Degenerate Artist Q & A

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061607]

Browsing /ic/ seems a lonely place for studio artists,

It says "Artwork/Critique" but all I see is a mish mash of the Malaysian cartoon boards ripping on each others fan art and regurgitating stale arguments against modernism only a STEM major could love.

I see hints of genuine interest in fine art but most responses tow the line of:

>get a marketable skill like drafting
>read teh w/ic/i n lrn 2 draw
>modern art is an abc black op

While game development, illustration, animation, and Burmese cartoons are all art in their own respect, I think there is also room for the studio artists who aren't triggered helpless by modern art to grow and learn here.

So where's the studio artists at

I thought a nice way to start carving a niche would be to offer my own honest experiences in the art world as a young working/exhibiting artist, and perhaps dispel some myths or misunderstandings of the art world's mechanics for those who want to engage this world professionally but are constantly mobbed here by jaded faggots.

What are my qualifications to administer this Q & A?

>BFA
>5 years in the trenches
>25-30 exhibitions under my belt
>ran an alternative gallery
>professionally represented by commercial gallery

I think it adds up to getting my feet wet in a few of the puddles in different areas of the industry.

>pls respond.

[Anonymous No.2061612]

You are in for a huge disappointment if you think this is the place for studio artists and related discussion.

Don't even waste your time. This board has tunnel vision towards generic fantasy illustration and concept art.

[Anonymous No.2061617]

>>2061607
Have you ever studied at an atelier? How long? What was it like?

Describe your style (or post art)

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061623]

>>2061612
I know that, but there are practicing/aspiring fine artists on here somewhere. Hanging out with other artists is how I was introduced to 4chan.

There literally isn't any other place to go. Reddit's (i know) interface sucks and is only for sharing links and voting, larger art forums are strictly concept art. At least /ic/ is "visual art is discussed"

[Anonymous No.2061624]

>>2061607

Post your work so I can decide wether I give a shit about anything you have to say or not. Your bfa, your gallery representation, and your ten million exhibitions are completely meaningless.

[Anonymous No.2061626]

>>2061624
Seconding this. Anyone can say they have a degree, or that they're accomplished, or even that I've sold a painting for a million dollars to some retarded rich assholes.

Let your work speak for itself.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061631]

>>2061617
No, I went to a University. It was 4 years and grueling but a lot of fun too.

I know people who have gone to atelier's and hung around one in. I think by contrast they're more of a technical school as opposed to a University balancing studio and contemporary academic theory.

I'm not going to post any images, i'd rather be anonymous. Style? that's a million dollar question. I'm influenced by French impressionists, German expressionists, and American modernists.

[Anonymous No.2061632]

>>2061631
>I'm not going to post any images, i'd rather be anonymous.
Into the trash it goes. Thanks for the waste of time you pussy.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061633]

>>2061624
it's real world experience not authority

it's an anonymous image board im not posting images

you sound like you don't need any help

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061634]

>>2061626
yes anyone can say that, but this isn't a self promotion thread >>2043576

>>2061632
ok

[Anonymous No.2061658]

>>2061633
>im not posting images

into the hide with this

>you sound like you don't need any help

that's correct.

[Anonymous No.2061661]

>>2061607
ITT- shit ''artist'' that figured out he won't reach fame with his art tries to get some fake attention on a Malaysian role playing games forum with fake stories about the size of his dick.
>I prefer to stay anonymous
So why did you start a Q&A thread and tried to make yourself look better than other artists in here?
1/9001 made me reply

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061663]

>>2061658
>it just keeps posting

[Anonymous No.2061676]

Lead by example, not by silly threads.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061687]

>>2061661
>won't reach fame with his art
how do you know i'm not a grill
>get fake attention
im looking for other artists who would like to maximize productivity by keeping their head in the game when burning time on 4chan.
>Malaysian role playing games forum
well meme'd
>look better
if I came here and said "I know a lot about Maya" would you say "hurr stop showing off"

Like most artists, I had to navigate a lot of bullshit from scratch alone. It's a competitive job and people generally don't want anyone nipping their heels because they told them a secret. If someone wants to be internet famous, fine, i don't know anything about that. But, if anyone wants to troubleshoot real world shit I've worked on that, screwed up some things, and found others to work well.

[Anonymous No.2061690]

>>2061687
I appreciate what you're trying to do OP, but you're acting like a baby. You're just saying a bunch of words without actually sharing the insight you claim to have.

[Anonymous No.2061691]

Do you make a living from it

[Anonymous No.2061694]

I'm not a filthy Anglo, and I don't really know the terminology, but you're a traditional painter living off of exhibitions, right?

Can you tell us anything about how it works?
How do you earn money?
Are you locally tied, or does your art earn you income from around the globe?
How active are you in the art/gallery social scene? Does your work get you acquainted with other artists? What about other kinds of artists (sculptors, violinists, etc)? What about other contacts?
Is it a hard life? Any general advice?

[Anonymous No.2061696]

>>2061607
1)Do you think that your works deserve to be shown at MoMA or somewhere as huge and authoritative like Tate or maybe you think that those are just corrupted pieces of shit run by jew-lizards? 2)Where your works were already shown, how big and influental those galleries was? 3)How financially stable you are and which country do
you live in? Average price for your artwork? 4)How do you even got the opportunity to show your work in gallery and how hard is to get into that all, is it even possible to do without uni? 5)Do you have to pay to get a show somewhere and if so is it always worth? What are requirements to be represented in gallery?

[Anonymous No.2061711]

is op died?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061714]

>>2061690
>just saying a bunch of words
true, i'm not really sure where to start without a question

>>2061691
yes, but you have to qualify living. sales are rare and I make up the rest being frugal.

projected earnings this year ~5-10k

a garden, rifle, and fishing pole help.

>>2061694
>traditional
not really, but painting and sculpture specifically
>how it works
I banded together with a few other artists and started staging exhibitions in available space, sending press releases to papers and blogs, and at critical mass it started to pay. Showing up to everyone elses exhibits was arguably key
>money
from selling works. mostly to other artists who recently sold somthing to someone else. Selling to rich collectors is a matter of being on their radar and that's a social circle thing. I'm not really cut out for that, I tried, but don't have much in common.
>locally tied/global
I started locally in my city of origin but moved later to an isolated area and just send work to the gallery or go back to do exhibitions. Global would be nice but I never spent much time abroad to make connections. I know people in other parts of the world like Berlin and they spent years getting set up there, now they're global. Because Berlin, like NY and LA are global cities with people filtering in and out looking for connections. My city was.. not global, but improving.

cont.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061736]

>>2061694

>contacts
I was very active, its a job. I put in 8hrs a day and then the rest of the night at bars talking art and trying to work deals. Everyone in the arts is a potential friend and showing up for exhibitions and shaking hands goes a long way. They are the ones who will invite you to exhibit or mention you to others who will. I knew performers, musicians and theatre people but there was no overlap in terms of collaboration at the time.
>life
yes it's hard but i tried working at a job once and it was worse.
>advice
There are social butterfly gonna make you big playboys that are worse than heroin dealers. They won't kill you but you might get screwed and think "I should have seen that coming."

