Beginner General #2 - I've done nothing but loomis for the last 3 days

[Anonymous No.1756653]

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.

Also feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

You are a beginner if it still says so in the sticky, so Absolute Beginner and Beginner.

Practice Practice Practice!

[Anonymous No.1756656]

>>1756653
Last thread
>>1756653

[Anonymous No.1756658]

>>1756653
Last thread
>>1744239

[Anonymous No.1756685]

how can you be that bad at reproducing the picasso sketch?

[Anonymous No.1756687]

>>1756685
Maybe he didn't do it upside down.

[Anonymous No.1756692]

>>1756685
>>1756687
It's from the Drawing with the right side of the brain book, and yes it was a student who forgot to flip it the first time

[Anonymous No.1756703]

Been studyin' legs, or rather, muscle diagrams thereof.

[Anonymous No.1756708]

Hey /Ic/ I just started the sticky and I'm on loomis and these are the results I'm getting, I don't think im doing it the correct way, can anyone shine some light of advice on me?

[Anonymous No.1756712]

>>1756708
Honestly I think one of the things Loomis did wrong was try and get people to draw cartoons right from the start. Just do them for the pencil mileage. The book later goes into actual constructive drawing and it'll get easier.

[Anonymous No.1756713]

>>1756712
So where do you think I should start at in the book?

[Anonymous No.1756715]

>>1756713
Do the entire thing, brah. Do the cartoons even if they look shitty. I've not seen anyone do Loomis potato faces that looked good yet, they don't even look good in the book IMO, but it'll get your hand more used to drawing.

[Anonymous No.1756746]

Did this the other day based on a photo.
Im starting to use the computer and actual colors.

[Anonymous No.1756749]

I started this today but have no idea of what to do on the background.
I have no idea about painting on the computer.
I have no idea about color in general.
I should apply more.

[Anonymous No.1756750]

Now you know exactly what to attack when some dipshit on here goes "hurr fundamentals"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4

[Anonymous No.1756759]

taking measuraments from life: A or B?

[Anonymous No.1756760]

>>1756759
Just be consistent. I'd say b. Have you tried making a plumbline (string + weight at the end) It's much more consistent for measuring relative angles.

[Anonymous No.1756767]

>>1756760
ehy that's not a bad idea

[Anonymous No.1756768]

>>1756759
I don't use this method, but if you want it, it's B. You want the pencil to make a perpendicular with your line of vision, so when you draw the life object on paper you can measure the angle objects make with a straight vertical line.

There is a video of this on ctrlPaint tho

[Anonymous No.1756773]

>>1756759
Doing this is very good for relative measurements too

[You're Mom No.1756782]

Keep workin'

http://grooveshark.com/s/Escape+From+The+City/rwgf4?src=5

[Anonymous No.1756796]

>>1756653
>Beginner general

But we already have an entire board full of that.

[You're Mom No.1756808]

http://grooveshark.com/s/Come+On+Ride+The+Train/3l3bZ4?src=5

[Anonymous No.1756956]

Currently trying to how to get into perspective drawing. This is more or less my shoddy attempt to create a human figure from high angle. Feels like I'm constantly skipping over something simple yet integral or over complicating things. Would appreciate some input and advice, I'll listen.

[You're Mom No.1756960]

Fug

[Anonymous No.1756966]

>>1756759

You usually want your pencil/measuring device to be perpendicular to the model and have your elbow locked, so B if you're drawing the lamp. But like >>1756760 said as long as you're consistent that's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.1756969]

>>1756808
>>1756782

If these are from imagination then you're doing alright. If not, be sure to work from imagination as well to see if you really understand it.

[You're Mom No.1756985]

>>1756969
They're directly from Loomis' book actually, I'm definitely trying to construct rather than just ape the contours, though. I'll take your advice and try a few of my own after I finish copying this page.

[Anonymous No.1756987]

Here are some Loomis faces I made from imagination. How bad are they?

[Anonymous No.1756992]

>>1756987
Mine were worse, so don't worry.

[Anonymous No.1756995]

>>1756987
typical Loomis faces.

when do people learn that Loomis is really bad for beginners? even FWAP

[Anonymous No.1756997]

>>1756995
What do you suggest then?

[Anonymous No.1757011]

>>1756995
In my opinion Michael Hampton is better for beginners, I´ve tried loomis and is really hard, besides i don't really like his style. this (pic related) is my progress so far using hampton's book.

[Anonymous No.1757014]

>>1756997
michael hampton. read figure drawing design and invention

[Anonymous No.1757028]

>>1756995
>>1757014
can you develop a bit more your point?

noob here who has just read the postit...

