people that I copied your accent, but to protect your roleplay I have remained silent. I've been told by Ichikara not to use "deyo". I've seen your past streams, and it seems you regularly use "deyo". In the past , I used to say "deyo", but that was remedied during my childhood, and I don't use it now. It only comes out during my horror game streams. However, your "deyo" is used as a inflection at the end of a sentence, but my"deyo, soregayo" is used as a conjunction. I'm sure you know this, but this is the accent's original form. I think that your usage of using "deyo' to replace "dayo" as an inflection is unique to you. And I don't use "deyo" in that way.If you request that I don't use "deyo" for your sake, then I shall do my best not to. I have no intention of degrading you. I was planning on using Standard Japanese to stream. That is all . if you don't agree, or get angry, please talk with me through Ichikara. Sorry for the long text. I shall repeat myself, but I have no intent of being hostile to you. if I have made you unhappy in anyway, I apologize.

>Translation#2 Meiro

>Sorry, you are the one who said you wanted to talk to me, but I've said my part first. I'm really sorry.

>Roa

>Even if we talk through Ichikara, there are thoughts that I (or Meiro's thoughts, not sure) that will not be conveyed so I want to talk with you in person. Some things can't be understood if we don't talk in person, so please..

>Meiro

>I have no objection to talking with you in person! That's fine with me. But I want you to know that my accent is not copying yours. I'm open to any discussion since we are both Nijisanji livers.

>Roa

>Do you have time today?? I know you are busy, but please reply to me when you can talk. I don't want to fight with you or anything, even if we talk through Ichikara there will be no progress for about 3 weeks so I think we have no choice but to talk in person. Please tell me about your plans.

>I've been a vtuber for 1.5 years now, Yuzuki Roa is very important to me, i spent 1.5 years to make sure my character did not overlap with anybody else's, worked hard to create a individuality of my character that would not get buried by other vtubers. This is something as important as life to me, so please listen...

>I've never talked in person with you, so I don't know how to type my words properly....if my words seem harsh to you then I apologize, but this is something like life to me that I have treasured so please. Also I don't know who told you that your accent was copying, I never used that term to Ichikara, and I want you to know that I did not say to change your way of speaking. (might be tl error,someone check this)

>18 August Roa

>I really want to talk to you, please give me some time.


Taken from the place you hate.
Also Ichikara knew Meiro had an accent.

>>28005758
They requested that Meiro change her accent.

>>28005352
It's not. Management accepted Roa's request because Meiro didn't use an accent at all during the audition. Roa sent the request because according to her, her RP is very important and is worried having someone else speak like her will break immersion. Her request also only included only to whatever extent is possible to change, as much as people wanted to go "nips are stupid and think accents are made up".

They asked Meiro to try and change it, but instead Meiro goes nuclear and threatens to graduate if they don't release a public statement saying that her accent isn't plagiarized off of Roa. Roa asks Meiro if they can meet up so she can confirm that Meiro really does completely speak with that accent, implying she's willing to withdraw her request if Meiro really can't change it, but Meiro ignores her.

>>28005443
Worst thing is that even the nijisanji's wall of text mention that Meiro did talk with her accent during her interview
So they have no ground to tell her to stop
They are fucked if she sues them, leaking things is admitted if you are suffering from power harassment in japan

>>28005311
>You might want to take into consideration that Roa's viewers were going a little wild before about Meiro's accent
Except that she has said herself that she's was not influenced by any anti in her last stream.

>>28005143
You might want to take into consideration that Roa's viewers were going a little wild before about Meiro's accent. She probably assumed it would be about that.

>>28005021
People are just dumb.
Meiro literally stated that her accent came out only when she was really distressed, but of course she had to be an insider agent whose only objective was to start drama.

