Kr0npr1nz Artist extraordinaire: electric boogaloo edition

[Anonymous No.1967430]

Continuation from: >>1963827

>Suspicions confirmed that said artist traces directly from the work of others in order to profit
>Is a hypocrite as Kr0n has criticized others in the past for doing the same exact thing he does.
>Fanboys are in full damage control
>Kr0npr1nz is mad as hell

[Anonymous No.1967434]

>>1967430
It's a shame. All around, it looks like he can draw too.

[Anonymous No.1967439]

Got bored and thought why not look up a couple of his sources, so...

This picture:
http://kr0npr1nz.deviantart.com/art/Shinobu-and-Frog-510730707

From this episode of bakemonogatari:
http://master-of-nonsense.tumblr.com/post/107664142475/awesomewillv1-shinobu-frog-plushie
Not sure which episode or what time the frame is at, but you'll find it if you look

This one:
http://kr0npr1nz.deviantart.com/art/Yoko-Littner-429822568

Is either of this image, or one from this image set:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/388505905328268129/

[Anonymous No.1967441]

Just jumping into this now.

This really is a terrible thing to do. It's not a matter of being jelly either - it's just plain wrong what he's doing.

Is anyone trying to do anything to stop him?backers on Patreon

[Anonymous No.1967444]

>>1967430
ffs isn't all /ic/ does copying photos for reference?

[Anonymous No.1967445]

>>1967430
I dont get why people do this, and I feel bad for using reference...

[Anonymous No.1967451]

>>1967444
they dont claim its original work, as kron does

[Anonymous No.1967453]

>>1967451
who fucking cares? theres a warrant out for his arrest because of this or something?

[Anonymous No.1967454]

Well... at least he makes them better instead of ruining them like many do.

[Anonymous No.1967455]

What a faggot.

[Anonymous No.1967459]

>>1967453
just because someone's "studies" are a bit more accurate than yours doesn't mean it's suddenly a crime for them to use reference material. This guy is still learning. let him practice. god damn.

[Anonymous No.1967460]

>>1967459
isn't he only 25 too? you guys are acting like its a crime to learn more if your already skilled at something. get back to drawing there's too many threads about this guy.

[Anonymous No.1967463]

>>1967430

pretty disgusting, especially considering the amount of money this guy is/was making.

[Anonymous No.1967467]

>>1967460
>>1967459
>>1967453
Hi deviantart. Seriously though, this is an /ic/ board. We of all people should NOT be supporting this in any way whatsoever.

>harmless studies

UM NO. He is making serious money from these "studies" and in turn Patreon is also making a cut off of him. He is pretty much selling other peoples work. How messed up and unfeeling do you have to be to not be bothered by this? If anything, we're standing up for the original artists, and against fraud.

[Anonymous No.1967473]

>>1967459

He claims to be a working professional in Japan. Do you know what they do to tracers like him in Japan?

[Anonymous No.1967474]

>>1967473
Buy them lots of candy? :3

[Anonymous No.1967476]

>>1967459
citing from the old thread:
>Copying compositions, colorchoices and designs like a monkey is utterly uncreative, but if you're willing to cite the references you are using there's nothing wrong with it. Taking credits for the choices another artist has made and pretending that they are your own, is fraud.

[Anonymous No.1967482]

This is Russian /pa/ shitposting raid.
Kr0n doesn't trace. All his "studies" have "study" tag. He's a painter from top russian art school

[Anonymous No.1967484]

>>1967482
All his "studies" are being shown in his portfolio, and being sold as prints

[Anonymous No.1967488]

I'm honestly ashamed that some people have the gall to actually support this guy, and that they aren't even being trolls about it. They genuinely don't give a fuck that he is stealing from other artists without giving any credit. Not a single fuck. All they see is poor kr0npr1nz.

[Anonymous No.1967490]

>>1967482
Don't you have other things to do? Like um.. Scavenge for food or jump off really high things and record it?

[Anonymous No.1967492]

>>1967476
>colorchoices and designs like a monkey is utterly uncreative


this whole kronpriz guy drama aside, that is a very judgmental comment to be making against references. Even though I understand where the comment is coming from I wouldn't say some dumb shit like that because it discourages people from using reference to get some sort of "I did it on my own" cred.

[Anonymous No.1967493]

>>1967492
>this whole kronpriz guy drama not aside
The guy in question mostly uses other artists works and compositions as his "reference" and straight up paints over, blurs the BG, does not give any kind of reference to the original work or creator, occasionally (very seldom) adds that they are studies, even though clearly all of them are studies, shits on other people in comments about doing exactly what he has been doing all along, and makes over 6 figures from doing the above. You're kind of drawing conclusions from words for no reason. The harsh words and criticism are deserved in this case, like it or not. We know reference isn't bad, we know. Not everything is black and white though. That's a lesson for life.

[Anonymous No.1967494]

>>1967492
No, I agree with what he's saying. Firstly, there are ways of being creative with reference, secondly, mindlessly copying the choices an artist makes doesn't help you to understand what they are doing. If you want to use refference, do it in a way that gives you a greater understanding of the thing you are trying to study.

[Anonymous No.1967499]

http://kr0npr1nz.deviantart.com
Look at comments.
This is raid
http://jimbobox.deviantart.com gets jelly

[Anonymous No.1967502]

Traced House

[Anonymous No.1967506]

This will go down in /ic/ history

[Anonymous No.1967514]

>>1967499
I'm jelly too and if I wasn't jelly I wouldn't be in this thread

[Anonymous No.1967515]

>>1967506
disgusting

[Anonymous No.1967520]

>>1967499

>raid

Nah, m8, it's people starting to wise up to his bullshit.

/ic/ is defenders of true art. /ic/ shall wage wars against copiers, tracers, heavy filter users, photobashers, and concept artists around the world.

/ic/ will save art. /ic/ will save art in the name of Richard Loomis and the old masters.

[Anonymous No.1967523]

>>1967473
you can always email the videogame company he's working on and tell about his tracing. Check out his twitter for more info about it.

[Anonymous No.1967527]

>>1967523
Well he says he works at a company in Japan except... which one is it?

[Anonymous No.1967528]

>>1967494
Agreed.

Posted this as a troll in the last thread, but it actually shows how Norman Rockwell uses references in a proper way.

Not to mention he did shoot the photos himself, so everything was pretty well designed and decided by Rockwell from start to finish.

[Anonymous No.1967533]

I don't really know how to feel about this.

People trace all the time, of course they don't and shouldn't make bank off of it.

But another side to this is that he renders pretty well, he seems to have a relatively solid understanding of fundamentals. Maybe this Russian school was really intensive on being able to trace things and that's really all he can do proficiently.

It can be argued that his rendering distinguishes his art from an actual tracing.

It's not right but I can't really bring myself to lynch this guy from the highest bridge.

[Anonymous No.1967537]

Allowing this to go is a major mistake, and a really bad precedent. I don't want to be on an Internet where fraud is allowed and encouraged. Even if that means fighting tooth and nail with a bunch of whiny no-life-experienced brats.

>>1967499
>http://jimbobox.deviantart.com gets jelly
I'll be Jimbo's secretary of justice then. Must defend true artists from around the world.

[Anonymous No.1967541]

>>1967533
>It's not right but I can't really bring myself to lynch this guy from the highest bridge.

>murder isn't right
>but this guy rigs the crime scene pretty well
>which makes him more of a genius than a murderer

Not trying to compare this to murder. Just saying. You're silly.

[Anonymous No.1967544]

>>1967506
Why? People don't even read / translate his twitter.
>Kr0n's tweet:Uploaded recent photo studies here
>HUEHUE PHOTOCOPY
>Kr0n's tweet: Tried to study animation from Miyazaki movies. Jesus animation is too hard for me
>HUEHUE THIS IS FROM MIYAZAKI
It's good to be Asian, really. Kids from internet can't scam you because of language.

[Anonymous No.1967546]

>>1967527
I can't understand japanese, but he twitted this and I guess that's the company website?

"The game I'm working on as character artist: ゲームクリエイター 水口哲也氏監修のスマホ向けパズル「18(エイティーン)~キミトツナガルパズル~」http://www.4gamer.net/games/287/G028777/20150114008/ "

[Anonymous No.1967551]

>>1967544
he can do whatever he wants but he shouldn't earn money for selling copied stuff. ilegal

[Anonymous No.1967553]

>>1967430
Does it make me mad that this shithead is making money this easily? Of course it does. But what infuriates me the most is how newfags try to justify his pathetic little "academic" studies" and all that bullshit about " the best artschool in russia". Get fucking real, every study from that so called best school he's done is literally mediocre, not even good mediocre, and it shows in how he panders to copying and interpreting already existing.

Does it interfere with my own goals? Of course it doesn't and it shouldn't interfere with yours either. At the end of the day you'll get over it and resume getting good, meanwhile he'll still be a mediocre shitter.

[Anonymous No.1967554]

>>1967544
Where is this secret twitter? Because I checked his twitter and he says dick-shit-nothing

>Studies
>Showcases them in portfolio
>Sells them as prints
>His patreon goes towards showing people STUDIES

[Anonymous No.1967555]

>>1967544
Yet all he had to do was be genuine about it and site his sources, or even put into his description that all of his images are studies or based on actual renditions by real artists.