>>2061696
>1
deserve? no. There are a good deal of museums that are trying to up the ante with young artists and end up with underconsidered exhibitions that don't seem to reflect what their budgets and produce. Maybe not jew lizards but definitely the kind of people who tweet doge on official twitter accts to stay relevant. kind of the same logic they use for some of the shows.
>2
I'm not going to say specifically but I started showing in friends spaces (we ran our own galleries and showed at eachothers). Those gained notoriety in a grassroots sense, and other galleries and institutions picked us up. No where hot hot but since we were all coming up together time will tell.
>3
United States, financially stable for my lifestyle, I have a maxed CC. Works sold avg $800.

cont.>>2061711 im slow i no

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061750]

>>2061696
>4
Like I said I started by starting my own gallery, in my studio (actually apt). We just did everything a normal gallery does: write press releases, send them to media, make postcards, mail them to other galleries... people we dont even know, hang the show nice, have booze, dress sharp, tada - hang out for three hours. All the established galleries had that we didn't was patorns. We hypothesized that if we threw exhibitions up fast enough (normal span 6-8 wks we did 1-2wks a piece) then by name recognition people would take notice, and that's what happened. It sucks to run around to other galleries submitting slides or paying entry fees or worse donating to charity auctions. It's expensive, and you get cheated all the time. diy is much better. and faster I think.

I don't think college in necessary. It's all talking and sharing, like here, but controlled more. I think free or collective based universities are starting to pop up alot of places and that seems to me advantageous for people growing up (or grown) now.

>5
I think I hit a couple of these above but...

Galleries look for a demonstration of market value. Like it sold before, so it'll sell again. personally I just got hit up at a solo show that had a good opening night. I don't think it was a good Idea b/c I don't think my marketability was actually demonstrated. Now if I don't sell I'm boning someone elses investment. Also I have to give them half of sales. So if I want 500 then its got to sell for 1000 and you can see where that gets tricky.

[Anonymous No.2061759]

Q. How often do you have homosexual urges? be honest.

[Anonymous No.2061762]

Have you ever sold work online, on websites such as saatchiart ?
I don't have a degree and I don't know any other artists, does this make it harder for me to sell paintings?
Please post work OP pls, or at least give a verbal description of it.

[Anonymous No.2061764]

Thanks for these.

When you say "not really traditional", what do you mean? Do you work digitally?

What art movement/style would you say your work belongs to?

How good would you say you are? I know it's a dumb question, but I'd appreciate some more context to this.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061766]

>>2061750
>a note on galleries
they're businesses with limited space. a really big gallery might have 20 slots for artists that they can actually put time into promoting. when they do open calls they might get 1000 works at 25$ a submission and take 100 works from 75 artists they can't even begin to promote. It's a fundraiser.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061792]

>>2061759
gross. never.
>>2061762
No, I haven't. Some stuff ended up on artsy.net but sales go through the gallery. I'm sure it works if you put in the time but I think it's like any other online business making connnections like on etsy you have to make lists n shit, I just worked on local face to face stuff. It would be harder, I guess you need to find a venue. If that's what you mean by saatchi, If they do PMing or commenting sending others emails and stuff about work can really endear people to you. I had first year uni student email me recently, I would have never known him if he hadn't and i'm trying to help him find a place to show in my old city. He's young and didn't have much to show me but I'll watch him and help if I can. I was just flattered he asked.

im looking for a picture of somthing I never showed and don't expect to come back.

>>2061764
no, I paint and make sculptures n stuff. mostly goofy borderline abstract paintings and sculptures that are worked to mimic found objects.

I think movements are recognized in retrospect. Some declare movements, but I think nowadays the cacophony of the internet makes the point moot. For example the "post-internet" movement is I think a joke on making shit up on the internet and a comment on the democracy and speed of content generation. Time will tell if the name sticks, like new tech in rap videos, who the fuck has an ipod anymore?

i think i'm fine, it works for me. I measure my and my peers success on hanging in there and not quitting tbh. Lots of art i don't like is successful but i have to admire persistence, even cock sucking is impressive, as long as it's not lizard cock.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061798]

>>2061792
>If they do PMing or commenting sending others emails and stuff about work can really endear people to you.

aw shit that's not english

I mean contacting other artists online and just striking conversations goes a long way.

i emailed this guy http://www.acmelosangeles.com/artists/tomory-dodge/ when I was in school with like 25 questions out of the blue and he answered all of them.

[Anonymous No.2061809]

>I think there is also room for the studio artists who aren't triggered helpless by modern art to grow and learn here.

Criticism of the kind of art exhibited by the highly trained professionals featured in this image included is from all appearances entirely arbitrary and really just boils down to subjectivity, whether one "likes it" or "does not"-with all of the same flippancy that went into the artwork's creation. The only way these people could "grow" any more in their field is to "grow up"-to realize that they are not special snowflakes, and that their shitty photographs and asinine scribbles are no more original than the fantasy and sci-fi "kitsch" they have the audacity to criticize.

>muh exhibitions

Who cares lol? In this nihilistic wasteland they will literally exhibit anything. Congratulations on being a cog in the degeneracy choo choo train nigga. The whole charade needs a host of useful idiots to perpetuate itself and it seems you've against all odds proven yourself worthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9skl9nijPM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/arts/design/art-proves-attractive-refuge-for-money-launderers.html?_r=0

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

[Anonymous No.2061838]

what do you think of mine btw

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061848]

>>2061809
>your infographic
yeah i saw that in another thread. I'd agree that classical knowledge and classical skill building isn't a part of every universities curriculum, but visual information and it's delivery is decidedly more complex than it was 500 years ago, there are more avenues to follow and any one you can spend 4 years studying easy and a lifetime after that. I took a typography class once for one day thinking I'd learn hand drafting from a guy who did that his whole life. Last five minutes of the first class, "ok next class were meeting in the computer lab, no one hand drafts anymore." I dropped it. That knowledge will die with him i guess. But drawing? If that's important to the student i'd say they would have figured out it wasn't at Slade from the website before they dropped a hundred grand.

>Criticism of the kind of art exh.... cial snowflakes... audacity to criticize.

