Make /ic/ Great Again

[Anonymous No.4539222]

Let’s reform /ic/ and make it a genuinely valuable resource.
Given that there is no real alternatives and that some of the other boards on 4chan are on the vanguard of culture (agree or disagree, 4chan is hugely influential in important and unexpected ways) I propose we take responsibility for this place and elevate it to what it could be.

***The main principle I see is keeping all bants, posts and critiques ruthlessly education and resource oriented. ***
Additionally I would propose the following:

1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads

2. Cool it with the crabbing and posturing. Everyone should adopt a stance of being a self-aware, lifelong learner and not an opinionated dickHead for laughs.

3. Eliminate all posts that denigrate any or all existing approaches. No shaming of “realists” for being “human cameras” or “photocopiers” and going on about “muh drawing from imagination”. If you don’t like that stuff there are other threads. And no shaming of animu styles EXCLUDING Loli and coomer bs. This posturing needs to go.

The world is changing fast and we need to get gud without wasting our life on image board degeneracy (or go to /b/ for that shit)

[Anonymous No.4539224]

>>4539222
> Make /ic/ Great Again
> Using coomer unironically
Nah, get fucked crossboarder.

[Anonymous No.4539228]

>>4539222
I appreciate the initiative

[Anonymous No.4539229]

>>4539224
Found the coomer.
Go back to /b/

[Anonymous No.4539231]

>>4539229
>muh degeneracy
No, you go back /pol/

[Anonymous No.4539238]

>>4539222
If I make a YouTube channel focusing on anonymous tutorials, and share the password publicly, would people troll or would they contribute and make it comfy?

[Anonymous No.4539248]

>>4539231
Look coomer, like it or not your shit is for lowlifes. It brings the educational and attentional value of this place down.
I am /pol/ oriented but I promise to cut out the politics and “Muh degeneracy” if we can all agree to keep things constructive and as accessible to as many people as possible. As I said, there could be containment threads. If you weren’t a self serving dick you would be ok with that. But I’m proposing a community with at least a minimum standard of decency and constructiveness.

[Anonymous No.4539249]

I just ignore those threads. If no one replies to those, no one would make those threads anymore. Unlikely to happen though. I've found some helpful threads every now and then. But 90% of the time, just assume people are shitposting

[Anonymous No.4539250]

>>4539238
You are either trolling or too retarded to know the answer.

[Anonymous No.4539255]

>>4539238
I’d be cool.
It would be great to actually create a culture where we have each other’s backs.

[Anonymous No.4539260]

>>4539238
>>4539255
Or an open Google Drive? My first thought is of backing up in case anyone deletes stuff

[Anonymous No.4539264]

>>4539222
>Make /ic/ Great Again
/ic/ has never been great, and it never will be great. The very nature of having an anonymous community with no accountability makes it impossible to reform for the better. There is absolutely nothing you can do to address the problems you may have with the board.

Go find another site if you want a better community.

[Anonymous No.4539274]

>>4539264
First post said there are no alternatives.
A lot of the people here are actually serious about developing as artists.
Would I have chosen this place as the last art discussion forum worth visiting? No.
But here we are. There is no reason to conform with the norm of other boards.

The best way to achieve that is to give shitposters no leeway or attention.

[Anonymous No.4539279]

>>4539222
If you need /ic/ to get gud you're already lost.

[Anonymous No.4539287]

>>4539274
It would help if the mods stepped in more often to cull bait threads and constant shitposters/crabs.

[Anonymous No.4539300]

>>4539250
no, not really. just curious to experiment what will happen if an anonymous board focused on getting better will self destruct or bloom given a public platform to help more directly.

>>4539255
>>4539260
a backup system is absolutely needed if this were to happen lmao.

[Anonymous No.4539308]

>>4539222
>Shun coomer art
Yes
>Cool it with the crabbing
Hell no

[Anonymous No.4539312]

>>4539222
Herr are my concerns and comments regarding your three proposals:

1. Fuck you
2. Fuck you
3. Fuck you

[Anonymous No.4539317]

>>4539260
Or just gave a weekly thread and then the drive master can add in what's appropriate.

[Anonymous No.4539319]

>>4539300
Ofc someone will take that account and turn it into a holocaust sequel, it's better to have the password for yourself and you upload what you want (in which case you should make a thread/take from other threads what gonna help us.)

[Anonymous No.4539323]

>>4539274
>The best way to achieve that is to give shitposters no leeway or attention.
>>4539255
>It would be great to actually create a culture where we have each other’s backs.

This has never worked on any board, ever.

Abandon all hope of improving /ic/. It is what it is. If you're going to expect better of the people here, then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment & frustration.

[Anonymous No.4539330]

>>4539323
>This has never worked on any board, ever.
You have clearly never been on /fit/

[Anonymous No.4539335]

>>4539264
>makes it impossible to reform for the better
Strongly disagree. No, it's ofc not possible to make every single one who stumbles into this ukraining folk singing forum behave some kind of way, but a handful of people are enough to lead the way and push towards a more constructive board. Not only the recurring generals are a good example, but I've been surprised by some really useful discussions I've seen that popped up in random threads. It doesn't have to stay that random.

[Anonymous No.4539336]

>>4539222
No. If you don't like /ic/ how it is, leave.

[Anonymous No.4539338]

>>4539317
>>4539319
weekly tutorial thread idea is actually kino as fuck. But I am still pretty curious, that will be the backup if the first plan devolves into hellfire. It will be funny to watch anyways. If it does sustain itself, i don't need to personally do anything other than light modding and I wouldn't have to be an active part of it in case I get busy or anything. Also my personal bias is not something I want involved in this.

[Anonymous No.4539340]

>>4539300
>will self destruct or bloom given
It will self destruct because even if 99% of people are positive, it would only take 1 idiot to fuck everything up

[Anonymous No.4539341]

>>4539336
This
These stupid /pol/ crossboarders ruined every board because it didn't fit with their vision.

[Anonymous No.4539344]

>>4539248
>>4539274
we don't need a dear leader
fuck off with your sanctimonious bullshit

also this: >>4539279

[Anonymous No.4539349]

So the only posts on /ic/ should be about how to make digital art that looks like Sargent, Leyendecker, and Bouguereau because /ic/ groupthink has decided they are good?

