/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.1809783]

Has he gone full retard?

[Anonymous No.1809785]

thats pretty good for a painting with no reference at all

[Anonymous No.1809788]

What the fuck

[Anonymous No.1809791]

>techniques like 3D bases or photo textures & references

I remember some anon(*cough* tehmeh) saying he used 3d models but everyone was saying he was full of shit
there's nothing wrong with using 3d models for a job but it's pretty pathetic that he made those step tutorial things without actually putting in the 3d models

[Anonymous No.1809793]

>>1809785
algenfaggot pls go

[Anonymous No.1809798]

LEL

[Anonymous No.1809801]

yeah he got too comfy and now he's regressing

[Anonymous No.1809806]

miles also fucking up the most basic ever shit

[Anonymous No.1809808]

>>1809806
Le illuminati face

[Anonymous No.1809825]

where did it all go so wrong..
the linework wasn't that horrible actually. it's just the proportions

[Anonymous No.1809832]

shouldn't there be more blue hues on the armor ?

[Anonymous No.1809833]

>>1809825
No atmospheric perspective makes the relationship between the large and small odd.

[Anonymous No.1809839]

There was seriously some point where he forgot how to draw female torsos, on top of that the perspective doesn't work, he should have used at least some reference.

[Anonymous No.1809846]

that hilt/rock tangent

[Anonymous No.1809850]

Are the wings supposed to look like feathers glued to cardboard?

[Anonymous No.1809851]

He also draws weird female faces these days. The nose just keeps shrinking

[Anonymous No.1809861]

>>1809783
well i think giant angels are frickin awesome.

[Anonymous No.1809862]

>>1809783
There's something very wrong about this image. Quite weird looking as a whole.

[Anonymous No.1809871]

>>1809783

weak as fuk value massing and the foreground feathers are overdone and don't convey a proper sense of distance.

also why do all germans do this cold technical paint one element after the other approach... it makes the image feel non-unified and copypasted.

[Anonymous No.1809876]

>>1809783
>I'll strategically place this big fucking rock here, so I can create a tangent with the hand that will kill any sense of depth my painting might have had.
Yes.

[Anonymous No.1809878]

Let's get some good giant's in here

[Anonymous No.1809879]

>>1809783
I really hate how much he overworks perspective. It makes looking at his work so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.1809880]

>>1809851
>The nose just keeps shrinking

Don't worry your head over such silliness trivial matters.

[Anonymous No.1809882]

>>1809871
the german's passion for painting died when hitler was declined from art school
all of the contemporary german painters are actually robots created by hitler's children to reign down masses of lifeless and shitty illustrations

[Anonymous No.1809883]

>>1809878

don't think this one is good. if you don't think about lense and perspective while doing a giant painting... what are you even doing with your life.

look at fenghua zong and see how it should be done.

[Anonymous No.1809886]

>>1809825
Algen is trying to get into stylization after having done nothing but realism for years. Naturally, he completely fails at it because he is just like /ic/ and believed if he studies realism long enough, good stylization will just happen.

Baddies on /ic refuse to believe this is the case and act like he magically forgot how to draw the female figure. Which is stupid because those illustrations are already several months old if he is allowed to post them now and he has done plenty of paintings with his usual more realistic female figures since then.

[Anonymous No.1809887]

>>1809883

B-but I was just about to post him

[Anonymous No.1809889]

>>1809886
>done nothing but realism for years. Naturally, he completely fails at it because he is just like /ic/ and believed if he studies realism long enough, good stylization will just happen.

/ic/ blown the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1809891]

>>1809871
>also why do all germans do this cold technical paint one element after the other approach...

They don't, you fucking retard. You probably don't even know more than 3 german digital artists.

[Anonymous No.1809893]

>>1809889
kek, look at his work, that ain't realism, he needs guidance from a master, his work don't look professional at all.

[Anonymous No.1809894]

>>1809886
Sorry but no, go look back at his da page. You can see that he tried to stylize since the very beginning and never stopped.
The reason why they suck is that he doesn't understand anatomy. The only paintings in which the anatomy looks right were probably done right after having studied a very similar pose from some photo.
Most of hiss stuff has always had VERY wonky anatomy, and his most impressive works dealt with perspective and rendering.
He didn't forget anatomy. He never really learned it.

[Anonymous No.1809900]

>>1809887
It took me about 10 seconds to realize that that is a giant and not some abstract mush of color. Every little detail is rendered to fuck with highlights and saturated accents. It looks like a total clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.1809903]

>>1809900
Looks like someone's jelly

[Anonymous No.1809904]

>>1809893
>kek, look at his work, that ain't realism

That's the point you dumbass. Are you unable to read? He is trying his hands at stylization. He even says so himself if you look at the comment he made in his DA gallery. Sure he is no master of anatomy or anything, but he has never made mistakes that blatantly obvious. As much as you want to believe that this is him making incredibly dumb mistakes, it's actually him trying to stylize without understanding how stylization works.

Which is something many people on /ic/ who refuse to do anything but realism will go through as well. Learning that stylization is much more difficult than it looks and that you can not get good at it by doing nothing but realism studies.

[Anonymous No.1809905]

>>1809894
Whatever makes you feel better I guess. Yes, Algenpfleger woke up one day and suddenly decided to draw torsos and ribcages 5 times the size he has done for years. That makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.1809907]

>>1809904
go back to your cancer thread peon

[Anonymous No.1809910]

/ic/. Quit bitching about the menial crap from professionals and get back to your own work.
You're going to give yourselves a perfectionist complex.

