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>Why yes, I did go to art school!

>> No.3801007

ngmi

>> No.3801015
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3801015

>>3801005
>wojak poster thinks he can be condescending

>> No.3801583

>>3801015
>haha boomer memes are still funny

>> No.3801587

>>3801005
>be me
>go to art school
>graduated 2018
>already had 5 group exhibitions + 1 solo
>i feel ok about it

>> No.3801589

>>3801587
pyw or didn't happen

>> No.3801597

>>3801589
>pyw
what?

>> No.3801600

>>3801587
that's good! That's the median from what I see. There's always that one graduate who gets two solo shows during school who messes up the curve for the rest of us. Grats anon.

>> No.3801602

>>3801597
post your work

>> No.3801605
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>>3801587
>>3801602

>> No.3801606

>>3801587
>be me
>don't go to art school
>already got a commission after only grinding for 10 months, now a year later people are asking me in droves to do commissions for them

taking on debt to do this shit is the most beta thing i can think of

>> No.3801607

>>3801606
why bother posting like this, if you even admit youre only 10 months in it just automatically means you are shit, and spend more of your time getting baited on 4chan.

>> No.3801615

>>3801606
>>3801606
>>3801606
Each to their own I guess.
I'd rather sell what I like to make than to be subservient to the kinky requests of strangers.

>> No.3801616

>>3801605
>it's shit
wow, what a surprise. ic is filled with either shit artists or those too shit to see how bad they are, with very rare occasional good ones. why are decent artists so hard to come by, oh right, they dont waste that much time
>tmw you either die an artbook newfag, or live long enough to see yourself become the procrastinator

>> No.3801617

I could probably start making some money with my level, but it's not a level I am satisfied with yet. If I wanted to make money with something I did not like, I did not had to pick up drawing

>> No.3801618

>>3801616
I guess my work isn't for everyone. What don't you like about it?

>> No.3801621

>>3801005
let's compare the number of great/famous artists that go to art school or similar shit and the one that don't

>> No.3801622

>>3801618
0 draftsmanship skill, your comment is like a toddler asking a book critique why he doesn't like his santa letter

>> No.3801623

>>3801621
The vast majority of famous artists when to 'art school' in some form or another. Art schools have changed a lot through out the years though.

>> No.3801625

>>3801617
Just start making money. The want to make deadlines and have a good result to sell will put enough pressure on to either make or break you. Comfortably working away behind closed doors without pressure wont help you. YOU CAN DO IT.

>> No.3801637

>>3801622
>>3801622
Its hard to flex draftsmanship when you're not interested in realistic imagery. Do you only like art that looks technically difficult?

>> No.3801641

>>3801605
I don't understand the context of the style but cool nonetheless. Congrats anon!

>> No.3801642

>>3801641
Thank you!

>> No.3801651

>>3801587
same brah - graduated last year - 3 group shows, 1 solo and saachi art fair coming up

work 9 hours, 7 days a week dickheads

>> No.3801652

>>3801617
This. If I wanted to do miserable shit I’d go back to work.

>> No.3801654

>>3801651
Post your work pal!
also If you want a crit I can lay it down

>> No.3801662

>>3801637
Even for abstract (which it isn’t as you’ve got witches and tunnels?) the shape design is weak. Not him but even your non realism shows 0 draughtsmanship or even a passion for art.

>> No.3801663

>>3801605
STRAIGHT TO /BEG/

>> No.3801669

>>3801605

first of all, thanks for showing your work. I would be careful and delete it now, since warosu and other sites archive the threads automatically. you could be backtraced for posting on this crappy anime board.

Congrats on getting quite a few shows already! The works to me seem like they are in the vein of (very) naive figuration, that kind that Tal R sometimes represents. It's a very trendy thing. I'm not too fond of the three on the right, the ones on the left are decent. Very hard to judge by only those six paintings.

I think what upsets anons on here the most is that they don't understand the context, where this is coming from. It's as if a kid looks at a coleminer and has no idea why the man is full of dirt, so the kid thinks it's a lazy hobo who doesn't wash.
That sort of naive figuration and doodle-esthetic is so goddamn trendy at the time, because I think the art world is trying to promote a countermovement to the HD quality and screaming colors of computer screens, ads, strong colors and media that are constantly all around us. In contrast with the accelerating developement in 3D games and cinema, these doodles come across as a sort of relief to the eye, showing very simplified shapes and dynamics.

I myself am working a lot with figuration and I think that people in the art world, promoters, juries, curators, are completely stunned and afraid at anything that shows emotion, has "too much" figuration and isn't ambiguous enough.

>> No.3801678

>>3801669
Shit like this is why galleries lost their cultural relevance.

