/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.2695717]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.

AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a question thread for that.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead (also images shouldn't come out accidentally sideways with this method)

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Old Thread: >>2692579

[Anonymous No.2695718]

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[Anonymous No.2695724]

Reposting from past thread
1/2

[Anonymous No.2695725]

>>2695724
2/2

[Anonymous No.2695750]

[Anonymous No.2695751]

>>2695718
>>2695722
Next time you make a beginner thread, pick photos that are good for beginners to study. These two are too difficult for beginners imo, and even >>2695720 is a bit tough for most probably.

[Anonymous No.2695762]

more gestures

[Anonymous No.2695767]

>>2695750
lineworks actually good but your anatomy is all kinds of fucked. arms are too short for example and that back leg seems to be stretched back really unnaturally

[Anonymous No.2695770]

Messing around with values in this one to try and make a face. Anatomy/facial placement not up to snuff but I tried because of my lack of good construction. Any tips or redline on how the face should be in this angle would be helpful.

[Anonymous No.2695777]

Tried to do some """studies""" sorta. First one came out alright but then the second ehh. Should probably go back to reading some books.

[Anonymous No.2695778]

>>2695770
Looks good actually drawing-wise. I would just be careful with the values to not go too heavy on the highlights.

[Anonymous No.2695780]

>>2695673
I'm gonna call this done. Crits?

[Anonymous No.2695788]

>>2695777
I don't want to be rude, but is that Nicolas Cage on the right?

[Anonymous No.2695790]

>>2695778
Thanks! This helped greatly.

[Anonymous No.2695799]

>>2695780
I love Jin Roh man, such a great movie. I think your painting is a good start, but it seems like it's unfinished or lacking somehow. I think it feels a bit washed out, and then it feels very flat. So I tried to add some more variety to it. I broke up the background shapes to have some smoke, and some warmer areas like maybe from fire. It's darker for more mood.

The armor you painted with one brush size, so I tried to get a bit more variety in there, and also tried to make the material look shinier.

Story-wise the image is lacking. the side view and flat background and lack of a pose mean it seems like nothing is happening. It's a bit cheesy but I had him pointing a gun at an unseen person in the smoke so there is some mystery and action, and I turned his head away from us very slightly so that there is not a complete side view which tends to feel a bit artificial at times.

[Anonymous No.2695802]

>>2695799
Thanks a lot, man.

[Anonymous No.2695804]

>>2695788
KEK
Now I can't unsee. But now it isn't.

[Anonymous No.2695809]

[Anonymous No.2695810]

[Anonymous No.2696175]

What the shit am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.2696177]

Does the absolute beginner thread only exist so you guys can tell shitty artists to leave like all the other threads do with this thread?

[Anonymous No.2696190]

>>2696177
It exists because for some people want to post within the first 10 minutes of learning how to draw for some reason.

[Anonymous No.2696191]

rate my perspective lads

[Anonymous No.2696197]

I never get crit

[Anonymous No.2696204]

[Anonymous No.2696206]

>>2696204
Draw a box

[Anonymous No.2696208]

>>2696206
i'm afraid i won't be able to do the shadows on ir

[Anonymous No.2696217]

>>2696191
your faces are always terrifying

[Anonymous No.2696239]

>>2696197
is that a mummy?

[Anonymous No.2696245]

What's the best book to start with?

[Anonymous No.2696258]

before i go any further with this, does the chest area look off? It seems to be angled wrong but i can't really tell for sure

also the mouth is suppose to be an exaggerated version of Alfred Hitchcock's; this isn't suppose to be him however, i just wanted this guy to have a similar mouth

[Anonymous No.2696260]

>>2696245
https://noahbradley.com/8-great-anatomy-books-for-artists/

[Anonymous No.2696268]

>>2696208
hatch crosshatch

[Anonymous No.2696271]

>>2696258
if you knew how the chest worked realistically it would be easier to "stylize"

[Anonymous No.2696272]

>>2696260
>starting with anatomy

[Anonymous No.2696273]

>>2696239
what are you implying

[Anonymous No.2696277]

>>2696191
>lewd mode activate
stop it.

>>2695717
guys i just got a 6b lea but my lead holder only works with 2b.. can anyone recommend a 6b lead holder?

[Anonymous No.2696283]

>>2696271
do you have any suggestions on how to "add" fat on the torso and chest in a realistic manner?

[Anonymous No.2696284]

>>2696197
its to basic boss. giving you a crit would be a waste of time since you wont get it. go watch proko

[Anonymous No.2696288]

>>2696245
fun with a pencil and then how to draw by loomis. NOTHING ELSE, since you can get them online its not like you have to buy them, go check the book thread. draw shapes in all perspective angles, learn to shade them as you go along the road begin slowly drawing anatomy, you NEED to know how to mimic shapes before knowing anatomy or it will all be correct but flat.

[Anonymous No.2696298]

>>2696175
I did a repaint for you, but it isn't the best, but basically, you're supposed to be painting the values to pronounce the forms around the pear and the apple. The shadows/mid tones/highlights should fit around the pear and apple, while yours makes it flat. Your textures also seem to be just "painted on" instead of following the form of the object, as shown in the apple. Basically think about the form you are painting and lay it down as a 3D object and not 2D object.

[Anonymous No.2696300]

>>2696298
always liked that unfinished splashy feel this "style" add to it. is that a normal round brush?

[Anonymous No.2696303]

>>2696300
Yes, it's a normal round with opacity pressure. I'm using Krita for it.

[Anonymous No.2696305]

Some gesture drawings i did off a website for my animation class

[Anonymous No.2696315]

>>2696305
blog?

