/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3588717]

TELL ME HOW TO DRAW LIKE THIS. LOOMIS IS A FUCKING MEME.

[Anonymous No.3588722]

step 1: be japanese
step 2: if you're not, cry

[Anonymous No.3588727]

Study a lot of different styles you lazy fuck (don't just copy your Narutos or DBZs)

Get good references from fashion magazines and shite, till you can draw from imagination.

Being japanese is a shill comment. You can draw whatever the fuck you want as long as you practice.

[Anonymous No.3588735]

draw anime faces you fuck

[Anonymous No.3588737]

>>3588717

Unironically Mike Crilley tutorials

[Anonymous No.3588749]

>>3588717
Holy shit, you should get banned for making the same type of topic 3 times already. There's already a lot of discussion related to this, use the catalog.

Here, I'll even spoon feed you one of those topics.
>>3583905

Read through it, your question has been answered several times.
HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!

[Anonymous No.3588757]

>>3588737
Ah yes, Mike Crilley

[Anonymous No.3588760]

>>3588737
Get off /ic/ already Mark.

[Anonymous No.3588772]

>>3588717
>he doesn't know the science of moe

[Anonymous No.3588785]

>>3588717
>tfw I try to draw with loomis and all my faces look shit
>draw without and they look better because I can actually capture the form more effectively
While I won't deny that learning basic construction is good to do I do agree loomis is overrated as shit.
It literally feels like the most robotic and monotonous way to draw and I get the feeling it's good for some but not for others.

[Anonymous No.3588789]

You need 10,000 hours of shitposting on /ic/. If you draw in any way, shape or form, you must start over.

[Anonymous No.3588790]

The whole "you have to be Japanese" is such a joke, I'm convinced they wanna blame not getting good immediately on the fact that they aren't japanese
Pic related is by a non Asian artist
(Inb4 "I CAN TELL BECAUSE THE SHINE ON THE EYE IS OFF" or another ridiculous nitpick)
Just practice anatomy alot and try and copy alot of other anime artists (especially poses). If you draw it enough you'll get good

[Anonymous No.3588792]

>>3588790
>(Inb4 "I CAN TELL BECAUSE THE SHINE ON THE EYE IS OFF" or another ridiculous nitpick)
But it's true.

[Anonymous No.3588793]

>>3588790
I'd give her a dollar to fuck

[Anonymous No.3588802]

>>3588717
All of these are still based on the same principles of Loomis. They're just stylized further.

[Anonymous No.3588806]

>>3588802
You're not even lining the ball correctly, kruger.

[Anonymous No.3588810]

God damn I wish I put in the application for Janitor so I could get rid of these threads. I mean, I tried at least 4 times by now and they wouldn't even send the email so whatever.

[Anonymous No.3588812]

>>3588806
Yes I am, for a rough idea. Please correct me if you know better.

[Anonymous No.3588816]

>>3588810
>>3588749
>so autistic he can't just ignore it

[Anonymous No.3588820]

>>3588790
>Pic related is by a non Asian artist

phew lad.. as if anyone thought otherwise

[Anonymous No.3588824]

>>3588810
you gotta be cool headed and chill to be a jannie, not some autistic faggot who would kill the population of /ic in a week.

[Anonymous No.3588826]

>>3588824
I'd only be killing 1 person. I'd make a fine janny.

[Anonymous No.3588827]

>>3588824
I would do it in a day and the board would be better for it.

[Anonymous No.3588830]

Unironically with Loomis.

[Anonymous No.3588832]

>>3588824
>you gotta be cool headed and chill to be a jannie

Please tell me you don't actually believe this

[Anonymous No.3588835]

>>3588806
>>3588812
kruger is so funny

[Anonymous No.3588836]

just git gud

[Anonymous No.3588849]

They kind of just tried to copy us when Disney shit started coming oversees at the same time we were controlling them post war. there's been like 60 years of branching off from that which led too what we have now. There's definitely more to it than just big eyes, contour drawing, and pointy noses though. They do seem to do most of the shit you'll find in a western drawing, just with slight changes in emphasis

[Anonymous No.3588850]

>>3588835
It's okay that you didn't draw today, anon. There's always tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the day after that :)

[Anonymous No.3588852]

do you guys think it was worth paying to get some of these translated? I don't know what costs to expect

[Anonymous No.3588860]

>>3588849
>>3588852
What book is this?

[Anonymous No.3588881]

>>3588860
Hitokaku volume 1

>>3588852
Straight up, probably not. It's really straight forward and just copying the book if you have the basic foundations of drawing in general should be enough to teach you figure drawing the way the book is supposed to.

[Anonymous No.3588894]

>>3588852
If you do pay it to be translated please share the translated version here.

[Anonymous No.3588904]

>>3588852
Use google translate on phone, take pictures and translate. Cheaper and I did some of these exercises and they're not hard to understand, a basic explanation and looking at the graphics carefully will be enough.

[Anonymous No.3588918]

>>3588717
> Not wanting to draw like Loomis.
You're a fucking meme desu.

[Anonymous No.3588921]

>>3588918

[Anonymous No.3588922]

>>3588918
Posting some Loomis

[Anonymous No.3588923]

>>3588918
LOOK AT THOSE CURVES

[Anonymous No.3588925]

>>3588923

[Anonymous No.3588926]

>>3588918

[Anonymous No.3588931]

>>3588852
>do you guys think it was worth paying to get some of these translated?
>Was
Did someone actually pay to get it translated?

[Anonymous No.3588943]

>>3588717
Buy the same mechanical pencil, you'll draw like that in no time

[Anonymous No.3588944]

>>3588717
I can see the Loomis within her.

[Anonymous No.3588945]

>>3588802
Great now how do you draw what actually goes on top of the circle.

[Anonymous No.3588948]

>>3588802
how do you know where to draw the lines that make up the jaw

[Anonymous No.3588950]

>>3588944
You'll be going places.