[Anonymous No.1809912]

>>1809894
The image you posted is the perfect example of you being wrong. Look at it. The face is stylized, there are anatomical errors, like the legs being slightly too long and simplified etc, but there are no ridiculous proportional mistakes like in the OP painting. This is not a matter of him making mistakes, it's a matter of him deciding it's "stylization" if he just completely blows out the proportions of the figure.

[Anonymous No.1809914]

>>1809907
Well, someone's mad.

[Anonymous No.1809917]

>>1809912
>there are anatomical errors, like the legs being slightly too long and simplified etc,
Well, I didn't expect you to admit I were right immediately after saying I proved myself wrong, but whatever floats your boat man.

[Anonymous No.1809918]

>>1809903
I'm not. Even though I can see he knows a lot of technical skills the picture doesn't read well as a whole. I think he probably spent most of his time painting this at 500% zoom. It's far too busy.

[Anonymous No.1809923]

>>1809783
Wait, is she just a really tall angel standing near to the girl kneeling, or is she a giant bigger than the hills and mountains

[Anonymous No.1809950]

>>1809923
now when you mention this i think it's just a tall person standing close to the kneeling girl and not a giant bigger than the mountains like i first thought

[Anonymous No.1809952]

>>1809918
That picture reeks of pretentiousness

[Anonymous No.1809956]

>>1809952

zedig is incredibly arrogant. but you can forgive that because he is also incredibly good, and young as fuk.

[Anonymous No.1809957]

>>1809783
thought it was supposed to be a giant with the perspective way off but its the other way around? dungoofd

[Anonymous No.1809959]

>>1809956
>He thinks Gurren Fagann is the best mecha anime of all time

What a fucking pleb

[Anonymous No.1809969]

>>1809952
No, this >>1809887 picture reeks of pretentiousness.

[Anonymous No.1809982]

>>1809806
That's more of an overlook than a problem. As in it's not something Miles would usually do, while Algen is consistently having proportion issues.

[Anonymous No.1809987]

Does anyone find themselves seeing the giant angel as a normal sized angel in the foreground? I feel like atmospheric perspective isn't used very well or at all.

[Anonymous No.1809993]

>>1809987
it makes me feel pretty crosseyed that's for sure

[Anonymous No.1809995]

>>1809825
>dat one final pass with just random black everywhere

[Anonymous No.1809998]

>>1809851
fuck that's a funny pic

[Anonymous No.1810001]

>>1809825
The girl looks pretty fine, the angel is wonky as fuck.
You don't get good at stylization from slaving yourself to realism, that's like believing you'll be good at baseball because you're goot at soccer.

[Anonymous No.1810006]

He reminds me of Genzoman.
A niche artist that got popular, which gave him a lot of jobs and since he's a money starved thirld-worder he couldn't spare a penny and overworked making all his mistakes much more noticeable.

[Anonymous No.1810009]

>>1809851

these faces are all fine as fuk. some are a bit stylized here and there, or a bit hyperangled, but still perfectly good imo.

how can you compare algen to genzoman...

[Anonymous No.1810010]

>This thread.

[Anonymous No.1810014]

>>1809987
Not jus tatmospheric perspective, but regular 3 point perspective is fucked up

[Anonymous No.1810015]

>>1810009
>how can you compare algen to genzoman...
Both got shittier when they started getting more work. Neither has discipline or will to take a short time off to work on their weaknesses, both have an horde of faggots clamoring muh style/record-time gains.

[Anonymous No.1810016]

>>1810010
algenfaggot pls go

[Anonymous No.1810030]

>>1810010
>that fucken gif

[Anonymous No.1810031]

>>1810010
>discussing an artist's work on an art board means you're a 30 year old that wears a mask and lives with his mother

k

[Anonymous No.1810035]

>>1810031
That's exactly what it means faggot.

[Anonymous No.1810066]

what happens when you spend all your time rendering without mastering drawing

[Anonymous No.1810067]

>>1810035
wat

[Anonymous No.1810070]

>>1810066

rendering = stagnating. for realz dawg.

[Anonymous No.1810071]

>>1810066
Algen is one of the reasons why I stopped painting (outside of making spit paints for practice) just so I can practice drawing more.

Definitely not better than him or at his level, but fuck these mistakes are terrible and so obvious.

[Anonymous No.1810072]

>>1810066
Not as bad as this

[Anonymous No.1810073]

>>1810072
theres also the problem of shit taste

[Anonymous No.1810074]

>>1810072
I find that adorable. What's wrong with it exactly?

[Anonymous No.1810075]

>>1810074
Autism

[Anonymous No.1810078]

>>1810071
right now, algen can't paint either. right now, it's more like coloring.
honestly, if you want to paint, you should paint.

[Anonymous No.1810088]

>>1810078
I used to be impressed with him until I realised janaschi was like doing his work for him

[Anonymous No.1810094]

Approaching Rob Liefield levels

[Anonymous No.1810096]

>>1810074

it's not as terrible as people here will want you believe (technically, i'm leaving subject matter completely out here lol). it's just the rendering-to-shit kind of digital art that will not get you art-cred, nor will it look amazing, ever. a ruanjia, mullins, jj can paint that exact scene with 4 times the mood, 3 different light sources, 10 times the showing of form and in half the time it took that guy. because they don't render, they just make perfect fucking decisions in their values, edges, saturation hue etc etc. all the important shit.