>A kingdom built on the foundation of a lie will be destroyed.

Withholding the truth is the same as lying.

[Anonymous No.1967557]

>>1967528
Precisely. If you make your own references, models, 3d backgrounds, etc. and then use them as reference, or even paint over them, you should still be honest when people ask about your process, but you are in your right to call them your original pieces. James Gourney uses those kinds of tools for all of his work.

[Anonymous No.1967559]

>daily reminder Crowned Prince makes $125,000 tax free dollars a year from tracing and paintovers.

[Anonymous No.1967562]

>>1967554
Welcome to the real world, where plebs don't understand the meaning of the word study and will literally jerk your dick for anything you produce, as long as it looks appealing to the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.1967563]

That dude last thread was right, the name he goes by really is the most annoying thing.

[Anonymous No.1967564]

>>1967562
So how come none of you have successfully pandered out to plebs and take their Shekels in the thousands? I mean if Kr0n can do it why can't the Loomis thumpers who are good enough make it?

[Anonymous No.1967565]

>>1967544
>Jesus animation is too hard for me
WHERE'S THAT ACADEMIC TRAINING
YOU SAID YOU WERE TRAINED ACADEMICALLY
HUH
HUH
HUH

SO MUCH FOR STUDYING HOW FORM WORKS HUH

Fucking kill yourself kr0n

[Anonymous No.1967566]

ITT: jealous talentless plebs

[Anonymous No.1967568]

>>1967564
Probably the same reason why you aren't doing it

[Anonymous No.1967569]

>>1967564
Different reasons man, some people are just beta as fuck and couldn't stomach it. Others have a good heart and are generally disgusted by the mere notion of doing something like this. Some just kind of stumble on this purely on luck and make it happen without even thinking about it too much. Some are just plain old stupid.

[Anonymous No.1967573]

Oh god, someone link kr0npr1nz to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kfK46nruKM#t=47

He is in dire need of it.

[Anonymous No.1967574]

>>1967566
Yes, but atleast we aren't copyshits

[Anonymous No.1967575]

>>1967573
No, don't link him shit. Let him stay a shitter. He fucking deserves it and less competition for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.1967578]

>>1967564
Because I'm doing artistic things to produce something original, not get money.

[Anonymous No.1967579]

>>1967564
Fuck that shit. The Internet r smart man. This will probably follow kr0npr1nz wherever he goes or whatever name he changes to.

[Anonymous No.1967580]

>>1967564
fame is not logic

[Anonymous No.1967584]

>>1967573
Yes, yes, I see, I understand, I need to copy Anthony Jones' videos and get YouTube ad money too".

[Anonymous No.1967586]

Instead of faffing about it here, just report him on patreon/da etc. and link some of these collages of stolen artwork.

[Anonymous No.1967587]

>>1967584
Sadly that is probably an accurate look into his thought process.

[Anonymous No.1967588]

>>1967554
http://otaku.ru/post/91344642713/kr0npr1nz
In old russian tweet replies he said about his studies.
His first fan animation
http://vimeo.com/102107747
>Referenced titles for Diving in the TV scene: Neon Genesis Evangelion, The Matrix, In The Mood for Love .

[Anonymous No.1967589]

>>1967430
and yet you guys are wasting your time with him. thats why you'll never make it.

[Anonymous No.1967590]

>>1967564
I truly truly suck. I can't even get a fucking crit in a fucking draw thread. I'm not inviting fucking awful comments, but if someone could at least tell me why it sucks, maybe i can start jewing some DA faggots.

I tryed pandering I just dont know the secret. Maybe I'm out of it. I dont watch homestuck, i feel gay drawing frozen. I dont fucking know, these guys are masters at panderology.

[Anonymous No.1967591]

>>1967586
This is part of the process. He is getting reported, but that's only half the process. If you think simply reporting someone takes care of the issues, you are sadly mistaken.

[Anonymous No.1967592]

>>1967564
A lot of people have ethics. They don't advertise on facebook and refuse to waste their time referencing pop culture to get people to look at their stuff. Then there's the fact that with 200 people trying to do this kind of thing, one or tow get lucky and their work snowballs in popularity. You have to remember that the internet is a huge echochamber. Sometimes a thing happens to be at the right place at the right time. There is no way to do that kind of thing reliably.

[Anonymous No.1967593]

this is how korn looks btw

[Anonymous No.1967595]

>>1967573
OH BOY
YOU DID NOT JUST LINK THIS SHITHEAD'S VIDEO AGAIN

Real talk though, Jones isn't any better really. He's the classic case of doing nothing of what he preaches. Looking at his own studies and portfolio he doesn't apply many of the things he talks about in his videos, and his streams, I've been on them for quite a while and have come to the conclusion that most artists, especially the ones who get e-fame, stagnate very fast. They get comfortable with themselves enough to stop trying anymore, their subconscious is telling them to go practice, and that manifests in their talks, but when it comes to the actual deal of practicing, they don't, or they just half ass it. Jones is just another cog in the machine of e-fame corruption.

[Anonymous No.1967596]

>>1967589
>free time does not exist
>everyone who spends any time posting on /ic/ is automatically wasting their entire day
>this thought process
>questionable

[Anonymous No.1967597]

>>1967568
>>1967569
>>1967578
>>1967579
>>1967580

If there is anything we can learn from this, it's how to take Shekels away from plebs and market successfully. First thing's first, make an alternative account. You are from Japan, marketing yourself as a girl only makes it that much better. Learn how to use emoticons in every case you can such as :3 or www or ^.^ this helps make them feel more welcome.

Last but not least dish out fanart and use filters successfully. I don't care what you might have to say or if you disagree bottom line is you're here to make money.

[Anonymous No.1967600]

>>1967595
>Real talk though
Real talk. The video, and what is being said is what's important. No one said anything about the guy as a person.

[Anonymous No.1967604]

>>1967600
Yes. But read on.
This will happen to you too if you're not careful m8.

[Anonymous No.1967606]

>>1967430
brian here happy to confirm your all butthurt

[Anonymous No.1967609]

>>1967606
It's funny because you might actually make it with that shitty rendering, if you do this >>1967597

[Anonymous No.1967611]

>>1967492
>because it discourages people from using reference to get some sort of "I did it on my own" cred.

What you or /ic/ thinks is acceptable in terms of heavy referencing or tracing within very specific fields of art is a separate issue from how we appraise someone's artistic skill. All other things being equal, an artist who can draw from imagination is better than the one who must rely on copying. I would imagine that a majority of people would find a drawing to be less impressive if they learn it was traced.

This is also separate from the legal issue of plagiarism. Looking at the majority of these comparisons, I think they would not pass legal muster if someone were to take legal action, although the chances of that happening is exceedingly small. But this is a real ethical problem, and worth shining a light on it.

Finally, new artists should very much be encouraged to go beyond studies, internalize information, and be able to draw without reference, even while maintaining a regular regiment of studies. The market reality is this: most companies do not want tracers. Not only do companies have an interest in minimizing legal issues that result from copying, it is simply not a rare or impressive skill set to have, and it's certainly not something that will propel someone to the upper creative positions. With so many of the lower tier jobs in GFX now being offshored, it is more important than ever for would be artists to expand their abilities beyond those easily accomplished by grunts.

[Anonymous No.1967612]

>>1967430

i'm seriously considering creating a fake da account, paying some cute girl for a couple of pixs to use in the account, then setting up a twitter etc, and doing the same shit kronprinz does. 30-45 minutes a day tracing over cosplayers and painting over anime screenshots, posting it every day, constantly. sharing it to every group. then making a patreon and going full potatoe on the marketin side. just to see how depressingly easy it is. and make big bucks.

how viable would this be? i'm a competent painter already, and i have a feeling this wouldn't take a lot of time from my day.

[Anonymous No.1967613]

www.livestream.com/kr0npr1nz/
TRACING HUE HUE

[Anonymous No.1967615]

>>1967430
Is everyone defending him forgeting the fact that HE exposes other people as plagarism for doing the exact same thing he is doing?

[Anonymous No.1967616]

>>1967613
fucking kill yourself you shitty fucking shill
>>1967565
>>1967565
>>1967565

>>1967553
>>1967553
>>1967553
>>1967553
>>1967553

[Anonymous No.1967619]

>tracing
You know that he uploads the process video for his patrons, right?

[Anonymous No.1967620]

>>1967606
Don't draw negroids. NEVER NEVER NEVER. Brown hues are ok, but only on caucasians. Nobody, even the most liberal tumblrina consciously likes african heritage people. Even if they talk about why there's not enough of it on tumblr and facebook. People are only comfortable with their own race. 99% of tumblr art and reposts are of whites and asians. Attempts at drawing black people are usually 80% black skinned Caucasians with red noses, and the other 20% get no replies. Face it darkies, nobody wants to see you even if they scream about it on facebook.

And what the fuck is going on with the background?

[Anonymous No.1967622]

>>1967439
It's not from Bake. More than likely Tsukimonogatari.