>> No.3801680

>>3801678
you wish. galleries are as powerful as ever, if not even more. try to think and do some research before you post groundless statements like that.
galleries cares fuck all about what you think.

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3801681

>>3801669
>>3801669
Cheers
>I would be careful and delete it now, since warosu and other sites archive the threads automatically. you could be backtraced for posting on this crappy anime board.
Idk how to delete posts lol. The pic I posted can't be traced to me tho

I think naievity has gone in and out of fashion in the artworld for quite while, its a pretty massive 'genre'.
> people in the art world, promoters, juries, curators, are completely stunned and afraid at anything that shows emotion, has "too much" figuration
I dunno about that, theres still a lot of fantastic figurative work being made and shown
> isn't ambiguous enough.
this is kinda important though, people like to be contemporary art to be at least a little challenging / open to interpretation

>> No.3801682

>>3801616
>or live long enough to see yourself become the procrastinator
Holy shit accurate

>> No.3801690

>>3801605
LOL

>> No.3801691

>>3801681
Last show I've seen was by Ernst Caramelle, whose works are completely rid of emotion altogether and I'm seeing a very strong trend in that, as well as in having a "dirty, raw" look.

there's a lot of really impressive naive painting out there like Jules de Balincourt. I can get into it, but not always and sometimes, I think it's just done because they honestly can't work anywhere outside of that comfortzone and be consistent.

Is the Srijon painting by you? It's kind of reminescent of the fact that you can't find any univeristy these days where they actually teach you how to mix colors properly. The figuration is right, the child looks kinda Otto Dix'esque, but the colors are totally tilting towards black, the blue cloth mixed with black or Van Dyck Brown, the hair with green reflections. green in her face. (her nose isn't really spot on). otherwise an interesting composition, if a little flat.
the strongest message in that painting is of course the arm around the baby, while looking at her phone.

>> No.3801693

>>3801637
Face it, you could put that work next to a /beg/'s or a child's and people would struggle to tell who made which.

>> No.3801699

>>3801693
>people would struggle to tell who made which.
nope. YOU would struggle to tell which is which.

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>>3801681
I've made works on that sort of subject as well

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>>3801706

>> No.3801711

>>3801691
>>3801691
>Jules de Balincourt
some nice work, you might like seth birchall, milli jannides and kim dorland.
> think it's just done because they honestly can't work anywhere outside of that comfortzone and be consistent.
I dunno, I think you can tell pretty quickly when a naive painter lacks the 'fundamentals'. Its a bit like playing crazy jazz or something yknow
>>3801691
Na its Srijon Chowdhury
>if a little flat
i kinda ilke the flatness desu, like some mysterious tapestry thats been brushed with a hairbrush
>>3801706
>>3801708
wow these are pretty nice anon. best work i've seen on /ic/ desu. Do you just do portraits or do you work with other subject matter?

>> No.3801713

>>3801605

Thanks you very much for posting this. It really shows the value of art education.

>> No.3801715

>>3801706
>>3801708
also if you're the one who said you're showing w/ saatchi, I'd really avoid doing that if I were you

>> No.3801716

>>3801605
This has to be a joke

>> No.3801718
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3801718

>>3801605

>> No.3801723

>>3801718
you're not wrong
>>3801616
>>3801622
>>3801662
>>3801690
>>3801693
>>3801716
someone recently bought the work on the far right for $1100 and the one next to it is currently a finalist for a $10k national painting prize.
>inb4 contemporary art is fraudulent
call me the Fraud Master

>> No.3801724

>>3801711
>seth birchall, milli jannides and kim dorland.
thanks for the recommendations! always up for new artists to explore.

>a bit like playing crazy jazz or something yknow
yeah you've got a point there.

>wow these are pretty nice anon. best work i've seen on /ic/ desu. Do you just do portraits or do you work with other subject matter?
thanks, i appreciate that! not just doing portraits, bu i did a lot of caricatures in my teens, so drawing faces is a constant practice. doing a lot of landscapes and groups of people in one picture atm.

are you concentrating on a particular subject / genre? the wizard seems like a reoccuring figure.

>> No.3801727

>>3801723
>$10k national painting prize.
woah anon, good luck. we have that sort of prize over here as well, but the main sponsor is a bank and if you consider that they are buying around 10 to 30 paintings from upcoming artists … consider that maybe around 10% will make a name of themselves … that's a pretty cheap speculative deal for a bank. it's literally peanuts for them. I'm very suspicious of those sort of prizes, yet for a struggling young artists, that's a shitload of money that can pay the bills for half a year / a full year.

