/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>33516302
anime is inefficient input due to being an visual medium

depending on your reading speed, you might be able to get a lot more input in an equivalent amount of time from reading

visual mediums like anime or manga have the advantage of being more comprehensible however so this isn't to say that they are "bad" input and should be avoided; you should do whatever you enjoy

>>33516364
different options for getting a roughly similar amount of input

obviously there can be quite a large variation in amount of text between e.g. 2 different lns so this should only be seen as a rough guide

>>33447442
There is a possibility that no one was the culprit and it was all an accident, but Ange clearly doesn't believe that to be true, otherwise there would be no reason to avoid the truth.
Ange acknowledges reality only partially.
I didn't say some level of escapism wasn't harmful, I said in most cases it isn't life-destroying. What I mean was that: the greater the pain you're trying to bury, the more harmful the escapism tend to be. In Ange's case, it's huge.
Selective self-delusion (escapism) can technically be a ''middle ground'' between Erika and Maria, but I never advocated for that. I wanted Ange to reject both of their ideologies. To acknowledge the truth but reach closure and move on with her life. Erika chased the truth but she never got to achieve closure and never moved on, that where they would be very different.
Bernkastel's red truths were never denied, all that changed was Ange's perceptions of said truth.

I intend to read the manga at some point, I keep reading that it's much better at getting the message across, like you just said. All that I've said so far has been about the VN exclusively. I'l l take all that you've said into consideration as I read it. I'll try to keep an open mind and analyze things from scratch. Maybe I'll change my mind. I'll come back here in 3 to 6 months to talk about it again. Thanks for the discussion, but I have to go to sleep now.

<see you again>

>>33447147
>but a more appropriate parallel would be for them refusing to know who did this to him because it was, necessarily, someone from their family and they want to keep a happy memory of the whole family
Well, it wasn't necessarily someone from their family in Ange's case. Because it's a catbox and the entire point of a catbox is that it's an infinite sea of possibilities where anything can happen and Ange doesn't know the details of what happened. You keep trying to narrow down the possibilities of the catbox, which ignores its entire purpose
>I don't know why you keep bringing the fact that Ange acknowledges the fact that no one is coming back when I never contested this to begin with.
Because you keep saying Ange is running away from truth and that implying that she's just falling into escapist fantasies and ignoring reality, when her entire journey is literally the exact opposite of this with her acknowledging reality, the acknowledgment of which allows her to live happily. She doesn't delve into the details of how her family was obliterated, but this particular truth is not relevant. She doesn't need it to be happy, she needs to move on to be happy.
>For all the growth Ange goes through, it wasn't enough to handle the complete truth, some level of self-delusion and escapism was necessary for her
I mean you yourself said earlier that some level of escapism isn't harmful. In a situation like Rokkenjima where there was a horrific event that occurred over a decade ago that tortures Ange to the brink of suicide and the choice is between her living a happy and fulfilling life at the expense of not axiomatically valuing truth and her killing herself at the age of 18 because of horrific events. The first one is better, inarguably.
>you look at things carefully, Ange is doing the exact same thing that Maria did
She's obviously not, Ange speaks about finding the comfortable middle ground between Maria's fantastical escapism and Erika's hard logic and speaks about both as being a bad thing.
>but now there is no one alive to break her illusion. As long as she keeps it to herself, it will never be challenged.
No, this is literally what happens in Episode 8. When Maria's magic is challenged by Ange it breaks apart because at the end of the day it's pure fantasy. When Ange's magic is challenged by Bernkastel, it doesn't. What do you think the point of this was? Why do you think Ange speaks about turning her back on cruel reality and living in purely illusion as being a bad thing?

>let's just agree to disagree. We have fundamentally different views on what constitutes a healthy, sustainable, moral message regarding the end of Umineko
Sure, I really suggest reading the Umineko manga if you haven't already, it clears up the message R07 was trying to tell. It wasn't "escapism and self-delusion is good and there are no downsides to it" because that'd be a kind of fuckin retarded message because nobody unironically believes that.