[Anonymous No.1967624]

>>1967597
>If there is anything we can learn from this, it's how to take Shekels away from plebs and market successfully. First thing's first, make an alternative account. You are from Japan, marketing yourself as a girl only makes it that much better. Learn how to use emoticons in every case you can such as :3 or www or ^.^ this helps make them feel more welcome.
Teru-chan, is that you?

[Anonymous No.1967625]

>>1967613
This is completely different from copying another artists work. These artists chose their motives very deliberately. With stilllifes a lot of work goes into arranging things. With scenery, people find a motive, chose a frame and capture it at the angle of their chosing.

[Anonymous No.1967626]

>>1967613
DON'T ENTER HIS STREAM
THIS IS A MARKETING SCHEME
THE RAID WAS PLANNED
IT WAS ALL PLANNED FOR ATTENTION
DON'T BE FOOLED

IGNORE HIDE REPORT DRAMA THREADS
PLEASE KEEP /ic/ CIVIL AND EXCELLENT

[Anonymous No.1967629]

>>1967626
>dat damage control

KIDF is in full force.

[Anonymous No.1967630]

>>1967619

As if we will stoop so low as to support confirmed tracers, art thieves, and photobashers. /ic/ needs to fight this art war, son. /ic/ is the hero the art community needs. /ic/ needs to ruin these hacks so that real artists who puts in blood, sweat, and tears into making proper art using time tested methods and teachers like Loomis can get the success they deserve.

[Anonymous No.1967633]

>>1967625
>These artists
Those are Kr0n's works.

[Kr0npr1nz No.1967634]

>>1967593
He is pretty hot

[Anonymous No.1967635]

>>1967629
How many braincells do you have to get before you realize that this is planned marketing? This is why he's making cash. Imbeciles like you create a market for it.

[Kr0npr1nz No.1967636]

Наебамуc хитрамуc

[Anonymous No.1967638]

>>1967611
>I would imagine that a majority of people would find a drawing to be less impressive if they learn it was traced.

That's not a very useful measure.

Representative paintings are first and foremost illusions, the majority of people would find a magician's trick to be less impressive if they learnt how it was done but that doesn't make the magician somehow worse.

I don't disagree that imagination and unreferenced (or lightly referenced) work is important, but it seems pretty obvious that any aides that enhance or expedite the work should be employed. It's really just a question of putting in the effort to make it legal (creative commons/public domain refs, shooting your own refs, paying models, et cetera...)

[Anonymous No.1967639]

>>1967634
dat underbite

[Anonymous No.1967640]

>>1967613
Funny, I don't see any of those pics in his gallery. Also, I would not even bat an eyelid if someone found out that those are not actually by him.

[Anonymous No.1967641]

>>1967636
придёшь ты блядь на кон какой-то и побреим тебя хуеcоc ебанный

[Anonymous No.1967643]

Stop harassing him, shitlords.
You are as bad as gamergate kids.

[Anonymous No.1967645]

>>1967635
>planned marketing
>Lost 500 usd on his patreon
Good job

[Anonymous No.1967647]

>>1967645
YOU FUCKING PIECE OF DUMB IDIOT SHIT
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON HE'S DOING THIS

[Anonymous No.1967649]

>>1967620
>Imagine drawing a person with african features in white-face for the SJW crowd
>It could be a glorious troll

[Anonymous No.1967650]

>>1967633
Yeah, yeah. They're all kr0n's work. Even the ones in his gallery.

Oh right, lol.

[Anonymous No.1967653]

just came by to say
enjoy the drama shitlords
I can't say I feel bad for kr0n he kinda deserves it
meanwhile us real artists will just be chilling and living the alla prima life in peace and quiet

[Anonymous No.1967654]

alright which one of you fags is spamming the livestream

[Anonymous No.1967655]

>>1967643
>Stop harassing him, shitlords.
This isn't harassment. This is counter harassment for the artists and patrons that he is harassing.

[Anonymous No.1967656]

4chan is harassing a game developer again
*sigh*

[Anonymous No.1967657]

>>1967451
>they dont claim its original work, as kron does

Except he doesn't. Pretty much every image in that OP pic is labeled as a study on his tumblr..

[Anonymous No.1967661]

>>1967653
>meanwhile us real artists will just be chilling and living the alla prima life in peace and quiet
Right. Good to know you don't have an opinion on anything. Go back to the land of neutralia.

[Anonymous No.1967662]

>>1967656
>*sigh*

Go home snake.

[Anonymous No.1967664]

>>1967473
Nothing, japanese artists trace all the time. Every single background you find in most mange or anime is either a trace or a paintover.

[Anonymous No.1967665]

>>1967654
>/ic/ in charge of reverting to autistic and childish temper tantrums.

[Anonymous No.1967667]

>>1967657
DA has a category for studies. He doesn't seem to care much about that, does he?

[Anonymous No.1967669]

>>1967654
>never link a livestream to 4chan
>and think things will be alright

>>1967657
I think you missed the fact that HE DIDN'T. There was nothing on his kiki animation that said anything of the sort. Not to mention the 50 images that have been caught and aren't in the OP image. You're spouting bullshit for some reason, and I don't know why.

[Anonymous No.1967670]

>>1967654
How immature
As expected from /ic/

[Anonymous No.1967672]

>>1967661
Except that your conflict is literally small time irrelevancy. Wasting your time on such meaningless triteness lol whatever

[Anonymous No.1967674]

What are you planning to do honestly? Would you will bad if you ruined his life?

I'm just wondering what the goal here is, because it seems to just be for LULZ right now with no direction.

[Anonymous No.1967675]

You just mad becuase he's drowning in Japanese pussies like a fucking prince

[Anonymous No.1967676]

>>1967626
>>1967626
>>1967626

>>1967626
>>1967626

>>1967626

>>1967626
IGNORE HIDE REPORT THREAD

[Anonymous No.1967678]

>>1967672
What I do in my freetime is none of your business. Get back to whatever you were doing.
>or continue trolling

[Anonymous No.1967679]

>>1967638
>That's not a very useful measure.

How is the opinion of your audience not important? It's the very reason kr0n was not forthcoming about the level of plagiarism in his paintovers.

Using magic as an analogy, having artwork so easily exposed as copies and traces is the equivalent of a magician tripping up on stage. What these comparisons reveal is that Kr0n's tricks were cheap, and he tried to pass it off as real magic. There's a level of deception here, one that would not be necessary except for that one truth: people are less impressed by traces and copies.

[Anonymous No.1967680]

>>1967674
half of us are in it for lulz I bet but the other half seems more concerned about the negative impacts it has as they are competing against someone who plagiarizes and makes profit from it.

[Anonymous No.1967681]

Get a life, virgins

[Anonymous No.1967682]

>>1967674
honestly, i don't care, i hope he makes a million shekels off these suckers.

i'll never have tea with him, if we go to master mullins house, but i wish him the best.

[Anonymous No.1967684]

>>1967675
>he's drowning in Japanese pussies like a fucking prince
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHA TOP KEK M8

[Anonymous No.1967685]

>>1967684
Stay mad. Stay jelly.

[Anonymous No.1967687]

>>1967674
The direction is to get him to stop copying or heavily referencing other artists or unknowing cos-players for his images without giving any sort of proper credit to them, every single place that he posts said images, or possibly even informing these people that he is using their works. Whatever happens to his reputation in the process, I don't give a fuck. He literally brought this on himself.

[Anonymous No.1967688]

>>1967685
ill slap you in the face with my crowned dick faggit

[Anonymous No.1967689]

>>1967682
don't even mention MM's name in this thread
just the nerve of it disgusts me

[Anonymous No.1967690]

>don't you feel bad about ruinning this poor poersons life?
>lol you kids are so immature, don't you have something better to do?
>you're just giving him more money by raising awareness of his corruption!

Just stop it with the badly executed damagecontrol.

[Anonymous No.1967691]

>>1967669
Look, I'm not as obsessed with this guy as you are, but almost every image I come across that is "traced" is labeled as a study on his tumblr. Just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't make it any less true.

[Anonymous No.1967692]

>>1967675
>been to japan
>seen these japanese girls
yo, there's a reason most japanese men only like underage girls and their little sisters... not trying to spoil it for you, but japanese women are literally the most butt ugly mutants in the asian race.

[Anonymous No.1967693]

>>1967676
>>1967626
what a nerd. we'll never get the respect of the other boards at this rate.

[Anonymous No.1967694]

>>1967690
What are you even trying to prove shithead?
Who's damage controlling what? Those were legitimate arguments against this atrocity of a thread.

[Anonymous No.1967695]

>>1967674
I think what people are trying to do here is to put attention to his gallery which is full of "studys" not even sure if there is one work that he can claim his own creation then to just grab the original concept.