[Anonymous No.2696316]

>>2696298
So my issue is form? The paint job is okay?

[Anonymous No.2696320]

>>2696305
that's not gesture

[Anonymous No.2696322]

>>2696305
Too much construction in there for gestures, especially if you are in animation. Take a look at Vilppu and see how he approaches gestures, you should be doing something more in line with that, though it doesn't need to be exactly his method. Walt Stanchfield's Drawn to Life also has lots of great examples of gestures by animators in it.

[Anonymous No.2696326]

>>2696316
The paintjob was pretty good but you need to use darker values to differentiate the low, mid, and highlight tones so it can add to the form of what you're painting.

[Anonymous No.2696352]

Tell me what do you think

[Anonymous No.2696367]

>>2696352
sorry about the size

[Anonymous No.2696378]

>>2696175
That apple is elongated as hell. I tried it too, but it was hard without the reference, i might've bullshitted something.

[Anonymous No.2696379]

>>2696367
>>2696352
Stop ruining textbooks

[Anonymous No.2696394]

I've always had a hard time sketchign without these little pecks of the pencil. Everything looks so much worse when I draw the pencil out though.

[Anonymous No.2696428]

>>2695762
Do some line exercises so you stop doing scratchy drawings.

[Anonymous No.2696435]

any crits would be nice.

[Anonymous No.2696438]

>>2696367
I think the collarbones should jut out from the neck more.

[Anonymous No.2696442]

>>2696435
Top of the head looks misplaced, right eye isn't in line with the left and learn how the head sits on the neck.

[Anonymous No.2696444]

>>2696379
Looks like scrap paper, anon.

[Anonymous No.2696446]

>>2696435
>learn how the head sits on the neck.
that happens?

[Anonymous No.2696447]

[Anonymous No.2696450]

>>2696447
so many points, why work like this? it looks painful. 8\10 not Cuban enough

[Anonymous No.2696454]

>>2696450
i think i work like this to avoid fundamentals, but 8/10 is higher than i expected, thanks! idk if i got the not cuban enough

[Anonymous No.2696474]

>>2695762
It's just depressing how 99% of /ic/ doesn't understand what a gesture drawing is. Even the ones with good skills.

A gesture drawing is not a fucking contour drawing, or a figure drawing. If there are buttcheeks, nipples, navels, facial features, you aren't drawing the fucking gesture. Gesture is the flow of "energy" throughout the pose. Tilt, lean and twist. Similarly, a figure drawing with features removed =/= gesture.

[Anonymous No.2696477]

>>2696442
Hence the phrase "I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on".

[Anonymous No.2696478]

Here is an example, although a highly simplified one. Please learn the difference. While you can have some construction for perspective, etc, you should not be drawing in the fucking buttcheeks and nipples. Wait 45 seconds for the next layer you horny perverts.

[Anonymous No.2696480]

>>2696435
A little wonky in a few spots but to be honest, the best thing I've seen in the last couple /beg/ threads.

[morooster No.2696486]

we're back. is it acceptable? thinking of posting this to insta which is giving me some anxiety

[Anonymous No.2696489]

>>2696486
Yeah post it, it's not bad. You need to stop being so damn messy with your pencil strokes though.

[Anonymous No.2696493]

[morooster No.2696499]

>>2696489
it's hard not to when i have a pencil in my hand... as to why that is, fuck if i know. but ive been thinking of switching mediums anyways. thanks

[Anonymous No.2696542]

Haven't painted in awhile and wanted to try again. This is so hard.

[Anonymous No.2696616]

concept art for a friend's sexy farming game. crits pls

[Anonymous No.2696623]

>>2696616
I like it really. Does she have eyes though? What's it look like from under?

[Anonymous No.2696631]

>>2696542

The two big things I noticed is the leg beneath the hand is off, and the face has been flattened pretty badly.

[Anonymous No.2696644]

if you told a beginner he could only practise 4 things for a month, what 4 things would you say?

[Anonymous No.2696646]

>>2696644
Confident lines, values, proportion, perspective.

[Anonymous No.2696648]

>>2696644
What >>2696646 said
With just these, you can draw pretty much anything and it'll look good.

[Anonymous No.2696655]

>>2696646
what are your personal favourite guides for values, portions and perspective?

[Anonymous No.2696657]

>>2696655
Books motherfucker. You don't read guides you read books. Recommendations in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.2696658]

>>2696657
ok, which books then

[Anonymous No.2696663]

>>2696644

[Anonymous No.2696669]

>>2696623
thanks! i dont really know what I'm gonna do for the rest of her face, but I dont think im gonna give her eyes

[Anonymous No.2696679]

>>2695799
is this a joke? are these the people giving out advice on /ic/?

[Anonymous No.2696681]

>>2696394
Same goes for me, I think we both need to work hard until we don't have to rely on crutches like that.

[Anonymous No.2696682]

>>2696679
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.2696798]

figures. i want to turn this into a painting. i may just crop is so that its just centered on the figures. but right now the pool boy is finger banging the girl next to the pool. anything wrong with the figures/comp before i start another painting where the drawing is completely fucked?

[Anonymous No.2696830]

>>2696798
Is she reading an ipad? Legs look too small.

[Anonymous No.2696834]

how are these textures?

[Anonymous No.2696854]

>>2696277
a lead mine is a lead mine
if its the same diameter it will work

[Anonymous No.2696855]

>>2696834
>moon_phases_and_a_cacodemon.jpg

[Anonymous No.2696860]

>>2696834
Hmm i never thought to practice textures let alone critique them. Can't help you there anon, sorry.