[Anonymous No.1810114]

>>1809825
>>1809825
>>1809825
>>1809825

wow, this is a pretty good step by step thingy, do you have more or similar things ? as detailed as this ?

[Anonymous No.1810124]

>muh idealism
Kids never change

[Anonymous No.1810140]

>>1809950
standing i think the girl would make it up to about the angels knees

[Anonymous No.1810154]

I can't help but get the feeling everyone in this thread is a jealous bitch. From what i've seen on /ic/ algen is pretty much better than all y'all who hang here.

And he's better because he doesn't hang around here shitting on other artists.

[Anonymous No.1810157]

>>1810154
not really, they are comparing him to guys like ruan jia and miles, not to themselves. he is better than us, but we don't want to end up like him.

[Anonymous No.1810172]

>>1810114
his DA has a few AFAIK

[Anonymous No.1810177]

>>1810157
wait, why don't we like Ruan Jia?

[Anonymous No.1810178]

>>1810177

we do anon. ruanjia is an absolute monster.

[Anonymous No.1810179]

>>1810014
So much better

[Anonymous No.1810182]

>>1810178
Oh. I was gonna say, I think his stuff is pretty awesome. ha.

[Anonymous No.1810200]

>>1810072
it's pretty fucking adorable. if you don't think so, the child inside you is dead.

[Anonymous No.1810204]

>>1810200
It's kitschy animu furries, go stare at a Lisa Frank folder

[Anonymous No.1810208]

>>1810204
>because the only worthwhile subject matter is dragons and spacemarines

top kek

[Anonymous No.1810209]

>>1810172
oh ty, but who is this guy though...?

[Anonymous No.1810216]

>>1810209
algenpfleger

[Anonymous No.1810218]

>>1810208
Shove your strawman up your ass, cliche shit like this:
>>1809904
isn't much better than your carebear furries. It shows a lot more technical skill, but it's just as boring. So assume whatever you need to assume about my tastes in order to deflect criticism from your boring and saccharine taste in furry toddlers.

[Anonymous No.1810221]

>>1810218
>implying I even care about those carebears

just calling you out from having superiority complex and judging by your reaction, top kek is all I can say again.

top kek

[Anonymous No.1810224]

>>1810221
No, what you were actually doing was making wildly in accurate assumptions about my taste in art, because you disagree with my opinion about that terrible furry x-mas image.

Inb4
>I trol ju kek

[Anonymous No.1810256]

I honestly dont get it. Are these guys seriously so absorbed by rendering that they cant see anymore that the picture in general sucks? Whats the cause of this, not doing proper thumbnails or just shit taste supported by facebook drones who care only about rendering?

[Anonymous No.1810263]

>>1810256

might just be what the client wants tbh.

[Anonymous No.1810266]

>>1809956
>zedig is incredibly arrogant. but you can forgive that because he is also incredibly good,

he's really not. I know everyone is going to call me a jelly hater for saying so, since he's one of /ic/'s heroes, but he just draws the same couple things over and over in a particular way. He doesn't display any versatility and he covers all the difficult parts of the painting in stylization and texture brushes.

[Anonymous No.1810270]

>>1809783
I'm a total newfag to /ic/, can someone explain this thread and the relation to OP's picture? Is the subject matter stupid or something?

[Anonymous No.1810274]

>>1810270
the guy (algenpfleger) who did the picture have rendering skillz far superior to his anatomy/perspective skillls and people went bonkers over that because he was their idol

[Anonymous No.1810276]

>>1810266

but that's just not true at all. he is incredibly original, has a fresh uniqe individual look to his work and a very strong command of fundamentals. he definitely doesn't hide anything with stylization and brushes... post some examples to make your point because i known all of the dudes work and i just don't see your case. zedig is the epitomy of stylization done right.

creativity wise, maybe i'm just so impressed by him because i am the least creative person in the universe but the technical aspects of his work i can definitely defend him on.

[Anonymous No.1810277]

>>1810274
More like /ic/'s typical shitposting behind a successful artist's back and the infernal gossip. Cunts.

[Anonymous No.1810370]

>>1810014
This post definitely hits all the perspective problems right on the head.

[Anonymous No.1810374]

>>1810277
to be fair he's a bit of a shithead irl.

...and once he came here and didn't take our advice.

[Anonymous No.1810378]

>>1810374
>...and once he came here and didn't take our advice.
I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.1810380]

>ruze apparition

Are we being rused?

[Anonymous No.1810381]

>>1810370
except she's holding the point of her sword way back in the OP, walking i guess. and when the guy 'fixed' the perspective he brought it forward heaps. she's also leaning forward a bit, and the guy straightened her pose, which is always the sign of a super lame redline.

>metameta
now that's /ic/

[Anonymous No.1810393]

>>1810276

Jesus, I'm impressed that you can talk at all around his cock. More dignity, less superlatives.

You're clearly a very noob artist, and it's normal to idolize your art heroes. Trust me, when you develop a little bit and gain a wider perspective on art, you'll be less impressed with some 22yo on Deviantart.

