/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>36173898
>probably because cookie is seen as this "new thing," discovered by western touhou fans who mistakenly think they're touhou characters, and the jp cookiefags also come from inmu (that the westerners probably don't know much about), i guess?
While Cookie is generally a "???" in most casual touhou fan circles outside of JP, or just gets labeled as doxxing or trolling, I think you're right on the ball in regards to the mentality of anons and JP-speaking Western touhou fans. INMU has gotten similar from people either mistaking it for Wrestling Series/Gachimuchi, or just not knowing it to a be a fad.
It's not like people outside of Japan don't get it, but there is so much context that's lost just by not understanding Japanese language and web culture in general, yet alone the 2/5ch/nnd sphere of things, that just being exposed to a byproduct of it isn't going to be that interesting. You have to go out of your way to understand it.
Anons on imageboards tend to be the kind of people that have the closest inherent sense of that kind of culture over other communities. Especially the idea of intentionally contributing time and talent into a low-merit/taboo topic for no other reason than personal entertainment and expression among an asocial audience.

Can we use this twitter thread to put an end to the debate for once?
Let's discuss whether cookie is or not related to touhou.
I will go first.
In my opinion cookie is as related to Touhou Project as RvB is to Halo, let me elaborate, while in its conception it was a derivative work of it as any other it quickly evolved to the point where it is its own thing. While it's true that the characters are heavily inspired (or even look identical) to some 2hus you don't need to know about the touhou universe to understand cookie and viceversa. In conclusion you could say that it is related to it, in the sense that it was birthed from it, but its a standalone "universe" completely separated from the original.

>>36173598
>Western Cookiefags insist Cookie is related to Touhou while Cookie haters insist it isn't... Why is this?

probably because cookie is seen as this "new thing," discovered by western touhou fans who mistakenly think they're touhou characters, and the jp cookiefags also come from inmu (that the westerners probably don't know much about), i guess?

>>36173598
>JP Cookie haters insist it is. Why is this?
Do they, now?
Can't exactly take you at your word, Anonymous. Even if they do, though, it'd be because Japanese consolidate all touhou together in this weird way. That's why yukkuri is so popular, and why we have some more irritating fanon memes

Western Cookiefags insist Cookie is related to Touhou while Cookie haters insist it isn't. JP Cookiefags insist Cookie isn't related to Touhou while JP Cookie haters insist it is. Why is this?

>>36160840
Not him but
10 years since I learned about Touhou
6 months since playing the games
3 months since learning about cookie when I came here looking for Orin tips and tricks
Hope this helps

I have seen the original cookie video and it's a completely inoffensive mediocre yuri video. I frankly do not understand how Japanese otaku can be so autistic as to go this far sperging out over it to the point of creating an entire satirical touhou AU universe that still gets content to this day. I say this as an autist who has spent far too much time sperging out over shit that doesn't matter myself.

>>35116744
LOLE thats cookie that's not touhou bro i've seen it on le reddit!

>>35116582
>? cookie (touhou) 2.4k
...
> ? rei (cookie) 263

>? 1boy 607k
>? 1girl 3220k
>? bangs 880k
>? black footwear 87k
>? black gloves 143k
>? black hair 733k
>? black jacket 55k
>? black skirt 111k
>? blanket 11k
>? blonde hair 866k
>? blush 1537k
>? boots 251k
>? bow 587k
>? braid 297k
>? breath 23k
>? buttons 46k
>? closet 374
>? crossdressing 17k
>? erection 28k
>? erection under clothes 3.4k
>? eyebrows visible through hair 649k
>? finger gun 2.2k
>? flat chest 102k
>? full body 311k
>? genderswap 29k
>? genderswap (ftm) 6.0k
>? gloves 648k
>? hair between eyes 427k
>? holding 451k
>? holding microphone 5.1k
>? indoors 118k
>? jacket 306k
>? long hair 2260k
>? long sleeves 582k
>? male focus 240k
>? microphone 25k
>? mirror 12k
>? open mouth 1171k
>? otoko no ko 30k

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4556156

>>35078804
The mindset of "I don't want it to get worse" comes from the ignorance that the "Touhou fandom" as a whole *used to* be at its worst. MUCH more fanon, MUCH more explicitly out of character content, an entire "series" born of the image and none of the spirit of Touhou (Cookie)

The damage was done literally decades ago, people either don't know that or are feigning ignorance.

>>35019833
Sorry but that anon, for a lack of a better word, trolled you. Making crazy claims that actually might be (will sometimes be) true is a core of INMU

HZN was never a INMU fag. He wanted to take advantage of unsuspecting girls who were fans of touhou that wanted to voice act the characters and be part of something creative. Its why you usually see him play the part of a villain or associated with INMU in general in fan videos or content. It's the dirty or evil side of the whole cookie/INMU thing.

HZN help organize and write the script for the VD (as with UDK, though some will argue that the whole VD was her idea) Either, way they were calling the shots but not extent in what the artists actually draw. Part of the fun is seeing what the artist come when they put your script into action.
Of course though, that can sometimes lead to sometimes questionable quality, especially with a bunch of amateurs, (not just the artist).

And question they did! You got to remember that Touhou was at a all time high and rising in 2010. It was THE THING. Lots of quality art, music, videos, etc. were on display and being made so when this project emerged that claimed nearly 50 people worked on it, the end result.... really didn't seem to indicate this. Also since, Touhou was basically the biggest thing at the time there where people not happy about this or also just saw it as a fad that can easily be made fun of. And INMU fags were somewhat a part of this group . Lot people seem to forget that INMU was Anti Touhou since it was popular (well at least initially). So this "subpar" VD make for easy pickings for them. It also didn't help that the imagery and spoken script had some happy coincidence with INMU terminology/imagery.
Plus the VD was subtle yuri (gay). So they made fun of it.