Fun fact: Look at his gallery from 2009 and how constant his artstyle changed.
Probably also just stolen stuff

[Anonymous No.1967696]

Did this seriously start because some people on /ic/ got so upset by how much money this artist was making on Patreon?
This is horribly childish, a person is making money in a way you deem "incorrect", so you start a whole crusade. Is it cheap of kr0n to get so much attention for his "studies"? Sure, I guess. Is that somehow reason to try and ruin him?
I see the argument that making money from his Patreon, while posting studies, is somehow "wrong" because he doesn't own the images. (Which is ridiculous, because he's being payed per week, not per picture, so that doesn't even apply.) But it's in no way different than selling fan-art prints. And people include figure drawing works in portfolio's, so why is it wrong to include a study?
As for tracing, I see no solid basis for that. His work appears to be accurate, but drawn by referencing and looking at the image. This is like when people post legitimate studies on /ic/ and get accused of tracing because it's too accurate. I'm so tired of seeing this threads everyday.

[Anonymous No.1967697]

>a guy is paving a way for artists to make enough money to sustain themselves while studying art
>/ic/ is trying to ruin his life

[Anonymous No.1967698]

>>1967689
looks like someone didn't get invited to master mullin's house. Only the promising artists get to break bread there.

[Anonymous No.1967699]

>>1967681
good one mate, maybe you'll grow up and get an actual opinion someday

[Anonymous No.1967701]

>>1967675
With that face af animu weaboo. I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.1967702]

Good job faggots you've managed to gain momentum in this whole ordeal.

[Anonymous No.1967703]

>>1967693
We never had the respect of the other threads because they didn't know we existed. AND IT WAS PERFECTLY FINE. FOR HOW LONG THOUGH? First it was /cgl/'s massive vagina invasion into our drawthreads creating the conflict and the eventual creation of splitting the drawthread into other threads like the bullshit alternative, then the entirety of /r9k/s memes fell over into here and we had shitty depressive shit all over. NOW YOU WANT TO FUCK IT UP WITH EVEN MORE? FUCK YOU. GET OUT OF HERE.

[Kr0npr1nz No.1967704]

>>1967613
>crane
GTA 5 confirmed
>>1967641
Хуево им быть. Такая-то толпа оcтолопов повелаcь на мои вброcы. Ща ему бабло вcе cнимут cвоим интеллектом

[Anonymous No.1967705]

>>1967697
>>1967696
>BUT HE DID IT BETTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>DEE DEDEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.1967706]

>>1967647
Are you mentally challenged or something? Do you realize how patreon works? People have to GIVE YOU money. He doesn't get money from having a handful of people talk shit about him on the internet. You aren't on /v/ right now you crossposting retard, /ic/ has barely 200 individual posters total per day and I guarantee you not a single one would ever even consider giving Kron money.

[Anonymous No.1967707]

>>1967698
Stop using his name here. And you misinterpreted my post, I meant that this shithead doesn't deserve to even be on the same galaxy as MM, let alone a thread.

[Anonymous No.1967710]

>>1967620
why do you think i draw them? I can do great drawings and be left alone. Some people don't want attention. same reason I do funny illustrations instead of concept art stuff. people leave funny people alone.

also black girls are the best. clearly you've never been with one.

[Anonymous No.1967711]

>>1967691
Labeling a couple of traced screenshots as a study does not make it right. It doesn't account for all the things he has posted on DA that are blatant rip offs. It doesn't excuse his shitty behavior. It doesn't dismiss the fact that he is an obvious fraud, or that all his pictures are "studies" of some kind. It has nothing to do with fitting narratives. This is the narrative of justice, and you're just on the dumbass side is all. I can't help that your parents fucked up raising you, or that you're invested in kr0n in some way.

[Anonymous No.1967716]

>>1967704
Так ты ОП на дваче что-ле?
Да и хуй c ним, так ему и надо, нехуй было выёбыватcя в интернете.

[Anonymous No.1967717]

>>1967697
What do you expect? /ic/ is full of bitter fucks who have long given up to ever make a living with their shitty art. When they see artists making a comfortable living with what they deem easy, they get incredibly mad.

[Anonymous No.1967718]

>>1967707
master spooge demon mullins or craig crowned prince mullins? Olly Jonston or was it Miles Lawson? Sakimichan?

who are we talking about?!?!

[Anonymous No.1967719]

>>1967718
I am talking about the guy who literally brought texture brushes into this industry.

[Anonymous No.1967720]

>>1967696
>Did this seriously start because some people on /ic/ got so upset by how much money this artist was making on Patreon?
Stopped right there. You are way off base partner. Read the fucking thread. Use your damn brain, and then figure out why people are annoyed with him. It was all trolls until he got exposed for being a fraud.

[Anonymous No.1967721]

>>1967710
that post was soaked in sarcasm anon, but he's kind of right

[Anonymous No.1967723]

>>1967702
Hey, JimboBox. Get ready. I hope you protect your mails, facebook and private information.

[Anonymous No.1967724]

>>1967697
>a guy is paving a way for artists to make enough money to sustain themselves while studying art
Paving the way or copying and tracing actual artists and taking potential customers/cashflow from real artists all while sullying the entire art community?
>you decide

[Anonymous No.1967725]

>>1967711
>justice

Look, I don't really give a shit either way, but at least call it what it is. Jealousy. You are jealous of a guy who makes 10,000$ a month, while you post your ugly ass study in the /ic/ study thread where you get maybe 1 reply telling you to learn to draw.

[Anonymous No.1967726]

>>1967718
Also, are you the shithead who keeps messing up all of these names up? Like saying Richard Loomis? You think this is a fucking cute meme or something you piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.1967728]

>>1967724
tracing is only ok if you live in japan and went to the top russian academy for tracing anime.

[Anonymous No.1967729]

>MUH JUSTICE
>MUH ARTISTIC INTEGRITY

You sound like gamergater.

[Anonymous No.1967730]

>>1967676
>>1967676
>>1967676
>>1967676
>>1967676

>>1967626
>>1967626
>>1967626
>>1967626
IGNORE HIDE REPORT DRAMA THREADS

[Anonymous No.1967731]

>>1967726
Oh you mean Sakimichon is actually a fat chinese man from malaysia?

[Anonymous No.1967733]

>>1967705
You're being ridiculous.
The entire bases of this drama is that his studies are too accurate, and must therefor be traced.
That's the fucking point people are making in this thread.
Accurate, not better. But when comparing his 'studies' and his reference, they don't match perfectly. But then you'll just spout "push and pull" to cover your ass because you can't actually prove he traces.
Is it cheap as hell that he does this? Sure fucking thing. But he labels it all as studies, so what do you want? What exactly is the desired outcome of this whole debacle?

But really, /ic/ is always quick to call trace for next to no reason. I've been accused of tracing when I used to post studies here, it's ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.1967734]

>>1967453
Plagiarism is illegal. He's probably not going to face any legal ramifications for it, but aside from that, it's also fucking despicable to pass someone else's work as your own.
>>1967473
>>1967664
Higashiyama Shou's Prism was canceled extremely quickly when he was caught tracing.
>background
Backgrounds are often paintings of real places, made from photos taken BY the artists or someone with the team, there's no plagiarism them.

[Anonymous No.1967736]

>>1967726
What is Loomis's last name ?

[Anonymous No.1967737]

>>1967707
>Stop using his name here. And you misinterpreted my post, I meant that this shithead doesn't deserve to even be on the same galaxy as MM, let alone a thread.

funny because I remember a very similar shitstorm a couple months ago where autists went crazy after realizing that Mullins flat out copy-pasted some other artist's painting of the sea into his own concept piece.

[Anonymous No.1967738]

>>1967717
>What do you expect? /ic/ is full of bitter fucks who have long given up to ever make a living with their shitty art.
Bitter fucks, or warriors of justice in the art world? Cry more. Seriously. Cry it all out.

[Anonymous No.1967741]

>>1967733
post one of your studies and the ref i'll be really nice, I swear on my stack of pirated loomis pdfs

[Anonymous No.1967742]

I want /r9k/ /cgl/ /v/ /co/ /a/ /b/ /tg/ /soc/ to fucking leave already.

[Anonymous No.1967745]

>>1967725
>Look, I don't really give a shit either way, but at least call it what it is. Jealousy.
Looks like you're jealous for attention. Hey buddy. Hope this reply makes you happy.

He is tracing, he is copying, he is a fraud, I don't give a shit about your trite little quibbles with yourself, and also stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.1967746]

>>1967742
you forgot /tv/ and /pol/

want me to go get them?

[Anonymous No.1967747]

>>1967738
>Bitter fucks, or warriors of justice in the art world?

Bitter fucks.

[Anonymous No.1967748]

>>1967737
Yeah I know about that, as far as anyone's concerned you don't know the circumstances behind that work. Maybe he was in debt, was pressured or literally any other thing could've motivated him to do so. That doesn't disqualify the massive mileage he has contributed to our hobby.

[Anonymous No.1967749]

>>1967733
>are you seriously making this argument with a straight face?

[Anonymous No.1967750]

>>1967720
You can pretend that isn't what it is all you want, but going through the thread doesn't support your argument.
Does Kr0n sell his studies as prints? Does he label them as original work? He is at fault for being unclear, but still labeling what he does. He SHOULD better mention the source, judging by this thread that much is clear.

[Anonymous No.1967752]

>>1967746
/pol/ has always been here.

[Anonymous No.1967755]

>>1967748
>>1967737
WHAT THE FUCK?! NOOOOOOOOOO!!