>> No.3801728

>>3801724
Allg buddy
>Are you concentrating on a particular subject / genre? the wizard seems like a reoccuring figure.
Yeah,I've been working a lot with the cartoonish fairy tale iconography: wizards, castles, rabbits, bats moons etc

>> No.3801730

>>3801706
>>3801708
Aww these ones were nice before you deleted them. Either way thanks for posting anon.

>> No.3801732

>>3801728
>milli jannides
i like her works!
Kim Dorland is very much immitating Daniel Richter. The canoo painting is even a blatant ripoff of Peter Doig. Not sure about her, seems like she is wanting to be someone else.

>>3801730
yeah i'd rather not have them show up in some archive. at that pace of developement, i expect that pretty soon, any size of an image can be backtraced within seconds.

>> No.3801733

>>3801732
>>3801728
>Kim Dorland
oh it's a guy, haha. my bad.

>> No.3801734

>>3801727
Cheers!
This particular competition is run by a wider art institution which is funded by our government, they also take a 40% cut of the finalist works that are sold (a fair amount of which is from relatively established artists). the sales alone would probably covers the cash prizes

>> No.3801737

>>3801734
sounds good to be honest. gov prizes are mostly fair and they charge less than a conventional gallery, while they aren't selling out or speculating with the age and development of the artists. I'd also much rather try and go for these sort of open calls.

>> No.3801738

>>3801732
>>3801733
yeah I'm not thaat crazy about kims work either desu

How do you delete posts btw?

>> No.3801741

>>3801738
in the lower right, you'll find

>Delete Post: [ -O- File Only] -Delete-
so you want to tick the box "file only", then tick the posts that you wrote and want the attachments deleted and it's done. only works in the first 30min or so.

>> No.3801746

Crabs flare up SHIEEEEEEEEET

>> No.3801749

>>3801741
Eep too late, thanks though

>> No.3801751

>>3801746
Have you been to one of these competitions? The prize money is anemic (10k) because it’s normally funded by some business owner trying to score some pussy from someone in the social circle. A bunch of go nowhere artists show up and take it seriously, adds to the events social proof, guy gets laid, throw some sales money to charity and you’re good. One of the funders was literally bragging about his harem of designers he had for his shit saas company, ‘always hire creative souls and find the most creative are women blah blah’. It’s hilarious. Snibbity snab. Am bitter because I can’t run one.

>> No.3801758

>>3801751
(im assuming this post was meant to be for me)
I've been to one part-competition-part-stall-sale-fair and it was pretty awful. But I think there are different calibres of art-competitions, I made sure to check out finalists from previous years and doesn't too look bad. Its not privately run, I'd imagine it'll have all the curatorial funding powers that be watching over its shoulder to make sure things are running politely

>> No.3801759

>>3801758
Nah it was for the crab guy. Don’t care about your gay little competitions man, except to the extent gov money is funneled into the farces.

>> No.3801760

>>3801759
soz didnt get the crab reference

>> No.3801766

>>3801759
>except to the extent gov money is funneled into the farces.
seems like you are terribly jealous.
i guess even governments are smart enough not to fund anime or concept art Wacom crap, which makes you butthurt.

>> No.3801773

>>3801766
Yeah jel of your life, enjoy the free wine and food

>> No.3801774

>>3801637
The meaning of the word “art” or “ars” is skill/craftsmanship..having a connotation of beauty.
You spent a ton of money to buy a big fat lie, a piece of paper, and connections.
I’m sorry dude.

>> No.3801776

>>3801773
and I'm super jelly on your Dorritos and Monster Energy lifestyle.

>> No.3801778

>>3801774
>big fat lie, a piece of paper, and connections.
If we're being that reductive, couldn't you say the same thing about law school?

>> No.3801779

>>3801776
Gottem

>> No.3801784

>>3801779
deez nuts!

>>3801774
>“art” or “ars” is skill/craftsmanship
you can refuse to see it all you want. most of contemporary art is a brainchild of postmodern deconstruction: taking certain qualities in art, isolating them, analyzing them and seeing what happens and what's branching out from there.

Take the water lillies by Monet. They can be seen as the starting point of abstract painting. Color is looked at for what it is: color on a canvas, streaks and thick patches of oil paint, color that is in contrast with itself. In the same manner, artists have looked at composition alone (Paul Klee, Miro) and other aspects, singled out, concentrated, broken down, reduced to minimalism. There is beauty and skill in that, you just refuse to admit it, because you are upset and you have different preferences. Maybe you enjoy LOTR concept art, dragon and soldier fantasy art, loli, thick bitches in lewd armor …

>> No.3801790

>>3801711
Jules de Balincourt...some nice work.
Lol.
Dude draws like a child.
Your whole artworld is full of professionals with the skills of children.
Abstraction and a flat picture plane was fun to explore, but your gatekeepers have made it into a religion.
I really feel sorry for you. You are in a cult.