People make art for themselves for whatever reason they like, if other people like it it's a bonus. If you get paid it's because you put in the work and sold it. Culture is a collective effort and different ones exist side by side and they aren't objective. It's not a wrench from the hardware store that objectively fits bolts as tight as it claims and then just sells like hotcakes. Terming someones work flippant is just your butthurt and this "arbitrary, boils down, likes it or doesn't" reeks of ARC muh new rennaisance where I'm right bullshit.

And I'm not hating on fantasy sci-fi "kitsch" so bugger off my modernism.

Exhibitions are how I make my money so I can sit on 4chan and call it professional research. nigga.

>ghost doesn't like modern art? liek don't look nigga, liek close your eyes!
>crime? fuck the police
>well personally i hate communism so, art is a weapon. It's a war for cultural supremacy, did you not get the memo?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061851]

>>2061838
um, i like it, do you have more?
>fapfapfap

no but seriously do you have more.

[Anonymous No.2061862]

>>2061714
>yes, but you have to qualify living. sales are rare and I make up the rest being frugal.

>projected earnings this year ~5-10k

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[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061864]

>>2061762
not recent but not long ago

three paintings, one sculpture

the small one in the back sold

most acrylic and oil

also spray paint, resin, and concrete

[Anonymous No.2061871]

>>2061851
yes i do
>>2061843

it's funny that people can fap to this, i'm pretty happy, makes it even more weird!

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061877]

>>2061862
i dunno man I live in the country, fish seafood from the sea, hunt the woods, grow my own fruits and vegetables, get plenty of exercise, and live low stress.

id say my adjusted earnings if I paid for all that with a high stress job would be.... well.. higher i think.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061880]

>>2061871
do you print them?
>or would you print them

Is it mainly for here or do you show them to other people in other contexts?

just wondering

[Anonymous No.2061882]

>>2061864
What are your opinions on Slade and how much are they paying you?

[Anonymous No.2061886]

>>2061880
i'd like to print them in huge formats, but i can't for obvious reasons (money).

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061887]

>>2061882
im not familiar with slade, i don't know anyone who went to slade i'm not a bong and i don't care for london.

i'm of the opinion it's USA all day.

no offense to bongistan but i'd be in breech of contract as an american to booster anything else.

y

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061890]

>>2061886
i know that feel

is the resolution real important? have you considered printing in tiles and solvent/something else transferring to a larger surface? what about printing them on regular printer paper. Like they came straight off the web. That'd be kinda double skeezy. It'd negate the money part.

[Anonymous No.2061893]

>>2061890
yeah but slapping a paper on the wall is meh, you have to put it on something thick for a neat render. Anyways, I should try to see what it does, thanks for the tip!

[Anonymous No.2061914]

>>2061838
Balthus reference?

[Anonymous No.2061931]

>>2061607
Hello OP, I for one am interested in what you have to say, this place is full of artists spending ten thousand hours shading goku's nutsack and you'll find little common ground.

I graduated from art school in Britain last summer, the course was entirely focused on contemporary art and has the highest number of turner prize nominees of any course. I also do illustration which is why I come here.

I respect what you've done so far and you seem to be on the right track, what advice would you have for a recent graduate?

[Anonymous No.2061941]

>>2061864

AYY LMAO

>OP no skill pleb confirmed

[Anonymous No.2061955]

>>2061931
Hi anon,

do you live/still live in an area with regular gallery openings, and do you still live around friends from school/other artists?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061956]

>>2061955
forgot trip
>>2061941
b-but muh feelings

[Anonymous No.2061964]

>>2061955
Yeah I live in the city still, I tend to avoid openings but I see school friends fairly frequently, I got a group exhibition at a really good gallery recently through one and the artist who owns it offered me a solo show. I only really pursue shows where it's a step forward rather than just showing stuff and I haven't sought representation through a gallery yet. My final school show was destroyed when the school went on fire which was obviously a big setback but we've had a lot of support and will have a highly publicised 'comeback' show in July.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2061972]

>>2061964
>fire
glasgow? i remember reading about it
>group show solo show
nice
>only steps forward
seems reasonable to me, the city I landed in was squat so anything felt like a step up, but in hindsight some was just being anxious.
>gallery rep
i think i said it in a reply above somewhere but I'm pretty wavy on my own and a good chunk of my compatriots have had mixed results trending to bad. though none were with galleries with longstanding reputations. one person nipping your heels to perform consistently doesn't leave much room for experimentation or change.
>avoiding openings
if you just don't like the work i can't blame you, but forging relationships with the opening goers and just being seen can make others more likely to show up for your own, stick around because they're comfortable, and in the end remember the work better because you're previously acquainted.
>you see friends
ya know if they're also taking a careerist path, forming a collective (not collaborative unless you wanted to) can be helpful. Showing together, hanging out regularly, and associating your names under an umbrella can act as a raft that raises with your respective tides. It's also fun and can accelerate creation responding to and supporting one another. maybe you already do that.

[Anonymous No.2061976]

>>2061931
>turner prize
>nominees

[Anonymous No.2061987]

>classical knowledge and classical skill building isn't a part of every universities curriculum, but visual information and it's delivery is decidedly more complex than it was 500 years ago

lol

[Anonymous No.2061988]

>>2061972
Yeah it's Glasgow. I know what you mean about the social side of openings, I just hate it. I go to exhibitions when it's quiet whatever I think of the stuff anyway.

Two 'collectives' formed out of our class, one a band of scruffulous hippies with little to no talent between them and the other an oddly mixed group of inept careerists who are the sort of people who give art a bad name, my friends and I have a shadowy collective to avoid the scorn the others come in for and rightly.

There will be a lot of gallerists at the show in July but it does sound like a poisoned chalice even if you get good representation.


>>2061976
I'm not passing a value judgement on it either way, just an example of the direction it takes, it's also got the most winners if that's what you're driving at.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062001]

>>2061987
>i'm pretty sure clay is older than 500 years
>>2061988
i didn't like going to openings either, I would mostly go to friends and It was a small world so it was pretty regular but I could have branched out more. I only mention it because I wish I had been more proactive. I can dig not liking the crowd though, you can't see anything with all the people.

shadowy sounds cool. mine was pretty shadowy too. Mostly fake for press saturation, appear larger than we were, a cue from anonymoose, felt like illuminati.

[Anonymous No.2062002]

>>2061607
sad...

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062005]

>>2062002
>maybe it'll get better?

[Anonymous No.2062006]

>maybe if I post cute pictures of cats /ic/ will ignore the complete destruction of western artistic tradition and the shysters and mentally ill sycophants that facilitated it.

