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Guys I just realized, there's literally no point to bothering with learning pitch accent

People who've gotten really good at Japanese but didn't a single about pitch accent:
1. Khatz (lives in Canada with Japanese gf)
2. Adam/the Jalup guy (lives in California with Japanese wife)
3. Yoga (met wife on the plane to Japan)
4. Pre-2017 Matt (chatted up the high school girls he showed around Portland in 2013 and got them giggling and impressed)
5. Tkyosam (banged tons of Christmas cake Japanese women)

People who gave a shit about pitch accent:
1. Dogen (probably speaks 80% accurate pitch accent at best when he's not doing an ultra-scripted skit, still, has a Japanese wife and kids)
2. 2018-present Matt (hasn't had any significant contact with Japanese girls around his age after he started becoming asinine and autistic about pitch accent and reading the atmosphere in Terrace House)

>>21093032
I like this wisdom:
>"The importance of confidence becomes even clearer when we take a look at the difference between competence and confidence.
>Competence: The ability to do something.
>Confidence: Your belief about your competence."

That was from khatz. Matt's outlook is so fucking cancer. Ignore anything outside of helpful tips because that dude can't even watch anime anymore or anything japanese. He went for over a year without any japanese at all because his methods ruined the culture for himself. His brain relates it to torture now. Be like dolly who is positive, japanese is easy but it takes time.

Kaufmann: audio + visual written language is critical and all you need
Krashen: just read dude
Matt: rtk + anki + watch anime w/out subs all day + mine sentences + read last
Khatz: eat cake with chopsticks

>>21066474
what about sentence mining and formerly rtk
and avoiding permanently crippling ur pitch accent
matt thinks passive helps but khatz went further with listening in ur sleep and eating keeki with ohasi lol

>>21064805
For Khatz and Matt sure but I listed 3 other people.

>>21064788
>no, he stole lazy kanji from khatz as well
I know. That wasn't at all the point of my post which was talking about the differences between what Matt recommended years ago compared to what he recommended in MIA starting 5 months ago. Try to keep up you idiot. And Khatz "stole" input from antimoon and Krashen.

>>21064781
>You can't just discard the "inefficient" methods they used before moving to the better ones
But that's exactly what you've done. Matt was taking Japanese classes before he started AJATT. Khatz has also, despite his claims, been proven to have been studying Japanese pre-AJATT as well.

>>21064770
no, he stole lazy kanji from khatz as well. all of matt's original ideas have been removed from "mia" because they were shit. his method is literally just a rebranding of ajatt now that he uses to dupe idiots into supporting him on patreon.

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/lazy-kanji-cards-a-new-srs-card-format/

>MIA/AJATTers who got N1 after 2 years of AJATTing:
-Nick
-Patrick
-Ben
>MIA/AJATTers who probably could have passed N1 if they had taken the JLPT:
-Khatz
-Matt
>People who got N1 after 2-3 years of reading every day and watching anime:
-Moogy

The evidence is stronger for MIA, no matter how much you hate that cult.

>>21055635
to be fair matt is the einstein of the japanese learning community. we trust physicists because they got us to the moon. we trust matt because he revolutionized learning by popularizing the input hypothesis. moreover there's people like nick, khatz, patrick, etc. who have gotten good using it. so you'd be a fool not to trust him.

>>21054001
I don't think Matt's sentiments are that different. From what I can remember he's in favor of listening when you can as much as you can, but again it's just that passive immersion by itself is ダメ. I could be wrong about Khatz's sentiments, but I don't think he would cosign just passive immersion 24/7 either. We gotta be specific here.

>>21052120
just like khatz before him he realized he couldn't sell what he actually did so he's making up a bunch of shit to pile on top of it. for khatz it was MCDs and silver spoon, for matt it's "optimizations"

>>21050564
>I just use the kanji on the front and keyword on the back. Just "reading", never writing them.
That's Lazy Kanji, you're not the first genius to figure that out, Khatz started peddling that in 2009 and Matt made it a core part of Casual MattJatt (aka the MIA Balanced Approach) in 2018.

>>21050143
Exactly this >>21050177
Wanting to speak Japanese fluently doesn't automatically mean you want to become Japanese. Matt and Nick fell for that bs "I wanna fit in I want nips to see me as a nip too waaah" while Khatz and Tkyosam decided to get the best of both worlds instead: a gaijin pass and being able to use their fluency when it suits them, i.e. to get better service, preferential treatment, easier permanent residency, etc.

>tkyosam: why people on 4chan talk shit Khatz... by the way, who still goes to 4chan, 4chan and reddit you know
>Matt: NOT ME
https://youtu.be/upZ-LwQ7Cxw?t=5715

>>21042088
>japanese people never study pitch accent either
because natives can acquire all of it. foreigners can't.
>when critiqued by a native he said khatz just sounded like he was from yokohama
he pointed out plenty of mistakes with both. also that's from a year or two ago. matt only started studying pitch accent roughly around that time.

>>21037961
you have no evidence that any of this is true youre just repeating shit from matt and khatz' ass

>>20963481
>to the point natives say he's borderline flawless
within the past hour matt just deleted a 12-long comment chain on the ACATT video where some guy said natives have rated khatz' japanese in that blue shirt video from a 7/10 to a 10/10 (i'm assuming it was matt, i saw the comment but it didn't let me view the replies and when i refreshed the page it was gone). so "flawless" is pushing it.

>>20963362
>"mastered" Japanese with this useless bullshit.
Khatz did it in 18 months, to the point natives say he's borderline flawless. Matt is like if you xeroxed the same thing a hundred times and gets all corrupted. He also has autism while khatz was a holistic thinker.

>>20963362
"i+1" has a technical meaning in the science of language acquisition but Khatz and Matt and the jalup guy and everyone else twist the term into something completely different that they can sell.

>>20943261
Any approach consistent with Krashen's models of language acquisition will yield results in the same time to within statistical significance. Matt and Khatz and Antimoon all come down to the same thing: lots of input, use grammar guides and dictionaries and some approach to kanji to make it comprehensible. Anything beyond that is crap they made up and is unsupported by research.

yes let's put common kanji in the back of the book because the creator doesn't know any japanese, never put any focus into recalling which kanji make up what words, and spend months developing a trivial skill that may or may not help you actually learn to write japanese
matt and khatz fell for a scam and pushed it onto other people none of the bullshit logic they come up with will ever change that

>>20910348
matt, khatz, djt, and everyone else who thinks you can acquire japanese by watching anime without studying it

>>20898208
Average AJATTr that crashes and burns spectacularly. Guys like Matt and Khatz are just examples of survivor bias disguising how bad AJATT is for learning japanese for people that don't eat lunch while hiding in the school bathroom.