>> No.3801791

>>3801790
>Dude draws like a child.
yo we got a specialist over here! more assessments by you, professor Wacom! We want a keynote on your exceptional taste and analysis.

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3801792

>>3801784
(not that guy) but I hear you, idk if I'd bother trying to convert people. I have a feeling people get very set in their ways about these things

Out of interest: Has anyone here totally disliked / dismissed contemporary art at some point but later but began to appreciate it?

>> No.3801796

>>3801784
I get it bro.
You can deconstruct a note, or chords, or riffs all you want. You can sit there a hit a key over and over again all day. But you are not making music. Just sounds.
Who the fuck would want to hear that?
Yes, deconstruct the visual language, if you even know it, all you want. But don’t fucking mumble, babble, or just make stupid sounds like a fucking retard or a BABY and expect me to listen.
I’m not buying the cult lie.

>> No.3801797

>>3801792
I can't help but imagine the people who say "all Modern Art is a scam" are the same people who comment about the criticize rap music on the youtube comments of Beethoven's 5th symphony

>> No.3801798

>>3801791
I’m trad all the way. I hate anime. I don’t even watch cartoons. I draw standing up at an easel.
Sorry, try again.

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>>3801796
Do you like this work anon?

>> No.3801803

>>3801792
Trad guy here. Nope. I started out liking Cezanne, then the more contemporary stuff from Richter. Christopher Wool. I went down that path for a while.Then I woke up.

>> No.3801805

>>3801799
I’d be a really,really cool cereal box. Especially the back.

>> No.3801809

>>3801791
Also, nope. I’m not going to educate you for free.
I will give you a hint on how to do it.
Oh god this is delicious.
Here it is.....
Look around you.

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3801812

>>3801805
>>3801790
In what world do these people live where children draw like this and cereal boxes are decorated with early 20th century paintings?

>> No.3801813

Sorry I’ve been so hard on you artschool anon.
I really don’t want to discourage you from coming here.
Learn some fundies. Hang out. Post. Get critiques.
Become a master draftsman and use your school creds to excell in a craft, a trade, that real art is, was, and always will be.

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3801816

>>3801813
Cheers pal
gotta learn the rules before you break em amirite

>> No.3801817

>>3801812
i haven't seen these works by Jules yet. Thanks for posting, you hateful, nostalgic-reactionary cuck! :)

>> No.3801818

>>3801817
>Thanks for posting, you hateful, nostalgic-reactionary cuck! :)
owie my feelings!

>> No.3801819

>>3801818
well you do sound very reactionary. what kind of contemporary art do you like then? If you are the guy who said he did get into Richter and Wool ...

>> No.3801822

>>3801798
so in what field of interest do you set your paintings. not asking to pyw, just want to know what subjects and techniques you are interested in.

>> No.3801823

>>3801819
>well you do sound very reactionary
yeah where do you think we are
> If you are the guy who said he did get into Richter and Wool ...
im not

>> No.3801824

>>3801813

He won't lol. Opposite to what you may expect, today people go to art school specially to avoid learning draftsmanship.

>> No.3801827

>>3801812
>>3801812
The one on the left is just coloring in the lines.
In kindergarten I wasn’t alowed to watch captain kangaroo cause I didn’t stay in the lines.
So he’s got that going.
The one on the left he used rulers, perspective decently, and hints upon light wrapping around shapes. But there is no commitment.
I do admit I did see one painting of his that actually was interesting.
I watched a talk he gave somewhere and he showed a painting with figures running around somewhere. I think there were emergency vehicles or something....
Anyway, the figures were like cardboard cutouts living in a normal environment.
If he had actual skill as a painter beyond a sentimental grandmother painting pet portraits for Christmas, it would have been awesome.
No doubt he has a brain and thinks, but his brain isn’t connected to art. I wish it were.
And I hope he stops making his soundscapes.

>> No.3801828

>>3801824
very wrong. there is a tendency to avoid teaching techniques today, that is true. but it's because if you really want to, you look it up. there are hundreds of books and videos on how to paint a certain way. it is a waste of time to teach it in art schools, since there are so many approaches that you can't really please all the requests. besides, certain professors who are major artists will do this and teach you their method. this can be both beneficial and problematic, as you don't want little Daniel Richters running around either.

you go to art school to meet peers, have a great time, learn from each other, bounce ideas off of each other …
sorry you missed out on that!

