/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>21987762
khatz as a uni student and played sports and such. it's a fact he got less input than matt who went full NEET mode.

>>21987671
Matt claims he spent most of the time with one earbud on doing passive immersion with anime and the like, in addition to which he completely avoided outputting till going to Japan.
Maybe Khatz was getting more input from a variety of sources, unlike Matt. Compare what Matt says he read (light novels, novels, VNs) against what khatz has on his playlists.

>>21987671
matt immersed more than khatz and matt and other mia cultists are well aware of what khatz claimed he could do after 18 months.

Matt says that khatz wasn't as good as he thinks he was about 18 months in since matt needed an additional 2 years of ajatt to be able to read any topic with ease, I wonder if Khatzz maybe was the real deal and matt was just doing a light variant of ajatt.

>>21987429
not as good as matt but as khatz or other ajatters sure

>>21978173
also i started watching some of this video and matt was saying that he thinks khatz telling people to listen to the language while they sleep is "crazy"

i wonder why he says that, i followed matt closer in his early days and i thought it was something he recommended as well?? i do it and it takes me at least 15 minutes to fall asleep, so i feel that during that short time at least, i am getting something out of listening while sleeping

>>21968673
Brit explicitly said and still says AJATT, citing Khatz. He didn't even know of Matt until he made his youtube channel after he had been doing AJATT for months. I can't think of any advice that is in line with Matt, coming from him. Brit did the monolingual transition very early and mostly used Subs2SRS to get sentences, Matt's model has never had info like that (Brit started the monolingual transition at just under 800 Anki cards whereas Matt says have at least 2500)

>>21899905
You're assuming a lot. I'm definitely not a fan of MIA and AJATT has several flaws.

>mia doesn't "go into those aspects" it just tells you to "learn pitch accent" and "make culture flashcards"
That's going into those aspects. saying you need to learn them. Khatz didn't include that as a fundamental part. He even included a quote in a post saying
>When two or three words sound exactly alike except for pitch accent, context is going to resolve the ambiguity virtually 100 percent of the time. In practical terms, accent is probably the least important aspect of Japanese pronunciation no matter what your level of language skill.

I'm not an AJATT fanboy defending the most bestest method ever. I'm highlighting important aspects. People misunderstand the method even though it's very simple.

>>21899958
I haven't deleted anything. Also fuck Matt.

>>21899718
Khatz was a bullshitter. He had been learning longer than 18 months; he just lied about it. Even his fanboy Matt showcases this in that video he has about how to use the AJATT website, proving that Khatz had already started learning since at least 1 year earlier than he claimed.

Also, that video was made at least 2 years after he created the AJATT site, so he'd been learning a lot longer than 18 months by that point either way. Even if you believe every word of Khatz's story, that video is the product of 5 years of learning on his part.

>>21897304
>All patreons will be offered a huge discount (we will charge just enough for us to break even).
So in other words, they are going to charge multiple times the actual worth of t-shirts for anyone who is not a Patreon. Ebin. Though why on Earth they think anyone who is not a Patreon would want to buy them, I really don't know. If someone won't even give you $1 on Patreon, they're not going to buy your $40 t-shirts.

Also, image funding the production of these t-shirts (Matt doesn't have a job, after all, so the money isn't coming out of his pocket) and then being being made to fork out even more cash if you actually want to receive one.

Wasn't this hypocrite ripping on Khatz in a video someone linked a few days ago for wanting to charge people money who were already giving him money on Patreon?

>>21893189
Pretty much >>21893191. The reason qm got somewhere with his cards is not because of the design of the cards, it's because he kept at it for a long period of time. Just like Matt and Khatz got good by keeping up with regular sentence cards over long periods of time.

The only good argument for anime cards is that they're pretty too look at so they might keep you motivated more easily, but imo a simple screenshot would probably suffice and be much faster.

>>21883912
Steve is, Krashen is, Matt is... I don't know about Yoga, but Brazil actually has quite a lot of Jews, and Yoga definitely doesn't have much of a native or hispanic look about him, so it's a possibility.

Khatz is obviously a goy, and so are Nuke and BritVsJapan probably.

Matt is inconsistent yet again. He recently shilled the retirement addon that Yoga made which deleted cards after a certain interval. This obviously in a direct contrast to the 10,000 sentences idea but still on the MIA site, the 10,000 sentence approach is given.