[Anonymous No.3588952]

>>3588802
The side planes on these are total bullshit. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.3588954]

>mfw I was reading some Japanese manga drawing book and half way through it they starting throwing in loomis construction
Wish I could remember what book it was I got so much shit unorganized

[Anonymous No.3588955]

>>3588948
>>3588945
>>3588717
holy shit just fucking draw already faggots no one makes a drawing by being told how to, there's no magical fucking incantation that trains your lazy muscles and shit for brains to artfully dirty a page

[Anonymous No.3588957]

>>3588955
Just draw is an even bigger meme than loomis. You expect anyone to believe anime and manga style art is suddenly going to come from their head?

[Anonymous No.3588960]

>>3588957
Not him, but yes. You're already immersed by that style from this site enough for you to replicate it from scratch with your own concept of the ideal.

[Anonymous No.3588962]

>>3588957

I suspect you think there is some secret sauce learning material to get good at chinese cartoons. There isn't.

Lets put this in perspective. If you actually start drawing now and do 1 page a day in a year thats 365 pages or the equivalent of 3.5 sketchbooks filled. In 5 years thats 1835 pages or roughly 18 sketchbooks filled.

The Japs you worship so much fill at least 1 sketchbook worth of work per month.The ones that really want it fill 2 to 3. If you do the math they surge 10 plus years in experience just by drawing more than you.

If you draw once a week, while making shit threads on /ic/ on how to draw anime, you will make it in 80 years time. Or quite precisely, you'll never going to make it.

[Anonymous No.3588964]

>>3588945
Figure drawing and practice from looking at similar reference. Go to 10 real life figure drawing sessions with girls and draw 5-20 girl faces a night and those lines will figure themselves out.

>>3588948
Either more loomis w/ "Drawing the head and hands", or a fuckton of practice till you reverse engineer the same shit Loomis did

[Anonymous No.3588963]

>>3588962
tldr just draw more.

[Anonymous No.3588969]

>>3588957
>Just draw is an even bigger meme than loomis.

oh boy...

[Anonymous No.3588970]

>>3588969
/ic/ the image.

[Anonymous No.3588978]

>>3588717
bridgeman

[Anonymous No.3588987]

>>3588969
Just draw is a meme in that it is always posted by unhelpful people who are trying to minimize discussion. Obviously you should draw but whenever someone is lost and looking for help people just spam it. Just take one look at the deviant art improvement pics and you’ll see that if you just draw aimlessly, you won’t improve at all.

[Anonymous No.3588988]

>>3588987
>aimlessly
>there is a sticky right on the 1st page
>there is a sticky right in the /beg/ thread
>google for all to use
>artbook thread for files
>various pirate sites to pull resources from
>dozens of schools to learn online

shut the fuck up and draw

[Anonymous No.3589011]

>>3588988
Take your own advice.

[Anonymous No.3589014]

>>3589011
shut the fuck up and draw

[Anonymous No.3589023]

>>3588835
>>3588806
You're an idiot

[Anonymous No.3589027]

>>3589023
shut up and draw

[Anonymous No.3589036]

>>3589014
>>3589027
>wahh stop talking about art, i'll never be this good! JUST DRAW.

[Anonymous No.3589043]

>>3589036
draw and shut up, boy.

[Anonymous No.3589047]

>>3589043
Take your own advice.

[Anonymous No.3589049]

>>3589047
Draw.

[Anonymous No.3589050]

>>3589049
>Wastes his time arguing and peddling non advice like "just draw" instead of just drawing

Why would anyone take you seriously.

[Anonymous No.3589053]

>>3589050

[Anonymous No.3589072]

>>3588717
You did it wrong OP. You're suppose to ask how to draw anime and post Illya von Einzbern as pic related.

[Anonymous No.3589097]

>>3588717
stop bitching and go draw

[Anonymous No.3589126]

>>3588790
It's pretty obviously not drawn by a Japanese artist. Try again.

[Anonymous No.3589141]

>>3588790
i have a theory about this
for japanese people japanese is the 'default race' and cartoons look like japanese to them

when a westerner trys to draw anime instead of drawing a nipongonian they draw whitey, so no wonder it looks different. but even worse because le jap isn't the default race for le cracker even if they try to draw an asian it'll still be the white man's interpretation of asian.

so there's no solution,

the only thing foreigners can do to draw authentic looking anime is just to rip off japanese artists accurately. but obviously that means there's little room for creativity. which makes sense if you think about it, of course cultural appropriation leads to shallow art.

[Anonymous No.3589145]

>>3588717
You draw it like you draw everything else. You can begin with Loomis if you want to learn, or you can find some other source.

[Anonymous No.3589147]

>>3588717

[Anonymous No.3589148]

>>3589147
oh my god.

[Anonymous No.3589150]

>>3589148
you utter fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.3589151]

>>3589147
>>3589150

[Anonymous No.3589154]

>>3589151
How can loomis compete with cute girls hugging pillows?

[Anonymous No.3589155]

Just draw basic shapes and curves you faggot

[Anonymous No.3589162]

>>3588969
>>3588988
>>3589014
>>3589043
>>3589049
>>3589053
Based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.3589166]

>>3588852
Summing up his books:
>grab your pencil!
>let's draw!
>try to copy these drawings!
>it's so easy, right?
>have fun!
>don't forget snacks and tea!

You won't miss much even if you can't read Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3589168]

>>3589166
also
>put on some good music!

[Anonymous No.3589170]

>>3589168
Can you recommend me something good anon?
I'm tired of listening to the same shit over and over again.