Nah, fug you're self op lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/I9lmvX00TLY

[Anonymous No.2062013]

>>2062006
Are you that retard who posts the comparison image between hitler and other artists of the time, by any chance?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062016]

>>2062006
maybe if the saviors of the objectively superior western artistic tradition fought like survival depended on it the simple shysters would cower and lock away the mentally ill sycophants like the traitors they are and the UN could outlaw 4chan and cat pictures would cease to exist.
>waiting

[Anonymous No.2062020]

>>2062001
Is it a desire of all American artists to move to nyc?

I'm going to have to sleep as its fucking late here. Good luck OP and God speed, don't let these hen tai drawing plebs get you down,

[Anonymous No.2062025]

>>2062013
Nope

[Anonymous No.2062026]

>>2062005
i-i don't think so, anon-kun...

[Anonymous No.2062028]

>>2062026
Good.

[Anonymous No.2062032]

>>2062028
>mfw this faggot actually felt for it

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062037]

>>2062020
It was when I was younger. I went to art school there. But as the years went on I felt my world getting smaller and smaller. Energy to venture to the boroughs (I lived in lower manhattan) got less and less. Before long I only took buses and walked above ground to avoid the twilight zone subways. I hated it in the end. It's expensive, these days you almost have to live an hour or so outside manhattan to find a decent rental that isn't 800 a piece for 4 roomates.

Many friends including myself moved to cheaper cities for that reason. The ones who stayed i suppose like it but they have definitely sought out quieter areas and worked to redefine the center of nyc (so it's closer).

In my opinion it's going to continue until they're in the water. Trying to maintain nyc's status at the expense of quality of life is a bit like the bank bailouts in terms of insanity. It's devolved into demanding the city government make shit cheaper or give handouts or force so-n-so to do this or that. It's unsustainable or at the least building a teetering tower higher.

There are several US cities between the coasts benefiting from the confusion.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062042]

>>2062026
aloha snackbar it is
>>2062032
?o_o?

[Anonymous No.2062261]

[Anonymous No.2062404]

>>2061931
Hey fellow alumni, part of me wishes I could talk to you because I've cut myself off from the fine art kids lately, but part of me knows we probably have nothing in common.
I do crusty representational oil portraits, and learnt very little doing p&p and so envy you for doing viscom. Hope you're enjoying the weather!

[Anonymous No.2062489]

>>2061877
How about adapting your stuff to say something about the life you lead and your environment? Perhaps it would sell better if it's distinctive and based on something you can weave a story around.

You've probably heard this before though, haven't you Professor?

[Anonymous No.2062539]

>>2062404
I didn't do vis com I was in sea, I had thought about applying to vis com, I now regret not moving to p&p though as I'd have got to be in the Mac before it burned down and I only really do painting now. I get what you're saying about not learning much but it's the same all over.

What year did you leave?

[Anonymous No.2062572]

>>2062489
Good point, though, I do. Those paintings are scenes from that room (my old studio) and around the neighborhood. New work reflects my new digs. The next show is beach artifacts and the kinds of things left in an abandoned house. Atm I'm applying a prepper/doomjunkie philosophy to objects and paintings in terms of being durable and small or larger than life and collapsible in a way they can be taken down to a minimal footprint reinstalled intuitively to their original form.

I've applied these ideas to general life, it makes for less clutter and I have less but better made things, but recently applied them to art in response to having even less space to shelter objects and less means to move large paintings.

Ultimately I would like the objects to be able to be left outside where I have tons of space. Not necessarily just in the open weathering, but able to take a little abuse an perhaps change slightly (like a patina without changing on a fundamental level).

Practically speaking, if they can survive being packed away without being babied and move with someone easily, not be left behind or trashed because they were inconvenient, then I feel less apprehensive about bringing them into the world to clutter other peoples lives. Until recently I was burning paintings, some though I wish I hadn't, but, they're gone now.

Also shipping is going to be less expensive.

[Anonymous No.2062575]

>>2062261
>>2062261
That's funny, it's hard to blame her. It's riding a fine line, I always wonder what It would be like to walk into someones pristine modern loft and step around trash that was reinstalled in their house. Whether it would appear tasteful or just in the way. Occasionally I think about Cody Wilson in this context, the guy who fronts the 3d printed gun group, and something he said in a lecture about his aims. That they aren't about changing minds, but more to "inflict something like my world onto yours." As a terrorist as opposed to an activist. I think inconveniently designed sculpture or installations in the domestic setting starts to hint at that. And I think even better the glove at the MOMA with eveyone nervously stepping around is even more on that level.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2062584]

>>2062572
>>2062575
forgot trip

[Anonymous No.2062607]

>>2061864
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.2062625]

>>2061864
I FUCKING CALLED IT

[Anonymous No.2062629]

>>2061914
>reference
this is a fucking 3d program and he probably didn't even model that

[Anonymous No.2062649]

>>2062629
>filename
>reference to famous painting

[Anonymous No.2062761]

>>2062629
why would i model it? what's the point in doing it yourself? you don't make a barbie yourself

>>2062649
i was more thinking about bernini statue actually

[Anonymous No.2062948]

What would you say to a person trying to "get" contemporary art? What books/critics (and other stuff) would you recommend?

I go to galleries occasionally (not openings, is it worth going then, to overhear others talk about it and ask the artist questions? I like cheese and wine but the few art festivals I've been to with openings, it just seems like a social event and I'm got no friends/connection to that crowd so it's just awkward to go alone) and try to look at it with an open mind but I feel like my mind is too open, I don't have the necessary context to appreciate it. They're reacting or commenting on something I'm unaware of and the very dilute art doesn't give any hints to it as an outsider.

[Anonymous No.2062976]

>>2061864
what the fuck is this.

[Anonymous No.2062983]

>>2061864
The only people that appreciate this shit are also peddling it. Trite as fuck.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2063170]

>>2062948
>What would you say to a person trying to "get" contemporary art? What books/critics (and other stuff) would you recommend?

Contemporary is a broad field, I think it more or less points to things made "now". Though some would argue it covers artists born after '48 (?), I think. But given it's broad interpretation it's probably better to find something you like and just follow it's lead into related artists and what is written about them. I was always taken by American abstract expressionists and just investigated further. Most were in NYC around the same time and were influenced by each other and each others company. Working out their artistic struggles together. One writer, Dore Ashton (there were others but just an example) was close friends with many of them, wrote about them, and her work carries a great deal of authority as a result being a first hand account. There is a good doc on the topic:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjgBuXUW44Q

It more or less indulges my interest for hearing it from the horses mouth. But I think it also illustrates several people talking about the same time period in a particular place investigating one topic and thriving artistically. Which would be the hallmark of a movement throughout history.

cont.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2063172]

>>2063170

Today there may not be such convenient sources since any one artist's or group's exploits are a drop in the bucket on a global stage of the internet. The threshold for publication is lower since blogs are a dime a dozen, and the proliferation of imagery saturates the four corners with the influence of every other corner.

