/jp/ - Otaku Culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdqJAYrvfI
Khatz in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzLBf7l5G-g
Matt 2017

He finds way more problems with Matt's who's been studying waaay longer.

>and people actually give money to matt and listen to him

>>19917180
current matt isnt even better than khatz 8 years ago

>>19917170
matt's better than khatz

>>19893131
>Saying native English speakers don't understand English sounds sane?
Saying that native English speakers could better understand a word's definition by reading its definition in English than another language sounds sane.
>he just mindlessly regurgitates what Matt tells him
I don't know what made you think he's a Matt follower. He disagrees with Matt on a few things like doing RTK early or foregoing reading and mining for months. He's more of Khatz/AJATT fan.

>>19892795
I'm going to guess you're referring to music?
https://www.fluentin3months.com/learning-a-language-through-music/

Even Khatz said it was supr helpful for him and everybody else except Matt, who even admittly said it was helpful but not much. I'd say it's easily one of the top sources, but it's going to vary depending on the pursons interest. If you love music and want to look up lyrics and stuff how would it not be helpful?

>>19871062
>11:34
>At the time I genuinely thought he sounded native after 18 months because I showed the video to my Japanese host and she said he sounded native. [But now I know that's not the case.]
lol even Matt feels scammed by Khatz.

>>19831418
Accomplished learners who recommend listening more than reading:
Nick
Khatz
Matt
BritvsJapan
Steve Kaufmann (passive listening though)


Accomplished learners from DJT:
???

I don't buy Khatz and Matt's theory on the benefits of passive listening. My guess is that passive listening is a waste. I'll be doing a minimum of 3 hours of active listening a day and I'll let you guys know my results in a year. Add me on facebook so I can keep you updated in the mean time.

>>19811265
>which is time away from immersion
And your worthless fucking English tweets aren't you hypocritical retard? Jesus Christ it really is a disgusting smug cult. Khatz and Matt actually seemed to do AJATT in earnest but their followers are such wannabes.

Isn't matt that one guy who's the 3rd best learner online after Dogen and Khatz?

>>19775727
khatz proves how amazing ajatt is so that's not a mark against matt. dogen is better at production of course. those are only two people though. matt is a top tier learner.

>>19746076
are you talking about matt and khatz? khatz

khatz says add 50 sentences a day to anki
matt says add 10 sentences a day to anki
how many items do you add to anki a day if you use anki?

>>19730144
Agreed. Too much of anything is a bad thing. I think you just need to be adapting all the time to what you think your brain is ready for and will be good at. Matt tries to take it in a more fascist direction that Khatz did, khatz was just saying always be doing something japanese and trying to get better. Matt went all militaristic with it.

>>19725842
My fantasy is a Matt/BritvsJapan/Khatz threesome and they're all spurting on top of their pile of patreon money

>>19719464
But praising Khatz isn't what you should be doing because most of djt's problems with Matt, they also have with Khatz.

>>19719418
yeah i guess i was just trying to tell people not to trust others too hard. my impression of matt as a non-patreon is his self introduction video where he sounds like a lisping faggot, the light novel video where he did a pre-reading before recording, and the cafeteria video where he basically says the same stuff in his self intro video and talks over everyone else (basically just narrating, not conversing), and then the vocaroo which sounded better but basically sounded like a light novel character (not appropriate for a man in his 20s).
i'd rather take khatz's advice: someone who lived and worked in japan and sounds like a proper japanese adult in a recent video someone posted which unfortunately got deleted

someone post the video of khatz reading the word documents. he sounds way better than matt

>>19711296
Sentence mining is moreso an AJATT thing than a DJT thing. Khatz and Matt both say not to mine sentences that you don't understand (though they contradict that advice by telling total beginners to mine Tae Kim).

>>19710499
Problem with AJATT and people related to it (e.g. MattVsJapan, who admits this in his latest video) is that they sometimes tell you to do things that they themselves never did just because it seems like a good idea to them.

For instance, Khatz says on the AJATT site not to read a grammar guide even though he read and mined sentences from several. Matt was going around telling people they should do RTK before anything else even though he didn't do that, and has now changed his mind about it after negative feedback from people who actually followed his advice. etc.

Sooner than do the AJATT/MIA/whatever method, you're better off looking at what the people behind those methods actually did themselves and copying it. The only guaranteed way to get the same results that they did is to copy exactly what they did to get where they are.

>>19710499
Not really. Khatz and Matt are OK but nowhere near good enough to learn from. There's at least 2 or 3 regular posters in this thread who can speak much better than Khatz or Matt off the cuff.

I've asked for proof of their ability several times but they probably just haven't gotten around to uploading it, but I trust them.

>>19678107
Clarification: I think Khatz said to add 50 but Matt said 50 was too much and you should do 20. And obviously be selective in what you add since you'll be coming across a lot of i+1 sentences in a day and can't possibly add them all (hundreds and hundreds per day as you get better and better).

>>19678089
I don't know about Khatz but Matt has said you should add a new sentence if you see a word or grammar concept used in a new way.

>>19678077
not "something unfamiliar", something you're ready for
that something can be something you are familiar with but have just not actually learned yet
it can also be something you actually know but don't know something about that the sentence teaches you about, and no, this caught under matt/khatz's misunderstanding of i+1