[Anonymous No.3589186]

>>3588957
How is it possible to have so many fucking trolls on one slow as shit board? The population here is like 4:2 of trolls to actual people trying to draw

[Anonymous No.3589187]

>>3589186
It's just the nature of the website

[Anonymous No.3589236]

>>3589186
You are underestimating the number of people here who are legitimately mentally challenged and just come off as so stupid that you assume they must be trolling. I'd say out of all the "Loomis is a meme how do I draw anime" posters, a shocking number of them is actually being serious and legtimiately just cannot grasp how learning the fundamentals of figure drawing could possibly lead them to getting better at drawing figures.

[Anonymous No.3589244]

>>3588717
Take a pencil a piece of paper and draw like this. That's all.

[Anonymous No.3589276]

>>3588717
who's the artist? got a source?

[Anonymous No.3589277]

>>3588790
>Pic related is by a non Asian artist
yeah no fucking duh, it looks like a westerner drew this

it's in no way bad, but you can tell from just a glance that a jap did not draw this

nor is it "anime" but "anime influenced"

[Anonymous No.3589282]

>>3589141

[Anonymous No.3589285]

>>3588717
for faces you can use any form of abstraction you want, and since most of animu anatomy is just slightly stylized realism loomis is quite a good source

[Anonymous No.3589288]

>>3588717
BUY A SHITTON OF GRAVURE MAGAZINES FOR REFERENCE.
White women are too fat and ugly and stocky and they have ugly bodies that are not smooth and petite but with big boobs like cute gravure idols and they have ugly manfaces that's why if you learn to draw white people you'll draw shit.

[Anonymous No.3589293]

>>3588926
>>3588925
>>3588923
>>3588921
>>3588918
>>3588922
Why do white people look so old is she 40??? And why do white women have those huge jaws and huge manfaces I'm looking at >>3588923's face and it looks like a tranny

[Anonymous No.3589302]

>>3589285
what abstraction is the 2 top right?

[Anonymous No.3589314]

>>3589302
dont know to be quite honest lol, but it's how i usually think when i draw faces

[Anonymous No.3589321]

>>3588802
everyone @ing this is samefagging, the drawing is fine

[Anonymous No.3589325]

>>3589314
aw damn. wanted to combine that with the face triangle and see how it worked
thannks tho!

[Anonymous No.3589331]

>>3589285
why does your shit look all faded

[Anonymous No.3589344]

>>3589325
sorry i couldnt help but honestly just try every abstraction you can find and then just start developing your own abstraction taking what you like most from the other pre-determined ones
good luck bud
>>3589331
idk what you mean, i drew it with grey if that's what you're asking

[Anonymous No.3589437]

>>3588717
I just tried using Loomis's method with the ball with the sides cut off and everything makes sense now

[Anonymous No.3589450]

>>3589321
>everyone criticizing me is the same guy

[Anonymous No.3589454]

>>3588717
If you just tried to understand what teachers like Loomis tried to explain instead of copying their instructions you would already be able to draw like that.

[Anonymous No.3589456]

>>3589454
Why are there so many loomis shills and zero who can show work. Fuck off crab.

[Anonymous No.3589464]

>>3589456
You must be new here. When we reference loomis here we're talking about READING his text to get an idea of what are the basics to picture making. If you have an IQ above 95 at least, then you can make the judgment on where to learn those fundamentals with other resources. Nobody here ever said loomis was some kind of 4 year college material that you must master by copying his drawings.

[Anonymous No.3589465]

>>3589464
Ah yes the "we didn't actually mean loomis by saying loomis lmao" reply.

[Anonymous No.3589467]

>>3589465
You gotta be underage. Nobody is this stupid even for /ic/ standards.

[Anonymous No.3589469]

>>3589467
Nobody is falling for it.

[Anonymous No.3589471]

>>3589469
You're right. Nobody will fall for it. You're a nobody ngmi but someone else reading it will understand not to be a retard like you.

[Anonymous No.3589472]

>>3588881
Can you give me a link to it?

[Anonymous No.3589502]

>>3588717
Loomis didn´t drew 12 yo teen girls in erotic poses.
Japanese did.

[Anonymous No.3589505]

>>3589502
>Loomis didn't draw 12 yo teen girls in erotic poses
imagine

[Anonymous No.3589536]

>>3589472
Sure thing:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g53b0lezu02i4ik
http://www.mediafire.com/file/926fv82hbvw660m
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m8mbh2m15qcl8cm

All 3 volumes here.

[Anonymous No.3589624]

>>3589536
Thank you
I like the 2D into 3D methods, it's very simple and easy to understand

[Anonymous No.3589627]

First step : try
Second step : fail
Repeat until you can draw like this
It guets as simple as that

[Anonymous No.3589638]

>>3588852
How would you pay for me to translate this page?

[Anonymous No.3589653]

>>3588790
I whole heartly agree with what you said, but you don't have to point out that the pic you posted was made by a western, i can honestly tell

[Anonymous No.3589655]

>>3589141
Do you think white people look like cartoons?

[Anonymous No.3589661]

>>3589151
What book is this?

[Anonymous No.3589663]

>>3588918
>>3588921
>>3588922
>>3588923
>>3588925
>>3588926
rubbish
point made
löömis mare like memes

[Anonymous No.3589666]

this facepalm reaction
>>3588925
to this
>>3588923

[Anonymous No.3589672]

>>3589288
This is half true. I thought proportions in 'normal' anime was stylisation. Then i went to japan.

Theres no such thing as "thigh gap" trend in Japan. Thats just most womens natural figure. Also the narrow frame is true.

[Anonymous No.3589756]

>>3589141
My theory is that japanese people draw differently because they write differently. There must be some skill transfer that applies there.
I've been reading mangas for 3 decades now and I just never mistake a western or korean artist with a japanese one.

[Anonymous No.3589761]

>>3589756

Funny, people all over the world aren't writing as much as the used to and are typing. When was the last time you had to hand write something if it wasn't for a receipt or signature?