[Anonymous No.2696879]

>>2696830
something like that. and yeah ill fix the legs. how is everything else? comp works?

>>2696860
>>2696834
here you go

[Anonymous No.2696887]

Crit on this?

Also how do I even shoes?

[Anonymous No.2696899]

>>2696887
his left shoulder/chest/back looks pretty fucked. like he literally worked his delts/lats on that side for a year longer than the other side some how. part of the problem with his feet is that the forward foot is twisted. see the toe line? should go the opposite direction and more of the heel should be hidden

[Anonymous No.2696901]

>>2696899
>>2696887

honestly i can see a bunch of other mistakes too.

[Anonymous No.2696902]

>>2696855
I giggled

[Anonymous No.2696916]

>>2696901
Please elaborate?

[Anonymous No.2696921]

>>2696916
waist is weird. he has a slight muffintop but the rest of his body implies low bf. the right arms upper arm is too small. could just be a style thing but his right up leg seems like it isnt shaped right or its too big. forearms too big in relation to upper arm.

[Anonymous No.2696929]

Question: How important is gesture?
I know it seems like a dumb question, but hear me out. I've been finding it easier to draw after studying books like Bridgman (which have little focus on gesture/rhythm) rather then other things like Villpu or Hampton (which have heavy focus on gesture/rhythm). All I'm asking is whether or not I should continue with what IS working and study Bridgman further or if I should just suck it up and give gesture drawing another try.

Also, Can I get some critique on pic related?

[Anonymous No.2696931]

>>2696929
Chicken scratch

Try going with the flow more

No more chicken scratch.

[Anonymous No.2696936]

>>2696929
those arent really gestures. go back and watch the proko vids. also supposedly figures look 'dead' if they arent based off a gesture. its sort of hard to explain

[Anonymous No.2696939]

>>2696921
I guess I'll try my best to tell you what I was attempting to do

>his left shoulder/chest/back looks pretty fucked

I guess we're not always in a symmetrical stance, was attempting to have the left side come up more, in doing that the pectorals had to follow through upwards and connect to the deltoid, same for the lats, connecting somewhere around the posterior delts.

>forward foot is twisted, should go the opposite direction and more of the heel should be hidden

Yeah I just suck dick at drawing feet

>has a slight muffintop

Obliques hidden by pants but if that's how it looks I guess I'm doing something wrong

>right arms upper arm is too small

It's twisted upwards, so instead of showing a front view of the biceps which would hide majority of the arm, it has a slight side view including a portion of the triceps

>forearms too big in relation to upper arm

In open palm shots, forearms tend to be wider will post ref for this

Even though I said all that I still acknowledge it doesn't look as anatomically correct as I intended it to be

[Anonymous No.2696943]

>>2696936
Sorry, I don't think I made it clear. They aren't meant to be gestures. I was mainly trying to make snazzy box figures with light anatomy attached.
Also, I know what you mean by looking dead, I'm just asking if the entire figure needs to be based off of gesture or if I can get away with minimal gesture and do figures like in the Bridgman books.

[Anonymous No.2696947]

>>2696939
Forearm ref

[Anonymous No.2696968]

>>2696887
Put a skeleton with correct proportions underneath that bulgy mess of a musculature and most of your problems will be solved.

>>2696929
>>2696943
Whew lad, how do I put this. Bridgman was very good with gesture, you just can't see it, 'cause he said it with his drawing instead of literally.

In drawing, there is a big golden rule you must always follow - work from simple to complex and remember that the further you get into drawing, the less important stuff you'll be dealing with.
Gesture is the very first thing you do when drawing the figure and it's also the most important one. The only way you can avoid it is if you don't draw the figure at all.

I suggest you lay off the most advanced anatomy book in the world and focus on something simple like Loomis, Proko or Drawabox.

Drawabox would be preferable, because it doesn't focus on figure drawing - and that's exactly what you need. Figure is impossible to grasp without learning the basics.

[Anonymous No.2696972]

So I haven't drawn shit for like 10+ years but my interest has returned.
What are some good practices for making shapes, lines etc?
How do I work away shaky lines, how do I form things without making tons of small fuzzy lines?
I draw only using my wrist most of the time because I haven't really tried anything else plus I generally have very little desk space - but what are important methods to learn instead?
I also assume that getting good at pen&paper is very important BEFORE starting to use a drawing tablet?

[Anonymous No.2696974]

>>2696972
Sounds like Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching videos would be right up your alley, search them up on youtube.

[Anonymous No.2696975]

>>2696974
I'll look it up, thank you.

[Anonymous No.2696978]

>>2696939
>I guess we're not always in a symmetrical stance, was attempting to have the left side come up more, in doing that the pectorals had to follow through upwards and connect to the deltoid, same for the lats, connecting somewhere around the posterior delts.

its literally not in proportion to his right side. see pic

>Obliques hidden by pants but if that's how it looks I guess I'm doing something wrong

even if your pic is supposed to be exaggerated, the obliques are in the wrong spot. it would be sorta helpful to have a navel for reference. i could be wrong about this though

>It's twisted upwards, so instead of showing a front view of the biceps which would hide majority of the arm, it has a slight side view including a portion of the triceps
>In open palm shots, forearms tend to be wider will post ref for this
doesnt really matter for this. if he's that bulkly his bi/tris still wouldnt be that small compared to the flat/wide plane of a supinated forearm.