The Sequence of Events
• Meiro debuts. Meiro did not display an accent during her interview/audition.
• Yuzuki Roa has a certain accent that is a character trait of hers, said to be due to her Demonic origins. Meiro debuts with a highly similar accent.
• Roa submits a request for Meiro to alter/change the accent she used due to character overlap and Roa’s own character setting being potentially broken. (Further explanation from Roa in Page 3)
• Meiro responds asking for a statement stating that her accent is due to how/where she was raised, and that she (Meiro) was not intentionally using an accent like Roa’s, and that the accent was due to nervousness from being on stream.
• Meiro further requested that if Ichikara/Nijisanji was incapable of making this announcement, that she would like to graduate from Nijisanji.
• Ichikara/Nijisanji wished to remain fair and unbiased within these proceedings, and determined that Meiro’s request would be incapable of changing the situation by any significant degree.
• Kingyozaka Meiro submits her first request for Graduation as a result. Ichikara/Nijisanji wished for both parties to further discuss this matter and to come to a mutual agreement on it, and informed Meiro that they wished for her to continue her activities. Meiro remained firm on her request to graduate, and Ichikara/Nijisanji granted her request.
• Approx. 1 week after her request to Graduate, Meiro requested that her Graduation to be cancelled, as she wished to continue her activities as a Virtual Liver. Ichikara/Nijisanji granted that request.
• Soon after the withdrawal of her Graduation, Meiro disclosed on stream that she was “Harassed by another Virtual Liver from Nijisanji”, and that she had “Discussed with Ichikara/Nijisanji Management regarding the termination of her contract”, and further claimed that she had “Permission from Ichikara to disclose this information”.
• Ichikara/Nijisanji did not grant her permission to disclose this confidential information, and ultimately suspended Kingyozaka Meiro’s activities temporarily due to a breach of her NDA/the disclosure of confidential information.
• Kingyozaka Meiro submits her second request for Graduation near the end of September. Ichikara/Nijisanji was pursuing avenues for Meiro to resume her activities, but ultimately granted her request, and started the process of terminating her contract.
• Approx. Two Weeks after her second request for Graduation, Meiro submitted a request for her Graduation to be cancelled, and to be granted access to her SNS/Youtube Accounts (of which she did not have access to during her Graduation proceedings.)
• Due to repeated requests for both Graduation and for the withdrawal of said requests, and due to the aforementioned breach of NDA, Ichikara/Nijisanji rejected her request, and continued on with the Graduation proceedings, and did not grant her access to Kingyozaka Meiro’s SNS/Youtube accounts.
• While the official press release regarding Kingyozaka Meiro’s Graduation was still being drafted, said draft, and other confidential info, were leaked to a Third Party individual, who released them publicly on Youtube. Ichikara/Nijisanji determined that Meiro was the individual who breached confidentiality in this case.
• Kingyozaka Meiro’s contract was terminated.

Yuzuki Roa’s Actions
• Ichikara/Nijisanji received screenshots of 9 Direct Messages from Yuzuki Roa to Kingyozaka Meiro (8 Dated 2nd of August, 1 Dated 18th of August). None of these messages were harassing or bullying in nature. Yuzuki Roa requested for a time so that herself (Roa) and Meiro could discuss this matter.
• Kingyozaka Meiro had 5 responses to the 8 messages sent on the 2nd of August.
• Both parties were in agreement and wished to discuss this matter. At that time, Ichikara/Nijisanji had already begun the mediation process for the two involved parties to discuss this matter.
• Ichikara/Nijisanji confirmed that, outside of these Direct Messages, the two involved parties had no other correspondence.
• Yuzuki Roa’s 9th message, sent on the 18th of August, was a request for a time to discuss this matter. Kingyozaka Meiro did not respond.
• Yuzuki Roa reported that this act of muting/blocking was not done out of a desire to harass or bully Meiro.
• Yuzuki Roa reported to Nijisanji management that she blocked/muted Kingyozaka Meiro’s Youtube/SNS Accounts as they were causing unease, as Roa believed that she may have been somewhat targeted by Meiro.
• Ichikara/Nijisanji has reviewed Kingyozaka Meiro’s SNS and Youtube Accounts, and has determined that there is a possibility that this may be true.

Page 4 Contains Ichikara’s Apology for the Situation/Distress
• They acknowledge the repeated request for more information from the fans
• They ask that individuals do not harass/contact anyone involved in the situation.
• Honestly nothing much here but the standard apology and stuff.