[Anonymous No.1810470]

>>1810393

lol. the typical "what you say clearly proves that you are a very noob artist" blablabla bullshit.

would take any bet that my art is lightyears ahead of yours. but let me drop my standards to match your style of argumentation:

jesus i'm impressed you can even form coherent sentences consider the dumbass low iq retard reply you are giving here, making completely wild assumptions without any basis whatsoever. you are clearly a very noob artist because you are dumb as fuck. trust me in 15-20 years, when you have moved from total shit to mediocre, you will see that zedig is without a doubt going to be something like the next moebius.

[Anonymous No.1810475]

>>1809783

Well, I've been saying for years that Genzoman should really...

Wait... We're Friday, and Friday is Algen's day.

Yeah, like I've been saying for years instead of working on my own art, Algen is really getting worse.

See you tomorrow to shit on someone else.

[Anonymous No.1810477]

>>1810475
and yet here you are complaining about complainers instead of working on your own stuff. ..remember any excuse you have is an excuse for the people you're attacking too.

double hipster trash

[Anonymous No.1810495]

>>1810470
>would take any bet that my art is lightyears ahead of yours.

A challenge is issued! I'll accept!

Post your work first. No one here has ever followed through on one of these art duels after I posted mine.

[Anonymous No.1810496]

>>1810495

sure buddy. go.

[Anonymous No.1810497]

>>1810495
>Post your work first. No one here has ever followed through on one of these art duels after I posted mine.

Then wouldn't it be logical to post yours first? Because you'll just win in the e-peen duel with the other anon, again?

[Anonymous No.1810498]

>>1810497
Nvm, the d/ic/k measuring contest is a go.

[Anonymous No.1810499]

>>1810496
you can't keep calling in a wip if you ain't been working on it for like a year.

[Anonymous No.1810500]

>>1810496

Not bad!

Here's me:

http://jcpahl.tumblr.com/

[Anonymous No.1810501]

this thread is stupid
>>1810496
i like it; do you post anywhere?

[Anonymous No.1810503]

>>1810500

here's a piece that's not quite as old as the stuff on my tumblr

you're good enough that I'll make the effort to post some newer stuff.

[Anonymous No.1810505]

>>1810094
my thoughts exactly, though liefield is almost unreachable.

[Anonymous No.1810508]

>>1810503
cross-eyed

[Anonymous No.1810511]

>>1810374
Algenfliggers artwork aside, if I was in his position I wouldn't take advice from anybody on /ic/ either.

Imagine being a pro artist, and you come to this place where everybody is deviantart tier, and all these shitty artists are talking mad shit under the guise of giving advice.

[Anonymous No.1810513]

>>1810477
>you should be working 24/7
>you can't complain about complainers
>le_tu_quoque.png

[Anonymous No.1810514]

>>1810500
>>1810503

while you aren't terrible it's safe to say that i am MUCH better than you. so i win the art callout.

easy. umad?

[Anonymous No.1810529]

>>1810503
>armpit reaches collarbone
>crosseyed as fuck
>broken hand with no cast shadow
It's derpy dude, please cease these dick-wagging contests that you engage in, you aren't "light years" better than the other guy, you two are roughly equal in skill. Keep acting this cocky and you can be our new illastrat.

[Anonymous No.1810531]

>>1810514
Same goes for you, your figures are just as stiff and your subjects are more fantasy cliches.

Bring the egos down a notch.

[Anonymous No.1810538]

>>1810529

>>1810529

Plz note that I'm not the guy who said he was light years ahead. I'm the other guy.

I won't say my work isn't derpy, because it's all badly drawn d&d fantasy crap tbh... but I'll still throw down with anyone who wants to art duel. It's only fair when you like to talk shit as much as I do.

[Anonymous No.1810540]

>>1810503
i know this is a jerky thread where people are being jerks. but i promise you i'm not. you've got to redraw that face dude. the problems go beyond just the cross eyes. the body has it's problems too but they'll get past your non-artist/autist audience. but that face won't. just the truth, sorry if it's hurtful.

[Anonymous No.1810541]

>>1810531

You want to judge the art duel from on high, you better post some work. It's easy to deal out imperious critiques from behind the veil of anonymity.

Also, you're responding to bait.

[Anonymous No.1810544]

>>1810496
Is this you or did someone just mask themselves as you since you posted this once to proove an argument?

"Art duels" don't really proove anything if you can't convince someone with your words on their own right why would you be able to convince them just because you posted something you did?

[Anonymous No.1810547]

>>1810538
Oh, well then the other guy is super cocky and needs to bring it down. You just need to ignore insecure artists who call you out.
>>1810541
I'm not going to engage in a dick-measuring contest just to feed my ego, if you don't think your characters are stiff and the designs are cliche, keep drawing them the way you are now.

[Anonymous No.1810548]

>>1810547
>I'm not going to engage in a dick-measuring contest just to feed my ego

you meant you just suck, top kek.

[Anonymous No.1810550]

>>1810540

> just the truth, sorry if it's hurtful.

it's not. I'm sure the face is wonky, because everything I draw is wonky. But I can't see it. I don't even see the cross-eyed part, no matter how I flip it.

I'm cool with it being wonky. But if you want to redline it, I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

[Anonymous No.1810554]

>>1810547
>I'm not going to engage in a dick-measuring contest just to feed my ego, if you don't think your characters are stiff and the designs are cliche, keep drawing them the way you are now.