[Anonymous No.2696983]

>>2696978
how that i look at it again you should also be showing a pinch on his right side to go with the tilted shoulders. like theres literally so much wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.2696987]

>>2696968
Is my stuff really so bad that it looks like I've skipped the basics? Either way thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.2697049]

okay i worked on this a bitter more and decided to add more figures so i could get more practice. so anything wrong with the composition or figures? i may add a girl floating on some thing in the background as well

[Anonymous No.2697050]

how dose it look?
will i make it?
how do i get rid of chicken scratch. what study should i do?
the symbol drawing is gone right?
curuntly doing construction on simple objects and shapes like the boxes.
my guestures are bad how do i become like this guy >>2696305

[Anonymous No.2697071]

Proud of these, been grinding out heads and fundies for a few weeks now. Making progress.

[Anonymous No.2697074]

>>2697071
Just for comparison this was a few weeks back.

[Anonymous No.2697090]

>>2696283
draw lots of fat people from photos or from life. visit walmart.

[Anonymous No.2697097]

>>2696284
le master trole

[Anonymous No.2697103]

>>2697050
Comic Sans

[Anonymous No.2697120]

>>2696197
fixed some stuff but still no idea how to feet

[Anonymous No.2697136]

>>2697050
>the symbol drawing is gone right?

[Anonymous No.2697152]

>>2696542
when you do references like youve done (attempting to copy) what i like to do in my mind is draw straight lines from parts of the reference image going vertical and sometimes horizontal. i drew some on the image for you and then put them on your drawing aligning the lines by the green line touching her left shoulder. this should show you where your perspective was wrong horizontally. if you drew horizontal lines it would show where you were wrong vertically.

[Anonymous No.2697181]

Started practicing drawing head today, how many should i draw before attemping adding face details? Drawing circles is fucking hard

[Anonymous No.2697193]

>>2697152
Neat, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2697197]

>>2697181
do it on paper and use your elbow and then go read some hampton

[Anonymous No.2697199]

>>2697181
peter han for drawing circles better

once you start thinking in 3d it'll become easier

[Anonymous No.2697204]

>>2697197
im already using my elbow, these are like 1/2 of the actual size i drawn them. Also why paper? On digital i can just delete the circle and draw it again 100times as slow as i need to get the perfect circle.

[Anonymous No.2697222]

>>2697204
Not a reason to not use paper.

[Anonymous No.2697224]

tried for a week now and holy fuck do I want to kill myself bad
i'm just gonna apply to a drawing class or something because I feel like shit after attemping to learn the basics by myself

[Anonymous No.2697225]

>>2697222
ok so you say, paper is better to practice technical stuff, but it actually doesnt matter what you use to actually start understanding how to draw stuff and actually see in 3d. So if i cant draw perfect line or perfect circle, because i didnt practice on paper, i dont care, all i care is actually learning to draw stuff i want. If i need il draw on paper, but right now, im satisfied with improving my other skills.

[Anonymous No.2697226]

Something's ridiculously uncanny about this; any tip-offs on how it could be improved?

[Anonymous No.2697227]

>>2697181
shit lines my man.

[Anonymous No.2697231]

>>2697227
ye i when i practiced this i placed myself on 2min limit for each head, and basically i had real trouble drawing somewhat circle looking circles.

[Anonymous No.2697234]

>>2697226
Here's another

[Anonymous No.2697236]

>>2697234
I made this trite as well

[Anonymous No.2697238]

>>2697234
More trite yet again

[Anonymous No.2697240]

>>2697238
Mind character from the mind called Kletus

[Anonymous No.2697241]

Anatomical question here. The brachialis is visible on both sides of the arm, or only on the outer side (pic related)?

[Anonymous No.2697243]

>>2697225
Dude, no one is gonna persuade to practice properly, it's your life. Practicing the basics of construction digitally is an awful idea and that's all I'm gonna say.

>>2697049
You're approaching this in a very, very inefficient way. Composition is absolutely excessive here. Heck, even figure drawing is excessive here. Do yourself a favor and learn to draw a straight line before tackling anything this complex. Visit Drawabox and start from there.

[Anonymous No.2697244]

>>2697226
Can anyone help me git gud?

[Anonymous No.2697246]

>>2697241
Both, but much more prominently on the outside.
This vid is surprisingly good, considering how shit the artist himself is.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tTGGcbklig&list=PLOq-SnwbtX9tN4GtqM4hEqBTgfeRETZ1z&index=2

[Anonymous No.2697248]

>>2697241
Technically it is visible on both sides, but on the inside of the arm it's only visible near the elbow a bit and very rarely does it have any form to it (it just looks flat pretty much). Sometimes on very ripped bodybuilders in some poses where they flex their arms you can see it on the inside near the elbow it will pop out a bit in a sort of small triangular shape, but mostly the biceps and triceps will be what you see.

[Anonymous No.2697251]

>>2696478
Anon, if that's a gesture, then a 5 year old kid is a gesture master.

Gesture implies drawing a person in a position. It doesn't matter if the person has nipples and buttcheeks or not.

[Anonymous No.2697254]

>>2697251
There's many ways to do gesture. That is basically the simplest way and it's not wrong, the arm's gesture is a sweeping motion down like that. This Kevin Chen image describes it in more detail.

[Anonymous No.2697258]

>>2697246
>>2697248
Thank you guys. And the video was really useful, considering i'm also strugglin with the elbow.

[Anonymous No.2697274]

[Anonymous No.2697277]

WIP

A penny to whoever guesses the inspiration

[Anonymous No.2697281]

>>2697277
c'mon, you're on /ic/

[Anonymous No.2697303]

>>2697281
Here you are

I love that painting, it's my favorite. Repin was a great artist

[Anonymous No.2697347]

from the previous thread
please help me

[Anonymous No.2697353]

>>2697347
No construction and symbol drawing. Loomis.