[Anonymous No.3589790]

>>3589761
I actualy always have something to write on at works, and scribble down 2-3 pages of doodles daily. I just don't feel confortable when my writing hand is empty, so I only let go of my pen to type down things. (also, my writing hand and my mouse hand are different, so I can navigate on my screen and write at the same time)

But back to the point, yes, people nowadays write a lot less, but it's mostly true of adults, kids at school still write a lot, and manga artists learn drawing around that age.

[Anonymous No.3589799]

>>3589756
>I've been reading mangas for 3 decades now and I just never mistake a western or korean artist with a japanese one.
The only non japanese and non-korean artists who even try to draw manga are weebs and amateurs who can't draw for shit. All the skilled western artists who are interested in sequential art draw comics, so obviously these amateur weebs all stand out as very bad artists compared to the japanese professionals.

[Anonymous No.3589828]

>>3589661

[Anonymous No.3589837]

>>3589141
wtf does this even means

[Anonymous No.3589848]

>>3588717
Hire a tutor and stop coming to never-gonna-make-it central.

[Anonymous No.3589869]

>>3588717
Just fill in the details bro.

[Anonymous No.3589897]

After careful observation, I think I now know why so many anime enthusiasts seem to have trouble with Loomis these days. Here is my attempt at an updated version of Loomis for a new, younger audience.

[Anonymous No.3589901]

>>3589897
Oh wow what book is this, is there an english version?

[Anonymous No.3589904]

>>3589901
(you)

[Anonymous No.3589970]

>>3589536
Weeee cheers

[Anonymous No.3590040]

>>3588717
Stop being a loser.

[Anonymous No.3590071]

>>3589901

[Anonymous No.3590074]

>>3589897
This actually seems really good. Is this from a book or does the artist have a pixiv?

[Anonymous No.3590119]

>>3589897
>>3589901
behold: Der Millenial!

[Anonymous No.3590182]

>>3588717
Idk I'm both beg and don't draw anime too much but I feel like I ended up with something sort of appealing from pic related. Loomis or any construction is for sure key to making these without reference though right?

[Anonymous No.3590197]

>>3590182
Watch out, the silhouette of your cheek + chin is very wobbly, exaggerated, and almost skull-like in appearance. I would tighten things a bit, and you can bring the peak of the cheek higher.
Your mouth is too wide, and chin too forward (it sat really far ahead of the midline).
You copied an exact drawing that someone else made, so it's hard to say if you have an actual understanding of it or not.

[Anonymous No.3590229]

>>3590197
oh shit that looks much better, I got pretty nervous around the face stuff, I'll try taking that into account more, thanks for the redline

[Anonymous No.3590231]

>>3589897
This is great. Where can I find more like this?

[Anonymous No.3590242]

>>3589901
『やさしい人物画』

[Anonymous No.3590259]

>>3590242
Oh nonononono no no.....

[Anonymous No.3590290]

I have been trying to draw anime for so long and stopped after i gave up and went to Loomis. since then i hate myself more than anything and am bored so easy.
I miss anime but know i need to study loomis...... but... i miss it
Tho i am shit at drawing anime so .... ...at least i had fun.........

[Anonymous No.3590291]

>>3590290
forgot

[Anonymous No.3590292]

>>3590290
Nobody needs loomis.

[Anonymous No.3590304]

>>3590292
then why do they always spam it and what do i need to draw animu

[Anonymous No.3590453]

>>3590291
thats really cute anon im proud of you

[Anonymous No.3590454]

>>3588717
Learn how to draw. Train hand-eye coordination, spatial perception and visual memory. Those are core drawing skills. Everything else is built on them. If you struggle to draw accurately from pictures or life you need to work more on those skills. It will make studying much easier. It's best to do it parallel if anything. Do exercises for them everyday before you study or practice. Though beginners should always study accuracy like doing bargue plates or cast studies from life.

A couple resources: Essentials of Realism lectures by Jonathan Hardesty. All the books of Darren R. Rousar (specifically the accuracy and memory books.)

You can do this alongside loomis if you want. Or whatever you wish to study. Building these skills will make the process that much easier.

[Anonymous No.3590517]

>>3588790
>Pic related is by a non Asian artist
savedtocringecompilation.png

[Anonymous No.3590522]

>>3589162
stop fucking replying to yourseelf you fucking weirdo

[Anonymous No.3590525]

>>3590290
Anon I'm gon let u in a secret.
"Loomis" is about teaching you how to construct the human figure and head. It does so by teaching you about proportions and a basic system of measurement. However, once you understand the fundamentals being taught, i.e. proportions and of course anatomy, there's no need to adhere to how Loomis draws or realism.
You can draw all the anime you want.
Just make sure you're applying the concepts Loomis is trying to teach you.

I also think your art is cute, I hope you keep practicing. You should post in /alt/ sometime.

[Anonymous No.3590599]

>>3590454
Can you clarify what you mean when you said you need to study it in parallel? Study which things?

Thanks

[Anonymous No.3590604]

>>3590525
it's comments like this that make people think loomis is a meme. people like you who haven't even read any loomis pretend you have and say, well, basically what you said, that loomis is just a basic system for construction. loomis has like 7 books and they cover basically everything you need to know from day 1 to advanced, loomis isn't those proportion charts and the first few pages from fun with a pencil.

actually skim through the books at least before you start 'letting people in on secrets'

[Anonymous No.3590613]

>>3589897
>>3589901

>Has japanese characters
>Suddenly it's considered good by /ic/

[Anonymous No.3590620]

>>3590613
congratulation, you got the joke

[Anonymous No.3590623]

>>3590522

[Anonymous No.3590651]

>>3588717
Unironically LOOMIS.
You need to internalize perspective and gesture most of all. And Loomis teaches that too, among other things.