I think it's bred some stagnation for artists, it has for me. I'm held up in a room back in the 50's very skeptical of the relevance of technology that changes ever more rapidly while others are producing work centered on whatever is the latest social media as a reaction to digital ephemerality for the sake of identifying a "now".

You should consider what you find important in life generally and then seek art that embodies those values. I suppose. No one critic can be right in this struggle.

cont.

[Anonymous No.2063191]

>I'm influenced by French impressionists, German expressionists, and American modernists.

>Terming someones work flippant is just your butthurt and this "arbitrary, boils down, likes it or doesn't" reeks of ARC muh new rennaisance where I'm right bullshit.

>You should consider what you find important in life generally and then seek art that embodies those values.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2063197]

>>2063172

>I go to galleries occasionally (not openings, is it w....

openings are parties, basically, to celebrate finishing the project, shake hands with friends and strangers alike, and loosen wallets with booze in a heightened celebratory atmosphere. I'm sure I've had conversations about art at an opening but mostly I hear "i like it" or "i don't like it" then "why", ending with "i don't know, just something." There probably isn't a lot to glean from the conversations besides who knows who.

Context is pretty important, and I agree some contexts are pretty obtuse. Like the great philosopher anonymous once aptly stated >>2062983. The situation may be trite, but that doesn't mean the work is about nothing. What one of the other peddlers peddles might be in the realm of literature, music, dance, theatre, etc. Considering the whole conversation may give some insight. But some things are indeed reinterpretation of a book from 100 years ago that 5 people besides the artist ever read and they don't provide any synopsis and you can't buy it on amazon and they wrote a statement that reads like concrete and you're held at the mercy of their scribble drawing holding your dick like >>2062976
\_(* . o)_/...... It happens.

I hope that helps.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2063201]

>>2063191
you didn't even draw a dick on it or nothing

[Anonymous No.2063239]

>>2063197
>I'm sure I've had conversations about art at an opening but mostly I hear "i like it" or "i don't like it" then "why", ending with "i don't know, just something." There probably isn't a lot to glean from the conversations besides who knows who.

That's very humorous considering what you just said earlier in the thread.

( >>2061848 )

>Terming someones work flippant is just your butthurt and this "arbitrary, boils down, likes it or doesn't" reeks of ARC muh new rennaisance where I'm right bullshit.

You literally just admitted that what that guy you were responding to ( >>2061809 ) said is true, you sneaky little shit. Holy goddamn.

>openings are parties, basically, to celebrate finishing the project, shake hands with friends and strangers alike, and loosen wallets with booze in a heightened celebratory atmosphere.

So you get a bunch of abstractfags (whom barely pass as sane to begin with) piss drunk in order to try and sell them on the elephant-tier shit art you've arranged in your decrepit studio apartment?

This thread just keeps getting better.

[Anonymous No.2063240]

>>2061864
This kind of art was used by the US as weapon against communism in the cold war. They used it to represent the US's brand of 'freedom.' Basically, it served as propaganda.

That means that this kind of art is the epitome of the kind of selfish, narcissistic, capitalist world that we, currently, live in. Please remember that when you are working on your next piece of 'fine art.'

[Anonymous No.2063326]

>>2061864

[Anonymous No.2063335]

>I was very active, its a job. I put in 8hrs a day and then the rest of the night at bars talking art and trying to work deals

>projected earnings this year ~5-10k

>No, I went to a University. It was 4 years and grueling but a lot of fun too.

>financially stable for my lifestyle, I have a maxed CC

[Anonymous No.2063341]

>>2063335
'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those that falsely believe they are free'.

The only way OP could possibly be "financially stable" making 1 to 2/3rds the national minimum wage with a maxed out credit card and 4 years of art college debt is if he still lives off of the parents whose life savings he carelessly squandered to learn how to make finger paintings.

http://io9.com/5811891/scientific-proof-that-abstract-art-is-only-4-better-than-what-a-kid-could-do

[Anonymous No.2063436]

Also I'm sorry for being so rude to you throughout this thread my degenerate friend. I really don't mean to be so crass, but even considering your situation makes me sad and angry on your behalf and I can't help but direct that sadness and anger at you for not vocalizing similar feelings yourself. You're broke and in debt up to your eyeballs or you've ruined your family and you seem nonetheless content with your lot. You could be making at least 1/3rd more money annually as a sandwich engineer at McDonalds for fug's sake.

It's not all about money, no, but you need to make a living, and you're not doing that right now, not on your own, anyway. It's not fair what they did to you, and you sitting there white-knighting for this shit is simply ponderous and I can scarcely believe you're not a trolling at this point.

[Anonymous No.2063484]

>>2062539
I guess there are pros and cons for all the subjects.
Graduated in the last show to be in the Mac, but your year that lost work seems dramatic and I'm excited to hear how popular your show will be, whereas I know some of the current 4th years are stressed with how their show has to compete with yours without having drama of it's own. Sucks.

[Anonymous No.2063493]

>>2063436
>crass
belongs in the trash

[Anonymous No.2063530]

>Everyone hating on OP

He's got his toe in the door in an industry he likes. It's not STEM, but at least it's not a journalism or business degree.

[Anonymous No.2063555]

>>2063530

You're remind me of those people that regard Kim Kardashian or Katie Price as "good business women" as opposed to just whores that sold their dignity for money. Essentially OP is the art version of that. Why bother studying hard and becoming proficient at something when you can just shit on a canvas and sell it to morons?

[Anonymous No.2063604]

>>2063239
>That's very humorous
it's a celebration, not a critique, a critic can write about it without getting a consensus from the crowd
>You literally just admitted
I admit to nothing. nocsing... AM I BEING DETAINED
>So you get a bunch of abstractfags (whom ba...
I've never sold something to someone piss drunk, usually people commit to buying, and you catch up with them at the end of the exhibition to work out the details. They can't just walk off with part of the exhibit. Also my decrepit apt was 1100 sq ft of beautiful white walls.
>>2063240
>commies can't into anything that doesn't celebrate our dear leader and social justice for workers.
big surprise, but there's contemporary work out there for you too that hates consumable objects and everything.
>>2063335
you could annotate to make your point
>i don ged what yoru imblygin : DD
>>2063341
I had a full ride scholarship, as far as 1 2/3rds blah blah, i make do
>>2063436
There have been plenty of starving artists, i don't even starve.
>>2063530
thank you
>>2063555
i think you're mixing art making and art selling together as if they're the same practice. This thread, although it can go any which way has mostly revolved around the later. It's not the same thing.

now I'm gonna go take a shit in the bathroom so when I go to the studio here in a minute I'm not in danger of accidentally shitting on a canvas. Just for your trips this time only anon.