Whether you are listening, speaking, reading, or writing, language is about communication; the more you actually care about something being communicated, the more motivation you will have to be engaged and focus on what you are doing. For example, for reading practice pick content that you really want to understand, as opposed to just going through the motions.
While vocabulary lists can help fill in holes in certain areas you expect to be active in, ultimately learning words naturally in context will give the best understanding of those words, and help with retention. (As a side point, I think in forums like classes in high school or college, where one’s memory is likely a bit better, memorizing vocabulary lists makes more sense.)
When reading or listening to something, don’t stop every time you hear a word to look it up. Instead, try to guess the meaning from context, since the skill of guessing meaning is actually one of the most important language skills you can have. Words that you can’t figure out will sit in the back of your mind and you’ll eventually make a connection once you get enough linguistic data to solve the puzzle.
When studying kanji, learning radicals and other simple kanji that are often used in more complex kanji is one of the best ways to speed up the process. If you find a complex kanji whose pieces you don’t know (say 飾), look them up right away so you can try and see how things fit together.
Don’t just focus on the meaning of kanji, also make sure you know all the readings. This is very important since it will allow you to link up kanji compounds you spot during reading with words you had already heard before. It will also allow you to easily type each of the kanji into a dictionary when looking up new words.
Don’t underplay the importance of proper intonation when speaking Japanese, which is more about pitch and less about stress on a certain vowel. Having said that, realize that getting your pitches perfect, even with a lifetime of studying, just may not be possible for some people. So be aware of intonation patterns but don’t overly fixate on them. For beginning students, working on your consonant and vowel pronunciations, and smooth transitions, is more important than intonation.
With little to no kanji and easy-to-understand imagery, children’s books are generally an excellent resource for reading practice.
Record and listen to yourself speaking once in a while so you can hear how you actually sound. What you find may surprise you.
Language is strongly tied to culture, don’t study Japanese (or any other language for that matter) in a bubble. If physically traveling to Japan isn’t feasible, at least try to experience various forms of media (manga, anime, newspapers, TV shows, etc.), and find opportunities to speak to natives on places like Skype or Zoom.
Turning on Japanese subtitles is a good way to get some extra reading practice and learn words you aren’t able to pick up otherwise. Ideally, it’s best to listen first without subtitles (so you can focus on the sounds) and then one more time with them enabled.

>>33292961
do you have that meme picture that says "manga isn't reading"? i can't find it in google.

>>33228502
>duolingo
stop. duolingo is fucking trash. there's no reason to use memrise or hiraganaquiz, grind both katakana and hiragana with the game in the op link.
after you can read kana read tae kim, then read imabi, and then go on to regularly consume jp media. get capture2text, read a beginner level manga (or vinnie) first (that you find interesting of course, i recommend squid girl) so that your first time reading isn't too hard. from there just consume whatever media you want, but do it often.

manga isn't reading

>>32699006
For one thing, "getting as clear an answer as possible" isn't the only point of reading fiction - if it were, you'd just look up the answer sheet every time and be done with it. What's the point, then? Maybe walking the road with the characters, judging them and later judging your own judgements, watching yourself think along with the events, working your way through different emotional states and connecting them to different potentialities.
Even if the manga's interpretation of the events were the absolute truth (I don't think it is, since the mangaka's interpretation of Yasu's psychology doesn't seem plausible), that still wouldn't necessarily make it a positive addition to the canon. Imo its existence was a mistake from the start, since it goes counter to Umineko's themes, "learn to find meaning and truth in a world where there are no guarantees" being the big one.

>>32478132
Capeshit is mainstream even overseas so that can’t really be used as a good metric, or are you talking about comics? You could say capeshit comics are still mostly for the male demographic but that is a generally western only market and she is a jop jap so it isn’t very applicable. Reading a manga like slam dunk would be more relevant for gauging tomboyness.