[Anonymous No.1757029]

>>1757028

Get this
http://www.amazon.com/Figure-Drawing-Invention-Michael-Hampton/dp/0615272819

and this
http://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-sketching-environments-imagination/dp/1933492732/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403215082&sr=1-1&keywords=scott+robertson+how+to+draw

And this wouldn't hurt either
http://www.amazon.com/Successful-Drawing-Andrew-Loomis/dp/0857687611/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403215102&sr=1-1&keywords=successful+drawing

[Anonymous No.1757033]

Not that guy, but I'm not made of money, amazon takes a shit ton of money for shipping where i live.
Where can i get the book by Scott Robertson? Like a pdf or something

[Anonymous No.1757035]

>>1757029
How about you post something you've drawn when posting things like these? I'm not saying I'm doubting your choice of material, but it'd be nice to see what you've learned from it.

[Anonymous No.1757039]

>>1757035

How about you ride a wheelbarrow full of dicks right up my ass

[Anonymous No.1757041]

>>1757035
how about you just go away

[Anonymous No.1757042]

>>1757029
I wasn't talking about resourse, but about why Loomis is so perjudicial for a noob. I don't like his style in FWAP, so I'd prefer skip it, but in all the guides I read so far it's presented as a good book for beginners.

[Anonymous No.1757045]

>>1757042
s/perjudicial/harmful/

[Anonymous No.1757050]

>>1757042
It's a tricky thing, the problem I had with FWAP and Figure Drawing For All It's Worth (I do however quite like Drawing The Head And Hands) is that they're quite littered with very sudden leaps in technique and kind of presumes things of the reader. In Figure Drawing for example he has like one page on Form that tells you to "Think In 3d" and sort of leaves it at that before going into a dump of pose sketches for 75% of the book because the internet wasn't around in the 1930s for easy access to naked photos. Might be enough for some people, but wasn't enough for me.
Hampton's book stresses more on very basic construction from the start and explains 3d shapes in every bit of the human body. For me it was far more confidence inspiring and I made much faster progress with it.

[Anonymous No.1757051]

Did this this mornin.

[Anonymous No.1757054]

>>1757051
this morning of 1998?

[Anonymous No.1757069]

>>1757039
>>1757041

Dudes, seriously. He wasn't even being rude.

[Anonymous No.1757072]

>>1757051
LOL

[Anonymous No.1757073]

>>1757051
Hi Steve Huston.

[Anonymous No.1757096]

I am an absolute beginner, like a 2 year old would kick my ass drawing. Where do I begin? I mainly want to get into drawing figures and eventually beautiful naked women, but also cars.

Where are these fundamentals that everybody talks about? How can I practice obtaining that "artist" vision? Will drawing Loomis grandpas help me with that?

[You're Mom No.1757102]

I feel like these should have taken me like an hour but it took me all day (I'm at work so customers interrupt me a lot too, though)

[Anonymous No.1757107]

>>1757096

[Anonymous No.1757109]

>>1757107
Holy shit this
Everything depends on your ability to see and draw convincing basic 3d shapes

[You're Mom No.1757114]

>>1757107
I thought successful drawing was a more advanced book

>holy fucking dick anus

I have clearly been led astray!

Would "How to Draw" by Scotty 2 Hottie be a reasonable facsimile of the second listed work? I was thinking of picking that one up asap. I just love looking at that nigga's drawings.

[Anonymous No.1757121]

>>1757107

I made that lel

[Anonymous No.1757122]

>>1757114
the order of which to read loomis:
Fun with a Pencil
Successful Drawing
Figure Drawing for All it's Worth
Creative Illustration
Eye of the Painter

Scott is your God, don't ask questions.

[Anonymous No.1757124]

>>1757114

Also yes his book is like his videos condensed in print form

His videos are pirateable though so if you're poor that's up to you

[Anonymous No.1757126]

>>1757033
It's worth the money, and there's no proper scan of it.

>>1757096
>I mainly want to get into drawing figures and eventually beautiful naked women, but also cars.

I have no idea why I laughed, but I did. Anyway, read the sticky. The beginner books are very helpful.

[Anonymous No.1757131]

>>1757107
Thank you, I will look these up.

[Anonymous No.1757141]

>>1757107

[Anonymous No.1757142]

>>1757141

lol I made that edit

[Anonymous No.1757143]

>>1757142
And I've been following it. gj, man.

[Anonymous No.1757145]

You guys don't seem ready for construction. Can any of you even do this right?

[You're Mom No.1757159]

>>1757145
I c-could do that but I don't want to!

[Anonymous No.1757162]

>>1756987
get rid of those chicken strokes, your lines need to be more confident
PRACTICE MORE

[Anonymous No.1757171]

>>1757159
can you
can you really

[You're Mom No.1757176]

>>1757171
Y-yeah dude, no problem!

...