Wow how original.

[Anonymous No.4539357]

>>4539323
On smaller/slower boards like /lit/ or /po/ I've seen barely any shitposters and the community seems overall supportive.

[Anonymous No.4539371]

>>4539357
>>4539330
I don't know what you guys are smoking but /fit/ is absolutely filled with bait threads, low effort posts, incessant arguing over trivial bullshit and a whole lot of hateful trolling.

[Anonymous No.4539378]

>>4539371
Yeah it is nowadays because /r9k/ tier actual incels and trannies invaded the board with their skinnyfat and skeleton ass bodies and lookism garbage. /fit/ is probably the worst it's ever been.

[Anonymous No.4539383]

>>4539222
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.4539387]

>>4539222
Make a discord

[Anonymous No.4539392]

>>4539371
I haven't been there last month. I just remember they actually have funny memes and that the board is supportive and give good advice. It might be because, unlike /ic/ it's easy to spot trolls and ignore them

[Anonymous No.4539401]

as much as I’d like to see certain types of posts stop, there is no realistic way to regulate /ic/ other than the mild moderation that currently exists. if you want police what other people post then go somewhere else, I enjoy the chaotic freedom here. if someone posts something you don’t like then just call them a fag and move on, or better yet ignore it.

[Anonymous No.4539403]

>>4539349
pic related, also, that's fucking beautiful

[Anonymous No.4539409]

>>4539222
>hey guise lets make the /ic/ conform to my ideals because i think you guys really suck and have shit taste and i'm too socially inept to go elsewhere

[Anonymous No.4539418]

>>4539222
Post your work first

[Anonymous No.4539420]

>>4539418
>inb4 loomis heads

[Anonymous No.4539499]

>>4539401
Mods delete bait threads all the time, sometimes they'll even delete trollposts. So policing does happen sometimes.

[Anonymous No.4539515]

>>4539222
I don't understand the animosity towards 'coomer' art. It's a rich historical tradition (see pic), takes real skill to do well, and is one of the most viable ways for artists to make a living.

I don't have a problem with any of your other points.

[Anonymous No.4539553]

>>4539515
The standard answer used to be "Christianity" but that's largely dead as a cultural force in the first world now and people are more prudish (in at least some ways) than ever.
It's a very complex phenomenon and not all expressions of sexuality are treated the same way by all groups of people. SJWs for example love gay tranny porn but react very harshly to depictions of women that straight men tend to find arousing.
Part of it may be the inherent value and scarcity of women's reproductive resources. There's an evolutionary pressure against society just letting loose and having unrestricted orgies all the time, because it increases the chance that women will waste scarce womb capacity. And this sort of mechanism extends to any sort of flagrant or deviant expression of sexuality.
Or maybe people just think sex is gross in the same way they think other bodily functions are gross. I dunno, I'm just guessing at this point. But there's no doubt that it's a very powerful and ingrained aspect of human behavior for most people.

[Anonymous No.4539565]

>>4539553
the real answer is that you’re drawing hilarious deviant art fetish fan art and we’re all laughing at you

[Anonymous No.4539571]

>>4539499
Ist stuff here ever being reported? I wouldn't even know what reason to give. But then maybe there's a lot of stuff that's being filtered that I just never see.

[Anonymous No.4539576]

>>4539565
Laughing at the poor quality of art is a separate issue. Obviously what that guy pointed out is still correct, some people hate porn art no matter how well it's drawn.

[Anonymous No.4539647]

>>4539576
if some horny guy lovingly rendered the cistine chapel of fetish art and it’s just like, a woman with cum on her face it’s still funny that he drew that

[Anonymous No.4539655]

We need more of those "Draw this in your style", Tower Princesses and "Combine 3" posts. People would sit down and draw something for once instead of shitpost

[Anonymous No.4539714]

People here have already forgotten that time crabs made a serious thread asking mods to update the Sticky. And how well it ended. How do we even reform /ic/ anyway? People won't change, shitposters aren't here to improve. Don't expect the jannies to help either, they enforce the rules leniently - though I do see them deleting off-topic threads more often - but they won't enforce penalties for wrong thinking like 3), imagine working for free and having to watch over for our dissent opinions like a Komissar in Poland. You've been banned 3 days for shaming of animu. Srsly.

[Anonymous No.4539751]

>>4539714
OP still only has said what ((not)) to do, not what to do. We really can't stop people from doing shit, but only try and create more quality shit plus see to it that relevant stuff doesn't get bumped off the board

[Anonymous No.4539757]

>>4539553
Yeah, I'm aware of the cultural animosity against porn. Not surprisingly, puritans can be found among SJWs and the /pol/ right.

What I don't get is the animosity found on this board among ARTISTS among all people. Drawing the nude is a fundamental part of art practice, and many great artists made what would be called 'coomer' art here (Schiele, Hokusai, Bill Ward, Picasso, Crumb, Wally Wood, Greek vase painters, etc.).

[Anonymous No.4539759]

>>4539222
>Stop posting art I don't like or I will keep shitposting
You are literally the problem

[Anonymous No.4539766]

>>4539757
>not posting the translation

[Anonymous No.4539777]

>>4539222
>STOP ACTING LIKE CRABS
really nice and well-thought plan, OP

[Anonymous No.4539786]

>>4539757
>>4539515
>>4539553
>>4539515


OP here.
My primary reason for wanting to minimize the presence or coomer art is not because of some puritanical impulse (although I find all the sparkling jizz and ridiculous expressions repulsive af). But precisely because it is so polarizing. For the most part it is posted as a form of shitpost. To troll people for whom pictures of squirting sperm (gay or straight) IS disturbing. One persons loli is another persons child porn (or the depiction of said fantasies). One SJWs “natural” sex tastes are another persons death-deserving haram. It INVITES conflict and discomfort and I have never seen a coomer post where this doesn't seem to be the intent. There are rarely if any relevant questions about anatomy, rendering or whatever the fuck that couldnt be asked with less anatagonistic shit.
Furry art seems to be banned here which to me is arbitrary but no one seems to have a problem respecting it. At least I’m trying to be consistent as to why this shit is non-conducive to constructive art discourse.
Lastly I DID say containment threads are an option.