[Anonymous No.3590750]

>>3590599
Character Design. Anatomy. Figure Drawing. Environments. Perspective etc. Anything really. Just make sure to do the drills in the morning. Dexterity drills like drawing straight lines, hand-eye coord drills like ghosting lines.

Spatial perception drills like drawing casts or bargue plates and really honing in on accuracy. Contour drawing including blind, silhouette drawing.

Visual memory drills like making silhouetted images of basic shapes like quadrilaterals first, or even lines then looking at them for a few minutes and putting the reference away and drawing from memory. A very fun exercise is drawing from memory at night what you drew during the day. Darren's book covers a lot of drills for you to follow along.

If you're a beginner I highly recommend going to an atelier or watching online lectures on sight-size drawing, like Essentials of Realism by Jonathan Hardesty, (not actually sight-size but covers most of the techniques and knowledge you need, the guy is a Gammel-atelier trained artist).

[Anonymous No.3590752]

>>3590525
This. Drawing is learning certain essential core skills and how to train them first. The practice then doesn't require you to look at any particular model or subject. You can apply the knowledge to any subject. Including 2d girls if that's what motivates you.

Read this to learn about the core skills and some resources: >>3590454

[Anonymous No.3590783]

>>3590604
I think this guy >>3590525 was specifically talking about anatomy, considering this >>3590290
guy posted wonky anime bodies and wonky anime faces.

[Anonymous No.3590805]

>>3590783
still wrong

[Anonymous No.3590829]

It's funny how everyone here is full of advice and loomis, yet no one ever on /ic/ reached this level.

[Anonymous No.3590848]

>>3590829
Really makes me think

[Anonymous No.3590857]

Serious question. People that want to draw like this AND work professionally, What's your endgame?

[Anonymous No.3590863]

>>3590857
if you mean draw anime then

draw till i have a big following(fanart and whatnot)
do commision and or patreon
live off of it and not work anymore.

pretty much what all the former newgrounds artist did before they turned into a gaming channel.

[Anonymous No.3590867]

>>3590604
Well, you are right Anon, Loomis is much more than construction. I've read FWAP, FDFWIW, and Drawing Heads and Hands and a bit of Creative Illustration- all fantastic read, I recommend them to anime artists just cause they're so comfy.

Loomis does also teach about drawing and practicing the features, placing them in perspective, the planes of the face and body, and a bit about rendering shadow and light. Those are certainly essential fundamentals as well. But rendering is a "next step" in drawing. We want to make sure anon can draw well to begin with, that's why when people say "read loomis" it's usually to correct anatomy and proportion mistakes.
But I still stand by my statement. If you have an UNDERSTANDING of the fundamentals, there's no need to draw realism unless the studies you're doing call for it. Studying the planes of the face and how light hits it from a certain angle? Probably best to draw a realistic face to practice before moving onto simplified forms. Just trying to learn how to pose the body? I don't see why you can't draw animu bods for that, especially if your endgoal is learning to draw good anime.

>>3590752
>The practice then doesn't require you to look at any particular model or subject
Well, it's true drawing from imagination is good practice and putting your skills/knowledge to the test. But I heavily recommend drawing from life and reference. Anime is stylized heads and semirealistic bodies, so you need to know what it is you're simplifying if you want your imagination drawings to look good.

[Anonymous No.3590875]

>>3590829
>implying people who reach that level bother coming back to /ic/

There's literally a handful that do. Have you ever seen those students who have $150k debt, qualifications in lesbionic folk dance, zero common sense, but consider themselves experts in economics? If you've ever seen them, they aren't that rare, you'll hear them say things like "well I think rich people should be taxed at 90%", but when they themselves fall into that bracket of being rich (generally through some diversity quota or inheritance, it's rarely, if ever, based on actual ability) then suddenly they're no longer Communists and they don't think "the rich" should be taxed at 90%, if anything they shouldn't be taxed at all, and they drop their Commie pals because why hang out with losers when you've already made it? Some do out of pity, but for the most part you won't see them for fucking dust.
That's not to say the people who make it are as illogical and retarded as Commies and that's why they don't come back, it's because /ic/ itself is a lot like any Commie party full of one thing, no matter how successful you become - crabs.

[Anonymous No.3590882]

>>3588826
>>3588827
>>3588832
>janny's got you in their scope

prithee be careful anon

[Anonymous No.3590889]

>>3588957
Learning art is about 70% drawing, 25% reading, and 5% critique/discussion.

/ic/'s posts are 70% muh opinion, 25% tutorial hoarding, and 5% drawing.

"Just draw" posters may be meme-ing, but it's still something this board in particular needs to hear.

[Anonymous No.3590897]

>>3590750
You Sir are a legend.
Top 1% of advice on ic.
Please make a sticky/website/blog/whatever that contains advice like this.

[Anonymous No.3590924]

>>3590875
>rich people aren't communists
>holds wild right-wing conspiracy theories about bill gates, jeff bezos and george soros

begone goyim >>/pol/

[Anonymous No.3590929]

>>3590242
This is actually no joke the Japanese edition of Figure Drawing for All Its Worth? Is it quite different from original?

[Anonymous No.3590932]

>>3590857
you could make 20k a month with patreon if you shat out a lewd comic every month with that style

[Anonymous No.3590975]

>>3590857
Earn a living making and publishing comics.

I know it's going to be a lot harder to get published in the American comic industry if I'm drawing anime/manga, but I figure if for the next 3-5 years I selfpublish a bunch of comics myself and gain a healthy 20K+ following online, any publisher would accept my work despite artstyle. Not to mention publishers like Image are already printing comics like Snotgirl whose art is pretty anime influenced, so it's just a matter of learning to make good work fast and being able to write good comics.

[Anonymous No.3591217]

>>3590975
post work

[Anonymous No.3591614]

>>3589536
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3591650]

>>3590805
Mhm. Very cool response.