NOT MASTER MULLINS HE CAVED INTO TRACING TOO?! IS HE GONNA BASH PHOTOS NEXT?!

[Anonymous No.1967756]

>>1967747
>Bitter fucks.
>opinions
>shitty ones

Someone has to stand up for this shit, and people like you just want everyone to sit quietly and take it in the ass without flinching. Thanks, but I never liked taking anal personally.

[Anonymous No.1967757]

>>1967745
>He is tracing,

All the overlays I've seen so far prove the exact opposite, not a single one of them lines up perfectly with the ref. Most of them are even pretty far off.

>he is copying

Well, yeah, that's kind of the purpose of a study, to copy and learn

>he is a fraud

How so? He does studies and posts drawings and sketches, people support him by their own free will, he isn't selling them any falsely advertized product or anything.

[Anonymous No.1967760]

>>1967755
Hell dude, even when I get good I'll do a couple of these. It's not wrong if you're honest about your work. Just be honest, who cares.

[Anonymous No.1967762]

>>1967750
>Does Kr0n sell his studies as prints?
It's funny because, even though it is digitally, that is basically EXACTLY what he is doing.

[Anonymous No.1967764]

>>1967750
>Does Kr0n sell his studies as prints?
yes
Does he label them as original work?
no

[Anonymous No.1967765]

HE MADE IT BETTER HE MADE IT BETTER

[Anonymous No.1967766]

>>1967756
What exactly are you standing up for? That Kron shouldn't be posting studies anymore? Seems like a rather dumb and pointless goal.

[Anonymous No.1967767]

>>1967757
>Well, yeah, that's kind of the purpose of a study, to copy and learn
So far off base that you're not even worth a decent reply. So you can have this reply.

[Anonymous No.1967768]

>>1967694
You just want us to let this kind of behavior go unchallenged, you want us to sit and watch while it becomes broadly accepted by society? Do you really believe that we need to allow things to escalate before we have the right to speak up against scammers who are plainly deceiving people into giving them money? You just want everyone to shut up and pretend that nothing is wrong? This kind of rethoric is seriously a problem.

[Anonymous No.1967769]

>>1967654
Discussing the topic is ok, harrasing him? WTF /ic/

[Anonymous No.1967771]

>>1967765
>literally paints over frame by frame
such skills
much creativity
top art school of russia

[Anonymous No.1967773]

This entire thread needs to be nuked.

[Anonymous No.1967775]

We're going to DDoS jamesghio.blogspot

[Anonymous No.1967777]

>>1967764
sounds like the stairway to heaven argument
>hurrr we never said it was original, we just made half a billion off it!

[Anonymous No.1967778]

>>1967768
No. You're hurting yourself by giving this guy attention. He is getting attention right now. He's "hot" and "#trending" because you're talking about him, even bad publicity is good publicity rule # 7 of marketing.

[Anonymous No.1967781]

>>1967679
With magic as an analogy, your technique and procedure is the "trick" you hide (to the audience at least) and how they react to your performance (or the finished work) is all that matters.

I'm not defending Kr0n, by the by, just critiquing your argument. Pretty sure a magician who shamelessly stole the tricks others developed and passed them off as his own wouldn't be in the best standing either.

[Anonymous No.1967782]

>>1967769

We need to punish the evil doers. /ic/ is essentially the Batman of the art world. Guided by our morals and desire to see real artists reclaim the jobs and money they deserve over the art fakers, we shall overcome.

[Anonymous No.1967783]

>>1967769
It's hardly harrassment if you spam an empty, offline livestream chat. More like an autistic manchild having a spasm.

[Anonymous No.1967784]

>>1967696
Ok so tracing is stealing but ok to make money of it, I wonder what writers think about that, take a whole text change a few parts, publish it as my own

[Anonymous No.1967787]

>>1967766
Yeah man, you're right. All his pics are just studies, and using other artists pictures as underlays for studies and making a patreon based on it is perfectly fine. I mean, even though most of his art is a few pixels off from the works he copies, it doesn't mean he is TRACING them, so I guess it's alright. Using the exactly same bg and just blurring it isn't a bad thing either, I mean who wants to take the time to create BGs after all. He doesn't deserve all the shit that /ic/ (jealous virgins) are giving him. He's a respected artist who works for a studio in Japan and he gets all the Japanese girl ass he wants. Man, I was so deluded by all this nonsense that I almost forgot I was a mindless bastard with a very limited amount brain cells.

[Anonymous No.1967788]

>>1967778
Telll that to @carlosmenstealia #thief Rule $62 of fuckin up #swipepr1nz

[Anonymous No.1967790]

>>1967769
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1967792]

Who the fuck would pay for this, like even if he doesn't trace them and just draws the scene who would want to spend money on that unimaginative shit?

[Anonymous No.1967793]

>>1967775
>jamesghio.blogspot
For being an actual artist? Good job. I'm sure that will make the buttlord kr0n very happy.

[Anonymous No.1967794]

>>1967778
>even bad publicity is good publicity rule # 7 of marketing.

Are you really this stupid? Kron is an artist, not an actor for fuck's sake. He doesn't make a cent from trending on twitter or getting a bunch of hate on the internet. He makes money from people on patreon and being known as a tracer and fraud does not exactly do you any good when it comes to patreon money.

[Anonymous No.1967795]

>>1967783
>empty
>will literally be logging into this

[Anonymous No.1967796]

>>1967788
You think you're fighting the good fight by continuing to talk about it. But the reality of it is that you're just going to create opportunity for the kr0n defense force to spread an overwhelming amount of misinformation. Fans are unbelievably dedicated and they have the biggest advantage, numbers, I'd wager you can spot a couple ones in this thread talking to us right now.

[Anonymous No.1967797]

>>1967559

>daily reminder sakimichan makes $300,000 and change a year just to draw anime people from the waist up

[Anonymous No.1967798]

>>1967778
>>1967778
>even bad publicity is good publicity rule # 7 of marketing.
Unfortunately, not in this case. Bad publicity is amazing for certain individuals. Artists with patreons and reputations? Not so much.

[Anonymous No.1967799]

>>1967453
Theres a big fucking scam going on by a snake who can't sneek.
so yes people care.

[Anonymous No.1967800]

I wouldn't be shocked to learn that most of this thread was someone arguing with themselves.

[Anonymous No.1967801]

>>1967762
People support Kr0n's patreon to allow him to draw what ever he wants. He isn't paid per drawing, much less per study.
>>1967764
I just went through his Society 6, and I spot a couple photo-referenced images of Japanese women on the street to be the most compelling thing to your claim. Someone tried to claim that gurren lagann drawing is "traced/copied" in the thread, but that claim had no ground. Which of those prints are traced?

[Anonymous No.1967802]

>>1967800
>204/31/45/1

Are you shocked yet

[Anonymous No.1967803]

LOOK I MADE A TUTORIAL FOR HOW TO KR0NPR1NZ
EVERYBODY LETS GO MAKE SOME MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.1967805]

>>1967787
None of what you say is true though. If you looked at that imgur that got posted a day or so ago with those overlays, it's not a couple pixels. The drawings are clearly not traced, but whatever, you already made up your mind and you need to believe your own lies at this point. You have already invested too much energy into this and you have nothing else in your life, so this crusade needs to fill the emptiness inside you for at least the next week or two.

Have fun.

[Anonymous No.1967806]

>>1967796
just post this over and over >>1967765
>>1967430


nigger is a clear thief, tracing or not he's painting over frames lol that's the same sin

[Anonymous No.1967807]

Oh and for new posters who haven't seen the shit show on the other thread, here's the master compilation. Feel free to edit stuff in and out as you please :D

[Anonymous No.1967808]

>>1967803
#chromaticabberationtutorial
#patreon
@stealk1ng

[Anonymous No.1967809]

>>1967794
Quality misconception from someone who doesn't understand anything about the internet. Ask yourself the question How does he make money on patreon, and how do people find him next time before you make a post. There is a technique called The Recursive, whereupon you create a situation of dire controversy surrounding the product, at the beginning of it you will see numbers of consumer base drop to as much as half. It is at this stage where you use all of your other techniques to bring awareness and spread misinformation of the product, like creating a thread like this for instance, and on other places all over the internet at the same time. Go check other sites and see for yourself, I guarantee you that you will see very similar posts like this one for example >>1967769

You kiddies just don't understand how this shit works, you couldn't do a shit when it was Noah. And you won't be able to do a shit with kr0n either, unless you stop taking the bait.

[Anonymous No.1967810]

>>1967795
Just curious, but how do you trace while on livestream without others noticing?

[Anonymous No.1967811]

>>1967696
Yes. But bullshit like this is common among boards like /v/,/pol/ and /co/ sometimes.

Don't worry though, these kind of threads tend to turn into raid/dox circlejerks (breaking the rules) and will end up nuked by the mods, so your best move is to report and ignore them.

[Anonymous No.1967812]

>>1967806

Shitposter pls

>>1967544
>>1967588

[Anonymous No.1967813]

>>1967796
Bill Cosby's legacy is forever ruined because a young comedian called him out on stage in a joke.