[Anonymous No.1757179]

>>1757141
how are you supposed to know what book "how to draw" os

[Anonymous No.1757181]

>>1757145
what is even the point of this?

[Anonymous No.1757185]

So how do these threads work? Just follow everyone's example in the threads, or jut post our own practice sessions in here?

Because I'm on Loomis's Fun With A Pencil, page 22, so do I post my last work, or jut follow along with everyone else?

[Anonymous No.1757195]

i should have bought a keurig.

any feedback?

[You're Mom No.1757200]

>>1757185
Post stuff from your practice session, hope for advice or critique and stay motivated.

[Anonymous No.1757294]

I'm an absolute beginner, anybody care to Judge my work?

[Anonymous No.1757321]

>>1757029

Okay that how to draw:sketching object and enviroments from the imagination is fucking INSANE
How the fuck is that supposed to be a book for beginners?

It seems to teach how to construct parts of machinery and other shit but I have no idea what to do with any of the stuff in there.
Like I'm so confuse

[Anonymous No.1757322]

OPs picture always gets me, looks just like this drunk guy I rented a house from. He drank a 12 pack of beers every day.

[Anonymous No.1757330]

I want to draw females, but I'm an absolute beginner where do I start?

[Anonymous No.1757342]

Fuck. So much mileage till this clicks and looks like not shit. Anyone else struggling with perspective?

[Anonymous No.1757345]

>>1757294
lines

[Anonymous No.1757350]

>>1757050
this sums it up pretty well.

for example the head: hampton tells you how to construct the basic shapes and establish the landmarks and rules of thirds. and then he goes into each specific feature of the face: eyes, nose, mouth, keystone.

loomis on the other hand tells you to draw a ball and add 3d shapes to it that kinda look like little balls. you dont even understand their form. nor does he explain anything else before moving. all he does is tell you to do something and expect you to somehow magically figure it out on your own. he tells you about the ear line, the eyeline and the last line. and that's it.

hampton's process is much better to understand, his drawings look a lot better than loomis and it will help you learn how to construct more complex forms out of basic shapes and this is really what drawing from imagination is all about.

[Anonymous No.1757387]

>>1757181
Well, if you can't even draw a box in perspective, how can you draw other things in perspective.

[Anonymous No.1757391]

>>1757141
Anyone have a download link for "How to draw" by Scooty Robertson?

[Anonymous No.1757400]

>>1757391
iktf bro.

[Anonymous No.1757410]

>>1757391
>>1757400
I think cgpeers had or still has it.

[Anonymous No.1757426]

>>1757410
They don't, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.1757482]

>>1757145
What book is this?

[Anonymous No.1757496]

>>1757482
RapidViz;
it's a good book to learn construction, it have a lot of exercises, and it's easy to pirate.

[Anonymous No.1757535]

>>1757496
Mind uploading it?

[Anonymous No.1757542]

>>1757535
learn how to pirate, m8:
http://libgen.org/search.php?req=rapid+viz&open=0&view=simple&column=def

[Anonymous No.1757565]

>>1757542
Thanks! I've found some scans but they were not complete (62 pages .pdf file)

[Anonymous No.1757572]

>>1757145
woah, I can see them all, it's been quite a long journey.
>>1757342
stop working with 3 vanishing points, you will screw yourself. First try with 2 VP, draw cubes a lot of them, try this as well >>1757145, you should be able to see what is wrong with them after practicing.

If you want to get better at anatomy just go and draw some gestures and some studies on anatomy, working with perspective and anatomy right away... but if it works for you...

[Anonymous No.1757687]

I have couple of questions:
1) how to find reference pictures (for instance if i need a picture of water inbetween the roots of a tree in a swamp how to find it)
2) is drawing on paper is essential or digital painting is all I need to work on?(have both tablet and cancas for real life drawing)

[Anonymous No.1757688]

>>1757687
canvas* sry

[You're Mom No.1757716]

>>1756969
I will try making some from imagination today, hopefully I'm close to getting it. Here's an olf, no reference (I d-didn't draw the hands not because I'm scared but because it's not the point of the image, honest!).

I don't know how to draw facial miscellanea like eyebrows, noses, eyes etc. worth crap, I suppose that will be something I have to look into at some point.

[Anonymous No.1757718]

Hey guys I'm on a really, really small budget.

Is the Wacom CTH-301K acceptable?

[Anonymous No.1757726]

>>1757716
I cant tell if youre trolling

[Anonymous No.1757736]

What is wrong with this. Apart from being done in HB, on lined paper and having awful shading.

[You're Mom No.1757741]

>>1757726
T-that bad?

Those spikey things are just her headband, f-for the record! N-no symbol drawing!