[Anonymous No.4539806]

>>4539757
>Schiele, Picasso
Get the fuck out

[Anonymous No.4539818]

>>4539714
How is it crabbing to ask the mods to update the incredibly outdated and shit sticky?

[Anonymous No.4539820]

If I had mod power over this board I'd wipe you all out like fuckin outbreak, eyes on your chin watch what your mouth says

[Anonymous No.4539825]

>>4539786
>But precisely because it is so polarizing. For the most part it is posted as a form of shitpost. To troll people for whom pictures of squirting sperm (gay or straight) IS disturbing
We were trying to figure out why so many people find porn art disturbing in the first place. It's not obvious to me? Do you know why?
Also go fuck yourself, we're not "minimizing" the presence of shit, and the crybabies can just put up with it.

[Anonymous No.4539826]

>>4539655
>>4539751
It’s all about fun at the end of the day. Promote things that make learning and practice more fun than shitposting if you want anons to spend more time doing the former rather than latter

[Anonymous No.4539830]

>>4539825
because porn is disturbing outside of what it is intended. If you can't figure out why perhaps go outside more often and socialize with actual people sometime you degenerate sperg

[Anonymous No.4539839]

>>4539830
That's not an explanation or an argument for your views though. All you did was say "because it is" and call me names. That doesn't actually explain or justify anything.
There's definitely some art that I don't like either, extreme gore for example, but if people wanted to post that here then I wouldn't tell them to stop, because ultimately it's just lines on paper that don't hurt anyone, and my own personal distaste for it doesn't justify me stopping other people from sharing and critiquing the art that they like.

[Anonymous No.4539844]

>>4539825

My answer to you was already in the post (in the part you quoted and also) here:

>One persons loli is another persons child porn (or the depiction of said fantasies).
>One SJWs “natural” sex tastes are another persons death-deserving haram.

Why the fuck do you need to ask why? It’s RELATIVE asshole. The individual reasons may not even be your fucking business.

Also this
>>4539830

[Anonymous No.4539849]

>>4539844
Just because someone thinks something is wrong, doesn't mean they're rational or justified in thinking that, or that we need to make any accomodations for them at all. We could just say "sorry that you think it's wrong, but, tough luck, we won't change what we're doing."
My religion says that all nudity is sinful, even if it's non-sexual, can we mandate that no more nude models or drawings can be posted on /ic/ so I can feel more comfortable?

[Anonymous No.4539851]

>>4539806
>seething puritanical scum
the material world is vulgar, and vulgarity is a viable channel for great art - these are inescapable facts. please take your sanctimony, repression, and schizophrenic belief in a morally concerned anthropomorphic god-troll and shove it up your ass

[Anonymous No.4539854]

>>4539757
stop trying to compare your shiny digital fan art of whatever fotm gay fantasy character to cherry picked examples of fine art. In general nudity =\= porn
>>4539786
you are right but also you shouldn’t try to censor this hellhole, I wouldn’t have it any other way. porn drawings are funny, and shouldn’t be taken seriously. but they should have the freedom to post whatever they want that isn’t illegal or breaking board rules. you just make fun of them, it’s simple. if you’re going to draw porn and post it online, have a thicker skin and don’t take yourself so seriously.

[Anonymous No.4539858]

>>4539839
Some things don't need an explanation, you just need to be able to read the room, but you can't do that can you?

>>4539851
you are so cool for being a contrarian, thats why you act like a retard right? so people on the internet will think you were cool?

[Anonymous No.4539863]

>>4539849
Then you fundamentally disagree that this board should be useful to anyone other than liberal whites with asian fetishes.
And if thats the case, fine, but fuck you, you don’t have use for or in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4539871]

>>4539858
>the bootlicker continues to seethe instead of making any coherent points
eat shit

[Anonymous No.4539877]

>>4539871
you didn't make any coherent points other than make it clear to everyone you are a degenerate recluse

[Anonymous No.4539878]

>>4539851
This board is not a viable channel for great art but for people from all over the goddamn world trying to grind fundies without an art school.
The merits of “muh vulgarity as art” are above the paygrade of the people here.

[Anonymous No.4539884]

>>4539871
Whose boots is he licking again?

[Anonymous No.4539897]

>>4539854
Not really trying to censor so much as acknowledge that this place serves a function higher than it’s current status quo. I like shitposting and casual offensiveness as much as the next guy but i don't like it In every goddamn discussion, everywhere I go. I go out of my way to partake. Obviously not everyone agrees.

[Anonymous No.4539898]

>>4539878
not him but you’re the odd one out here. I don’t personally like most degenerate shit but this is 4chan. whether you like it or not edgy shit is board culture, full stop. if you’re actually trying to hall monitor this cesspool like a fucking dork just go back to plebbit

[Anonymous No.4539899]

>>4539877
I have both a job and a fiancee, I just don't buy into your retarded bullshit

>>4539884
the boots of imaginary authority

[Anonymous No.4539902]

>>4539899
The authority that enforces what? Based-ness?

[Anonymous No.4539903]

>>4539898
See >>4539897

[Anonymous No.4539909]

>>4539877
this entire thread says more about you OP than it does for anyone here. the fact that you've made it your personal mission to "clean up" /ic/ to fit your image is very pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4539910]

>>4539655
Make a thread and I will post there. May sketch a day is a good time for it

[Anonymous No.4539918]

I appreciate your idealism anon, but honestly the only way to improve is by individuals independently deciding to be positive forces until they can peer pressure assholes into behaving. you cant force it, people have to want to foster a nurturing community first, and most people would rather anonymously act like shitheads for the meme on the internet because being a snarky cunt and belittling others is what society considers cool right now.

[Anonymous No.4539923]

I’m not sure I agree with banning coom art or anime, but I do agree that obvious repeat shitposters should get at least a 3 day ban. It would probably help productivity in some way.