[Anonymous No.2697358]

>>2697353
oh yeah? post your work

[Anonymous No.2697375]

>>2696197
The most noticeable flaw in my eyes is implied spine on the figure. Attempt to move your own spine around and try different poses to get a feel for how it works, or even better, look up an anatomy video on the human spine.

[Anonymous No.2697388]

failed study
but just post it

[Anonymous No.2697389]

>>2697050
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

Do part 1 exercises to get rid of scratchy lines. The symbol drawing isn't gone, go read Fun with a Pencil and your boxes need to have straight parallel lines, e.g your bottom chest looks like the lid is curved because the lines aren't straight.

Also i love cock fridge raider is cute.

[Anonymous No.2697392]

>>2696834
I've read that when drawing textures it's important to know where and how much detail to use. The right one looks incredible busy since there is so much detail. Left one looks decent, as it tells you immediately that it's fur (or similar) because of the outline, and the minor details. Middle could use work I believe, but I am not familiar with how metal textures work so I can not give you an opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.2697396]

>>2697375
Shitty redline.. The spine isn't that bad, it's just that the rest of the figure doesn't follow it

[Anonymous No.2697397]

>>2697120
Stage left knee is inverted man

[Anonymous No.2697421]

>>2697388
Did you sketch the art with a pencil before using a pen?

[Anonymous No.2697430]

>>2697421
i use 0.3 mechanical pencil

i can see a many critical flaw in sketch,

i have to be more patience
because i sketch it so fast and fucked up shit

[Anonymous No.2697467]

how's my progress ic

this was 1-2 months ago, just starting out

[Anonymous No.2697468]

>>2697467
some sketches i just did

[Anonymous No.2697470]

>>2697353
what are those? how do i do it

[Anonymous No.2697472]

Realized too late that resolution was too low. Also the head is small

[Anonymous No.2697479]

>>2697470
STICKY. Start with a book called keys to drawing by bert dodson, then move on to a perspective book and then do fun with a pencil by andrew loomis. After that you can do more advanced perspective with Scott Robertson or do advanced figure drawing with more Loomis or Hampton. All this info and more is in the sticky so check it out famillian.

[Anonymous No.2697482]

>>2697243
what do you mean by "excessive"?

[Anonymous No.2697489]

>>2697243
>>2697482
i just googled "excessive composition" and "excessive figure drawing" and niether are actual things

[Anonymous No.2697491]

>>2697482
He's misusing the word but I think he was trying to say that you're attempting too much right now. I.E. do simpler shapes/forms before trying to do more complex stuff. The excessive composition thing doesn't make sense to me either.

[Anonymous No.2697533]

[Anonymous No.2697535]

[Anonymous No.2697547]

so is a gesture just a non-detailed scketch without using construction lines?

[Anonymous No.2697560]

what the fuck does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.2697592]

i feel like when i draw gestures i just draw a shittier version of the figure drawings i do normally.

am i not supposed to use my construction lines? what precisely are the differences between a gesture and a regular figure sketch? after watching the videos and reading the guides i still dont completely understand just what a gesture is meant to be.

maybe im just a sperg but someone help me out here.

[Anonymous No.2697596]

>>2697491
maybe i should break into two different studies then?

[Anonymous No.2697603]

>>2697560
It is the line of gesture for the form of the three balls combined.

[Anonymous No.2697606]

>>2697592
the differnce is you have like 30 seconds to draw the gesture, so basically you look at the reference and only have few seconds to draw the main motion features, you dont have time to think, you basically enter trance like state, when you manically draw gesture figure.

[Anonymous No.2697616]

>>2697606
but prokos videos says one can take up to 10 minutes.

>trance
this doesnt help, there is a mindset for everything.

>>2697603
but if someone just saw the line they wouldnt know that there were three spheres there, they would just think it were a pipe or something. i understand that the balls are laid out that way, but what about that line defines it as a gesture?

[Anonymous No.2697618]

>>2697616
Well, what you just said. It is the line that shows how the balls are laid out, that's what makes it a gesture. Like, that's pretty much all there is to it, maybe you are overthinking this.

[Anonymous No.2697620]

>>2697616
to learn draw correct gesture figures it can take years of practice even for masters.

And wth are you gonna draw for 10mins ? gesture is about basic body motion its about how the body is position, about where the weight is positioned, it doesnt concert itself with actual shape of reference (for example reference might be a fuck, but you still draw same gesture figure like always, you dont concert yourself with big dick or small dick or big tits or small tits, these are all countour features)

[Anonymous No.2697682]

>>2697533
>>2697535
what're those lines called again? architect lines? grid lines?

[Anonymous No.2697687]

>>2697533
i think you put the vanishing points a little too close together.

the right circle is bigger and it shouldnt be.

[Anonymous No.2697702]

>>2697616
>they wouldnt know that there were three spheres there, they would just think it were a pipe or something
Firstly, it's a heavily simplified version. Secondly, the purpose of gesture is not to tell you what the subject is. It's to show the flow/energy of the subject. It doesn't take 10 years on top of Mt Fuji to figure this out, so ignore the other anon. You just need it to "click" in your brain.

[Anonymous No.2697706]

>>2697702
>flow/energy
what counts as flow/energy?
what parts of a line define it as flow/energy?

[Anonymous No.2697714]

Smoked a little bit of crack while I worked on this.

[Anonymous No.2697715]

I think this went a little better the second pass

[Anonymous No.2697719]

>>2697715
the top one is the second one i did, i realized that was unclear as soon as i posted

[Anonymous No.2697727]

>>2697050
I like your drawings, anon.

