/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>be obsessive person
>hobbies tend to become my life until I burn out of them. some stand the test of time.
>get into game programming at 12 years old
>steal art for my games until for 14 years (I'm 26)
>decide to learn basic art skills so I don't have to steal
>get obsessed with art
>6 months later I've dropped all my other hobbies and have spent thousands of hours studying and practicing drawing and painting
>still a beginner, that's fine. I expect to be for awhile yet.

I love this shit, but it's getting harder to progress. Newbie gains are slowing down rapidly. Oh well. It's a fun ride.

>>2099435
This isn't school and you're not my teacher. This is a conversation on an internet board. Quit with the holier than thou. I get that you're a more experienced artist but your advice has been disappointingly useless to me for the twice now aforementioned reasons, exception being your suggesting dynamic sketching.

>>2099024
>missing the point entirely
>>2099038
I take criticism better than most on this board. the reason I'm piping up about your comments is because I am already studying everything you're saying to study. Like I said, there is literally nothing I can do to please you. You're just going to have to let me work out my newbie problems on my own. Thanks again for Dynamic Sketching.

>>2098957
I love how she's bald in one frame.

>>2098847
>>2098871
Figured I'd go over it once more. Fixed her balancing act to the best of my ability, gave her hair, re-proportioned her body, added a little more 'magic', removed the empty right-side. Still don't care to do anything with the blocky-ass rocks, but hey, it's just for fun anyway.

>>2098935
Ok. There's literally nothing I can do to take art more seriously in a general sense. I spend up to 14 hours a day, 7 days a week drawing and studying, so I really can't please you if you're going to only pick out my non-academic posts to comment on. I all but explicitly stated I was doing this as a 'pick up the pen and draw for fun' non-study type thing. I did it while drinking and tipsy, to illustrate my point. 95% of my day is spent in serious practice, the last 5% I just want to have fun. Critique the shit where I'm actually applying myself if you want to help. Ctrl+f foxdit, I've posted several academic studies.

FYI you're wrong. I only used a hard round brush, one textured brush (the shit on the rocks that I didn't bother doing anything with), and my flow was 100% the entire time. Nor did I use the chalk brush you've mentioned in the past. I called it a thumb 'cause I didn't approach this drawing seriously, and only intended it to be a small image with simple, quick, low-detail rendering.

>>2098847
Haha, yeah, originally I aimed for confidence in her posture, but it ended up with her looking grossed out to be touching the sea dragon. Agreed, about the balance ... I am shit at composition.

Got bored of studying so I did a little thumb-like scene from imagination.

>>2098796
Noted. The potbellied chick is the only really odd looking one to me, but provided you have a more skilled eye than myself I can certainly believe you.

>>2098722
Hey anon. Some of them look fine, even good! You're definitely capable of it. Keep in mind that you're practicing SO much other good stuff whilst doing this! You're training your eye to see volumes and angles, you're practicing line control, and you're internalizing the principles of perspective. It's all great for your draftsmanship! Keep at it!

>>2098714
It's an inefficient method for rendering as you're working on shadow, light, and midtones all at the same time. Literally no other artist works like that, and for good reason. Good art comes from a refinement process of simple to complex, going from big blocky forms with little definition to refined forms with detail. There are lots of parts of the body that should communicate with each other in terms of value. It may produce better results for you right now -- although I'm thinking it's a fluke -- but later on it'll really limit you.

>>2098703
Oh my god. Don't shade and render like a printer, working your way down from nearly scratch.
In a new layer underneath your linework, paint the entire figure in midtone. Then identify the points of shadow and the points of light. Apply tones.
Good god man, you're torturing yourself pointlessly.

>>2098668
Ooo thank you thank you. Super handy ref.

Various torso studies. Gotta start studying and incorporating the rest of the anatomy. I don't know anything about leg and forearm muscles.

>>2098611
Other things you had seen? There are no better ways than wrapping lines to show 3 dimensional form without the use of value.

You probably did improve... at drawing flat gestures. Your technique is flawed. You need to focus on form and three dimensionality so your poses have a sense of space. I mean, the only wrapping lines I see are SOME your sphere ribcages. You need to study. Go with Proko or Michael Hampton's lessons on gesture.

tried a cartoony fox once, think it's kinda cute.

>>2098339
Sounds like a plan. I'm working on this all too-- constructing figures from scratch, placing anatomy on that construction, all whilst maintaining 3d form. Tough stuff. Here's where I'm at. The only one not from imagination is the really muscular chick in the middle. Just trying to strengthen surface anatomy and form, but it can all get so messy. Hopefully one day, with practice, I can make it look elegant, but for now it's all a big exploratory study to me.

>>2098292
Read Michael Hampton's construction/anatomy sections in his book. You can DL it here:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Also in that archive, in the videos folder, are Vilppu's specific body part anatomy videos. That'll add all the detail and complexity you need after you get the hang of the basic stuff. I'm not even there yet.

>>2098264
Everything under the sun. However, learning landmark anatomy is probably the most crucial thing. Learn how to construct the ribcage and pelvis as simple 3D forms, and learn the muscles that connect and add shape around those forms.

If I could go back, I would be saving myself a lot of time by using Proko's videos on youtube for figure drawing:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws

Hah, Early this morning, I popped an adderall for the first time since starting art. Thought it might make me hyper focused on my art studies. But in actuality I'm hyper-distracted. Like, I've done everything but art. God damn.
All I've managed to squeeze out were a couple of pretty sloppy warmup torso drawings.

>>2097078
Who use tumblr? No.

>>2096803
Hey, I don't know what your goals are, but if you are trying to get good, this concept helps:
Approach no drawing as anything but practice. Don't allow yourself to feel attached to any particular work you produce. 95% of your drawings should be practice, study, internalizing concepts, and repetition. That other 5% is finishing works for the sole practice of seeing where you are, and making sure you can finish pieces.

>>2096237
>>2096302
I appreciate the wisdom.
http://foxdit.tumblr.com/

I'll keep up with it from here on. Cheers

>>2096442
Dude, just chiming in to say thanks for the sweet idea of taping paper onto the tablet! My skills on paper are insanely superior to my skills on tablet and that idea just helped bridge the gap, micro-wobbles aside.

I drew a cartoon fox in your honor

>>2095503
Really powerful. Good share