[Anonymous No.1967814]

>>1967796
>You think you're fighting the good fight by continuing to talk about it. But the reality of it is that you're just going to create opportunity for the kr0n defense force to spread an overwhelming amount of misinformation. Fans are unbelievably dedicated and they have the biggest advantage, numbers, I'd wager you can spot a couple ones in this thread talking to us right now.
Two things.
Number one, you're vastly overestimating the prowess of his (dwindling number of) white knights.
Number two. You're very vastly underestimating what some of the people here can do with their time. Also, how many people will take our side, since we have cold hard facts and evidence.

All it takes is a few social media plugs and the number suddenly tip in our favor. Dramatically.

[Anonymous No.1967815]

>>1967810
2 monitors
you can do it if you're clever

[Anonymous No.1967816]

>>1967784
Literally prove it.
Not one of his studies match up perfectly with the reference. So prove he traced. I swear to god if you say "well he pushed and pulled it a bit to cover it up" I will be done with this thread.
And out of curiosity, what is wrong with doing a frame by frame study of animation? I'm no animator, but I know that is a thing that is done often to learn animation. I'm not defending kr0n on this one, he was vague in his description of that one so deserves a bit of backlash there, but what is wrong with studying an animation frame by frame?

[Anonymous No.1967817]

>>1967797
>ing scam going on by a snake who can't sneek.
>so yes people care.
She is fine. Even though that's a shitload of money, she earns it honestly.

[Anonymous No.1967818]

>>1967810
trace and copying for profit and fame is the same evil

[Anonymous No.1967819]

>>1967815
not to defend him, but at that point it's just hard studying.

If your shit isn't overlayed it's not tracing. It might be copying, but it's not tracing.

[Anonymous No.1967820]

>>1967778
See, this is precisely what I mean.

Sure, kronprinz might get more followers because we're drecting peoples attention toward him, but this kind of debate serves to make people think about what artistic integrety means.

Those who are afraid of talking about controversial topics because they believe that they're only 'giving radical movements momentum' are the ones who allow them to fester and become serious problems. When things like this happen it's unhealthy for us to shut up and pretend that nothing is wrong. Debates need to happen.

[Anonymous No.1967821]

>>1967813
I don't think that's the reason.....

[Anonymous No.1967822]

>>1967801
>People support Kr0n's patreon to allow him to draw what ever he wants. He isn't paid per drawing, much less per study.
Well, now they have information at their disposal on what he is actually drawing, and information can enlighten.

[Anonymous No.1967823]

>>1967809
He already lost patrons and almost 500$ per month due to all this you fucking moron. Bad publicity is BAD publicity for almost every person who isn't directly making money off of pageviews.

[Anonymous No.1967825]

>>1967814
I honestly feel for you guys. But it's entirely hopeless, this whole endeavor is. Who are you going to convice? Kids at deviantart? Tumblr? Facebook? Do you honestly believe that if you link all of this evidence to average plebs or newfriend artists that they will instantly change their stance on kr0n?

Please, this is the internet, where I'm right and you're wrong, and NO AMOUNT of evidence will convince me otherwise is the dresscode of these people.

[Anonymous No.1967826]

>>1967803
That's going too far. He doesn't even bother to flip the images, but yes, it IS that easy.

[Anonymous No.1967828]

>>1967805
>None of what you say is true though.
Oh, but it is my friend. You're just too ignorant to get past the word "trace" and like I said, you're missing a few too many brain cells to understand the conversation here. Is this where I pat you on the head?

[Anonymous No.1967829]

>>1967729
So by your logic we should just abandon integrity all together and copy/trace off eachother?

[Anonymous No.1967831]

>>1967816
No, I mean not tracing, im mad about him not saying is referenced, he doesnt change anything, not even colors or posture, just the eyes/nose/lips a bit and call it a day, advertise, shit on people who do the same, and then go preaching hes awesome, make money from people who want to learn but he is not properly teaching, you HAVE to know how to draw from imagination, or youll be a slave to your reference forever.

[Anonymous No.1967832]

>>1967829

I was gonna make some satirical greentext about how art is dead like those gamers are dead articles that kicked off GG then I remembered modern art is real.

[Anonymous No.1967833]

>>1967819
If you have a good eye for shapes you can easily copy images without tracing over them. It's no more creative or 'your own work' than working on top of an image.

[Anonymous No.1967834]

>>1967809
>You kiddies just don't understand how this shit works
How about we wage a bet?
>His patreon goes down by 1 month from now
I win.
>His patreon explodes and everyone is suddenly supporting him
You win.

Let the numbers/facts talk, and shut your stupidly opinionated mouth.

[Anonymous No.1967835]

>>1967820
It's not being afraid, I am taking things in a very precise and calculated matter. Things like these have already happened over and over, it's something that is quantifiable and measurable, as well as predictable. Save this in the archive and you will come back to my post.

It's ironic how you linked mgs, but you didn't understand how it relates to this incident. You talking about this conflict creates what was referred to in-game as pointless data. In a sense you are fueling the conflict by your own accord without even realizing it.

[Anonymous No.1967837]

>>1967826
He has process videos and step-by-step tutorials for tons of his images. Do you honestly think he is reverse engineering EVERYTHING from scratch? The amount of effort that would take is ten times as much as just drawing and painting it by hand, which is how his work looks like. None of his drawings look remotely traced for example.

[Anonymous No.1967839]

>>1967725

>You're just jealous!

The rallying cry of beliebers worldwide.

[Anonymous No.1967841]

>>1967829
As some guy who's not invested in any of this whatsoever because i don't give a shit

I learned to draw people by copying porn off the screen and onto paper. prior to this everything i drew was inanimate

copying drawings makes you better like it or not

[Anonymous No.1967843]

Someone add this

http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1423173081381.jpg

To this pic
>>1967807

[Anonymous No.1967844]

>>1967828
>You're just too ignorant to get past the word "trace"

you mean I understand the word "trace" whereis you apparently use it as "drawing that looks remotely similar to the reference"

[Anonymous No.1967846]

>>1967819
So call it copying, who gives a flying fuck. It doesn't make it any less of an issue. Many of his art is clearly traced. Look at the kiki animation bg for instance. It's not rocket science broski.

[Anonymous No.1967847]

>>1967841
Yes we all do it. But we don't make money off that shit because some realize that's pretty fucked up and we could get in trouble with the law.

[Anonymous No.1967848]

>>1967823
Read my post again, very carefully before you make another post.

>>1967834
Did you take a 101 in marketing and think you have it all figured out m8?

[Anonymous No.1967851]

The most funny thing, that imbeciles really don't knew about his study refs all this time. I create this thread just for fun, but ебанутые пиндоcы поехали и cтали cкамить крона по вcему интернету. Pure gold.

[Anonymous No.1967853]

>>1967822
I'm not against getting it out there that he references and uses other images for his studies and work. That's fine, kr0n needs to better address this stuff.
But the people doing this are also putting out misinformation when they say "trace". The fact is, there is no evidence that he traces. But you all are pushing that word so hard, that people are going to believe it. I just saw someone in this thread say "You're too ignorant to get past the word "trace"", which is such a sneaky way of trying to avoid being called out on the bullshit. You may think everyone "gets" what you mean when you say trace, that what you really mean is reference, but the average person or backer on Patreon or whoever isn't going to get that. That's why you're pushing the word trace so hard, because people wouldn't care as much if you said the truth, because "tracing" resonates so much harder with people.

[Anonymous No.1967855]

>>1967825
Well, we can sit back and do nothing, like you've probably been doing your entire life.
Or we can use the Internet for it's true purpose, to spread information.

Here's the thing. We don't need to convince anyone. We put the information out there, and they can convince themselves. Isn't that a swell thing? Or we could sit back, and again, pick our noses. Sorry, but I do get bored of sitting.

[Anonymous No.1967857]

>>1967839
Well, almost 90% of the stuff I see posted on /ic are shitty photostudies. Now every one of you faggots apparently is hellbent on crucifying this guy who makes money because people like his studies. That to me seems like a pretty big case of jealousy.

[Anonymous No.1967858]

>>1967851
и чё ты лыбишьcя педик, и тебя найдут
чё думаешь не найдём? найдём, много руccких c айcи не туcуютcя :^)

[Anonymous No.1967859]

>>1967803
cool ima do that, but im change the character clothing. and i wont be caught like k0rnsprince

[Anonymous No.1967860]

>>1967848
You are a mentally challenged /v/ crossposter. Please go back to your homeboard.

[Anonymous No.1967862]

>>1967837
>None of his drawings look remotely traced for example.
Maybe people shouldn't be able to pull up a reference that looks nearly identical to everything he has ever posted. Just saying. You clearly don't know what the fuck an artist or art is. Why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.1967863]

>>1967843
WOW

[Anonymous No.1967864]

One of main jelly unskill scammers.
>57 followers
>shit art
We're going to steal his account
https://twitter.com/AzureBladeXIII

[Anonymous No.1967865]

>>1967857
put down your sketchbook, the dream is over. You have gone from a beginner to a pleb. All in one retarded post.