[Anonymous No.2697730]

>>2697049
can get some help on this though i really want to get started on something even if its just the crop downing to the figures

[Anonymous No.2697738]

Fuck me /ic/ why am I so shit?
I'm on Keys to drawing and following it sorta, he's confusing explaining things at some point.

[Anonymous No.2697739]

>>2697738
Here's the reference

[Anonymous No.2697750]

>>2697103
i seriously did not expect this one....

>>2697389
thank you for telling me what i need to do. and the problem is i tried drawing it on the next page but i just couldnt draw a similar character with a face eating a serial.. it was a fucking disaster thats why i came here.

>>2697727
aww thanks

this is the first time i got positive comments form /ic/ see you guys in couple of weeks maybe

[Anonymous No.2697784]

>>2697715
and the female one

[Anonymous No.2697796]

>>2697468
what pencil hardness did you use?

[Anonymous No.2697798]

>>2697738
are you kidding?
I'm also on keys to drawing, but you are clearly symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.2697799]

>>2697796
2B for basically everything, occasionally 4B or 6B if I remembered to use them lel

[Anonymous No.2697810]

>>2697798
How am I symbol drawing?
Stop shitposting /Ic/ memes and actually contribute.

[Anonymous No.2697816]

>>2697750
Don't listen to anon, Fun with a Pencil is not a good book if you don't already think in 3D. Better to do more than 1 lesson of drawabox even if you don't submit the homework since he's going paywall now.

[Anonymous No.2697819]

[Anonymous No.2697824]

>>2697810
Sorry, don't mean to shitpost, it just hit me you have some of the same problems as me, and i was able to see them in your work. I tried to paint over in paint with my mouse, try to look at the differences. Your face especially stands out as "flat" and not 3 dimensional but keep in mind I'm also a art noob.

[Anonymous No.2697826]

>>2697824
Okay, yeah. I drew it without any guidance line or any of that, it was the midpoint exercise that I was doing. I was mainly trying to focus on the proportions but I guess I still fucked it.
Also I suck at faces
>not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.2697829]

>>2697826
>>not gonna make it
not with that attitude

[Anonymous No.2697830]

>>2697829
Here's another angle, I think that's what made it look flatter than it is.

[Anonymous No.2697831]

>>2697830
aw fuck me it rotated.

[Anonymous No.2697833]

>>2695799
I like the brooding mood more.

[Anonymous No.2697875]

Some 2 minute gesture/figure stuff.

[Anonymous No.2697877]

>>2697875
they have feels so thats good but all of them are a bit elongated so id work on proportions more

[Anonymous No.2697883]

>>2697877
I Duno what having feels means but the long bodies seem to be a common mistake of mine.
I usualy draw very slow and carefull bit by bit figures, two minutes make me rush it like hell.
Guess i just go draw more figures then and someday try the 2 minute thing again.

[Anonymous No.2697886]

>>2697883
they look alive and not like robots which is sort of an important thing for gestures and figure

[Anonymous No.2697887]

>>2695720
i tried

[Anonymous No.2697931]

Is this good for 1 year of trying to improve? Left is 2015 right is yesterday (sorry for shit quality, lighting in my room is garbage)

[Anonymous No.2697936]

I bought a kit and it came with charcoal pencils, so I quickly tried them out.
Any tips on how to work with the medium?
It's messy as hell, I looked like a miner when I was done.

[Anonymous No.2697945]

Just end this, critiq?

[Anonymous No.2698004]

Any tips for ?drawing faces with a no. Pencil or basic Ballpoint pen

[Anonymous No.2698044]

took me 25 mins

Critiques?

[Anonymous No.2698049]

>>2698044
Decent frogmonster

[Anonymous No.2698080]

>>2697945
That face is pretty flat.

[Anonymous No.2698101]

>>2697931
lurk more

[Anonymous No.2698132]

>>2697945
is that mel gibson?

[Anonymous No.2698134]

>>2697560
Ignore the picture, it's a terrible example for explaining gesture, Proko should have known better.

[Anonymous No.2698135]

>>2697931
for one year its terrible. for anime in one year its okay. in the end its your choice im just a fat faggot behind a keyboard.

[Anonymous No.2698139]

>>2697819
looks likes shes made of spaghetti

[Anonymous No.2698142]

>>2697347
ayy lmao.

[Anonymous No.2698148]

I got a bit of a problem here, im trying to paint a self portrait of me lying down, but i have to stand to paint it. How do i make it look as if im lying down?How fr up should the shoulders be?
Pose is basically the same as this girl now.

[Anonymous No.2698152]

>>2698148
take a picture

[Anonymous No.2698155]

>>2698044
Left eye is a bit too far down, viewable mouth is too wide

[Anonymous No.2698156]

>>2698152
i tried but i dont have enough distance to get a proper look.

[Anonymous No.2698165]

>>2697945

[Anonymous No.2698206]

>>2698044
Measure more, plan out your values better

Coming along

[Anonymous No.2698207]

>>2697706
watch proko's vids, he has like three videos explaining it

[Anonymous No.2698211]

Requesting "Draw with your eyes" sheet

[Anonymous No.2698214]

>>2698211
There you go.

[Anonymous No.2698215]

>>2698214
Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.2698234]

>>2698211
>>2698214
How can you draw with your eyes and not your mind if your eyes are drawn into your mind?

[Anonymous No.2698247]

>>2698234
cat please....

[Anonymous No.2698248]

so i got stuck
i started keys to drawing maybe 10 months ago, havent drawn for 6 months.
should i start form the beginning of the book, or continue from the last exercise i did?