[Anonymous No.3591656]

>>3591650
thanks, i'm know for my laconic turn of phrase

[Anonymous No.3591735]

>>3590975
>any publisher would accept my work despite artstyle
Fuck publishers, do whatever it is the comicsgate people are and just crowdfund the production and distribution

[Anonymous No.3591738]

>>3591735
As much as I agree with that answer, you first need a decent following to do that.

[Anonymous No.3591757]

>>3591738
ah so the plan then is to get published for the publicity? Good luck anon, as someone who's toying with the same sort of idea and will attempt at it when git gud, rooting for you

[Anonymous No.3591762]

>>3589293
Because white people are born more mature figured than Asians. I bet you heard of "neoteny". Basically Asians stop growing when they reach puberty.

[Anonymous No.3591764]

>how do i draw anime n#2994995095059
meh

[Anonymous No.3591765]

Just draw anime. If you want to be a rock star, will you learn Bach or Mozart? You should just get a guitar and sing along to whatever song you like. You don't have to know how to write musical score nor music theory. The same goes for drawing.

[Anonymous No.3591776]

>>3588727
this is true.

[Anonymous No.3591795]

>>3590290
Your drawing is good enough to pull off shit commissions from normalfags if that makes you feel any better. Also have you ever been on /a/ drawthreads or WWD? your drawings feel familiar.

[Anonymous No.3591809]

>>3591795
what do i need to get to that level? commissions from normalfags.

[Anonymous No.3591811]

>>3589536
bless you, man

[Anonymous No.3591812]

>>3590620
it's not a joke tho, it really is like that

[Anonymous No.3591827]

>>3591812
just because somebody used a joke to point out a fact that doesn't make it less of a joke. see stand up comedy

[Anonymous No.3591910]

>>3591735
>comicsgate
Lawl

[Anonymous No.3591976]

>>3591735
As much as I want to agree, when I say published, I mean I want to get published for real. I want my books in stores accross the country. And I don't see how that's feasibly possible without publishers, even with crowdsourcing becoming a thing.

[Anonymous No.3592126]

>>3588717
Draw/trace the same thing over and over, turn on recorder, draw from memory and giggle as people think you are an art god

[Anonymous No.3592750]

>>3591976
>wants his book in an antiquated and desolate store amongst hundreds of other books that will not be sold

[Anonymous No.3592760]

>>3592750
I'm sure your aspirations climb much higher than mine anon.

[Anonymous No.3592761]

>>3590889
I've improved fast watching great artists draw and explain themselves as they draw. And drawing a lot of course too.

[Anonymous No.3592994]

>>3590867
You misunderstood me. I don't mean to stop drawing from reference. I mean that drawing from any particular reference (such as studies of masters) isn't necessary. My point was that once you knew the basics of drawing, you can train the core skills looking at anything, including anime.

[Anonymous No.3593060]

>>3591776
>>3588727
/thread

[Anonymous No.3593101]

>>3588852
woah why the fuck is this the best thing ive ever seen

[Anonymous No.3593132]

>>3593101
Hitokaku is pretty good shit, get it here >>3589536

[Anonymous No.3593142]

>>3588852
Another generic Loomis head variation...holy shit, this is actually easy to draw. It's just hemisphere+box+triangle. And you can fix the 3D angle of a head once and for all. The vertical line dropped from the ear works.

[Anonymous No.3593167]

>>3589536
My nigger
Thanks man

[Anonymous No.3593171]

"temple line" is better to grasp head than "eye line". Because it's where the face begins. Jaw goes up towards the ear and ends where it crosses with the "ear line".

[Anonymous No.3593186]

>>3593171
So is this guy the Japanese Loomis or something?

[Anonymous No.3593189]

>>3593186
pretty much, although Loomis himself is also pretty popular in japan

[Anonymous No.3593193]

>>3590290
The full body one in the middle is particularly good and cute, keep it up anon!

[Anonymous No.3593222]

>>3593171
stop giving away the secret

[Anonymous No.3593231]

>>3593171
What book is this from

[Anonymous No.3593243]

>>3593231
mentioned multiple times throughout the thread and linked

[Anonymous No.3593283]

>>3588790
>Pic related is by a non Asian artist
No shit.

[Anonymous No.3593287]

>>3589536
>tfw speak decent Nip
Much obliged.

[Anonymous No.3593420]

>>3593283
idk the navel/waist seems maybe a bit too pronounced, but it doesn't seem to fall into many "fake anime" trappings if the line weight was just a little lower and no english text I'd be convinced

[Anonymous No.3593427]

is it even that bad that westerners can never quite do it the same as nips? I feel like that just gives more power to them, it's not like the art we make is bad, just different. If everyone in the world could make the same specific art wouldn't that get boring?

[Anonymous No.3593433]

>>3593427
Just accept that the Japs are better than us and better than we will ever be.

[Anonymous No.3593438]

>>3593433
shikata ga nai brother

[Anonymous No.3593442]

>>3593427
As someone whose accepted and embraces this, the only thing that really bothers me is that it feels like a gap in the technical knowledge. Like they just know how to use their program slightly better or have a brush setting I never tried using. Because drawings like this are easily doable once you know the steps and what not, it just feels like your workflow isn't streamlined enough sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3593454]

>>3593442
I think it's more because these few things imo:
-Japanese started developing this style way earlier, thus more experience
-We only start to get a healthier dose and exposure to real anime content (shows, art books, etc.) only recently. And even today we still don't get access to all their content. So non-nip artists have a whole lot of catching up to do in terms of immersion
-There's not much market demand of pure anime style outside of Japan, so it's really hard to make it a sustainable, long-lasting career. So most people either lose motivation and drop-off.

[Anonymous No.3593471]

>>3591762
why is /ic/ so fixated on neoteny? by your standards taylor swift looks like a man? can an angular model face with sharp cheekbones and a strong jawline not be considered as beautiful as a childlike neotenous face? why not both?