These early video that mocked and made fun of the VD were the first "cookie fags" and cookie materiel that we know today. When these videos started to get popular and noticed and people were vandalizing the original VD, HZN step in to get those videos taken down. Most (some?) of original cookie videos are now lost forever because of this. HZN made it quite clear he didn't like it. Eventually the original VD gain a cult status as the cookie/INMU Snow(shit)ball started to grow larger. The cult status and HZN actions against cookie (still INMU) fags eventually got him Doxxed and he came out clean details they found and then never seen again.

>>34901337
the original japanese voice drama on Niconico Douga(a video streaming site with rolling comments, dictionary and tags) flopped hard due to terrible voice acting and inconsistent art style, all in all under poor coordination. People making fun of them on video rolling comments and anonymous board elsewhere. Parody videos with cookie tags are made to make fun of this as well. People involved(coordinator, voice actoresses, artist) got a lot of attention, personal information are dug and leaked, lots of drama. Followed by more projects making touhou voice dramas with various quality, using the tag, for internet fame and lulz.
Most of them are japanese, also the chinese also have a few touhou voice dramas in their language, so are the westerner's Easter in english.
As for the parodies, the definition is still vague. I guess you need to at least use the characters used in one of those voice drama to count and have to be primarily about them so otomad only using UDK just as trumpt sound font probably aren't that related. As for the character people don't call them Marisa because of the confusion are so many Marisa from all these voice dramas, some of them having 5 Marisas, they usually go by the voice actress's name to be UD or AZS or MGR aneki. The TDN abbreviation works something like this (Suzu=>SZ, Azusa=>AZS), length, how its picked all have exceptions for various reasons like same abbreviation. This practice of abbreviation is comming from inmu as for people making fun of cookie also enjoy making fun of homos in gay porn.
and there are also exceptions that some characters that are not voiced or derived into seperated entities(like sakenomi), and one aneki can have multiple character roles and designs due to voicing multiple characters in the same or different voice drama.
So not all touhou characters are cookie characters if there are no voice drama involving them. and you have to ask angry anons themselves about their anger.

>>34779325
"Going down the rabbit hole" is a metaphor for entering something seemingly simple and straightforward, but turns out to be much more complex, confusing, and profound than meets the eye.

Cookie is a rabbit hole because at face value, it is just touhou, or is just fanart of an underwhelming voice drama that became wildly popular for seemingly no real reason. Most Western touhou fans have no sense of why it has any relevance, or just find out it is associated with doxxing/online bullying and write it off as unworthy of being mentioned. But the more you dig into it, you find that cookie is a subculture that goes way beyond the creative bounds of touhou, the voice dramas, or the seiyuu, to be inextricably rooted in Japanese, Chinese, and some Western online fads/memes/scenes. The sheer amount, diversity, and longevity of OC produced with Cookie (and INMU) from such a seemingly trivial source and inane context has few direct comparisons. If I had to draw up a Western example, I'd say something like MLP has a similar rabbit-hole mentality about it.

I call all the cookie "characters" by their touhou names and no autist can stop me

>>34140120
i can't read JP very well but im still a cookie fan so yeah
>>34137111
they only wear the skins of touhou characters

>>34136443
>cookie characters
Those are just touhou characters, but for some reason, some people claim that they're not.

i see people post cookie characters occasionally in touhou threads but i cant tell if theyre aware of the source

Why are touhou threads allowed when there's always /2hug/ and usually a thread on /v/?
Oh right, because those threads actually play the games and this board is a bunch of secondaries who want to talk about cookie kiss and what Aya's eggs taste like.
What a huge bump in activity when ZUN announced TH18 right? Oh wait there was literally no statistical difference lol
Fuck off, sanctimonious retard

>>33477883
getting into touhou because of cookie, now that's something i haven't seen before.

Does anyone know what is the relation between the amber remixes and Cookie? I've seen a couple of MADs with cookie stuff, but what was the origin?

https://youtu.be/b1vZ0dRSTCM

https://youtu.be/3_bRwVahxr4


Also, anybody knows where I can find the new testament Cookie (hopefully with english subs)?

I am just getting into
this shit so I don't know much squat (tho that medium article https://medium.com/@Julianus/cookie-subculture-hidden-beneath-the-shadow-of-touhou-project-a9efc8a50a9f)) and the guide to Cookie characters are sure helpful for gaijins.

>>32897764
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.
Not only does JP and EN fags hate each other, there's Nijisanji which is another thing entirely.
Why the fuck do vtuberfags hate each other so much when they're all the same shit?
Fucking Cookie is beyond different from actual Touhou but there's not a lot of hate for it outside of the usual secondary banter. Meanwhile some mod is banning people that say Nijisanji in Holo threads?
What a fucking disaster vtuberfags are.

>non-touhou thread turned into a meta discussion/shitflinging between touhoufags and holofags
terrible
post some of your favorite cookie/inmu videos, /jp/
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm36384923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBsXu1ghrQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZUflYndnyg

Is there any touhou subgroup more autistic than Cookie? Not counting westerners.

>>32208082
it is atleast tagged as touhou and not cookie, also just because artist have weird way of drawing marisa it wont make it cookie, unless there something else that i am missing.