Tsk. Would posting your art feed your ego? Are you that good? Or are you afraid of getting the same harsh critiques that you're dishing out?

[Anonymous No.1810557]

>post yore work
kill youreself

[Anonymous No.1810561]

>>1810554
If you're afraid of a critique, go to dA. Sorry I didn't praise your 10/10 fantasy characters standing placidly and staring at the viewer. I post my work when I'm looking for critique, not to feed my ego during an argument. You post your work to feed your ego during an argument, and cry when you get critique.

[Anonymous No.1810563]

>>1810557

Fuuuuck you. /ic/ has one of these "Algenpfleger sucks" threads every week, but none of you losers have the balls to post your own shit to take the same dressing down you'll deal up.

Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous No.1810565]

That OP pic is excellent, what are you fags on about

[Anonymous No.1810569]

>>1810565
>what are you fags on about

on how retarded your perception is, top kek.

[Anonymous No.1810570]

>>1810563

i remember a time when i too didn't know that it's algen himself posting these threads every single time.

[Anonymous No.1810572]

>>1810561

Lol, dude. You're really reaching. I haven't defended my wonky fantasy characters or disagreed with any critique you've made. I only said that, if you want to judge from on high and take it upon yourself to be the arbiter of how much egoism is warranted among one or the other, you should be ready to face the same judgement you're so eager to deal out.

I know you're not gonna post your work, now. After all your big talk, it's *your* ego that is at stake, because, if your work is flawed like mine is, you're gonna have to face people telling you so. And your ego can't take that.

I have very little ego about my work. It's bad fantasy crap from a mediocre draftsman at best... but I don't judge other people as artists and then refuse to show my art when they call me on my shit talking (it was my shit-talking that prompted gritty-soldier guy to call me out in the first place). Because that would be sackless behavior.

You're most likely a really bad artist who would be humilated to show your stuff now. Or maybe you're Mullins-level. Either way, don't come into a shit talking thread and start lambasting people unless you're ready to put your money where your mouth is.

[Anonymous No.1810576]

>>1810572
>Or maybe you're Mullins-level

[Anonymous No.1810578]

>>1810572
>>1810557

[Feng Zhu No.1810581]

If you can't walk the walk don't talk the talk.

[Anonymous No.1810582]

>>1810572
>"but I don't judge other people as artists"
>"Jesus, I'm impressed that you can talk at all around his cock. You're clearly a very noob artist. when you develop a little bit and gain a wider perspective on art, you'll be less impressed with some 22yo on Deviantart"

you are clearly an idiot.

[Anonymous No.1810583]

>>1810582
says the guy without any art

[Feng Zhu No.1810587]

Those who can't bake the cake shouldn't taste the bait.

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.1810588]

>>1810583

irrelevant. you are still an idiot. look at the fucking idiotic way with which you contradict yourself. you are too used to talking shit behind anonimity. like many many people on here. as soon as you post art you put on the mask of nice and honest and humble, but every post you made prior to that is full of disgusting condescending arrogant and judgemental behavior.

fucking pisses me off. but i guess low iq people gonna low iq.

[Anonymous No.1810590]

>>1810582

why did you cut the sentence in half?

>but I don't judge other people as artists and then refuse to show my art when they call me on my shit talking

I fucking love talking shit on 4chan. But, if someone calls me out on it and says "My work is better than yours, let's throw down"... I post my shit. Even if they blow me the fuck out.

But some jackasses would prefer to talk shit and then hide behind sophistry about how they're too virtuous and humble to step into the arena. Pretty weak.

[Anonymous No.1810592]

>>1810590
post yore work

[Anonymous No.1810593]

>>1810590
cause I'm not that guy, just calling you out on running scared from your art duel with him.

[Anonymous No.1810595]

>>1810590

i was pointing out the fact that you wrote this

"Jesus, I'm impressed that you can talk at all around his cock. You're clearly a very noob artist. when you develop a little bit and gain a wider perspective on art, you'll be less impressed with some 22yo on Deviantart"

and then claimed this

"but I don't judge other people as artists"

and based on that hilarious contradiction i called you an idiot. which you are, imo. i wasn't considering your art, or the fact that you posted it. that doesn't matter. my calling you an idiot is based exclusively on those two, idiotically contradictive, statements.

[Anonymous No.1810604]

>faggots complaining about some artwork when they obviously will never make even something half as good
stay bitter

[Anonymous No.1810607]

>>1810595

You need to enroll in some literacy courses. I never said I don't judge other people as artists. I said that, when I do, and they call me out, I'm ready to post my work so they can do it right back.

[Anonymous No.1810613]

>>1810607

gonna stop arguing with you now. anyway if you want one piece of advice (i'm not scifi soldier guy) stop rendering. entirely.

[Anonymous No.1810614]

>>1810613
stupid advice, but that's to be expected from someone who doesn't post his art.

[Anonymous No.1810615]

>146 posts about blah-blah-blah
I'm professional artist. I better than you huehue

[Anonymous No.1810616]

>>1810615

[Anonymous No.1810617]

wtf
is ""art duels"""" like this common here?
i laugh

[Anonymous No.1810618]

>shitting on algen
>shitting on some shitty artist that draws cute shit
>zedig banter
>people actually posting their shit when shitting on each other

7/10 one of the better algen hate threads

[Anonymous No.1810620]

>>1810617

it's not common, because only 1% of this board has the requisite balls to post their art in this shark tank.