[Anonymous No.3593569]

>>3593471
Because in case you didn't notice, 4chan is weeb central.

[Anonymous No.3593576]

Step 1 Do it carefully
Step 2 Almost, like this. EASY STUFF haha
Step 3 Done

Every japanese book ever
FUCK YOU JAPAN

[Anonymous No.3593890]

>>3588852
made a 3D model.
I only have to sketch this from every angle and I can draw anime, right?

[Anonymous No.3593993]

>>3589897
saved for future shitposting

[Anonymous No.3594452]

>>3589627
you forgot step 3 where you analyze what you did wrong

[Anonymous No.3594494]

B-bros...

[Anonymous No.3594497]

F-fellas...

[Anonymous No.3594506]

>>3594497
RISE TF UP

[Anonymous No.3594507]

>>3594497
WTF I can draw anime girls now

[Anonymous No.3594509]

>>3593442
It just so happen that I received this book yesterday. What a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.3594519]

>>3594509
Good for you richfag

[Anonymous No.3594567]

>>3594509
You should def post it to the artbook thread if you ever feel like scanning it.

[Anonymous No.3594779]

>>3590290
What's the problem anon? Just draw both. Draw Loomis first or second, then draw anime. It's not like they're mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.3594786]

>>3588962

jesus

[Anonymous No.3594789]

>>3594786
It's not too late anon. Start now. Draw.

[Anonymous No.3594858]

>>3589277
>>3588820
>>3589126
>>3590517
>>3593283
post your work if you think your art is better enough than them to ridicule it

[Anonymous No.3594914]

>>3590932
> 20k a month with patreon
a couple years ago maybe
there are so many generic anime porn artist these day
the market is saturated
to reach 20k a month you have to do something big like videogame or actually good comic that capture audience attention

[Anonymous No.3594971]

>>3594914
Yeah 20K is a bit ridiculous to hope for from Patreon alone.
However, 2K-3K is perfectly achievable and more than enough to live off of alone.

[Anonymous No.3594978]

>>3594858
Probably all the same dude.

[Anonymous No.3595554]

>>3594858
>if you think your art is better enough than them to ridicule it
I don't need to be a good actor to say Adam Sandler sucks.
Also, this isn't about ridiculing anyone. That work was done by a westerner and that is extremily noticable

[Anonymous No.3595843]

>>3594779
In fact you should be doing BOTH if you want to draw good anime. Study form/shape/IRL and study the anime styles you like from artists you enjoy. You will make it.

[Anonymous No.3595849]

>>3594858
Doodle I made a couple months ago when I was watching DitF. It's pretty obvious mine is close to the actual character style from the show whereas that is in some mid point between Nickelodeon/anime/tumblr styles.

[Anonymous No.3595865]

i only wish to draw lolis. i want to get back to animating and super smokin lolis fighting is one of the very few things im on here for.

[Anonymous No.3595898]

i also like jap books because it forces me to attempt to understand what they're trying to tell me, so i get a better understanding if i "catch their drift".

[Anonymous No.3595926]

>>3595865
neck yourself

[Anonymous No.3596082]

>>3588948
By looking at a skelington

[Anonymous No.3596114]

>>3588717
>LOOMIS IS A FUCKING MEME

You are a lazy or a talentless fuck, better go on fapping the whole day. Everyone should do what they do best.

[Anonymous No.3596120]

>>3595898
Trust me, even the natives aren't missing anything despite being able to read their own material.

[Anonymous No.3596145]

>>3589187
weebsite

[Anonymous No.3596327]

Tell me how to draw like this Loomis was a fucking meme

[Anonymous No.3596335]

>>3596327
the fuck wrong with their hair?

[Anonymous No.3596337]

> LOOMIS IS A FUCKING MEME

[Anonymous No.3596500]

>>3588717
I mean, it's not that hard to draw cartoons

[Anonymous No.3596529]

>>3596120
my logic is, i dont want it to be "easy" in any sense. im working to challenge myself to the max. but i get where u coming from.
>>3595926
and besides being an autismo, why was this a necessary insult?

[Anonymous No.3596568]

>>3596500

post work

[Anonymous No.3596583]

>people thinking Loomis' method is a hard rule you have to follow every time you draw
NO RULES JUST TOOLS

[Anonymous No.3596584]

>>3596583
Finally someone uses Vilppu's catchphrase correctly ffs

[Anonymous No.3596705]

>>3596337
show your loomis cuntstruction then fag

[Anonymous No.3596707]

>>3596337
You've convinced me anon
brb grinding loomis

[Anonymous No.3596859]

>>3596337
but that and the previous drawing both were done using construction techniques that either are derived from or similar to loomis. all that is different is how the features are stylised.

[Anonymous No.3596860]

>>3596859
that's the point, smartio

[Anonymous No.3596867]

>>3596568
You want me to draw some cartoons?
Sure I guess
Wait like 15 minutes

[Anonymous No.3596882]

>>3596568
Here, under 15 minutes, using a mouse

[Anonymous No.3596895]

>>3596335
that's their ahoges and only protagonists usually have them in their series

[Anonymous No.3596902]

>>3596882
>shit drawing while trying to hide behind these excuses
yikes
post your best "cartoon" portfolio piece

[Anonymous No.3596904]

>>3596902
What's shit about it?

[Anonymous No.3596908]

>>3596904
Poor proportion, ugly linework, wobbly construction

[Anonymous No.3596909]

>>3596908
I see
Would studying anatomy and Lumos help me regarding the right proportions?

[Anonymous No.3596911]

>>3596882
Not to pile on you, but it is not a great drawing and it's also not good to preface shit with excuses. If you're not showing work you consider good/well done, you're better off just walking away desu.

[Anonymous No.3596915]

>>3596909
No, loomis will help you learn structure and anatomy, but learning anime proportions can only be internalized by studying your favourite artists. You can find generic anime proportion charts, but they're useless imo because they're really subjective and every artist have a different approach.