[Anonymous No.2063627]

>>2063604
other anon here, you obviously don't care much for making art of any quality worth mention.
So why bother with this thread. Also your idea of a painting is retarded.

[Anonymous No.2063660]

>>2063197

>But some things are indeed reinterpretation of a book from 100 years ago that 5 people besides the artist ever read and they don't provide any synopsis and you can't buy it on amazon

"Oy vey! You're really gonna' like this piece. I call it "Bolden Brashen"; I conceived of it while poring over an ancient manuscript I'd found on one of my frequent trips to the ruins of the near east that I take because I'm a very interesting person (that makes my art interesting too as consequence btw goy)..."

*produces pic related*

>>2063604

>Also my decrepit apt was 1100 sq ft of beautiful white walls.

Divided amongst how many people?

>There have been plenty of starving artists, i don't even starve.

That's because you're living off of someone else or several other people. Your parents, your friends, whatever. You can't survive on "$5-10k" annually on your own; you could easily spend $5k on food alone ($10 a day is $3650 a year to put things in context, and that would be a pretty minimal diet besides with "no going out", and certainly doesn't cover the cost of other vices you may have like smoking, drinking liquor etc).

[Anonymous No.2063674]

>>2061864
LMFAO

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064173]

>>2063660
>"Oy vey!
stormfag pls
>how many people?
my wife and I, also a painter
>$10 a day
have you heard of cooking?
>>>/ck/

[Anonymous No.2064217]

>>2064173
>have you heard of cooking?

You're telling me that in New York you and your wife spend less than $10 a day on food, drink, etc.? That you never go out to restaurants or bars? That skews towards your average daily consumption too.

$10 a day is a fair average if you have a diet that isn't complete garbage and particularly if you go out once in a while and "drink booze" as you've implied earlier in the thread you do on a regular basis.

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/what-does-200-calories-cost-the-economics-of-obesity.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245588.php

I surmise what the truth is that you've avoided saying thus far is that you're either living off of her directly because she has a real job on the side, you're both living off of the state on some trumped up "disability" grants or you are at least on food stamps, bare minimum.

How's the rent in New York? We haven't even touched on that. Even if you're only paying $500 a month that's $6000 a year. How are you paying for your internet? Another $600 or so easy. Heating, electricity, trash, television, insurance, gas etc.

[Anonymous No.2064227]

>>2064173
>my wife and I, also a painter
kek. We all know she's not real. Stop trying to create a persona on an anonymous board.

[OP's Wife !qfDxF3H4II No.2064262]

>>2064217
Haven't lived in NYC for years, did you read the thread? Lived in NY, then another city, and now we live in the sticks. We have no government benefits.
I've a green thumb. We grow or catch lots of food.
In the grocery, a whole chicken is $6. That can make four meals - chicken, leftover chicken, chicken salad, then stock for soup.
Also,
>>2064227
Hi

[Anonymous No.2064277]

>>2064262
O-O-O-H Shit a different trip! Y-You must be real!

I WIS COMBLETLEY WONG YOUZ GUIZ

[None !qfDxF3H4II No.2064282]

>>2064277
Do you want to talk about art or not? Why don't you go back to studying loomis.

[Anonymous No.2064287]

>>2064282
>Do you want to talk about art or not
Why bring that up now? This entire thread has not one iota of what would constitute a genuine conversation about art.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064294]

>>2064227
>>2064277

[Anonymous No.2064297]

>>2061607
>burmese cartoons
is this a meme?

[Anonymous No.2064308]

>>2064294
That's just creepy. Posting other people's pics as your own. Why are you so dedicated into forcing your fake persona onto others, and on an anonymous board for the matter?

[None !qfDxF3H4II No.2064314]

>>2064308

[Anonymous No.2064324]

Working on my BFA in studio art. Going to be a senior next year. Then going for my MFA.

People tend to think in a very literal sense around here, as well as the students in my school.

Personally I do not like to be so literal. I like to make my work somewhat abstract and vague.

The art might not be able to be read instantly. I believe that is what makes most people here uncomfortable about such art. That they cannot maybe understand it right way, or not even understand it at all.

However I believe you don't necessarily need to fully understand the art to enjoy it.

It is kinda like going to a magic show. Just suspend your beliefs temporarily about it being fake or not and just enjoy the show.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064357]

>>2064324

>your work description
I can dig it and I agree.
>suspension of disbelief
I think about that that all the time. Mostly about ASCII porn, but just the same.

On a side note, what do you mean by literal?

>mfa
What schools are you thinking about for mfa?

I've avoided grad school for some time. I am however interested in the Bard program in upstate new york. It's a very loose curriculum predominantly group critiques and "low residency", as in two months each summer for three summers. It seems manageable without living anywhere in particular and dedicating to uprooting. It's 50k, which is half as much as many comparable programs. Though, I can't imagine attending unless it was all paid for (scholarship/grant wise).

I think of a friend/mentor who said, about MFA: "Be an artist, which is what everyone in our MFA program would like to be. You are already there. You have time."

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064371]

>>2064217
;_; thank you for the shoop, I will never forget you anon

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064379]

>>2064217
Actually, can I use this. Would you be mad?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064402]

>>2064324

if you mean what I think you mean

>Personally I do not like to be so literal. I like to make my work somewhat abstract and vague.

do u. bone them. prove em wrong.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2064406]

>>2064402
>sheeeeeeeeeiiitttt
i almost forgot. post results!

[Anonymous No.2064493]

>>2064379
Nigga I don't give a fug if you use it, thanks for asking tho I guess.

[Anonymous No.2065358]

>>2061607
Sup, dude. I wanna talk about the art biz. I want to make more money and have more shows, but I never went to school. Also, I'm kind of retarded about the flimflam. I do sculptural shit, and of the very few shows I've done, they seemed to do really well. Like every piece eventually sold (so I think I have general appeal), photos were getting printed in design mags, etc., but nothing that happened was due to me except for me making the work, showing up to the opening and derping my way through it. I can't even tell you how I got those shows... I feel like I was an awkward 12 year old asking a girl to dance, and somehow it worked. The gallery owners must've really liked the work, or something because they had to break character several times and say things like: "ok, I can't work with this..." or "all right, we need to um.. adjust your CV.." I feel really bad for them. They made money, too, but they sure as fuck had to work for it.

Haha. Help me out? I am really good in the studio, but fucking retarded in the gallery. I feel like this is the shit they would have taught me to do at school. Advice?

