So, i found this. How not ok is it?

[Anonymous No.4468727]

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3411038
Basically reverse image searching literally found me the the reference photo first instead of the anime paintover.

[Anonymous No.4468734]

>>4468727
Who gives a fuck? That's probably a $50 commission.

[Anonymous No.4468740]

Who could possibly care at all.

[Anonymous No.4468741]

a coomer paying money for anime coommissions is beyond the point of having enough taste to care about this kind of shit

[Anonymous No.4468742]

>>4468727
righ from the stary, it's clearly traced.
if the artist posted it and wrote that it's a study everywhere it's posted, it's ok but would have been preferable to not post it to avoid confusion.
if the artist has done this several times without that disclaimer, it's wrong.

Art is a muddy legal area.

[Anonymous No.4468747]

>>4468727
so you want to start tracing degeneracy?
good for you, great legacy bro

[Anonymous No.4468754]

>>4468747
Op never implied that, what the hell brought you to that conclusion so fast?

[Anonymous No.4468757]

>>4468727
>How not ok is it?
It's totally fine to use references. Not sure what you are talking about. Artists have done this since the beginning.
The problem here is not that the artist used a reference/copied a photo, it's just that the painting is simply boring.

Porn artists constantly copy from references, but some also know how to mix it with their own imagination.

[Anonymous No.4468762]

>>4468757
that's not using references anon, that's drawing over the original. You can clearly see right down to the nails' shapes that the artist placed the picture on their canvas and drew over it.

[Anonymous No.4468768]

>>4468762
So what? Like I said, the picture is boring, simply because it's unimaginative.
Who cares if you copy a reference 1:1 by eye, or if you copy it 1:1 by tracing it? Same shit, the latter is just faster.

[Anonymous No.4468769]

>>4468768
>so what?
it's not ok, that's what.
Keep your crap opinion out of this thread

[Anonymous No.4468770]

>>4468727
Looks boring, who cares. The best art is that which cannot be traced from real life photos/videos

[Anonymous No.4468777]

>>4468769
Then using references is always bad. Everyone must draw completely from imagination, otherwise it's not ok!

Tracing is just the cheapest form of using references, but that doesn't mean it's "cheating" or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4468780]

>>4468769
Not him but you seem to be getting ruffled over him not getting mad at tracers. You'll probably go bald by 30 if you worry about tracers who make boring art

[Anonymous No.4468792]

>>4468727
Oh no no no this is wrong, we should do something about it.

[Anonymous No.4468796]

>>4468770
Based post ironically and unironically

[Anonymous No.4468797]

>>4468777
You seem to not know what references are.
Using an image as a reference still requires you to do most of the work, you're not meant to copy an image reference exactly. That's "copying" which is also not okay but again, muddier in terms of legality. You're supposed to have more than a single image reference when you do a more complicated piece.

Tracing then passing it off as your own work is doing none of the hard work apart from a few tweaks. It IS cheating. And if you've been doing it, I suggest you reserve it to studies only.

>>4468780
I think >>4468777 is either baiting or probably been doing it and wants op to think it's normal. It is not a viable way to do art. You'll end up stuck in the same skill level for years then get called out like that guy from another thread
>>4459413
>>4460615

[Anonymous No.4468803]

>>4468797
Kill yourself try hard. You have no clue what you are talking about

Good artists copy, great artists steal
- Picasso

[Anonymous No.4468804]

>>4468777
Like the other poster said your argument lacks understanding and perspective, probably because you lack skill but whatever.

Your argument is like - there is no difference between a photo and a realistic painting of a subject. Why paint if you can just print?

If you are not tracing there is a lot of skill and knowledge involved, measuring, observing, interpreting, simplifying, exaggerate. There are a lot of tools and skills involved drawing from a reference.

When you trace you are not using most of those skills, it's a trick that lets others think you know how to draw when you can't.

If you artist in your image used some references, the proportions and anatomy wouldnt be as awful as they are. And he literally hid all the fingers so he doesnt need to draw them.

[Anonymous No.4468808]

>>4468803
Either you're bait or too young to get what that quote actually meant. I'm calling bait.