[Anonymous No.1967866]

>>1967844
Trace, copy, like I said. You're too retarded to get past the word trace. Thanks for further proving my point.

[Anonymous No.1967867]

>>1967860
I've been on this board before you even had puberty. There have already been examples of this happening before, and everything I've said has happened exactly as I said it would. Understanding marketing techniques is just a way of putting it all into a measurable pattern.

[Anonymous No.1967868]

>>1967864
he's really good and has nice lewd colors. dont do it faggot.

[Anonymous No.1967869]

>>1967848
>Did you take a 101 in marketing and think you have it all figured out m8?
I'd rather not waste my precious time with simple courses for plebs. Also, it doesn't take a marketing genius to make a simple bet of numbers.

[Anonymous No.1967870]

the draw thread gets no fucking replies but this shit is top of the page everytime someone makes a thread like this. wtf are you guys doing.

[Anonymous No.1967871]

>>1967870
Drama's more interesting than drawing I guess.

[Anonymous No.1967872]

>>1967853
Like I said, he clearly traces many of the images. No one can prove it obviously, because of things like blur or lasso resize combo, but if you fervently believe he didn't trace anything, that is up to your discretion. It doesn't dismiss his copying, though, which is really the point of the thread and all this disdain for him.

[Anonymous No.1967873]

>>1967869
Yes because obviously you understand so much about it judging from your post earlier, which wasn't just common sense observation and educated guesses that had nothing to do with marketing or how it works. Clearly you're full of insight on the matter that I should get shrekt on ever betting my shekels against you.

[Anonymous No.1967874]

>>1967857
You made that case 30 times in this very thread, and you refuse to read or understand the replies.

[Anonymous No.1967876]

This is one of the funniest threads I've ever seen from /ic/

I want this to go on forever. My laugh right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6PCXF2NfMg

[Anonymous No.1967880]

>>1967871
>Drama's more interesting than drawing I guess.

/ic/ confirmed for housing a bunch of females. Faggots, the lot of you.

[Anonymous No.1967881]

Brad pitt and dr house are not traced at all

[Anonymous No.1967882]

>>1967873
Do explain how I am wrong then. I'll be waiting. Or did you just want to shitpost for no reason? Oh right.

[Anonymous No.1967883]

>>1967880
>/ic/ confirmed for housing a bunch of females. Faggots, the lot of you.
>nothing good to say
>calls out fags and women
>are.. are.. you russian by any chance?

[Anonymous No.1967884]

>>1967843
>>1967843
>>1967843
>>1967843
>>1967843

[Anonymous No.1967885]

>>1967882
I did explain it already, if only you would take the time to actually read my post instead of disregarding it as as shitpost automatically.

[Anonymous No.1967887]

>>1967871
>incapable of multi-tasking
>projecting

[Anonymous No.1967890]

>>1967881
It's parody. Do you even read?

[Anonymous No.1967891]

>>1967881
>>1967843

[Anonymous No.1967893]

>>1967885
Then you didn't read mine either, that makes two of us.

>Getting information out drops his patreon numbers in a months time.
>Getting information out increases his followers, and increases his monthly revenue.

I stated that the first event will be the result of these claims getting out.

Go ahead, analyze and post the result of why I am wrong, and how you are correct, please. I'm dying to hear the answer from someone who has been through college level marketing analysis. Also, if you're going to bring in references such as artists that this has happened to prior who have gained a mass following after the fact, please list them in your post.

[Anonymous No.1967896]

wow this blewup

[Anonymous No.1967897]

>>1967835
You are only looking at consequences this has for an individual, or a small group of people. I'm talking about the implication that the mentality of refusing to talk about controversial topics has for a society.

I acknowledge that, as a person becomes the centre of a debate they will likely profit from it, simply because they are given a lot of attention, but if we're looking at communities and society, having debates is necessary. This kind of scandal has the power to change the views people have on plagiarism, and, by informing them, and make the business as a whole less lucrative.

>It's ironic how you linked mgs, but you didn't understand how it relates to this incident.
I think you may be the one who missunderstands what 'junk data' means: The thing that has turned the internet into a bunch of echochambers, and turns people into slaves of their memes, is our willingness to hide from real discussions and find and create places where we feel comfortable, hugboxes where we reeignforce eachothers beliefs. Debates across communities are the only way to break that cycle.

Pointless information is people circlejerking over their waifus, knowing every goal a soccerplayer scored over the course of his life, against whom, at what time, etc. People who are burried in that kind of junk are prevented from asking meaningful questions such as: Should a certain kind of art be considered plagiarism? Why does it get as much support as it does? Why should artists who use those kinds of methods cite their sources? Thinking about, and maybe even finding an answer to those kinds of questions does give you a broader understanding of the world, so it's not 'junk data'.

[Anonymous No.1967900]

>>1967843
You're grasping at straws with this one. You didn't even include the original image on the left, for obvious reasons.
>>1967872
>clearly traces
Here we fucking go again, prove it. You can't, but have such a raging hard on to use that word that you can't stand to imagine that he doesn't.
He's good at copying and referencing. That is NOT the same thing as tracing. People are good at copying still lives too, which you can still trace by taking a photo of it.
The evidence is in favor of him NOT tracing, and if what you're upset about is that he 'copies' then just use that word. But you won't, you'll keep saying trace for literally no reason.
(As for the BG in the animation, actually look at it. Observe the directions of wall paper stripes, and the color and blending on the mirror frame. The people that claim he just straight took the original BG image and blurred it need to open their eyes)

[Anonymous No.1967904]

>admits references
>labels studies as such
>doing literally nothing wrong

Whats the problem exactly?

[Anonymous No.1967906]

>>1967904

Because he makes money while I don't make money for my Loomis figure studies and that's not fair

[Anonymous No.1967908]

>>1967904
>study
>study
>study
>study

where is the fucking link to the ref

[Anonymous No.1967911]

>>1967908
you and all the people complaining are literally making me want to blow my brains out. holy shit. where are the mods.

[Anonymous No.1967912]

kron

[Anonymous No.1967914]

>>1967908

[Anonymous No.1967915]

>>1967908
We're changing the goalposts now.
Most artists don't link the ref. Some do, but most don't.
But perhaps that is what confuses most people on /ic/, because most reference studies are done in a thread dedicated to a single reference. So everyone already knows the reference.

[Anonymous No.1967916]

>>1967911
the sticky been dead for days, the mods are never here

[Anonymous No.1967918]

>>1967908

What are you his fucking art teacher?

As far as I'm concerned if you can make this
<--- and it's perfectly fine then what KR0NPR1NZ is doing is an acceptable level of appropriation. more so than anything that faggot Marcel Duchamp did.

[Anonymous No.1967919]

>>1967918

[Anonymous No.1967921]

>>1967911
Please do.

If you came here looking for company, chances are no one will even notice you're dead.

[Anonymous No.1967922]

This thread is all about jelly...

[Anonymous No.1967924]

>>1967900
>>>1967765
There's some proof. You can find the rest, big boy. That BG is a trace. It's not even a trace. It's worse. He took the original animation, and drew on top of it. Leaving the background intact, and blurring it. There's your proof. I'm not going to look through scumbag-a-hoys images to find out what is traced and transformed, and what isn't. Because the fact that he shamelessly uses references, poses, colors, bodies (YES you can find traced bodies if you look, but like I said, you can do that yourself big boy, stop hiding behind your words and do some footwork) ideas, compositions, whatever, and he doesn't give a reference, link, or half a fuck to the artist who originally made the original piece of art. Photos aside, there is actual artwork that he has re-created with no thought to changing anything. I'll be awaiting your next retardo-reply. By the way, the BG is an underlay. Sorry to inform you. I know it hurts your ass to be proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.1967925]

>>1967919
>Dat ass

[Anonymous No.1967928]

>>1967919

That is also a fucking affront to art. We are trying to rid the world of post-modernism and it's cancerous thinking.

[Anonymous No.1967929]

>>1967900
By the way, adding stripes behind her doesn't change anything. Just so you know. Also, for the wallpaper, look up blurring. I'm sure it's new to you, but don't get too confused.

[Anonymous No.1967931]

>>1967928

Well at least you are consistent.

[Anonymous No.1967937]

>>1967928
Frankly it'd be easier to say you aren't an artist at this point.

>Me? Oh no, I'm no artist I'm merely a painter/craftsman/illustrator/whatever

[Anonymous No.1967941]

>>1967931

They're both examples of "artists" who fucking lie and steal and cheat which is ruining art we all know and love. Fucking Picasso and Sargent never stooped so low and that's why we love their shit. They actually did art properly and you can see it.

[Anonymous No.1967943]

copying just makes sense, i don't see why so many people are butthurt about it. some people just can't think up original compositions sometimes or maybe they didn't know the anatomy to use, so they have to use from others. it isn't wrong, and it's pretty smart to be honest.

he obviously changed the face and it says study on his pics, what is so hard to understand about that? if he wasn't making money no one would give a fuck, people copy all the time. so much jelly here

[Anonymous No.1967945]

>>1967943
Actually read the thread and think about the arguments people are making before you bother posting.