>stays up all night watching random shit on youtube
>lays in bed watching anime and reading manga all day
>only owns one fork, one knife, and one spoon
>didn't start taking regular showers until the end of last year
>cleans her desk once every two years
>lives off of chinese food, bagel bites, cookies, and chicken tenders
amelia is just a womanchild isn't she

manga isn’t reading

>>31105818
manga isn't reading so it's not like you could even if you wanted to

>>30992730
Except, he does say that you'll get bored of it
>That's right. Manga is interesting when you're reading it, but eventually you get tired of reading it.
He isn't talking about any particular manga. He is generally referring to all manga. The meaning of his words don't change when you replace it with anime, or light novel.

>>30813197
vinnies let you go at your own pace. if you're at a low level where you're just starting to read then that will probably be more beneficial to you than a subbed anime that you will contsantly have to pause.

maybe try a manga if you're new to reading in general. it will be more clear to you who is speaking. yotsuba probably isn't even the best manga out there for beginners desu.

This is all from the first glyph making stream.
It was pretty much impossible for me to not love a Minecraft zatsudan like that, so here is a bunch of stuff she talked about.
And there is a fucking 6 hour one that I still haven't watched, please have mercy

>Sleeping issues
Chat asks her if she suffers from some form of insomnia but she says it isn't for that reason that she sleeps poorly rather whenever she is in a situation where she has to fall asleep she eventually ends up fiddling with her phone and whenever she closes her eyes she seems to overthink that she has to sleep which tends to wake her up instead.
Says that she has been very healthy lately by getting up early for lessons and such although she says that she ends up sleeping at midday instead
>"What about our sleeping hours?"
Chat questions her on this and she says that; "Today, well, there won't be any", "Today you won't need them right?". She follows up saying that the reason for the sudden stream was because she was barely able to stream on Saturday so for today she gives us permission to watch from bed, but only for today, on regular streams she expects prudence and says that since it is a gorilla stream it is special, therefore watching from the bed is ok.
Chat teases her by saying; "You've become very important huh?" and she plays along with it and imitates chat with; "This guy reached 1 million and suddenly grew self-important" She gets meek and says it isn't like that and that without the nousagi her 1 million wouldn't exist.
She does another impression of chat saying stuff like how her attitude has changed because of the one million only for chat to tell her that her attitude has always been grand even from the start. She contests that and says that isn't that wrong?
Chat tells her to give them back their tears they shed during her million stream and she counters by saying that those tears were real, all of them were real and to please not say that they were a lie all along.
>You've become a good actor
Someone from chat says that she's become a good actor and she laughs at it and says she isn't one and to not call her an actor since it makes her look detestable/unpleasant(She says やらしいうさぎみたい). She follows up by saying that her bad acting is famous, then admitting herself that she is a terrible actor and can't do it, and tells us to just look at the Hologras or stuff similar to it, to see her "acting". Although she does think she has become better at it recently.
Chat says that she has improved considerably and she reflects back to the time where she started and remembers that acting being horrific.
>Manga, e-books and bookstore
She gets the question if she doesn't look at a lot of manga, and she says that these days she doesn't since she hasn't really gone to a bookstore and reminisce back to her school-years where she'd very, very often look at what manga there is and that she'd always go into the bookstore on the way home to look at new publications and such.
These days instead it has been more looking at e-publications through her manga reading app that she uses daily. Chat throws in a jab that it is also because she doesn't leave her house and she defiantly agrees. She ends with that she really wants to go to a bookstore again because she remembers that exciting feeling from looking at new stuff.

(1/3)

>>29908334
But listening is much easier than reading because nip pronunciation isn't that fucked up as English. As an ESL I have a harder time to understandinh HoloEN than HoloJP, but I'm barely able to read a fucking shounen manga because I mix up some kanji every time.