[Anonymous No.4468811]

it looks like a wikihow drawing to me

[Anonymous No.4468812]

>>4468727
The tracing is extremely obvious. But it's to make some shitty rule 34 so who cares.

[Anonymous No.4468818]

>>4468811
lmao it does have the same energy

[Anonymous No.4468823]

>>4468804
>probably because you lack skill but whatever.
PYW and I will post mine try-hard. It doesn't matter at all if you trace or not. All that matters is how the endproduct looks like. And just because you trace doesn't mean it will look worse.

The only problem with tracing is just that it's not fun to do. Hell there are manga artists who literally just use photos for their backgrounds and put a filter over it. That's also not cheating, it's just their style.

[Anonymous No.4468827]

>>4468727
Both pictures look really unsettling. The first one is like "Uhhh.. what are you doing?". The bottom one looks like a confused cat.

[Anonymous No.4468837]

>>4468823
not that guy but even I can tell you're not gonna PYW after him. You fool noone, boy

[Anonymous No.4468842]

>>4468837
Oh look, another tough-guy on the internet. How impressive!

[Anonymous No.4468852]

>>4468842
you've expectedly pulled an ad hominem argument, just as you would have pulled one on that guy. Ask your teacher what an ad hominem is.

[Anonymous No.4468857]

>>4468823
>bad art is my style

That's not manga artist's "style" lmao, its a shortcut, to save money and time. Naruto mangaka wanted to have screentones but its a weekly manga so they physically were unable to do it.

It was also a "style" to have liveaction images in Bakemonogatari, wonder why they were all replaced for blu-rays where they actually had the time to finish.

It matters a lot if you trace or not, and the audience does. If your reputation is ruined because people find out youre traced, then that alone destroys your argument, as your reputation and how your work is perceived matters a lot.

People have reasonable expectations and understanding on what a drawing or painting is. So your work supposed to represent your ability and skill, tracing isnt a skill that is highly valued or impressive. Tracing is bad.

[Anonymous No.4468860]

>ITT: Try-hards who act elitist over tracing
It's so easy to see that you are all just a bunch of try-hards, who think their boring "studies" would mean anything more than just a shitty trace-over.

[Anonymous No.4468868]

>>4468860
>thinks tracing is okay
ngmi, pity on whoever gets tricked hard enough to get a commission from you

[Anonymous No.4468870]

>>4468868
don't even bother replying to this kind of baits, bro

[Anonymous No.4468873]

>>4468870
The less people are called out, the more smooth brained anons claiming tracing is ok. Last thing this board needs is Ilya Kuvshinov copycats on top of the regular idiots

[Anonymous No.4468878]

>>4468873
Go ahead bro, if it's so easy to become an Ilya copycat then just do it.

[Anonymous No.4468880]

>>4468868
Don’t feel pity for the coomers that will fall for this shit. They eat anything up as long it gets their dick hard.

[Anonymous No.4468883]

what is the point of even making it anyway? just for the anime face alone? what a waste of time no matter how little it took

[Anonymous No.4468884]

Why is she squinting like that?

[Anonymous No.4468886]

>>4468884
that's racist

[Anonymous No.4468905]

>>4468886
>he cant tell when an asian is squinting or not
racists

[Anonymous No.4468909]

>>4468878

[Anonymous No.4468916]

>>4468727
why does animu girls face look off

[Anonymous No.4468917]

>>4468916
because the tracer doesn't know how to draw, he only learned how to trace

[Anonymous No.4468921]

>>4468868
>pity on whoever gets tricked hard enough to get a commission from you

I suppose this is what the younger generations are like, everyone just try to get commissions and get likes/followers on social media. Doing things just for the sake of doing it just seems baffling to you.

[Anonymous No.4468923]

>>4468921
You trace for the sake of doing it? For like years?
Fuck, that's sad

[Anonymous No.4468924]

grats to the artist for turning such an unappealing photo into something kind of hot

[Anonymous No.4468945]

Spending so much of your time drawing over someone else's work, whether it be over a drawing or a photo, is the second closest thing you could be as both an artist and a massive cuck.
Giving up on improving your own skills in favor of directly drawing over something else, that's such an unimaginable combination of a waste of time, poor quality result and just the most shameless cuckholding session you could do that involves art.