[Anonymous No.1810622]

[Anonymous No.1810635]

>>1810572
My work is flawed, I do t pretend otherwise. What does that have to do with the validity of my critique. Your buttrage is through the roof dude, it's not the end of the world just because you got some criticism. Do you act this way every time your work is critiqued?

[Anonymous No.1810637]

>>1810614

it's pretty obvious who it is. lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.1810638]

>>1810590
I'm not the one saying I'm "light years better" than other people, I just said this entire charade is ego masturbation.

[Anonymous No.1810656]

>>1810635
>>1810638

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and judge. It's more difficult to put your own work up for judgement.

That's what this entire thread is about: picking apart Algenpfleger's work, even though he's significantly better than probably anyone in here. You can point out all the parts of his paintings that are flawed, and your critiques may be valid... but if you're hiding your own work because you're afraid of having it judged the way you judge his, you're just a loser.

>. Your buttrage is through the roof dude, it's not the end of the world just because you got some criticism.

Note that I'm the only one between us who's actually put his work up to be criticized. You haven't, and you're not going to. Whose ego is so fragile, exactly?

[Anonymous No.1810658]

>>1810638
*chants* post work post work post work *chants*

[Anonymous No.1810684]

>>1810658
>*action*
It's almost like I'm on deviantart or gaiaonline.

[Anonymous No.1810688]

>>1810684
>still not posting work

top kek

[Anonymous No.1810716]

>>1809783
What makes me sad is how this guy gets worse everyday and yet I never get better.

[Anonymous No.1810737]

>>1809783
Anatomy and proportion curiosities aside, this guy is great with hue and value.

[Anonymous No.1810738]

Why in the mind of beginners you have to post your art to be allowed to point out why other art sucks? Its not related, talk about the subject matter, not ad personam targeting the critics.

[Anonymous No.1810742]

>>1810738
Let me answer that question with another:
Why are you pointing out why other art sucks when you could be improving your own art?

[Anonymous No.1810751]

>>1810742
Let me answer that question with another:
Why are you pointing out why other people should draw more when you are wasting just as much time as they are responding to them?

[Anonymous No.1810753]

>>1810751
Because I have some free time during my lunch break.

Still though, what's the point of this thread?

[Anonymous No.1810755]

>>1810753
Because people like talking shit about decent artists to make themselves feel better.

Also it's fun to critique all artists regardless of skill level.

[Anonymous No.1810758]

>>1810755
>Also it's fun to critique all artists regardless of skill level.
Okay, then. Let's discuss it.

The guy has some weird anatomy going on, that much is clear, but does it actually harm the piece, and more importantly, why?

[Anonymous No.1810761]

>>1810758
It harms the piece because it looks fucking stupid, lol

[Anonymous No.1810762]

>>1810761
Elaborate.
If you want to critique, then critique.

[Anonymous No.1810763]

>>1810758
It makes it looks sorta borderline uncanny vally.

It's not exaggerated in a very appealing way and makes it look weird. I doubt that was what he was going for, but if he was then nevermind.

[Anonymous No.1810768]

>>1810499
>>1810500
>>1810501
>>1810514
>>1810531
>>1810541
>>1810544
>>1810547
>>1810561
>>1810572


Just as a note, I am the artist who painted >>1810496, and I'm not the one who posted it in this thread and is being a dick (this is my first post in this thread). Some other anon saved that painting I did, renamed the file, and is pretending to be me because I posted it a few weeks back when someone called me out on my art so I used it to back me up. Also it's not a WIP, that is the final image. And yes, I am aware that my figures are stiff and my design isn't the best, but at least I am working on my art and my weaknesses and do not hold any false views about my level.

And seriously, whoever posted my stuff and is pretending to be me while posting bait and pissing off a lot of the board...not cool man. It's people like you that make people not want to show their artwork on here.

[Anonymous No.1810771]

>>1810763
I don't think there's any really damaging technical issues with the piece, but there are some very interesting design choices that might work for or against it depending on your own perspective.

I think he was intentionally tying to make the angel come off as otherworldly.
Her limbs are overly log and thin. Something that pushes the concept of beauty beyond typically reasonable territory, yet he still makes the face bold. Her strong chin and prominent cheek bones are there to convey a certain level strength. The wind at her back, the wings arching around and over the child, the feathers in the foreground. It's all there to make her look like a guardian from another plane, and I think he does a decent job of conveying that.

[Anonymous No.1810773]

>>1810771
*long and thin
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.1810774]

>>1810771
in other words, it's shit.

[Anonymous No.1810775]

>>1810774
You didn't read it at all did you?

[Anonymous No.1810777]

>>1810775
I did, all those so called intentional stuff he did, in the end it still looks like shit and nothing would change that fact.

[Anonymous No.1810778]

>>1810768
>It's people like you that make people not want to show their artwork on here.

hahahaha you are the exact kind of guy that acts like the ultimate douchenozzle, talking shit to any and everyone, suffering from the most absurd level of dunning kruegers, then once you post your work, you act all nice and friendly and pretend like you werent being a gigantic asshole earlier.

YOU are the reason why people dont like posting their work on here. not me, you gigantic fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.1810781]

>>1810777
>in the end it still looks like shit and nothing would change that fact.
But you're not really explaining why. Just saing 'It's bad because it's bad'.