>> No.3801829

>>3801790
>your gatekeepers
This about sums it up to people trying to make a living off gallery sales. They’re ‘kept’ artists

>> No.3801831

>>3801827
>If he had actual skill
the entire point of his approach is to evoke a child aesthetic while he is portraying city scapes, people, war, poverty and wealth …
are you that stupid?
if he painted it "better", it would be something completely different altogether.

fuck, you /ic/ crabs are the worst incels.
fuck that "10% of the brain in use" meme, you guys arent even on 1%

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3801834

>>3801827
Do you prefer this one?

>> No.3801835

>>3801819
>>3801822
I’m not painting quite yet.
I tried and started a thread here.
A bunch of the guys and gals here would probably remember it. It was a painting of a foot.
Failed miserably.
I got the best advice though I could have gotten anywhere.
An anon told me I would best be served by taking at least a year and just learn to draw.
So that’s what I’m doing.
I’m not exactly sure what “style” I will develop but I need to be able to draw/paint the figure competently.
I have been developing a painting in my mind for a while now and I do have an idea of what I want to paint in general, what I want to show, but I need the skills to do it.
Thanks for asking.

>> No.3801838

>>3801831
No, you’re not getting my point. I do get “it”.
But “it” isn’t legitimate.
Your style cannot be shit due to lack of other options (skill) and be a legitimate choice.
“Oh, I’m evoking a badly drawn circle”.
No bud, you just can’t draw a circle.

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3801839

>>3801827
or maybe you like this one?

>> No.3801840

so, can people explain what is art? the one the artist posts here looks like shit to common plebs but it is meaningful to the art world. What is art?

>> No.3801841

>>3801828
I get that free at bars, or wherever.
You paid for that?

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3801842

>>3801838
pic related is picasso at 15 years old
More often than not the wonky/abstract/naive painters who are critically acclaimed learn the rules before they break them

>> No.3801843

>>3801828
Why even go to class?
To hear a teacher constantly cheer “express yourself, express yourself!”?

>> No.3801845

>>3801842
>one painter went from good to bad art
>see guys, only because I do bad art that doesn't mean I didnt learn good art first

>> No.3801848

>>3801840
Contemporary art is confusing because what it says it’s meant to be and what it is doesn’t align. In reality it’s a bunch of social signalling and old school money laundering. Similar to the ‘feminine mistique’, it’s confusing on the surface but has base explainations that are about as boring and gross as with contemporary art.

>> No.3801849

>>3801828
I was referring to Gerhard Richter.
He saw where the money was and said fuck it.

>> No.3801852

>>3801843
because thats not what they do
Contemporary art criticism can be ruthless, its not just one big circle jerk of celebrating eachothers shitty abstractions - work is criticized, and for good reason.

>> No.3801857

>>3801848
Real art is about life.
The “art” approved, well designated, today is about, you guessed it, art.
It’s about nothing.
It’s dunning-Kruger celebrated as fact. Enshrined.

>> No.3801858

>>3801835
>I’m not painting quite yet.
>I tried and started a thread here.
>A bunch of the guys and gals here would probably remember it. It was a painting of a foot.
>Failed miserably.
>developing a painting in my mind for a while …

boy you are nowhere. best you are is ngmi.
no base to judge any of the things posted in this thread. i'm painting professionally for more than ten years now, have seen hundreds of cont art exhibitions.

>> No.3801861

>>3801848
>old school money laundering.
this may have been a played into some particular very high end art deals but does anyone here seriously believe this is a factor in 99% of the art market? Do you reckon the gallery down the road, the one selling big paintings of wonky flowers and some goopy looking ceramics for like $1500 a pop is really just an elaborate front for money laundering?

>> No.3801864

>>3801852
That’s all it is. A big circle jerk.
But, no big deal. They can have it.
I am not interested in contemporary art. I have no interest in becoming an artist.
I will take pride in being and being referred to as a painter.
That word means something.

>> No.3801866

>>3801803
>Christopher Wool
huh. thats quite a leap from the others

>> No.3801867

>>3801858
Post your work hero.

>> No.3801868

>>3801843
many more benefits that you wouldn't know of. connections, talking about art prizes, learning to make a consistent entry for an open call, learning what galleries are on about and where you should be very careful, visiting major artists in their studio and talking to them, making numerous trips to other countries every year, seeing the most important museums - and the thing is, all of this is way cheaper and more fun than doing it alone

>>3801841
have fun talking to art with your normie cunts in a bar!

>>3801838
and you still don't get it. you are reitterating the very reason why you don't get it.

>> No.3801869

>>3801861
No the gallery down the road is about social signalling. Keep in mind that the value of contemporary art follows a power law, so 80% of the money in the art market can be used for money laundering/tax evasion/investments/paying gallery owners to shill art pieces,,, and 80% of the pieces sold can be in small galleries and the art competitions around the globe.