[Anonymous No.2698254]

>>2698248
beginning

[Anonymous No.2698309]

>>2698132
Daim yes, I did not think that someone recognizes him.

[Anonymous No.2698311]

>>2698234
it's basically the task of "unlearning" like how the image outlines

[Anonymous No.2698331]

>>2697875
desu the elongatedness looks kind of aesthetically pleasing and i think you can chalk it down to personal style. its not necessarily wrong. only if you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.2698353]

back again. to that anon who i told id be swtiching mediums, i delivered.

[Anonymous No.2698355]

>>2698353
is that you. always wanted a long beard.

[Anonymous No.2698356]

>>2698355
youll find the real pic in the reference thread, but me too.
>tfw asian

[Anonymous No.2698359]

Anyone got guides for studying facial expressions?

[Anonymous No.2698361]

>>2698353
why that ear so high up? He's not looking down or anything?

[Anonymous No.2698374]

>>2698359
>get a mirror
>study facial expressions
You've got all the reference you need.

[Anonymous No.2698380]

what does ic think?

[Anonymous No.2698381]

>>2698380
I think it's shit and you haven't put any actual work into it. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2698383]

How do i properly measure stuff by using the thumb-on-pencil technique?

Sure, i can get the measurements that way, but how do i transfer the scale of the picture/model to the paper when the paper is obviously smaller?

Measurements are my total failure when copying from life.

[Anonymous No.2698385]

>>2698381
so any actual critique?

[Anonymous No.2698386]

>>2698385
It really is shit. Read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.2698389]

>>2698386
even i know its shit, but thats not what im asking you

[Anonymous No.2698390]

>>2698385
We can't offer any critique because your piece offers nothing to critique. You obviously haven't studied any fundamentals. What do you want us to say?

[Anonymous No.2698392]

i give up

how it do /ic/

[Anonymous No.2698393]

>>2698392

[Anonymous No.2698394]

>>2698390
i want you to be more specific

[Anonymous No.2698399]

>>2698380

Get Keys to Drawing and do the exercises in it.

Get simple objects, put them under a lamp, and draw them. A tissue box, book, etc.

Post the results and we can actually give you a critique.

People study for a very long time to draw accurate and appealing human figures. You need to have a good understanding of the various fundamental skills of art and anatomical recognition of the human body.

Start simple, with a beginner book, and we can give you advice. There is really nothing specific anyone can tell you for this picture that would be of benefit to you.

[Anonymous No.2698403]

>>2698380
you didn't put any thought into the characters design

[Anonymous No.2698406]

>>2698399
alright, thanks man

[Anonymous No.2698411]

after a few months of painting this is the best ive done so far

[Anonymous No.2698419]

>>2698411
needs more loomis, but the colors are not bad at all. the greens are very nice.

[Anonymous No.2698421]

>>2698411
pretty good, but you need to get a more discerning eye for the purposes of tightening shit up.

[Anonymous No.2698433]

>>2698392
>>2698393
Not bad, you can spot most of the mistakes while flicking two images. Face is too wide overall, nostrils are too far up, eyelids are open jsut too much, top of the head is too wide, the shape of the nose is different. Try looking at some other views of this bust and you'll see how elements relate to each other better.

There's also an issue of local tones, you values are slightly off, especially at the bottom of the face. The brightest plane will be closest to the light, much as the darkest shadow, the rest is less contrasty and fits in the spectrum between the two. Always compare your values, which is really easy with the planes. Top of the cheek under the eye is brighter than everything under it, reflected light is never brighter than the direct light and so on.

Also, looking at the base, i suggest you draw some drinking glasses, cups or something similar. Don't bother with tone or reflections or any of that shit, jsut do the shapes in perspective, look how open the ellipses are.

Have a quick shitty paintover on me.

This is why practicing from life is better, you can look what goes where easily.

Glad somebody is doing proper studies, instead of fucking photocopying.

[Anonymous No.2698440]

Here's some more views if any other anon wants to actually improve.

[Anonymous No.2698443]

>>2698440
Saved, thanks.

>>2697936
Bumping, looking for info and tips on charcoal pencils.

[Anonymous No.2698453]

>beginner thread
>people posting pics and asking for genuine help
>anons telling them its shit cause they're not magic the gathering cards
Why do I go on this site again?

[Anonymous No.2698456]

>>2698453
Get the fuck out then.

[Anonymous No.2698458]

>>2698456
Oooo someone's angry, what happened? Did your Photoshop cc subscription run out because mummy cant afford it anymore? Had to resort to Paint Tool Sai? Waaah wah

[Anonymous No.2698460]

>>2698458
Excuse me? Do you need help anon, do you smell toast?

[Anonymous No.2698471]

>>2698383

[Anonymous No.2698474]

Question: Do I have to practice all those lines and boxes every day? There's so many different ways to do things I can't choose which one to do.Some places say I should just draw from life and others say I should learn perspective and then anatomy and then I see something that says I shouldn't learn perspective first. I should just give up right?

[Anonymous No.2698475]

>>2698458
>Photoshop cc subscription
fucking lold

[Anonymous No.2698488]

PLEASE HOW DO I GIT GUD AT DRAWING KAWAI ANIMU FACES. I'm so bad at eyes. Everything else looks fine, but the eyes are always wonky, out of place, never good enough. Any tips please, I don't want to draw like Loomis, but something stylized like pic related... is loomis the way here? Do I just try to replicate the artist I like over and over again? I'm willing to try but I don't know which path to follow. All the "how to draw anime face" tutorials I find are either bad or only one type of pose. Sometimes my sketch looks okay then I lineart and it looks bad...