Matt gave reasons why the retirement addon is better than not using it thereby implying 10,000 sentences is no longer relevant. What is he even doing? At least Khatz said "10,000 Sentences is Dead. Let the MCD Revolution Begin!" but still kept his posts up about it.

It's like Matt doesn't even think about the inherent contradiction and not even addressing it.

>>21867152
>which is what approach like Krashen, Khatz, Matt, DJT, Kaufmann, Mason, etc have in common. The people who get anywhere use those common ideas

>>21868707
Good point. Matt's approach seems very dogmatic despite him saying Khatz's approach was "too dogmatic" and "MIA is more customizable"

>>21868670
"Turning into Japanese" is more MIA (Matt's approach) than AJATT (Khatz's approach). Khatz cared more about just learning the language not becoming Japanese, he often criticized Japanese society.

>>21868694
Kinda. It's the input hypothesis put forth by Krashen, they all use input as a main approach. Most competent non-native English speakers online just read blogs, sites, watched youtube, etc. in English. Somehow people still think they need to buy textbooks and go to class. Just read ffs.

>>21868659
You neglected to mention how Khatz tells people in the beginning to mine dictionaries and grammar guides for sentences.

>Optionally meditate
According to Matt, "for those seeking fluency" this is mandatory.

>>21868553
Since everyone misinterprets AJATT here's what it is.

-Learn the kana
-Do RTK
-Start sentence mining, adding sentences with 1 unknown word to an SRS. Have a goal of around 10,000 sentences
-Watch and read Japanese media 2-4+ hours every day and listen when doing other stuff
-When you're intermediate, start transitioning to Japanese dictionaries

That's it. It's very simple. Khatz changed a lot of stuff throughout the years as well like lazy kanji instead of traditional RTK, MCDs instead of sentences, etc. but people ignore MCDs mostly

Matt's version is similar but still different. His version is basically:

-Learn kana
-Do 1000 lazy kanji RTK cards in Anki
-Read a grammar guide or do the Tango N5 deck
-Start sentence mining, optionally use a pre-made deck
-At 2500 words, start using a Japanese dictionary
-Watch/read 3+ hours total, 1 hour at most on Anki
-Optionally meditate
-Redo RTK, wriitng the kanji by hand when you're intermediate
-Start learning pitch accent
-When you understand 98+ percent of media you watch, start shadowing
-Study cultural aspects in Anki like Japanese history, celebrities, geography, famous books, etc.

People misconstrue AJATT as "lol eat everything with chopsticks XDDD" but Khatz was just quirky and never seriously advocated that nor sleeping on the floor. Khatz, in the later stages of AJATT after he quit his job at Sony, started some sketchy stuff like heavily promoting Silver Spoon (retards didn't read it before buying, it literally says you cannot get a refund until 18 months have past), AJATT Plus, etc. but those have never been essential. Even now, Khatz still has the "Best of AJATT" and Table Of Contents sections which are all free and easily available. He even went to the trouble of making his own SRS despite only knowing basic coding knowledge (His SRS is bad but still he put a lot of effort into AJATT). Khatz even cited his sources regularly like Krashen, Beniko Mason, and Antimoon; citing direct publications and articles not just "Krashen said it".

>>21867111
DJT follows the same logic though of input then output. You can argue with specific details like RTK, monolingual dictionaries, SRS, etc. but you can't argue with things like input before output, reading at your level/just above it, needing a lot of input, etc. which is what approach like Krashen, Khatz, Matt, DJT, Kaufmann, Mason, etc have in common. The people who get anywhere use those common ideas that's why яеdditters always suck since their methods suck.

>>21863378
maybe but remember that tkyosam was friends with khatz and told matt that khatz only agreed to talk to matt for free over skype that one time because he was trying to learn more about matt's business so he could copy it

>>21863364
khatz is prolly 2 busy working his real job making 6 figures more than matt does playin nihongo scientist in his gay dads attic

khatz also did like 50 anki cards a day so he was progressing at 5x the speed as matt

>>21826871
well im sure it was sessions it wasnt 24/7 for the week can u imagine what a kid like matt would do to maximize his time lmfao oh khatz do u need to sleep ok ill sleep at the same time so we can talk 18 hours again tomorrow about the optimal flash card layout

>>21826808
he probably paid way more than $200

matt said the prices were ridiculous, meanwhile he himself on his own patreon page has a $100 tier which buys you an measly hour of his time once per month

if matt doesn't find his own pricing extortionate then i can't imagine that $200 bought you an entire week of khatz's time