That's terrible critique.

[Anonymous No.1810782]

>>1810778
Lol okay there. You manage to piss off people in every thread, you ignore people or argue with people who critique your work, and are just generally an asshole. But I'm the bad guy.

I also find it funny how you shit talk my work like crazy, then in other threads you have praised my sketches and stuff without realizing it was done by me.

[Anonymous No.1810783]

>>1810763
>uncanny vally
FUCKIN STOP
STOP

[Anonymous No.1810787]

>>1810781
would you like your figures to look like that angel? there are many ways to express otherworldly having an uneven arm length is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.1810788]

>>1810783
>uncanny vally is not a real critique guise!
How about you stop.

[Anonymous No.1810790]

>>1810782

what the fuck are you even talking about. just act like a civlized human being. you are the only one here who looks at an image, and holds back comment until he realizes who made it. then you lash out and start shitting on the person. you claimed you could tell exactly how good someone was from a 30 minute study.

that is so fucking idiotic and arrogant. only you are like that. i dont care who made what, i critique and give feedback to every image without taking into consideration who made it. its only you who is that much of a self obsessed finger-pointing fag.

HURRDURR I CAN TELL EXACTLY HOW GUD YOU ARE FROM THIS SHITTY SKETCH YOU MADE
HURRDURR IM ALOT BETTER THAN YOU
HURRDURR ME ME ME ME

get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.1810799]

>>1810782

If you fail to see how you were the first one being rude and dickish in the original thread your image was posted in, you really have some perception (and self-perception) issues anon. Not even trying to diss you here.

[Anonymous No.1810807]

>>1810787
Thank you. I'm just trying to coax out a proper critique. I'm not a mind reader, I don't know what you mena when you say "It's shit" unless you tell me.

On that, yes. Her arms are out of proportion, but I don't think it's enough to harm the gestalt of the picture itself.
Judging from the sketch, it looked like he was going for some foreshortening on the right forearm, but lost it in the shading in an attempt to achieve a smooth look. It's not good, but I don't consider it to be so bad as to hurt the piece as a whole.

[Anonymous No.1811097]

>>1810768
>http://jcpahl.tumblr.com/

dude all you ahve to do is resize your artwork and make it small as fuck, its not oc unless retarded pixels are in play like 4000x2000 would be OC jpeg and you should only keep that saved and to display on your site/after copyright.

[Anonymous No.1811115]

>>1810790
>just act like a civlized human being.
Try removing the log from your own eye before taking the speck from another's.

[Anonymous No.1811120]

>>1810742
>Why are you pointing out why other art sucks when you could be improving your own art?

So I can learn from mistakes made by others by analyzing them so I dont make them myself. I am improving my art by figuring out what other people did wrong.

[Anonymous No.1811138]

Well it wouldn't be a bad thing if there was a unique "pro make mistakes too" general thread, instead of the Dobson/Genzoman/Crab Mullins/Appgflgelgger threads.

Much like there's one Draw thread, one for Stylization and one for Beginners.

[Anonymous No.1811160]

>>1810656
When I need critique, I do post my own work for judgement. I actively engaging in real life painting critiques. Why should I post my work in this thread? It isn't to get critique, this thread is just about shit-talking, which you've already admitted is an activity you enjoy. Also, if you could please, point out where I judged appleflinger's work. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1811163]

>>1809783
Why do you fucks hate this guy so much? there are Tom Prestons out there and you pick on the guy who's actually better than you?

[Anonymous No.1811169]

>>1811138
hi there :^)

[Anonymous No.1811172]

>>1811163
That's the reason obviously. No shit Preston makes awful art, but when someone /ic/ respects fucks up, it's a little more baffling, because expectations are higher.

[Anonymous No.1811175]

>>1810768
>Just as a note, I am the artist who painted >>1810496, and I'm not the one who posted it in this thread

Hahahaha, wow. I'm the guy who posted my stuff to art-duel the person who stole your work. I guess we're the only people in this thread who actually post our own work when we get called out.

Nice art by the way. I guess it must be if someone stole it to pretend that they're "light-years ahead". Do you have a tumblr or something?


p.s. whichever spineless thief stole that picture and pretended it was his to win our argument, you only proved that my shit talking about you was in fact correct, and also that you haven't any stones.

[Anonymous No.1811177]

>>1811097

Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that my .jpegs are too big and easy to steal? Because I'm not worried about that. Thanks though.

[Anonymous No.1811949]

>>1811138
>Crab Mullins

[Anonymous No.1811989]

>>1809783
It looks like she has only one leg...

[Anonymous No.1811996]

>>1811989
It's his style.

[Anonymous No.1811998]

>>1811989
Cannot unsee, holy fuck.

[Anonymous No.1812023]

>>1810014
Compared to your edit the original looks like some kind of impossible optical illusion.

[Anonymous No.1812034]

>>1810014
Is it just me, or is the wind moving the angel's hair and wings not matching up with the movement of hair and fabric on the girl in the foreground?

To be honest, I'm not about to blame Algen, Miles, etc for any bizarre flaws in their Applibot pieces. I know some people who've worked for Applibot and they've all reported being given style guides to work from, had bizarre revisions forced upon them, etc. I would rather judge them on their personal work.