>> No.3801870

>>3801845
>picasso poopy >:(
This is who we're talking to

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>>3801866
Specifically some of these

>> No.3801872

>>3801871
Do you not like them anymore? If so what changed?

>> No.3801874

>>3801867
come back when you are on par with me, /beg/gar

>> No.3801877

>>3801834
segsey! i'll have a number 1 and a 2 and a 3
>>3801839
postmodern-deconstruct loli! MODS!!!

>> No.3801881 [DELETED] 

>>3801858
god, the fucking cringe
you aren't even painting yet and you have the audacity to shit on the art presented here. truly the entry level spirit.

>claims to "werk tradetionell!"
>gets called out to name what themes and techniques he works
>says he doesn't even paint
>refuses to name themes
i'm done with you

>> No.3801882

>>3801835
the fucking cringefest here
you aren't even painting yet and you have the audacity to shit on the art presented here. truly the entry level spirit.

>claims to "werk tradetionell!"
>gets called out to name what themes and techniques he works
>says he doesn't even paint
>refuses to name themes
i'm done with you

>> No.3801883

>>3801868
I don’t want to get “it”.
The thought in your mind isn’t legitimate.
If I did get it, I would want to unlearn it, as that would be a healthy step in a positive direction for myself and humanity in general.
The talk I saw with Jules started with one of his “soundscapes” playing during the introduction.
Then it kept playing thru half of his talk. He smiled several times because the guy or girl running the sound for the event didn’t know whether to shut off the “soundscape” or not.
People don’t know whether to pick trash off the floor at art shows or not because they are afraid it part of the show.
WHOLE EXIBITIONS HAVE BEEN THROWN AWAY BY JANITORS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TRASH.
Your world is a fucking joke that gets sadder every day.

>> No.3801886

>>3801882
Ahahaha, you learned words.
Wish you could paint.
At least you have a degree.
Does your degree say...” he knows how to paint, trust us”.

>> No.3801890

>>3801886
"hey guys, i don't even paint myself and i don't know the first thing about it, but let me tell you that i know all of these artists, Balincourt and whatever, are totally illegit! Yeah, because I say so! haha! Overruled all the art world and all the gallerists and artists just now. lol rofl !1!!!
Thanks for your attention, bye!"

thank you for your wisdom, NGMI

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>>3801654
heres a drawing of a friend

my understanding of the fundies, especially anatomy, still has massive holes in it; tear me to shreds.

See the rest of my portfolio of painting on instagram @inatko_

>> No.3801893

>>3801883
>WHOLE EXIBITIONS HAVE BEEN THROWN AWAY BY JANITORS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TRASH.
provide a link to that story.

>People** don’t know whether to pick trash off the floor at art shows or not because they are afraid it part of the show.
correction: **uneducated, knownothing incels like you

>> No.3801894

>>3801868
>many more benefits that you wouldn't know of. connections, talking about art prizes, learning to make a consistent entry for an open call, learning what galleries are on about and where you should be very careful, visiting major artists in their studio and talking to them, making numerous trips to other countries every year, seeing the most important museums - and the thing is, all of this is way cheaper and more fun than doing it alone

Literally none of this is about art it’s just social bullshit. NEETs in dens get better education shitposting on ic and pirating the latest hotness off cgpeers. The whole gaming industry art direction was built off guys like that, it’s had an actual emotional effect on far more than any visual art scene ever has in history. Contemporary art is a cultural culdasac and is dying year over year. I’m sure it’s meaningful to you and your friends though.

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>>3801883
>WHOLE EXIBITIONS HAVE BEEN THROWN AWAY BY JANITORS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TRASH.
I guess that means all contemporary exhibitions are like trash right lol

>> No.3801897

>>3801883
>BY JANITORS
wow! wouldn't you know? people who have to work the lowest paid jobs with the least required education can't say what art is.
now i'm really, REALLY surprised! i guess this puts you on their level?

>> No.3801898

>>3801890
“Yes, my work explores the space between post socialist realism and zombie expressionism and how they intersect in today’s communication between opposing minority groups lacking agency.”
The applause.
The grants.
The emperor’s clothes.
“Catch that trash truck! They stole my art!”

>> No.3801899

>>3801893
These are your educated peers going to YOUR art shows.

>> No.3801900

>>3801894
>Contemporary art is a cultural culdasac and is dying year over year.
yeah i bet you know all about it. glad to see that an absolute outsider who knows nothing about the art world has all the information necessary to look into the future (!) of contemporary art and make ludicrous prediction on its prevailance. especially since art sells for the highest prices ever these days. contemporary art has famously lasted without a scratch through the financial crisis in 2008 and still going. museums are expanding, art shows are as popular as ever, new art fairs are coming about every year.
yeah this makes a lot of sense, buddy!