@djt

I wanted to make this post to warn others not to fall into the community trap. These days there are a million different discord channels and other online communities full of people who are learning Japanese. At first it seems like a good idea to join a lot of these communities because you can meet other people who are also studying Japanese and maybe they might know some helpful resources or have study tips. That's fine and all, but I want to make the argument of why these communities should be avoided. TLDR at the bottom.

1) Every moment that you spend posting or lurking in these communities is time that you could have spent studying.

Learning Japanese isn't hard, but it takes a lot of time to accomplish it. The more time you spend with Japanese the sooner you will become fluent. The more time you spend posting on discord the less time you are spending with Japanese. The same applies for watching YouTube videos about learning Japanese or reading a textbook. You need to spend time using the actual language and that usually means watching TV, reading books, listening to podcasts etc.

2) foreigners make mistakes

I have heard of language learning described as taking an origami and unfolding it, and then trying to make a completely different origami out of the same sheet of paper. The folds from the original origami interfere with folding the new origami. On the topic of language, those folds are the rules of your native language getting in the way and interfering with your understanding of the rules of your target language. It doesn't matter how long you have been studying, you will make mistakes from time to time and the types of mistakes you make are dependent on your native language. You might say something 95% correct but a native speaker can easily see from the way you wrote something that it was written by a foreigner. If you participate in online communities where you speak Japanese or message in Japanese with other foreign learners then you will be exposed to more of these mistakes and it will interfere with learning the proper rules. It is better to expose yourself to solely native Japanese if you can.

Something which I find to be interesting is that many students come to Japan every year to study at Japanese language schools and often times the students are forbidden from using their native language in the classroom and everything must be done in Japanese. What this often leads to is the students discussing among themselves in Japanese, but it is a strange form of Japanese that you would never hear from a native speaker. It is Japanese which is created from the act of trying to speak Japanese using the rules of your native language because you do not yet understand the rules of the Japanese language. It might be understandable to your classmates who understand your native language but a random Japanese person probably won't understand what you're trying to say. Or it might be comprehensible to Japanese people but still be far from correct. I have heard that there is a manga about this type of situation but I have never read it myself.

Joining a discord to talk with other learners in Japanese will accomplish exactly the same type of situation and it is something you should be weary of.

I believe that the YouTuber Matt vs Japan of the MIA method is the originator of the origami analogy. I'm not trying to steal anyone's idea so I just wanted to credit him. I don't watch his videos so if I'm mistaken and he is not the one who discussed that concept then I am sorry.

3) resource hell and learning method debates.

There are often trends in the language learning community of what is the best method to learn [language]. The truth is that the best method is whichever one you stick to. You will hit points where you fee like your stuck or not making much progress. At these points it may be tempting to ask friends online for advice. I have seen cases of learners never getting past the beginner stage because they keep resource hopping. Just stick to whatever works for you. There's also silly debates in the community like whether or not you should study pitch accent, or what is the best way to learn kanji. The truth is that these don't really matter so much. You can just ignore all of these debates. Participating in these debates also brings as back to my first point. Ignore [textbook series]/MIA/AJATT/whatever method you found on YouTube from a polyglot. Just do whatever works for you and try to use the language as much as possible.its important not to constantly change your study method because in the long run you need this to become a routine.

it just ひらめいた'd on me
n5 guy is manga isn't reading guy

>>28417234
One of my close friends befriended a popular vtuber and has already been scouted by two vtuber agencies and rejected both of them. I think she'd be a great vtuber: beautiful cute angel voice, knows japanese and very into anime manga and videogame culture, wonderful personality and charisma. Good singing voice, smart, funny, gets along well with everyone and brings a lot of energy into a voice chat. Many times she's played online games and even japs mistook her for some anime celebrity even though she's just a normal girl who mainly speaks english.

When I asked her why she keeps turning down recruitments to be a vtuber, her answer is always disinterest in the content. "Streaming games for hours just isn't for me" and such, plus disinterest in playing a character and having limitations on talking about personal real stuff, things like that. At first I thought she's missing out because I genuinely think she'd become an overnight sensation if she become public, but after being a hololive fan for a while, I think I agree with her decision. Stuff like these ASMR streams just seem like peak cringe. And, even the whole concept of reading superchats for hours and playing games into a camera talking to yourself alone in a room, probably gets weird unless that was really your passion. I guess vtubing really isn't for everyone.