[Anonymous No.4539924]

>>4539909
That wasnt OP.
But yeah coomers ruin this place. Period.

[Anonymous No.4539931]

>>4539918
jesus christ.. this is 4chan
if you're coming here for personal enrichment then you're retarded

[Anonymous No.4539936]

>>4539931
There are a number of boards that are merely 4chan but there are others which have risen above their origins.

[Anonymous No.4539938]

>>4539931
eh, im not as puritanical as OP, I think there is value in coom art desu and shitposting about art is fun. But since this is a board where I think most people are striving to git good, maybe a little less negativity is warranted, even on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4539943]

>>4539918
its not that it is considered cool, but the power of anonymity allows artists to vent their frustrations in the form of playing a character that gets a rise out of other people. I wouldn't doubt people like Proko come here and shitpost after a long stressfull day

[Anonymous No.4539944]

>>4539931
Different anon. Probably the only thing I agree with op on is that this board's purpose is different than most other boards.

[Anonymous No.4539946]

>>4539938
I don't mind coomer art, just wish it had its own containment thread

[Anonymous No.4539950]

>>4539936
yet most anons complain they cannot socialize with others on other sites or even off the internet because they aren't free to say faggot or nigger every 3 seconds in a "discussion"

this is a troll board. the whole fucking site is. you and OP are beyond delusional if you think 4chan be "elevated" to anything more than what it is.

[Anonymous No.4539956]

>>4539943
maybe so, but that still doesnt make it ok. Even after a stressful day it never crosses my mind to say, crab on a /beg/, because im mad. that is a pretty immature mentality to have desu. I dont think people would "play the character" unless they thought someone else might think its amusing. I think a little bit of playful bullying is ok, but lately its become pretty genuinely vile desu. When someone is sincerely trying to learn and the thread rips them apart for keks its stupid, and ruins the quality of the board.

[Anonymous No.4539969]

>>4539222
its a nice idea to make /ic/ better, but i dont think policing the thread is the way to go. There are people here who want to learn to draw, that included coom art and loli porn. No sense in bashing it. Another thing, freedom to say what ever the fuck you want no matter what is a staple of 4chan.

what you want is more achievable is very narrowed down in /ic/ standards. But if you want it that bad, it can be achieved by going into smaller groups in other sites, or maybe a discord server.

I dont think that any board on 4chan has ever gotten "better". It is what it is.

Enjoy the boards that arent shit according to your taste and ignore the ones that you consider garbage.

[Anonymous No.4539975]

>>4539956
the only real way to fix the board is to simply ignore shitposts and other posts you don't like, if the majority of the people did that then the attention whoring degenerates and crabs would die down pretty quick and find another board to get their fix.

[Anonymous No.4539976]

>>4539248
>I am /pol/ oriented

[Anonymous No.4539982]

>>4539975
If only other anons would do the same thing. It seems like whenever a crab or shitposter starts larping in a thread, there will always be retards who give them (you)s. Maybe one day it will change with more awareness of bait.

[Anonymous No.4540006]

>>4539982
the problem is, in a board based on art, you are gonna get a lot of big ego types who will jump at the chance to show everyone else their knowledge of art and the crabs larping give those ego types the perfect chance to strut their stuff. It is unfortunately a never ending cycle.

[Anonymous No.4540033]

>>4539976
>Coomer thinks he's better than literally anyone

[Anonymous No.4540036]

>>4539766
Holy shit fucking kek

[Anonymous No.4540037]

>>4539248
Leave and never come back

[Anonymous No.4540038]

>>4540033
post your portfolio

[Anonymous No.4540049]

>it's yet A N O T H E R puritan rage thread made by some /pol/ catholic larper
holy fuck you guys are literal schizos.

[Anonymous No.4540065]

>>4539222
>>4540006
OP would have to create and push the /ic/ version of this, just not gonna happen

[Anonymous No.4540102]

>>4539818
I would need to find back the thread in the Archives. Basically someone trolled that the Sticky will be updated - crabbing ensued, then the crabs decided to not be faggots just for once. Serious discussion ensued for hundred of posts, then of course nothing happened. The only change I can see happening is in the Generals, as they're based on a few dedicated individuals maintaining the links and ressources - but they will vary from months to months as the dedicated come and go, such is the nature of the board.

[Anonymous No.4540142]

>>4540065
This is why /pol/ is based.

[Anonymous No.4540179]

>>4539854
>stop trying to compare your shiny digital fan art of whatever fotm gay fantasy character to cherry picked examples of fine art. In general nudity =\= porn
The examples I picked aren't just nudity, by modern standards they would be considered porn (or to use a more refined term, erotica).

If your argument is that 99% of NSFW art is cliched shit, then that would apply to most categories. Most comic books are shit, most comic strips are shit, much of manga is shit.

But hell, even /ic/ darling Kim Jung Gi does coomer art, and does it well. This anti-coomer rhetoric—on 4chan of all places—is little more than moral preening (and resentment of success).

[Anonymous No.4540189]

>>4539918
Best of luck with that

[Anonymous No.4540190]

How come /ic/ is one of the few boards where the "coomer" meme still resides?

[Anonymous No.4540197]

>>4540190
Because it's an easy meme to use against artists making bank on their patreons. Resentment 101.

[Anonymous No.4540345]

Instead of polycing the board, you could open a containment thread with your regulation. If people post in is an other matter. Just ignore the people trying to troll and they'll get bored and will leave the thread alone.

[Anonymous No.4540426]

No Amawus being retarded no nothing about art weebs in threads modern.and contemporary art.

[Anonymous No.4540430]

>>4539248
Why does their have to be like 30 anime threads at once?

[Anonymous No.4540443]

>>4539222
whats crabbing?

[Anonymous No.4540445]

>>4539902
Doesn’t matter what it enforces if it’s based on a retarded premise

[Anonymous No.4540675]

>>4539392
Your actually fucking high, retarded, baiting or a combination of all three. Just like the majority of this god forsaken website, after 2016, every board with more then 80 post per hour became /pol/ lite and was swarmed with people that are "pretending" to be retarded. /fit/ is one of the boards that had its quality hit the hardest.