>> No.3801902

>>3801892
(not him but)
I'm enjoy the experimentation, my strongest advice would be to keep experimenting, don't lock yourself down into any one style yet because none of them look entirely resolved. You have potential though, push it further.

>> No.3801903

>>3801898
post your work, oh you extremely talented, non-painting painter.

>> No.3801904

>>3801896
Fucking trash.
https://news.artnet.com/exhibitions/janitor-throws-out-art-installation-347937

https://gawker.com/cleaning-lady-throws-away-expensive-modern-art-she-mist-1527595660

https://www.neatorama.com/2016/07/20/Janitors-Accidentally-Throw-out-Trash-Can-Art/

>> No.3801905

>>3801904
>wow! wouldn't you know? people who have to work the lowest paid jobs with the least required education can't say what art is.
>now i'm really, REALLY surprised! i guess this puts you on their level?
wow! wouldn't you know? people who have to work the lowest paid jobs with the least required education can't say what art is.
now i'm really, REALLY surprised! i guess this puts you on their level?

wow! wouldn't you know? people who have to work the lowest paid jobs with the least required education can't say what art is.
now i'm really, REALLY surprised! i guess this puts you on their level?

>>3801904
wow! wouldn't you know? people who have to work the lowest paid jobs with the least required education can't say what art is.
now i'm really, REALLY surprised! i guess this puts you on their level?

>> No.3801906

>>3801894
No one wants to work with artists that are complete and utter August’s, socialising, connections and knowing how to sell yourself are what seperate the successful from the bitter nobodies that just wallow in self pity while redoing their fundies for the upteemth time. And the visual art world has had little to no impact compared to the gaming industry? Sure buddy, that’s why there have been entire movements that shape the media and architecture of the era they were created in and then hang in museums as they’ve been agreed upon to have had huge cultural impact

>> No.3801908

>>3801904
https://www.coolnews.com/man-who-is-not-a-surgeon-breaks-into-ER-tries-to-operate-on-a-patient-kills-patient-everybody-is-totally-surprised

https://www.tardnews.com/florida-man-who-as-no-idea-about-rocket-science-builds-rocket-fails-everybody-is-totally-buttblasted-about-it.html

>> No.3801910

>>3801900
Well we will both have to play our respective bets.
Protip: sucking that gallery owners cock whose been hanging around could be the career boost you need to catch the eyes of the next lads up. You can #metoo him in a slump later on if you ever need a cash injection as well!
I’ll be painting.

>> No.3801913

>>3801903
I’ll post mine if you post yours:)

>> No.3801916

>>3801910
>implying that any business field is save from corruption, nepotism, sleeping your way up the food chain ….
happens, but isn't a given

>> No.3801919

>>3801910
To all the painters in the thread who want a career in art but act completely disaffected with contemporary gallerys:
How do you hope to make it?
Play the game?
Or sell your work on etsy?

>> No.3801920

>>3801910
>I’ll be painting.
post
yer
werk

>> No.3801921

>>3801906
The software they use has more effect on the visual trends lately than any art movement. Flat design? -> easy to do in illustrator. Body or curved steel and glass structures? Cheap for the various logistics ERP to encode, cheap to source from suppliers all running CNC, and easy to draw plans for.

>> No.3801922

>>3801920
Suck mah duck. Quack

>> No.3801923

>>3801908
I wonder if the uneducated people who watched this “patient” die, knew if he was even dead?
How in the world could the uneducated people even tell whether the imposter brain surgeon was even a fake?

>> No.3801925

>>3801903
Didn’t think so pussy.

>> No.3801929

>>3801923
>was even a fake?
peer review, general success and approval.
hey i got news for you: taste in art is subjective. a lot of agreement and disagreement out there. you hate Baloncourt? fine. means nothing to me. i appreciate his work and have seen it face to face. 600 by 800 pixels doesn't do it justice.

i think that around 50% of contemporary painting being promoted and inflated by galleries and Sothebys and so on is not something i like. the other half might be things that are decent and a certain amount of it is stuff that i am really passionate about, deeply impressed and would love to own/collect or buy a catalogue of.

art is subjective. always was, always will be. it's the art that persists after many decades that is worth something. the same goes for all art. it has to stand the test of time. i bet my dick that the cheap digital Loomis excercises, loli Wacom masturbation material and fantasy crap posted on /ic/ doesn't even last five years.


>>3801925
i already did. >>3801708 not gonna post it again in the crab pit that this thread is. you cunts are even shitting on established painters.