[Anonymous No.2698490]

>>2698488
>6 fingers

[Anonymous No.2698493]

>>2698490
Ok but HOW to make cute eyes like this

[Anonymous No.2698498]

>>2698488
>those lips
fucking terrifying.

>PLEASE HOW DO I GIT GUD AT DRAWING KAWAI ANIMU FACES.
copy, copy, copy. structure comes from the mind. style comes from the source.
and I think you already know this but... style really isn't an issue if your original structure is great. the faces are the ridiculously easy parts.

[Anonymous No.2698501]

Quick sketch from imagination

Am I making it?

[Anonymous No.2698507]

>>2698493
you learn to draw em..... try copying a few styles of people you like or learn real eyes and stylize them when you master them.

[Anonymous No.2698521]

>>2698493
That is a completely different stylisation, age of person, etc... .

Also, the iris are more like cameras in the style you want to replicate.

So your method to render doesn't work at all for what you want.

If you lack good sources, there is the japanese moe bishoujo book series and similar stuff. some of them deal with digital drawing properly (moe bishoujo chara no tsukuri kata.) The book also shows how to make proper lineart before coloring.

Also, you need to understand how the person stylises real life. No, you don't need to draw from life, but that guy had a certain body type and face type in mind when he drew what he drew and he really thought every line through to bring that out.

[Anonymous No.2698528]

>>2698501
You're gonna make it... right into the beginner thread.

Scratchy lines, fucked proportions, symbol drawing, etc. You need loomis or if you don't want that, at least understand the planes of the face and practice drawing and combining 3d shapes

[Anonymous No.2698533]

>>2698528
Sorry I'm fucking retarded I thought this was the draw thread

But still the advice should still stand

[Anonymous No.2698559]

>>2698474
It's good to have peter han's exercises them as a warmup to sort of get your mind into drawing mode.

[Anonymous No.2698565]

>>2698383
when you're doing the technique, you make a mental note of the RELATIVE distances from one point to another (example: nipple to bellybutton) and use that as a guideline for making correct proportions. You're not literally sitcking your thumb onto your canvas.

[Anonymous No.2698578]

help me out bros, any guides would u recommend?

[Anonymous No.2698586]

>>2698433
i love you man, thanks a lot for the advice

i was wondering if anyone could answer this: if i'm trying to get better at value, is it important to approach shading as if i'm doing bargue drawings? or is getting the general idea down satisfactory for now?

i don't wanna waste too much time when i could be getting more mileage

[Anonymous No.2698588]

Realistic cartoon attempt

[Anonymous No.2698593]

Straighten me up. How's my construction?

[Anonymous No.2698598]

How do you guys figure out what to draw every day?

[Anonymous No.2698608]

>>2698593
Pretty good, man.

[Anonymous No.2698628]

any feedback is appreciated

[Anonymous No.2698684]

>>2698578
gesture etc.

[Anonymous No.2698692]

>>2698628
10/10
Requesting more

[Anonymous No.2698697]

>>2698148
pls i need to know

[Anonymous No.2698701]

What am I doing wrong and what can I do right?

[Anonymous No.2698704]

Construction is THE biggest thing in making my art not look like shit, right?

I've been on/ff with drawing people for a while. But I can never really get passed drawing a face. It's the features that wrecked me. Maybe it's because I was drawing too small or something, but it always looked like shit.

[Anonymous No.2698705]

>>2695717
Anybody else just garbage at coloring? Prismacolor marker, colored pencil, watercolor?

I can draw okay, getting better at pen, but my coloring sucks shit. Always looks like a five year old did it.

Any tutorials on traditional coloring?

[Anonymous No.2698713]

>>2698588
I'm sure I could see all the details in this non resized image you got there

[Anonymous No.2698730]

>>2698701
stop drawing cartoons and drawing form your head.

start drawing life figures/objects.

stay away form painting. you're not ready for painting.

[Anonymous No.2698732]

>>2698705
I need help with this too

[Anonymous No.2698735]

>>2698730
This is not a cartoon, is a still life with pic related and a book, really done from life

[Anonymous No.2698748]

[Anonymous No.2698750]

>>2698735
Doesn't look like a still life. You need to observe a lot closer what the values and colour and shapes are.

[Anonymous No.2698752]

>>2697071
Great improvement. Keep it up man!

[Anonymous No.2698765]

>>2698735
Okay go fuck yourself you dumb cunt. You suck.

[Anonymous No.2698781]

>>2697816
>since he's going paywall
but why?

[Anonymous No.2698832]

>>2698735
>funko
>drawing funko
>non-english boon
Kill yourself. Literally kill yourself and never post again.

[Anonymous No.2698835]

>>2695717
Is this color combination bad? pls god crit me

[Anonymous No.2698848]

>>2698838
>>2698838
>>2698838

NEW THREAD

>>2698838
>>2698838
>>2698838

[Anonymous No.2698877]

>>2697547
>>2696478

[Anonymous No.2698884]

>>2698781
I don't think he's actually putting content behind a paywall, he's charging money for critiques.

[Anonymous No.2698892]

>>2698832
>>2698765

[Anonymous No.2699588]

>>2698234
How can we draw with our eyes if our eyes aren't real?

[Anonymous No.2700183]

>>2697397
it's not though

[Anonymous No.2701061]

just tell what am i doing wrong pls
and probably help on witch book to get

[Anonymous No.2701134]

certain artstyles change body proportions.
is it correct for one person learning a certain art style to learn from reality then modify, or learn entirely from the artstyle they want to draw in?