[Anonymous No.3596921]

>>3596915
Actually I am more interested in kind of semi realistic to realistic style
Any recommendations

[Anonymous No.3596940]

>>3596921
most figure book are about realistic style

[Anonymous No.3596941]

>>3596940
Any video regarding anatomy in art?

[Anonymous No.3596982]

>>3596941
Do you want us to spoon feed you? Get on YouTube and look it up. It's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.3596994]

>>3596941
try proko

[Anonymous No.3597186]

>>3589897
if we re did the loomis book like this, and changed characters for anime.
we would probably get a lot less do I need loomis to draw anime threads.

[Anonymous No.3597214]

>>3588717
>Commit kys
>Reborn as Japanese

Worked for me.

[Anonymous No.3597650]

>>3589293
because the average white person under 40 is not of germanic descent, while the average white person over 40 is, and those are germanic features.
In the 70s and 80s a lot of other europeans emmigrated to the states, and a lot of the english families who used to be modestly rich had found themselves now just middle class and started breeding with regular class people.
As a result, a lot of the white babies born in the late 70s to, well, now look english or eastern european.
This is why the very concept of "white" is a meme.

[Anonymous No.3597663]

>>3597650
>Germanic
>Anglo
>Slavic
>because these people have interbred in America there is no longer a race of "whites" therefore "white" is a meme
You fucking what m8? Grossly off-topic, but, what the fuck m8? Kys. All responding to a shitty bait post. Smh.

[Anonymous No.3599796]

>>3589293
Pedo detected, holy shit.

>>3597650
>genetics are a meme
Imagine being this stupid.

[Anonymous No.3599833]

how do you draw a 3/4 anime face
it's so simple but mine always looks off

[Anonymous No.3600034]

>>3599833
loomis but eyes are lower and bigger and jawbone is not as defined

[Anonymous No.3600328]

>>3588790
its so damn obvious its a non Japanese person, I could tell from the thumbnail even, I don't even know what it is though? how come its so easy to tell?? what is happening...?

[Anonymous No.3600331]

>>3588852
this is amazing superior to loomis in every way.
white man cant compete.

[Anonymous No.3600335]

>>3590290
ahh yes, you seem to have a case of the common 'sameface' disease.
might wanna get that checked anon.

[Anonymous No.3600339]

>>3588717
It's a little bit Loomis, a little bit basic drawing fundamentals, a little bit figure drawing, a little bit of copying anime drawings, and a whole lot of attempts to apply it all together.

[Anonymous No.3600340]

>>3600328
Instead of the typical "loomis" response, here's the truth:

- study anime artists
- and do loomis

There ya go.

[Anonymous No.3600375]

>>3588717
Okay, I'll give you a step by step.

1. Spend 2-3 years learning Japanese then only think in japanese, this will change your thought patterns.

2. You must narrow your eyes, squint damn you! The visual information sent to your brain will be vastly different. Lines will become more obvious to you and perspective will be a breeze.

3. You must move to Japan and cut yourself off from everybody. Including other Japanese as much as possible. This is how the Japanese live and it will reinforce your skill, dedication and discipline.

Now 4-7 years will have likely passed and you can focus fully on drawing. You'll be able to draw in this style without the slightest bit of effort. Congratulations.

I'm sorry about how long this is going to take, but these steps are normally a closely guarded secret, so I'm taking a real risk here.

[Anonymous No.3600415]

>>3588717
Copy the entire Yoh Yoshinari sketch book.

[Anonymous No.3600446]

>>3588717

[Anonymous No.3600491]

This thread is full of japanese books people are calling great, and yet they're just the same techniques Loomis teaches.

[Anonymous No.3600496]

>>3594509
>>3593442
Is this uploaded yet? Or at least a link where I can buy it

[Anonymous No.3600514]

>>3600491
Thinking is a skill, and most people are bad at it. Anyone with a basic grasp of fundamentals should be able to draw anime after a couple days worth of analysis and replication.

[Anonymous No.3600515]

>>3600514
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who call loomis a meme.

[Anonymous No.3600535]

>>3588962
absolutely dumb ass math shit that makes no sense, but the overall message I agree with 100%

[Anonymous No.3600590]

study the spine and how the ribcage plus pelvis react to it moving. then study how muscles react to it

[Anonymous No.3600600]

Learn female anatomy and then completely deform the character's face

[Anonymous No.3600611]

>>3591762
White girl without big jaws master race

[Anonymous No.3600647]

[Anonymous No.3600653]

>>3600415
That fag has zero range
He draws the same powerpuff girl / Le angry guy every time

[Anonymous No.3600698]

>>3600514
Post your anime, fucking retard

[Anonymous No.3600728]

>>3588717
Okay.

You draw a girl, except you leave out the nose, cheekbones and other facial details and replace them with huge anime eyes and the faintest suggestion of a mouth.

[Anonymous No.3600738]

>>3588717
>insulting loomis
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.3600743]

>>3596337
What can I read to learn to draw hair like this?

[Anonymous No.3600753]

>>3600653
That's my dream, for my art book to get published and random anons like you on /ic/ can say how bad the anatomy is while I made it.

[Anonymous No.3600754]

>>3600743
Study it and try to draw it from different angles. Figure out how it works in 3d.

[Anonymous No.3600762]

>>3600754
I mean a guide to that particular style, not just hair in general

[Anonymous No.3600800]

>>3600762
What I said should guide you to doing just that! If you try and draw it from different angles, you will think about that hair in terms of 3d and can then draw that style at any angle.

[Anonymous No.3600972]

>>3589141
I can't believe a share a board with people like you

[Anonymous No.3600972,1]

Someone Got Stonehouse anatomy?

It's been EONS since the last time I saw some Scan page.