[Anonymous No.2065377]

>makes '5-10k a year' or 2/3rds the minimum wage pandering to mentally ill druggies
>maxed out credit card
>married to an n-word black earth mother mammy archetype who, along with his parents, carries his financial dead weight (stockholm syndrome meets infantilism)
>calls pic related 'art' unironically

Holy guacamole!

[Anonymous No.2065835]

>>2063191
Soooo,
>no artistic skill
>Empty pointless room
>No one will ever see it

[Anonymous No.2065880]

>>2061607
I share the same sentiment. I really do.

Everyone's making models and renders and countless ways of drawing an isolated figure in some pose and illustrations - but nobody's making artworks. When people actually post Fine Art, it's goes way above everyone's heads.

[Anonymous No.2065882]

>>2061864
God dammit you're not helping the fine art cause at all.

[Anonymous No.2065937]

>>2065358
>I feel like this is the shit they would have taught me to do at school.
I agree, I think SVA was trying some of that when they would do open studios that I would visit but I think they were teaching them to be passive honestly.
>awkward 12 year old asking a girl to dance
i know that feel. That's kind of why I went for running my own space and working with others doing the same. To make it more relaxed socially. but mixing business with friendships, the odds are in favor of trouble. I think it comes with experience and just doing more gives more insight. Can you be more specific, It might help me hone in on a memory better.
>>2065377
>n-word
this is a special kind of kek
>>2065835
>no one will ever see it
it was all exhibited multiple times in different galleries, it's the photo that isn't circulated
>>2065880
well if there's enough of us here we can certainly keep some threads running. There's a couple recent threads, one person working on a video installation and another of color field abstraction.
>>2065882
pic related

[Anonymous No.2066130]

>>2065937

Provisional paintings about rectangles?

Idk man you should make your work better, I think that settling into the non-competitive environment of the sticks and living off that pittance has made you satisfied with weaker work. Also I'm kind of thinking that pic might be some bait, like dude, thats honestly so bad and by the way you talk you seem to be sophisticated enough to know.

[Anonymous No.2066136]

>>2066130
>by the way you talk you seem to be sophisticated enough to know.

Abstractfags ARE all talk. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this? They're all about social networking and they're taught to drone on and on about art history, notable art personalities (generally historical abstractfags), movements etc. and of course the complex narrative they ascribe to their simplistic, ridiculous elephant art for as long as they can because the "art" itself cannot stand on its own without it.

Read the thread and that should become clear enough. Jesus.

>I'm influenced by French impressionists, German expressionists, and American modernists.
>It's all talking and sharing
>visual information and it's delivery is decidedly more complex than it was 500 years ago
>You should consider what you find important in life generally and then seek art that embodies those values.
>openings are parties, basically, to celebrate finishing the project, shake hands with friends and strangers alike, and loosen wallets with booze in a heightened celebratory atmosphere. I'm sure I've had conversations about art at an opening but mostly I hear "i like it" or "i don't like it" then "why", ending with "i don't know, just something." There probably isn't a lot to glean from the conversations besides who knows who.

[Anonymous No.2066152]

>>2066136
What I'm saying though, is that as a person who generally agrees with all that greentext, I still think the work is weak.

Wanting to be articulate and social within an artistic practice, and speaking in the vernacular of contemporary art isn't inherently bad when the work is good. All those things can really improve the experience, but the work has to live up to the claims.

What I'm seeing here is a quotidian stab at casualist painting that's investigating the ontology of the rectangle. This kind of painting hinges on it's component parts forming more than just a collage, but some kind of previously unknown synergistic relationship. That doesn't seem to be happening here, just looks like some undergrad being cute with "painting as sculpture".

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066329]

>>2066130
>non-competitive sticks
I've been in the sticks for a year, the paintings are a couple to a few years old when in a city, the competitiveness was palpable. So few of us that it was downright personal. Provisional speaks to the atmosphere of the competition/conversation.
>Also I'm kind of thinking that pic might be some bait
Hmm. I gravitated more to the underworked than overworked. I'd have rather erred on the side of walking an over-trodden path than be oblivious chasing a mythical singularity of original thought. I'd like to think the latter is for death. I worked in a group of painters avoiding being absorbed into the casualist but also avoiding abandoning the stretched canvas in favor of an emerging media. A sad place indeed.
>>2066152
>quotidian stab at casualist painting that's investigating the ontology of the rectangle
No, I stabbed for the time, having been sold down the river. "Casualism," as it would be, emerged after leaving school. I left with a strong optimism of painting. The sophisticates thereafter
didn't respect painting. Those detractors were always present, but they got a big booster with the recent popularity of populist politics that reject consumption of any object subject to trade. So I doubled down.
>hinges on it's component parts forming more than just a collage, but some kind of previously unknown synergistic relationship.
I disagree, contrasting effect/affect of reproduced qualities (one existing thing on another) is the substance of contemporary design and curation, the voice of a lost people. In terms of new media, I believe we sit at the top rung of a ladder below an old ceiling, The "newest medias" are built on existing infrastructure and old infrastructure at that, masking it's age by rapidly cannibalizing the retro (which is younger and younger) and capitalizing on short memory.
>previously unknown synergistic relationship
i don't believe in this, can't put it any other way.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066330]

>>2066152
>cute with "painting as sculpture"
paintings are objects, not images. To give an example. No Courbet is photographed accurately. This can't be proven on an imageboard. It has to be compared in person.
>>2066136
pic

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066334]

>>2066329
just to be clear
>doubled down -----> rectangles

[Anonymous No.2066342]

>>2066329
> I believe we sit at the top rung of a ladder below an old ceiling,

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066364]

>>2066342
>I believe your post sits at the top rung of a ladder below and old ceiling.

>>2066136
>>2065377
>>2064217
>>2063660
>>2063335
>>2063239
>>2063191

[Anonymous No.2066383]

>>2061848
>visual information and it's delivery is decidedly more complex than it was 500 years ago
Renaissance art theory was and is quite complex. It's just that institutions of learning simplify it. I understand it's easy to underestimate though, because it's not constantly trying to make a show of its complexity. It's a lot more tied in with many other major subjects for example. I don't think there's anyone alive who has more understanding of his art than Poussin or Rubens did.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066432]

>>2066383
>Renaissance art theory was and is quite complex.
Can't argue with it
>It's just that institutions of learning simplify it.
Probably
>I understand it's easy to underestimate though, because it's not constantly trying to make a show of its complexity
This is debatable
>It's a lot more tied in with many other major subjects for example.
>I don't think there's anyone alive who has more understanding of his art than Poussin or Rubens did.
Maybe I wasn't clear but I really just wanted to point out that there are more media being studied in today's universities than drawing sculpture and painting and deficiency in any one of those does not exclude a student from studying further another media. Though failing hard will get you kicked out, like anything else.