[Anonymous No.1812037]

>>1812034
the wind is from the angel's wings flappin'

[Anonymous No.1812043]

>>1809783
Lmaooo /ic/ just keep bitching about the successful artists. Really it's pathetic because 99% of you will get nowhere near Algen or even Genzoman. While you guys circlejerk they're making money and getting laid doing what they love.

[Anonymous No.1812046]

>>1812043
>99% of you will never get near Algen or Genzoman

Lel, I see a ton of stuff posted here that's better than the OP piece or anything Genzoman's shat out. Wouldn't surprise me if in 2-3 years time there's a number of professionals whose dicks you'll no doubt be sucking that came from here.

[Anonymous No.1812409]

>>1812046
It hasn't happened in all the years we've been here.
I bet it won't ever happen, there's no market for eyeballed Loomis scribbles.

[Anonymous No.1812443]

>>1812409
>Tehmeh
>Algen
>Morbacher
>Diboine
>Izzy

Yeah, sure it hasn't.

[Anonymous No.1812446]

>>1812443

zedig didn't post on /ic/. morbacher only posted ocassionally but it's not like he studied and got good here. algen no idea, was before my time, and who the f is izzy?

[Anonymous No.1812617]

>>1812446
Algen posts, usually an image in the draw thread or a study thread and then disappears (or posts anonymously). He likes to appear aloof.

also ' :3 '

[Anonymous No.1812740]

>>1809825
Hold on. All you need to do to fix the perspective on that image is put the foot of harpy lady in front of the grassy hill and her sword guard in front of the rock.

[Anonymous No.1812778]

>>1809839
Where's the yellow reflected light on the girl coming from in that picture?

[Anonymous No.1812793]

>>1812778

The grass. The ground almost always reflects a warm light.

[Craig Mullins No.1812798]

>>1810581
Here here, my negro companion!

[Anonymous No.1812805]

>>1812793
Then wouldn't it be more green instead of yellow like the car? I'm not all that great at painting/colors so I'm a bit confused.

[Anonymous No.1812815]

>>1810581
you don't need to know how to walk, you can just steal someone else's legs to walk (talking about photobash and tracing)

[Anonymous No.1812844]

>>1812446
morbacher has been coming here for ages, he used to go as OneVox, you used to be able to see his progress, and people bundled him up with the top /ic/ people since ever.

[Anonymous No.1812948]

>>1809851
well no one likes big sized noses on a women
those are probably 10/10 noses in real life

[Anonymous No.1812952]

>>1812948
i do, i like a variety, big noses included. uma thurman comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.1814690]

>>1810503
I like your metal rendering, but the volumes are completely off.
And the pistol is bent.

[Anonymous No.1814766]

>>1810503

lol so funny pls post more you are kiling the room here

people are dying

[Anonymous No.1814824]

>>1814766

if you enjoy laughing at my terribleness, you can always look at my tumblr. I posted the link up there somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1814849]

>>1810067
He means people here are trying to tear apart work of an artist who's more successful in art than they'll ever be while they're NEET 30 year old faggots living with their mothers.

[Anonymous No.1814914]

If this is so bad, why don't any of you do it better?
I fucking dare you
paint over it or whatever
I bet none of you can do it

[Anonymous No.1814915]

>>1814914
someone has already you cock

[Anonymous No.1814917]

>>1814914
Someone already posted a gif showing a fixed version in this thread and it looks way better.

[Anonymous No.1814928]

>>1814915
>>1814917

re-arranging the composition is not the same thing as painting something better, you NEET parasites. neither of you can draw or paint 1/10th as well as Algenfejjkllfeklafger, so maybe work harder on moving out of your mom's place and stop talking shit about better artists.

[Anonymous No.1814936]

>>1814915
>>1814917
although I do agree that the torso and head look better he fucked the composition and the leg is even worse

[Anonymous No.1814940]

>>1814936
the thread is about those things though you cunt

[Anonymous No.1814947]

>>1814936
I think he greatly improved the composition... It's not perfect, but it's just a quick fix...

[Algenpfleger No.1815925]

Leave me alone!

Why do you hate me so much?

Remind me tehmeh...

[Anonymous No.1815945]

>>1815925
because i will never nestle between your sculpted thighs while you choke me out :(

[Anonymous No.1815947]

>>1809791
I was looking at some of the concept processes from that dude that did all the concept art for elysium, and he did a bunch of cutting/pasting different images together and painting over them. Is that bad to do?

[Anonymous No.1815964]

>>1815947
It's concept art. The goal of concept art is to get a concept/design down quickly and effectively for use further in the pipeline, not to create a detailed illustration.
So no, it is not bad.
Done in illustration it shouldn't be bad either, provided it's done well and doesn't plagiarize. There is no such thing as 'cheating' in art.

[Anonymous No.1815969]

>>1815947
do you really want to take advice from hacks like >>1815964?
a con artist will never admit that what he's doing is wrong. he will find any means to justify his action, but in the end he's only fooling himself and his victims. the law says you cannot steal another person's work, no matter how much you paint over it.
if you have even a tiny bit of self respect, you won't even trace.

[Anonymous No.1815976]

>>1815969
that's not what the law says. you didn't see people suing pop artists did you?

[Anonymous No.1815993]

>236 posts
>34 images
blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

[Anonymous No.1815997]

>>1815947
That's why you take your own photos. Everything copyrighted by you

[Anonymous No.1816012]

>>1815993
this isn't a draw thread. what kind of retarded point are you trying to make?