>>28196715
It's insane how brainwashed chinks are about one-china policy. I was reading chink opinions on the new Hetalia season announced and some fans have apparently renounced the series because a fan-translation of the manga made mention that Taiwan and Hong Kong have capitals and Taiwan has a "president". On the off chance this isn't falseflagging, no I will not respect your retarded bottom line.

>>27723707
nah since manga isn't reading

1) is there a better desktop OCR/Dictionary combo than KanjiTomo? its recognition kinda sucks
2) do any of yall subscribe to a manga website? pirating is too much effort and I just wanna read high quality scans where the furigana isn't completely scrambled
I've found https://www.cmoa.jp/ or https://comic-walker.com/ for reading manga for free, but the scans are kinda shit.

I have to majorly disagree with you. Though G-Senjou no Maou may not be the greatest visual novel of all time, it still is regarded as ONE of the greatest. And that is for the character development you are debunking right now. You claim there are no scenarios to build characters or set up characters with extra depth, but there are within each of the routes. If one takes the time to invest themselves in each individual girl's route, they face a different thematic problem from the rest, ultimately leading a change. I have a feeling you didn't read through any of the girls' routes because if you read through the first one, Tsubaki, there is a shift on her attitude in life just after the introductory chapter. Your issues on character development scenarios are resolved after the introduction, which I have to admit, is tedious. You also mention the plot is bad, first of all, you got the entire plot wrong, its to STOP Maou, not find out who he is. Secondly, he makes passive efforts to stop Maou for a reason, how do you stop someone that covers all of their tracks, he always waits patiently for Maou's actions to slowly chip away at his identity. Inevitably, this leads to a climax on his identity if you payed attention to the chipping Kyousuke did on Maou's identity. But it could have definitely been shortened, nonetheless, I feel the developers lengthened it to give more depth to its other female heroines. You also mention tiny attempts to focus on the main plot, but reading through the story, each chapter is ONLY focused on finding Maou, unless YOU choose to diverge into another route, which is your problem at that point. If you go the TRUE ROUTE first, the plot is very coherent, upping the stakes of Maou's actions, and motivating Kyousuke to take further action to stop the chaos engulfing the city he lives in, to care for his mother. Personally, I could also see a coherent message to it all, multiple in fact, a battle of the definition of evil and sacrifice. Many people die in this game, in very tragic and emotional manners, forcing the reader to reflect on if sacrifice is worth it for "freedom." Freedom being Kyousuke's family chained down in Yakuza debt, Haru being chained down by Maou's bloodlust, and so on, each character is chained down by one thing, revealed as the story goes on. The definition for evil is also described when there are multiple takes on evil vs. good, whether it be Maou or Kyousuke's perspective. The complicated family matter involves more characters as well, not just Gonzou, Kyousuke, and Maou, it involves all the girls as they each take part in the endgame. The endgame is when everything comes together, though it may not be so obvious in the beginning. You mention there being better uses of your time, but isn't there always better uses of your time, like instead of involving yourself in otaku culture at all, maybe learn something useful, further your studies, do chores, etc. Which are a million times better than watching anime, reading manga, etc, but you choose to waste time, any time at all on ANYTHING, you could gain even greater enjoyment from doing drugs than reading manga subjectively speaking. Taking a few artificial dopamine pills are sure to bring more enjoyment than reading anything at all, but you choose otherwise because of the allure the anime style has. This series provides the variety of most anime styles for many people, though it's not any action manga or anime, it captivates through suspense and thriller. Perhaps this visual novel just isn't your cup of tea which is totally valid, but it does prove to be gaining a positive reception from a majority of people, people who have gone through the whole ordeal.

>>27317794
manga isn't reading