[Anonymous No.4540681]

>>4539222
Post your work OP, i want to see what a magnificent mind like you can draw

[Anonymous No.4540701]

>>4539222
>1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads
|3. Eliminate all posts that denigrate any or all existing approaches. No shaming of “realists” for being “human cameras” or “photocopiers” and going on about “muh drawing from imagination”. If you don’t like that stuff there are other threads. And no shaming of animu styles EXCLUDING Loli and coomer bs. This posturing needs to go.
Nice double standard son of a bitch, coomer art represents 90% of the art market nowadays, go be a puritan evangelist somewhere else

[Anonymous No.4540752]

>>4539264
Your post is wrong. YOU believe it's impossible. Your opinion isn't a fact!
This place is garbage because the garbage people act & the rest doesn't!

[Anonymous No.4540760]

>>4540065
so ... the shittiest board on 4chan is going to clean up while /ic, one of the oldest, still feeds the trolls daily? This community is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4540761]

>>4539222
>I make rules for this board
>doesn’t post work
You are in no position to make these claims hypocrite

[Anonymous No.4540762]

>>4539312
>

[Anonymous No.4540765]

>>4539274
A lot of people are not serious about being artists. They love the idea of being an artist, impress people and have drawn, yet they hate the process. That’s why you see all of these loomeme and Vilppu threads floating around like gasoline in water

[Anonymous No.4540766]

>>4540065
How many reports does it take for a bait/shill thread to get taken down?
We could feasibly achieve something similar to /pol/'s cleanup if enough anons were interested.

[Anonymous No.4540771]

>>4539918
How fucking new are you?

[Anonymous No.4540777]

>>4539969
It’s a complete shit idea from a retard. Those people think they are in the position to regulate something they have no idea of; you would laugh seeing the works of these crabs.

Ignore these threads, it’s just newfag beginner who blame their shortcomings on everyone else but themselves

[Anonymous No.4540779]

>>4539264
when CA was still around ic was great, because industry pros would post and give advice.

now it's just filled with anime trash coomers

[Anonymous No.4540784]

>>4539248
Fuck back to your containment board with your photocopied floating heads lmao

[Anonymous No.4540786]

>>4539248
You are a fucking beginner and propose something that might be better for everyone? You are a hypocrite and a midwit, probably a virgin and have no friends

[Anonymous No.4540812]

>>4540765
You think only artists visit /ic? How many b/trolls plop down another wacom or How do i draw this sexy anime girl or this artist or villpu that thread and /ic NEVER FAILS to take the bait. Bait threads hang around for weeeeeks while legit threads die. This is /ic.

[Anonymous No.4540817]

>>4540812
Not him, but is there really nothing that can be done to fix that? Anons get told to ignore trolls/bait all the time, but it seems like some just keep feeding them no matter what.

[Anonymous No.4540819]

>>4539238
Might be better to use peertube

>>4539317
Seems too centralized. This idea only makes sense if it's by people for people

[Anonymous No.4540827]

>>4539931
Artwork/critique.
Critique IS for personal enrichment!!
Aren't we coming here to git gud at art? Get actual feedback on our art? (Instead of "nice!" Or "lol its trash") Sounds like personal enrichment to me.

[Anonymous No.4540830]

>>4539975
Ignore AND contribute more than coomers. The 2nd criteria is extremely important.

[Anonymous No.4540833]

>>4540179
Even Kim Jung Gi knows that he shouldn't draw this kind of material when he's invited in big public conventions.
He would NEVER draw that in Comic con for obvious reasons because there's a time & a place* for these.
(*in this board, the place is the nsfw containment thread)

[Anonymous No.4540837]

>>4540197
You can make bank without having to artwhore yourself.

[Anonymous No.4540845]

>>4540701
Your percentage comes out of nowhere, and I'm pretty sure that you came up with it because you're a perv who looks at this kind of art a lot.

[Anonymous No.4540856]

>>4540817
Dunno, even the newest boards learned to ignore trolls and/or develop their own anti-bait systems. /ic as a community seems to be .... below the curve.

[Anonymous No.4540860]

>>4539222
Nah. I'm going to keep posting my amazing coomer art I created using my superb knowledge of anatomy and will do my best encourage other fellow coomers. I'll keep gaslighting xerox fags like you with crab advice because you cunts have no desire to actually learn and deserve to be crabbed, ridiculed and bamboozled.

[Anonymous No.4540862]

>>4539357
>>4539392
What the fuck is your obsession with supportive communities? Those that you posted are the least supportive of them all, something you would realize if you weren’t completely retarded. No one is gonna present the information on a silver plate and spoonfeed it to you imbecile.
How is the concept of anonymity so foreign to you?

[Anonymous No.4540870]

A supportive community? I don’t want ic to become fucking /fit/ 2.0, which deals with vapid and arbitrary bullshit. Go back to your shithole board, it seems to fit your personality quite well

[Anonymous No.4540882]

>>4540065
Seconding, that's the least we can do.
Create a copypasta make ic great again image so new users can get on it quickly

[Anonymous No.4540887]

>>4539222
>1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads
Annnnnd it's trash.

[Anonymous No.4540898]

>>4539222
I love to draw coomer art and loli, and I also try to be helpful and positive towards other us. Coomers aren’t the problem, it is trolls. I agree we should make efforts to build one another up, but right out of the gate you exclude people for drawing things you do not like, thus displaying in real time why it is difficult if not impossible to turn this into a community of positivity.

[Anonymous No.4540979]

i can bet you that a good majority of the edge lords in this threads arent higher then /beg/ or low intermediate.

[Anonymous No.4540984]

>>4540701
>coomer art represents 90% of the art market nowadays
I'm not against coomer art, but you have to be fucking kidding me. You must only ever look at twitter if you think that number you pulled out your ass is in any way accurate.

[Anonymous No.4540994]

>>4540675
>after 2016
Try 2009

[Anonymous No.4540998]

>>4539222
>Bait
well played I guess. now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4541059]

>>4540065
>>4540882
Isn't announcing a sage breaking a global rule?