[Anonymous No.2066535]

>>2066432
>This is debatable
It's actually part of Renaissance art theory and is written about in period art treatises.

Granted there are some artists back then understood theory more than others and some did show off quite a bit, but they weren't normally the most esteemed.


I don't mean to disagree about there being more possibilities now (in quantity) but that's more to do with multiplicity, not complexity of "visual information". Contemporary art just may seem more complex now because no one's talking about the finer points of past arts anymore.

We're most probably arguing for different points, and the 500 years ago comment was likely more of an exaggeration, but I hear way too much about art from that time being underestimated in the theoretical side, and there are people who legitimately think it's not as complex or even intellectual as art now to not make a comment.

And to be fair, even admirers and followers are guilty of perpetuating the myth.

[Anonymous No.2066602]

>>2066329
baited nerd

[Anonymous No.2066605]

>>2061607
did you have to take the sat to go to art school

[Anonymous No.2066906]

>>2066605
It was required for the application but it wasn't heavily weighted.

[Anonymous No.2066924]

>>2066906
How'd you get your full ride scholarship then?

captcha: eyBoo (lmao)

[None !qfDxF3H4II No.2066927]

>>2066535
>but I hear way too much about art from that time being underestimated in the theoretical side, and there are people who legitimately think it's not as complex or even intellectual as art now to not make a comment.
Anon, we talk about something that I think is very similar all the time. Many people I talk to seem to think humanity has become smarter or better. Simplified example, as if artists just couldn't draw very well before the renaissance and something changed, some accumulation of knowledge, rather than change in intention of method of information. So perhaps we are on the same page here.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2066939]

>>2066924
Based on my work, and I suppose essays, and I think to a lesser extent attending a portfolio review and visiting the school gets written down somewhere to demonstrate commitment. It's not med school, SATs don't mean much.

[None !qfDxF3H4II No.2066949]

>>2065358
It sounds like you are on the right track, by doing shows, selling work, developing dealer contacts. And keeping up your work in the studio, of course.
Art school can grow connections. Wish I could say that school would have helped you more, but in my experience, it's mostly work/theory based in some kind of idealistic la-la land and then you're tossed in the water and told to swim when it comes to dealing with the business side. Though this may be changing or school-specific -- 2013 I went to a school's Professional Practices class as a visiting artist, they were trying to address some of this.* There's certainly a lot to learn about the biz beyond making your work. How to crate it? How to write your CV? How to write grants? How to avoid getting screwed by unscrupulous dealers? Contracts? Etc etc. This is a decent basic book to start with: http://www.amazon.com/ART-WORK-Everything-Pursue-Career/dp/1416572333/ though don't take it as gospel.

Questions for you - how long ago were the shows you did? What kind of venues? Are you following up with them or have any ongoing relationship? Did they keep the collector information confidential?

Based on what you wrote, my advice would be to keep working, and push yourself -- don't get in a comfortable sweet spot. As hard as it is to be patient, get better at that, too. If your career doesn't take off right away it could be for the better. (Would you really want to be in the place of a young artist whose work is re-sold for 6 figs at auction, overhyped, price inflated, with little room for growth?) Develop relationships with peer artists you respect, write to artists you would like to know, invite people to do studio visits with you. Avoid paying money to exhibit your work or to apply to do so.


*Though the blow back of professionalization is critics complaining about floods of MFAs etc with their banal, sale-ready work. In the long haul you're probably better off with a unique and meandering life path.

[Anonymous No.2071820]

>>2061864
No offense but there's a reason you make 15k a year

[Anonymous No.2071821]

>>2071820
OP please just let this terrible thread die.

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2072013]

>>2071821
wasn't me. it was on pg 10 this morning i was ready to let it go.

[Anonymous No.2072122]

>>2061714
How do I become part of wealthier collectors social circle?

[Anonymous No.2072131]

>>2061607
>So where's the studio artists at
Eyyy studio artist in training. What up OP!

[Anonymous No.2072133]

>>2072013
I apologize for calling your work terrible. You thread was really informative.

I hope you grow and find a unique style but still do what you do.

[Anonymous No.2072629]

>>2072122
Find out where the wealthy collectors hang out, like the gallery or galleries that sell the most expensive/hot hip work by younger artists. Preferably young work because the collectors who are into that are looking to "discover" people. Just hang around getting into conversations, eventually you'll root out the ones who are open to meeting other artists than they came to see. I'd take it slow because if they think you're trying to sell them something they may get turned off. Repeat this process until someone wants to lol tk u 2 da bar|. At that point just hope the drinks aren't 20 dollars a piece and for all practical purposes you're in. I think the big collectors are most interested in being friends and being a part of the bigger story (like so n so artist was friends with so n so collector and they hung out all the time at bohemian parties and had lots of inspiring conversations). That's more bang for their buck than just walking in and buying something because the think it looks investment grade.

>>2072131
What up, what do you do?

>>2072133
t-thanks, anon-kun.

[Anonymous No.2072707]

>>2072629
Is 19-21 too young for that? I live in Chicago so there's a small art scene

God I gotta learn to be more social and knowledgable about art

[Anonymous No.2072720]

>>2072707
>God I gotta learn to be more social and knowledgable about art

That you do because the art certainly isn't going to have any value whatsoever unless you can talk it up.

>>2061864

[Anonymous No.2072728]

>>2063660
anon why the hell are you so salty?

[OP !oghsjmHDJU No.2072758]

>>2072707
>Chicago
I'm pretty sure there's a huge art scene. particularly for up and coming/underground/emerging
>19-21
might as well get started you're not getting any younger
>God I gotta learn to be more social and knowledgable about art
There's a lot to learn and one can't know it all, learn your own craft well and know just enough related to it to be dangerous.
>>2072720
>pic related

[Anonymous No.2072876]

>>2072720
But I'm awful at talking about my art. I come off as someone joking about making fake art.

I'm like kaws or Chris wool when they get interviewed.

Does help or hurt that I'm a sand person? Would pretending I'm indian being better? I'm afghan

[Anonymous No.2072878]

>>2072758
And is age that much of a factor? Wouldn't most collectors right off a young artist? I know most artist start seeing the money come in when they're 30-40.

And how should I find people to befriend that are into art? Follow and talk to people on Instagram that go to SAIC? I don't go to art school. So finding friends into art is kind of hard

[Anonymous No.2073706]

>>2072878
>age
I don't think age is a factor, i think sitting out until older doesn't make much sense.
> I know most artist start seeing the money come in when they're 30-40.
some don't ever see money
> Follow and talk to people on Instagram that go to SAIC?
no, i would recommend going to the openings that probably happen 4 days a week.

[Anonymous No.2076543]

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