[Anonymous No.1967947]

seems like this is WORKING.

he already lost 400$ per week in just a matter of a couple of hours!

>have we started the fire ?
>yes, the fire rises.

[Anonymous No.1967948]

>>1967943
sorry just saying, when /ic/ sides with copiers, you know you have it made as a copier. why even bother being legitimate at that point? fuck, lets all become kr0nz

[Anonymous No.1967951]

>>1967947

[Anonymous No.1967953]

>>1967924
>That BG is a trace. It's not even a trace. It's worse. He took the original animation, and drew on top of it
You literally have no idea what you're talking about, and it hurts.
Go ahead, explain to me how it's so clear that it's not even a trace, but the completely unaltered BG with a bit of blur (Except for the wallpaper of course, he changed that for some reason, right?).
Go ahead. In fact, why don't you recreate it yourself, it should be easy and you'll get the exact same results.

Sarcasm aside, actually LOOK AT THE BG. Carefully, I'm not going to call your eyesight into question, as you are so willing to call my intelligence into question constantly. But honestly observe it. Compare where everything is back and forth. Observe the rending and the mirror frame, notice the colours, see where things have been simplified or changed.
A casual fucking observation can tell it was an accurate re-drawing of the BG, and then blurred.
There are no "hidden fragments" of the original BG showing through that he somehow forgot to hide.
If this is your big linchpin piece of evidence that he traces, than this is sad.

[Anonymous No.1967954]

>>1967943
>some people just can't think up original compositions sometimes or maybe they didn't know the anatomy to use

Many people were probably paying him because they thought he was using original composition, and that he knows anatomy. Many more were probably hoping to learn those very things from his tutorials. There's nothing wrong with exposing any of this.

If you still want to support such an artist, that's fine.

[Anonymous No.1967957]

>>1967937
I do this

>no i'm a terrible artist i can't do art for shit
>yeah i can kind of illustrate okay ish but if i were you i'd talk to anon2 he's better at it

[Anonymous No.1967958]

>>1967951
it's called fan art you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.1967960]

>>1967951
that's great and all, but which ones of his pictures aren't studies?

[Anonymous No.1967962]

>>1967947
>>1967951

he can't ignore it anymore, now he has to respond

>top kek

continue, argue with him and show his critique from 2011 more and more

[Anonymous No.1967963]

>>1967953
It's called a paintover. He used photoshop. He literally couldn't have made the animation any other way with his skillset. It's blindingly obvious. Maybe I should call your eyesight into question next?

[Anonymous No.1967964]

Damn it /ic/...

DOn't you see the futility of it all?

Let's all cave and start tracing shit and add grotesque amounts of photo filters and chromatic abberation to the mix.

Shekels. Shekels for all of /ic/.

Never starve again.

[Anonymous No.1967965]

>>1967943
>if he wasn't making money no one would give a fuck

Why is this some sort of counter-argument?

Of course people give a fuck that he makes money off of it, nobody gives a shit if some dude copies either to learn from it or just for their own pleasure.

Money is one measure of a person's worth, of their contribution to society. When someone makes lots of money not only doing something utterly unimpressive but also by stealing the hard labor of others people get understandably upset.

It just so happens that, depending on how the Paetron business model is interpreted as regards copyright infringement, this could be illegal as well.

[Anonymous No.1967966]

>>1967502
ew...that break in style throughout the entire thing is absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.1967967]

>>1967947
/v/ pls. Stop turning criticism of unethical behaviors into hatecampaigns against individuals.

>>1967951
See, if kron starts citing the shit he copies in the future, we have no right to be overly harsh.

[Anonymous No.1967969]

>>1967546
This character from the game he's working on looks like The Baron from The Cat Returns. Could just be a coincidence, but since an art thief is working on it I wouldn't be surprised if it's copied from a screenshot.

[Anonymous No.1967971]

New Thread:

>>1967970
>>1967970
>>1967970

[Anonymous No.1967972]

>>1967969
Now you're just being silly. Cats in suits aren't anywhere near original enough to be considered a 'unique' idea that someone could steal.

[Anonymous No.1967974]

>>1967951
tributes to express his love for money.
He got scared of loosing money on patreon and tries to look like the victim.

[Anonymous No.1967977]

>>1967964
She looks like she's made of fucking porcelain

[Anonymous No.1967978]

>>1967951
>>1967967

I don't buy it. So far almost everything he posts is "tribute" shit.

Make your own thing. You're acquiring all of these skills and the most challenging thing you do is copy it in a trending conceptart style. If he's as good as he says he should be more than capable of producing something really nice. EVEN if he uses the anime pictures as reference. But he's got to change something not fucking copy it.

[Anonymous No.1967979]

>>1967972
>tactfully evade calling them "cats in hats"

Well played, anon, well played.

[Anonymous No.1967980]

>>1967691
>www.livestream.com/kr0npr1nz/
yea, but he purposefully neglects to lable them studys everywhere else, like on his DA.

so he can get away with looking all tight there and if anyone brings him up on his bullshit he just says "ohh but i did say it was a study...oveeerrrr thereeee....."
its just pre-damage control

[Anonymous No.1967988]

>>1967977
The eyes, they need to also be disproportionately large.

[Anonymous No.1967989]

>>1967969
well, knowing he likes to copy and likes ghibli, I wouldnt be surprised he copied it.

[Anonymous No.1967990]

>>1967947
He have less money but more patreons, I dont think that counts as working

[Anonymous No.1967992]

>no mods
ITS TIME FOR LOLI

[Anonymous No.1967993]

>>1967947

i'm really happy about this. hope he starves. fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.1967995]

>>1967813
Hes gonna die very soon so I dont give a shit

[Anonymous No.1967996]

>>1967870
>>1967871
Just look at the quality of art on the draw thread. I don't blame em.

[Anonymous No.1967998]

>>1967990
Poor russians don't count as patrons.

[Anonymous No.1967999]

>>1967996
being mean to beginners is like stepping on babies with soccer cleats

[Anonymous No.1968001]

>>1967900
>grasping at straws
Nigger are you blind? He clearly put two pics together and traced that. How are you defending this?

[Anonymous No.1968005]

>>1967951
>he starts pulling the foreigner with bad english card
kekekek

[Anonymous No.1968006]

>>1967996
That's not necessarily representative of all /ic/.

They're the only one shameless and naive enough to post here of all places.

However, Draw thread is pure. It is to stay pure.

Leave this place and do not bring this up again.

[Anonymous No.1968008]

>>1967999
It's a joke fucker

[Anonymous No.1968013]

>>1967992
has vvindowsme actually posted anything other than this ever

haven't seen anything new ever it's just the same few .gifs

[Anonymous No.1968026]

>>1967916
>the sticky been dead for days
Huh, you're right. I've had my computer on for a few days and I had the sticky open in a tab so I stitched together a bunch of screenshots to recover it. You'll have to type the URLs yourself and google the other stuff like the youtubes but here you go.

Link because the resolution is too high:
http://i.imgur.com/Qlg604h.jpg

[Anonymous No.1968098]

>>1967951
HES STILL SELLING THIS SHIT ONLINE

[Anonymous No.1968209]

>>1967733
>But he labels it all as studies
nope. he doesn't label it all. because he know it makes his art look weaker.

[Anonymous No.1968219]

>>1967755
>being this new.
and he has his whiteknights defending him too.

[Anonymous No.1968225]

>>1967757
I was of the exact opinion as you are: that he is simply that good at copying/studying. then i saw his animation "study". that did it for me, he copied the entire animation sequence and guess what? made money from it and kept doing it.

[Anonymous No.1968277]

>>1967818
this. only people who refuse to believe are guilty of it as well.

[Anonymous No.1968680]

>>1968277
YES. i checked a few pages of some of he really dumb comments and their artwork is horrible and super copied

[Anonymous No.1970090]

>>1967964
and I was starting to feel bad for taking photos of a wooden manekin.

[Anonymous No.1970470]

>>1967691
The studies line up too fucking perfectly. Granted, it's supposed to be an interpretation of the same drawing, but there should be more personality or something. Actually, it's way too fucking polished to be a study, you're supposed to be gathering information quickly. His painting skills are exquisite, but there's something that's giving off the impression that these aren't studies but rather copying the linework and then painting over it. Here's a study that feels like a study and it's yet it's own separate entity.

[Anonymous No.1970964]

>>1967992
Anything but this .gif you fucking cunt. Took me three days to get over it.

[Anonymous No.1971366]

Why is do defending this guy? a lot of the comments there patting him in the back and how people still see him as a hero/role model is depressing

[Anonymous No.1971367]

Sorry I meant dA

[Anonymous No.1972051]

new pic. at least he's not tracing or copying in hardcore mode now(?)

[Anonymous No.1972079]

>>1972051
Eh. Before jumping on this I'd like to wait and see what he posts in the next couple of days. Maybe he'll gradually move away from references. Habits are hard to break in one go.

[Anonymous No.1972849]

>>1971366
A lot of people don't care about "artistic integrity" like /ic/. They don't give a fuck how his art was made. They just like pretty pictures.

dA is also full of kids who copy stuff and pass it off as original work, so they don't see anything wrong with it.