[Anonymous No.4541068]

>>4539222
>1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads
''Male sex drive bad reeeeee''

[Anonymous No.4541180]

>>4539222
You are just a lowtest simp

[Anonymous No.4541183]

>>4539222
>I propose we take responsibility for this place and elevate it to what it could be.
Post your art first so that we can judge if you are even in the position to propose something like this in the first place

[Anonymous No.4541195]

>>4541059
It might be, but I hardly ever see it enforced.

[Anonymous No.4541234]

>>4541183
Actually that proposal is equally valid from either a /beg/ or a chad artist. In fact the /beg/ has more to gain from improving the overall quality of this place - so long as they are serious about learning.

[Anonymous No.4541241]

>>4540898
As I said, coomer posts are generally just posted to trigger and be obnoxious. The subject matter is polarizing and invites conflict. I don’t care what people draw but those posts are rarely if ever genuine and constructive. A containment thread is as valid for coomers as it is for /beg/.
Also furries in theory have as much reason to be here as coomers, yet they are banned and no one complains.

[Anonymous No.4541249]

>>4539222
you should be doing that yourself OP, not rely on the board to behave itself, only so you can do the same

too much police would literally kill this bastion of art, its not our fault you can swim the sea of shit

[Anonymous No.4541252]

>>4541249
cant*

[Anonymous No.4541265]

I really believe that we should have a separation between coomers & SFW artists :
- A board where you can post any sane art (the limit being figurative nudity );
- a board for the rest (with a guro,furry, any other pron tutorials );
People will know their place, focus on their subject matter without being interrupted by degenerates or morals, etc.
In the majority of the other places this distinction is made.
Wanna know how to start drawing diaper art for money using patreon? Ok, you have your board for that, full of likeminded artists.
Wanna make it drawing landscape art for your professionnal portfolio?
Cool, you have your board for that.
Even 4chan/4channel understood how necessary it is : /co/ and /aco/ , /a/ and /h/, /wsg/ and /g/ :
/IC/ AND /AIC/...
It will be better for Everyone.

[Anonymous No.4541267]

>>4539264
>this is my mud
>i like IT here
>it was always mud I swear
>NO GO AWAY IF YOU DONT LIKE BEING DIRTY

[Anonymous No.4541281]

>>4541265
Ya.

[Anonymous No.4541296]

>>4541249
God, I love Yoshinari's energy.

[Anonymous No.4541307]

>>4541281
Thank you. Now where do we make this happen? Do we ask jannies or hiro himself?

[Anonymous No.4541312]

>>4541241
Like, which coomer posts? The recurring threads that I've seen are
>is this artist a thief? reference?
>how important is talent/creativity/soul
>thoughts about X method? is Y a fraud?
>frogposter/diary blog thread
>anything that references modern or abstract art

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541366]

>>4539222
could it be? a man truly seeking to turn this dump into a goldmine?!
nope, it's just some loser who wants the nsfw art out.

Regardless, unless you are a mod who is willing to go berserk on this place it will remain trash forever
The reason is simple
pro artists hanging out with guys just starting out is like trying to have a kindergartner and highschoolers in the same classroom. babysitting is fun sometimes, but sometimes the adults need to talk in private.
Imagine for a second /g/ working like /ic/
>guys I'm trying to figure out this code to minimize compression on exporting a png when the original file was already a png so it would't start degrading over exports
>guys what's a png
>is this c# or python?
>yo these guys are hiding info from me! I knew these greedy pros just kept all the info to themselves
>heh soulless code, bro, NGMI

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541372]

>>4541366
forgot to mention that nsfw threads are probably the only place that's actually doing something on /ic/
I got dubs too

[Anonymous No.4541407]

>>4541366
>>4541372
basically this, you're not going to get much help from anon's who are not vetted or accountable for anything, at least people can try using trips maybe?

[Anonymous No.4541427]

>>4539222
>Make /ic/ Great Again
Hey good slogan, considering he made America great again and all. kek

[Anonymous No.4541445]

>>4541427
off topic but what's going on isn't his fault, the deep state has let their dogs out on him (the WHO, UN, and chicomms specifically) to make him fail. they don't want globalism to end

[Anonymous No.4541449]

>>4541366
>yo these guys are hiding info from me! I knew these greedy pros just kept all the info to themselves
No one has ever actually said this about coding though because the learning materials for coding are excellent and very thorough.
t. Professional programmer

[Anonymous No.4541459]

>>4541445
Haha yeah, the “deep state” lol. He’s not responsible for anything he did to himself lol.

[Anonymous No.4541460]

>>4541234
It’s not valid. You wouldn’t take fitness advice from a fat slop on the internet wouldn’t you. That’s why hypocrisy means you burger

[Anonymous No.4541468]

>I DONT LIKE PEOPLE DOING X BECAUSE IF FIND THAT Y IS BETTER
Get some friends dude, because it seems that you aren’t autistic but socially retarded

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541488]

>>4541449
I know right?! It would be crazy if for a field with hundreds of years of unending books teaching the same fundamentals beginners would pretend like the secret to becoming a pro is hidden somewhere beneath the field of view.
The only way something like that could happen is if the beginners were so set on finding a secret shortcut and doubting all the sources in refusal to sit down and learn.

By the way, love /g/, best board on 4 chan. Stay fresh.

[Anonymous No.4541492]

>>4541366
>a man truly seeking to turn this dump into a goldmine?! nope, it's just some loser who wants the nsfw art out.
I don't care, I'm totally co-opting this. At least this thread has shown there's some people who want to up the useful vs shitposting ratio.

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541497]

>>4541492
>by throwing out the only people actually use this board as intended
Either way like I said, unless you have a mod willing to nuke this place to his exact vision you may as well start your own imageboard.
HMU when you made inkchan

[Anonymous No.4541502]

>>4541488
You just outed yourself that you know nothing about the fundamentals. Are you really that stupid?

[Anonymous No.4541510]

>>4541502
Are you implying secrets exist?

[Anonymous No.4541519]

>>4541510
No, but talent does

[Anonymous No.4541526]

>>4541460
only of the fat slob can prove their coaching had gotten results for people. the ngmi puritan who made this thread has never posted his work but continues to position himself as an expert in multiple threads. he's the disease he complains about

[Anonymous No.4541530]

>>4539357
Less weebs, less fags.