I could only imagine tracing a photo of your wife getting fucked by your best friends as taking first place for being both an artist and a cuck. Tracing and passing it as your own comes to a close second.

[Anonymous No.4468958]

>>4468923
>implying I trace
>making shit up about me doing it for years from out of nowhere

No, kiddo, you are the one who is sad.

[Anonymous No.4468964]

Absolutely soulless

[Anonymous No.4468966]

>>4468958
I meant to write "you" as in the "one can trace for the sake of doing it?" but should have wrote "you can trace for the sake of doing it?"so my bad

[Anonymous No.4468992]

>>4468909
wanted 2 draw something

[Anonymous No.4469010]

>>4468992
great art but I'm lazy

[Anonymous No.4469055]

>>4468727
Not traced.

[Anonymous No.4469068]

>>4468727
>this retard is STILL going on about this
Fuck OFF Atlas. Jesus. You just had your last thread deleted. People called you out not for tracing, but for accusing the guy you were stealing from of stealing from you.

[Anonymous No.4469071]

>>4469068
dude you're obsessed

[Anonymous No.4469076]

>>4469071
>we have three threads back to back with the exact same premise
>dude, you’re obsessed, it’s not the same guy
Ok retard.

[Anonymous No.4469078]

>>4468823
Do you know how hard it is to draw manga weekly? When a mangaka traces, it often looks worse than a backround drawn by hand as the traced image clashes with the cartoonish characters.

Tracing is only really good for studying and understanding form. Often it creates an uncanny valley effect where the drawing looks sort of realistic but there are obvious flaws. This is due to the tracers often not capturing the 3d aspect of a piece, just lazily copying the lines. Just compare the thighs in >>4468727 to see my point.

[Anonymous No.4469095]

it's pretty amazing how fucking BAD that person manages to make their product even when tracing

fucking low level in every way

[Anonymous No.4469193]

At least use designdoll or something so you can't get caught lol

[Anonymous No.4469307]

>>4468727
That drawing is obviously traced, which means you're stupid and don't know what's a good drawing, which means you're polluting our board with your useless stupidity

[Anonymous No.4469332]

>>4468727
It kinda bothers me that despite being traced they still fucked up the arm.

[Anonymous No.4469335]

>>4468727
It is boring, on top of that it is horrible, it has no imagination. Beg always use references, that is why they are and always will be beg.

[Anonymous No.4469347]

>>4469335
>using references makes you beg
Big words. Post work.

[Anonymous No.4469351]

>>4468727
It's wrong because it lacks the expression.
Animu is supposed to be good at that.

[Anonymous No.4469387]

Use whatever means necessary to create the art you want to create. God imagine if sampling weren't a thing in music

[Anonymous No.4469394]

>>4469347
you don't give me orders

[Anonymous No.4469411]

>>4468727
Imagine being completely reliant on reference, it is there to be a supplement towards a difficult form in a tricky perspective or to help you get inspired for a concept and not to have you deliberately trace it on a 1:1 scale and then slap on an amawuface on it.

[Anonymous No.4469413]

>>4469387
>imagine if sampling weren't a thing in music
It would unironically be better, since 99% of niggershit 'music' wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.4469626]

>>4468727
I don't care because the artist is /beg/
when pros trace it's just cringe, it means that they are hacks.

[Anonymous No.4469638]

>>4468768
>>4468777
Imagine not understanding that using references basically means looking at reality to understand how it works so you can translate it to your style
and not copy/paste that shit on your canvas and creating a Frankenstein. Only some industry 3D concept artists do that but even them warp and alter it greatly
wtf is wrong with beginners from here

[Anonymous No.4469648]

Ngl can't help but feel respect for the "I recognize that bulge" coomer poomers. There's a strange but noble aura emanating from them.

[Anonymous No.4470781]

>>4469648
They are masters in their area. Maybe an area not everyone respects, but masters nonetheless.