>>28003681
Did you miss the part where she didn't use the accent throughout the entire audition so they didn't know until her debut stream? Maybe you also missed the part where Roa also politely requested that she try to not use it only to whatever extent was possible, and management was the one who knew she didn't use the accent and tried to get her to work on it more, while Roa literally only sent a DM saying she wants to talk? Oh, maybe you also just skipped over where Roa asks to meet up so she can be sure that Meiro actually speaks with that accent, Meiro says sure, and then just goes MIA for 2 weeks?

>>28003908
And Ichikara themselves admitted that Roa complained about Meiro's accent and wanted her to stop.

>>28003681
It's literally stated Meiro auditioned and went through the interview process without any sort of accent

>>28003429
You don't tell people to drop their natural accent. Ichikara wording is always going to be softer than what really went down. Roa saw Meiro was the most promising newcomer, felt threatened and ran to management. Nips hate workplace bullying and powerhara, they will not stop until they have Roa's head.

>>28003368
>Roa felt her accent is unique to her setting and asked management if they can ask Meiro to stop
What does this mean?

>>28003368
>Roa felt her accent is unique to her setting and asked management if they can ask Meiro to stop
??

Hololive may be having an amazing week but I'm coming to you with breaking news:
Niji is in flames.
https://twitter.com/yuzuki_roa/status/1318912752413364224?s=19
Anyways TL;DR
- Meiro debuted
- Roa felt her accent is unique to her setting and asked management if they can ask Meiro to stop
- Management relays Roa's request to Meiro
- Meiro took this extremely personally and threatened graduation
- Management sensed "boy we have to stop this from turning into a mess" and is attempting to mediate the two into a resolution
- One week later Meiro sent in a formal request to terminate the contract despite management trying to pacify her
- The week AFTER that Meiro said she's not graduating after all (is this Shiina?), management sighs in relief
- Meiro did the stream where she talked about this
- Management warned her for it (apparently something about the stream breaks a contract item), recommends temporary leave to let things cool down while we try to find a compromise
- Meiro sent in a SECOND formal request to graduate. Again, management advised her to chill a bit but she pushed through. Management had no choice but to nod and process it.
- Meiro then tried to cancel her contract termination, but management decided they're dealing with a menhera and decided to let her go by way of graduation.
- After this Meiro went nuclear and leaked the information to nrkm
- Ichikara's shifted gears from graduation to contract termination, and the first notice is sent out. (Narukami probably realized this and made up his own termination notice)
- Second notice which is explained by this post came out
- You are here

In addition, management has received the contact history between Meiro and Roa (3rd page). In this page they try really hard to make Roa not sound like a bully despite her having blocked Meiro on Twitter. Remember that in Niji, if you have the same accent as your senior, they will Bully you into graduation.

>>28002121
THIS IS HOLOLIVE THREAD NOT NIJISANJI THREAD YOU FUCKING CHOCOBALL
Anyways TL;DR
- Meiro debuted
- Roa felt her accent is unique to her setting and asked management if they can ask Meiro to stop
- Management relays Roa's request to Meiro
- Meiro took this extremely personally and threatened graduation
- Management sensed "boy we have to stop this from turning into a mess" and is attempting to mediate the two into a resolution
- One week later Meiro sent in a formal request to terminate the contract despite management trying to pacify her
- The week AFTER that Meiro said she's not graduating after all (is this Shiina?), management sighs in relief
- Meiro did the stream where she talked about this
- Management warned her for it (apparently something about the stream breaks a contract item), recommends temporary leave to let things cool down while we try to find a compromise
- Meiro sent in a SECOND formal request to graduate. Again, management advised her to chill a bit but she pushed through. Management had no choice but to nod and process it.
- Meiro then tried to cancel her contract termination, but management decided they're dealing with a menhera and decided to let her go by way of graduation.
- After this Meiro went nuclear and leaked the information to nrkm
- Ichikara's shifted gears from graduation to contract termination, and the first notice is sent out. (Narukami probably realized this and made up his own termination notice)
- Second notice which is explained by this post came out
- You are here

In addition, management has received the contact history between Meiro and Roa (3rd page). In this page they try really hard to make Roa not sound like a bully despite her having blocked Meiro on twitter.