[Anonymous No.4541608]

>>4541526
What threads? Links?

Also this
>>4541234

[Anonymous No.4541625]

>>4541460
Fucking nonsense.
He is not proposing yo teach art you dumb faggot. He is proposing a more constructive culture of sharing information without fucking porn everywhere.

[Anonymous No.4541632]

>>4541460
Fucking nonsense.
He is not proposing that he teach art you dumb faggot. He is proposing a more constructive culture of sharing information without fucking porn and trad-realism shaming everywhere.

[Anonymous No.4541641]

>>4541459
Anon is right. Listen to your betters and stick to your transgender child porn art.

[Anonymous No.4541648]

>>4541460
Fucking nonsense.
He is not proposing that he teach art you dumb faggot. He is proposing a more constructive culture of sharing information without fucking porn everywhere.

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541688]

>>4541502
>>4541519
I just outed myself for knowing nothing about fundamentals because talent exists...
...
I'm at a loss for words
alright bro, whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.4541700]

>>4541497
>using this board as intended
and whose definition are we going by, the one on 4chan's rules page? The one of the people who are reminiscing the Golden Age of 4chan? Taking your example, if you have a group of highschoolers hanging out at a place who agree to behave a certain way, depending on which behaviour they choose they can attract kindergartners or other highschoolers. It's not a classroom at all, it's more like a playground. What am I trying to say? Let's smoke and spray some graffiti, so we're cool heheh

[Anonymous No.4541938]

>>4539222
I never understand why poltards have such a beef with loli. I’m a hardcore social conservative and personally I believe having a childbride is ideal and integral to reversing the destruction liberals have unleashed on the traditional family unit. A man should be king of his household, and able to raise his wife to understand her place in his kingdom. As women get married older and older, they become disobedient and their promiscuity sabotages marriages. That is why they must marry young.

Obviously, because of liberals this is all illegal. Of course. So at the very least let us have our loli fantasies. I love my loli bride, and I love drawing her, the only thing I dislike about her is that she isn’t real. Our relationship represents an ideal of a society that adheres to true moral social values.

[Anonymous No.4541970]

>>4541265
>h-hewoo /AIC/, how do i learn to draw diaper cock vore guro furry porn?
>read loomis
Art fundamentals are all the same, a different board would make no sense other than make 4chan a normalfag safe space for retards like you.

[Tokio !osGldUiH6E No.4541971]

>>4541700
>by who's definition
Common sense
porn threads, anime, and animation. Art is posted, feedback is given, people have discussion that isn't about the most basic fundamentals and crazy talk
>highschooler statement
FUUUUCK NOOOO
do you know what you are asking right now? You are asking professional artists to talk about art on this place professionally and somehow pretend to talk high art with people who didn't even do the 1+1=2 of art yet but already lost their minds.
You don't ask great artists to use a trashbin, promising them it will become gold.
It's not uncommon to get stalkers from these kinds of places, too, so they are risking their ass for the good of a random community online.

You know what. Maybe I'm being mean. You are now given a statement to tell pro artists to bring them here to /ic/, what do you tell them?

[Anonymous No.4542130]

>>4541970
We ALREADY have blue boards / green boards for the same subject. (See my post or the HOMEPAGE)
Is /co/ ,right now, a normalfag safe space? No it isn't!
Please come up with a better argument next time instead of your slippery slope.

[Anonymous No.4542140]

>>4539222
>coom bad

[Anonymous No.4542159]

>>4542140
True.

[Anonymous No.4542173]

>>4542159
This but ironically

[Anonymous No.4542323]

>>4541608
This thread you ******

[Anonymous No.4542326]

>>4541688
Good that you have a little bit of self actualization left tripfag

[Anonymous No.4542396]

>>4539222
Awesome initiative, OP. I support 100%.

It's a relief other anons are noticing the same. The crabbing and shitposts are so repetitive it's almost like one schizo jumping from thread to thread samefagging.

I'll also never post in /salt/ again. Posted some stuff there recently, but after seeing the perverted trash and loli filth that gets posted there, I'll never post alongside that shit and I'm disgusted these pieces of shit are among us.

[Anonymous No.4542409]

>>4542130
You must be retarded

[Anonymous No.4542439]

>>4539918
shove it up your ass, altar boy

[Anonymous No.4542588]

>>4542409
Superb argument sir, this will definitely make me question my reasoning and follow yours, I was blind but now I see the light.

[Anonymous No.4542594]

>>4542439
Do you have anything to write that requires more thought than what an edgy 12 years old could come up with?...

[Anonymous No.4542645]

>>4542396
Based.

[Anonymous No.4542770]

>>4541938
cringe

[Anonymous No.4542804]

>>4539222
>Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads
Eat shit puritan pussy

[Anonymous No.4542821]

>>4542588
It's pretty obvious there is a difference between boards to discuss subjets and an art board, are you going to censor all the live model studies?

[Anonymous No.4542858]

>>4542804
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I never post lewds or NSFW unless the thread specifies it within limits. Do you just not have any non-lewd work, anon?

[Anonymous No.4542960]

>>4542804
Too late.
We’re making /ic/ great again.
Get with the program or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.4543135]

>>4542858
>>4542960
You will never draw this well
That 2 failures

[Anonymous No.4543191]

>>4539222
>1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads

Don't think this is necessary, honestly. People are going to post wherever they're going to post, just ignore them if you don't like it. I'm not a porn artist and I don't give a fuck I just don't respond to them usually.

>2. Cool it with the crabbing and posturing. Everyone should adopt a stance of being a self-aware, lifelong learner and not an opinionated dickHead for laughs.

Crabs gonna crab. If everyone ignored them they'd get bored but for some reason you /ic/ can't resist, especially when they don't get enough attention and samefag themselves for (you)s.

>3. Eliminate all posts that denigrate any or all existing approaches. No shaming of “realists” for being “human cameras” or “photocopiers” and going on about “muh drawing from imagination”. If you don’t like that stuff there are other threads. And no shaming of animu styles EXCLUDING Loli and coomer bs. This posturing needs to go.