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>>3801903
Fuck it.
Drawn from life, not a photo. Not that you would even know there’s a difference:)

>> No.3801932

>>3801916
True there’s always social games you have to play even on an open market. But I’m putting forth that the social games dominate any other quality with contemporary art.

>> No.3801933

>>3801929
I didn’t see it before it got deleted.
Why was it deleted?

>> No.3801938

>>3801892
I like it.
Keep it up
Followed

>> No.3801939

>>3801932
> But I’m putting forth that the social games dominate any other quality with contemporary art.
cool thats a nice theory anon!

>> No.3801941

>>3801931
>Not that you would even know there’s a difference:)
lmfao!

I've seen you post this proudly around all sorts of threads for days already. It's an exercise. The first thing I notice desu is the lack of a theme other than it being a test for your pencil skills. You see drawings of skulls like that in easter european academicism all over the place. the allover composition is dead-centered, lacking dynamic. the skull looks unnaturally clean, like the type of model heads for studying shading. The book and skull evoke that historic air, the Renaissance vanitas theme.
Your work is alluding to things and themes that are long gone. Not really seeing where it's supposed to be situated today. It's nicely executed, but that's clearly not enough.


>>3801932
If you don't know influential people, you won't get very far. That's it. Same with any other career. Same with trying to work your way up in accounting, same with trying to take over a pub from the old owner. If he hates your guts, it won't happen. What's your point?

>> No.3801942

>>3801941
shut the fuck up, you can't even draw a circle, pretentious snob.

>> No.3801943

>>3801939
>cool thats a nice theory anon!
hurr durr that's literally how ANY career works these days!
if all you have to offer is skill at what you do and not communicate with people who are in power, you are going to take much much longer to get where you want to be.

art is definitely not all about connections, otherwise people like Henry Darger wouldn't be recognized for their work while they were obviously the most autistic people you can imagine.

>>3801942
>cheap insults
i think i broke it!

>> No.3801944

>>3801942
disprove what i've said about your drawing. it is merely an excercise.

>> No.3801946

>>3801943
ngmi
Your art will always be a joke

>> No.3801947

>>3801941
“Post your work” yeah, this is all I got. Yeah, a study. I’m learning to draw. The thing is unnaturally clean, it a fucking plastic skull. It’s everything you claim, no theme. A simple exercise. And I am pretty proud. 6 months ago I couldn’t draw anything.

>> No.3801949

>>3801946
so much of a joke, that i've had a $2300 sculpture made for free in the course of winning an open call. had i cast in bronze and kept it after the exhibition is over. been on artist in residencies, had a number of group shows and a handful of solo shows.

>inb4 post your work

>> No.3801950

>>3801944
See
>>3801947

>> No.3801951

>>3801947
No worries. Tensions seem a little high in this thread. Keep it up

>> No.3801952

>>3801947
>6 months ago I couldn’t draw anything.
good for you, anon. i'm happy that you've made such a good progress and enjoy drawing. i'm not trying to take this from you, but we are talking about people who are further than that, already have success and have found certain themes that interest them.

nobody will take your clean skull drawing in an exhibition.

>> No.3801953

>>3801941
>If you don't know influential people, you won't get very far. That's it. etc
Going for an account or bar job is very different from going for a gallery position for your abstract trash. The former has gaurenteed economic output they can sell, the latter has to be manufactured and shilled into something people care about. Not the same as a studio position where they can take assets produced and use.
>>3801939
Thank you

>> No.3801956

>>3801943
>>3801953
>cool thats a nice theory anon!
please be mindful of the sarcasm
also
>he latter has to be manufactured and shilled into something people care about
you can say this about diamonds, designer clothing, even money itself

>> No.3801957

>>3801951
Cool. Thanks.
I just hate seeing the fucking contemporary art gatekeepers infect aspiring artists with degeneracy. But now I’ll shut up and go to sleep:)
It was fun.
No hard feelings I hope. I don’t get stressed over threads online. I never really took anonymous interactions seriously. Maybe I should because I don’t know how others perceive all this.
I wish you well.

>> No.3801958

>>3801956
Designer clothes, 100%. Exactly the same dynamics. Diamonds have industrial use so they have a floor on their value which is still high, money is it’s own class of thing.

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>>3801952

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O.k. Really going to bed.

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>>3801960
me too.
good night anon

>> No.3801963

>>3801959
haha nice one reddit x)

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>>3801711
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>>3801723
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>> No.3802031

>>3801005
>77K in debt and no job in that field
Can confirm, I am actively eating shit right now.

>> No.3802077

>>3801838
>“Oh, I’m evoking a badly drawn circle”.
>No bud, you just can’t draw a circle.

Finally someone points out some basic common sense lmao

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