I don't think coomer shit should be shamed either. I don't like anyone being on some moral high horse about that crap while trying to make /ic/ better. Coom art has always been here and always will be, we're not a blue board. And if it's against the rules like lolifag porn shit just report it and let the jannies take care of it.

[Anonymous No.4543269]

>>4543191
Pretty much this. I disagree with shaming coom art, but I do agree on doing something about the samefagging crabs and shitposters. Because even if they're ignored, their samefagging creates a false sense of interaction.

Sometimes they'll even post in other threads just to get trips/quads in their own bait thread, and then lurk their own bump-limited thread for petty (you)s. I just don't get why they dedicate so much time to elaborate larping/trolling on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

Either the mods should step in, or anons should form some kind of anti-bait defense force like /pol/ does.

[Anonymous No.4543416]

>>4543135
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4543422]

>>4542594
not for you, cock boi

[Anonymous No.4543527]

>>4539222
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4544563]

>>4541938
This is /b/ait

[Anonymous No.4544587]

>>4539222
While /ic/ has defintly gotten worse it has always had similar problems. 4chan is just too high traffic these days. Even if you deleted /pol/ it might not make much of an improvement.

[Anonymous No.4544780]

Posted in other bred
Tourist here, how do you find art that you like? I randomly came across a Klimt book in a library once and I really enjoy his work

[Anonymous No.4545385]

>>4539222
if the normies, discord trannies and phoneposters would gtfo my board, we wouldn't be in this absolute lackluster and atrocious state of this board.
>cool it with the crabbing
crabbing is necessary to filter out
>autists
>normies
>retards
by either the crabs not drawing and staying bad
or by the targets sperging out and leaving
>ignore pornfags
yes, the mentally ill should be left alone

[Anonymous No.4545642]

>>4539222
4. Everyone should suck my dick.
Otherwise, great list OP.

[Anonymous No.4546464]

Retard OP. Main reason /ic/ is bad is 1. people who keep creating the same shitty threads ("is it too late for me?", [pro artist gossip/shittalk], "am I the only one who [stupid shit every noob experiences]" etc) and 2. /pol/ moralfags/holier-than-thou psychos who crash entire threads with flaming over subject matter instead of technical aspects.

In your vision of /ic/ all this trash would remain, just no anime boobs this time, in other words fucking reddit. Go back

[Anonymous No.4547396]

>>4539222
>reform /ic

Dude, I raised hell nearly a year ago when lolifags and furries swamped the board and drowned out nearly any and all discussion. If you wants things to change, start from within.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for trying to make this board a better place, and I do love that people want to as well these, but these posts don''t accomplish anything.

Unlike the board post-split where half the threads were porn inspo threads asking "HOW DO I DRAW THIS?", /ic is now fairly comfy. Especially with the containment threads back up.

If you want to help improve the board, lead by example. Focus on improving your own work and apply the critiques you're given. If you feel it's not enough, the Discord communities I'm part of have been gracious enough to help me through pointing out my blind spots and towards the right direction.

Lastly, /ic has always been a snarky place where people shit on each other. Artists have been doing it since Michaelangelo shat on Da Vinci's attempts at sculpture. It's part of its charm, and asking it to go away isn't going to lead you to the gains you want.

Build connections, learn from others, ask for direction when you feel lost on where to go next in the appropriate threads. If you see GB3 shut such as furry or Lori porn? Fire a report at it, hide it, and let it die.

Little things like this will go a long way.

[Anonymous No.4547416]

>>4539222
Maybe you should go to an actual art message board and quit trying to control all content you fucking egotistical dickhead.

[Anonymous No.4547421]

>>4541502
How did he out himself about not knowing fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.4547601]

I appreciate some of /ic trying to clean up this shit board.

[Anonymous No.4548789]

>>4542396
based

[Anonymous No.4549786]

Look at all the troll threads created in just the past couple of days, if you want to clean up /ic you can help by saging them instead of reading and re-bumping

[Anonymous No.4549797]

>>4549786
Yes.
It was probably in part because of this thread.
They don’t want the next generation of Western artists to be anything other than loathsome kiddie/cartoon masturbators or worse.

Do not think the level of degeneracy on this board is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.4550057]

>>4549797
I dont think its a mistake. Its obvious that /ic doesnt have mods and /btard overflow is taking advantage

[Anonymous No.4552139]

was /ic/ ever even great to begin with?

[Anonymous No.4552186]

>>4539222
>1. Shun coomer art or keep it strictly in container Sticky threads
No, this is a nsfw board if you don't like it go to a sfw board or make a sfw thread for yourself and whoever wants to join you

>2. Cool it with the crabbing and posturing. Everyone should adopt a stance of being a self-aware, lifelong learner and not an opinionated dickHead for laughs.
Agreed but just ignore the crabs. It's not like they matter as long as there are also people willing to be helpful

>3. Eliminate all posts that denigrate any or all existing approaches. No shaming of “realists” for being “human cameras” or “photocopiers” and going on about “muh drawing from imagination”. If you don’t like that stuff there are other threads.And no shaming of animu styles
Agreed

>EXCLUDING Loli and coomer bs.
Get fucked you hypocrite. If it's not against the rules it's fair game and if it's against the rules report and move on instead of starting a shitposting debate. You're just inciting off topic posts.

[Anonymous No.4552204]

>>4550057
how do you mod a board that by its very nature breaks all its own rules

[Anonymous No.4554515]

>>4543191
>>4543269
how does the thing with jannies work exactly on /ic/? is there a minimum number of reports necessary for them to see it? I thought it must be that people weren't reporting things ever here, or that the jannies were lenient, or that there just aren't enough. Watch for a bit and look at the stuff people get bans for on /tv/ for example, /ic/ is still the wild west really. https://www.4chan.org/bans
>anti-bait defense force
it would have to be done differently than this >>4540065, i've seen that announcing a sage is definitely being punished (though it's rare).

[Anonymous No.4554560]

>>4552204
just like every other board and how 4chan was before 2008, toss the trolls instead of feeding them