[Anonymous No.1757749]

>>1757716
boobs are way too high up, needs more loomis

[Anonymous No.1757752]

>>1757718

/ic/ pls

[Anonymous No.1757755]

>>1757736
Symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.1757756]

>>1757736
What's wrong with HB?

[Anonymous No.1757758]

>>1757718
>active area 4.21 x 2.63 in

seriously just grab pencil and paper.

[Anonymous No.1757760]

>>1757756
Nothing, just makes the range of values limited. Or I'm not pushing hard enough.

[Anonymous No.1757766]

>>1757755
I was hoping it wasn't that. Would you say this suffers from the same thing?

[Anonymous No.1757773]

>>1757758

what about the new bamboo model?

I think i can spend this much

[Anonymous No.1757774]

>>1757718
It's a bit tiny, I'd rather save some money and buy a slightly better tablet.
You can paint well with the smaller tablets but the bigger ones are more comfortable to use.

[Anonymous No.1757776]

>>1757773

New Intuos*

[Anonymous No.1757777]

>>1757766
Definitely.
I recommend spending time studying form.

[Anonymous No.1757785]

>>1757716
here you go

the facial features are fine for the kind of line art youre trying to do though, good job

[Anonymous No.1757850]

What would be some good videos to learn construction from?

[Anonymous No.1757887]

>>1756703
Which Animal Anatomy book are you using?

[You're Mom No.1757889]

>>1757785
Thanks.

>wtf is this

I was going to do like a laurel kind of design on the headband but the lazy way I did it in the initial sketch made it look like a really bad hairline.

[You're Mom No.1757937]

>tfw bought an Intuos 5 medium to replace a fully functional Intuos 3 6x8 and the nib already looks like shit after these two drawings.

Holy damn!

[Anonymous No.1757978]

>>1757294
Work on your line weight and composition. Right now you're incorporating a lot of different elements into your drawing and therefore it looks cluttered. Other than the eye, I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. The coloring also looks a bit messy.
Keep trying. You'll get better with practice.

[Anonymous No.1757987]

what do you think of my dorf

[Anonymous No.1757989]

>>1757987
Now draw him raping an elf.

[Anonymous No.1757995]

>>1757937
Yeah, I personally went for and Intuos 4 because I heard that the texture on the 5 wore down the nibs like fucking crazy.

[Anonymous No.1758007]

Was bored.
Picked up a pen.
Decided to come here.

[Anonymous No.1758018]

>>1757989

[Anonymous No.1758030]

>>1757937
>>1757987
>>1757889
how do you get such smooth lines on the tablet? I just got mine and they are very shaky when I do a black outline...its kinda maddening.

[Anonymous No.1758035]

>>1758018
Fucking beautiful.

[Anonymous No.1758042]

>>1756987
the only thing loomis is good for with faces, is getting the placement down...which really that's kind of common knowledge how to divide the face.

[Anonymous No.1758046]

Attempt no.2

I think it went a lot better this time. What I figured out:

>3 point perspective can create distortion
>Especially when VPs are too close
>I can just do 2 point perspective and pretend a 3rd point is somewhere off screen like a mile away
>Bam! None distorted 3point Perspective
>Implying anyone will read this
>Fuckyou too

[Anonymous No.1758048]

>>1757766
Yeah. It's symbol drawing.
Who knows, though--maybe you're really good at caricatures.

[Anonymous No.1758093]

I think I've gotten better at facial proportions, so I tried to work on shading a bit more. Getting expressions just right is a lot more fun than I thought it'd be.

[Anonymous No.1758110]

>>1757937

Should've got a 4 m8

[Anonymous No.1758113]

help me d/ic/ks....help me.

[Anonymous No.1758114]

>>1758113
forgot pic...

[Anonymous No.1758132]

>>1758030
draw with shoulder, gitgud, update drivers and stabilizers.

[Anonymous No.1758143]

>>1758132
>just updates
>how does one git good
>thanks for the tip about drawing with the shoulder

[You're Mom No.1758150]

>>1757995
>>1758110
Yeah I just found a local seller offering a 5 CIB barely used for $200; couldn't pass it up, I figured it would be nice to have the 1:1 with my laptop monitor that the Intuos 3 doesn't have but in practice the difference is barely discernible if at all. The Intuos 3 rocks dick holy fuck.

I've got an Intuos 5 large at home and the previous owner has a sort of plastic surface cover on it that neutralizes the ridiculous grit; I've got something to that effect en route for this new one (http://www.amazon.com/POSRUS-Intuos-Medium-Tablet-Surface/dp/B007IWKQQQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403329844&sr=8-1&keywords=intuos+5+surface+cover)) but it won't be here for a week or so and the thought of going through like 4 nibs during that time is terrifying, son.

>>1758030
It's a combination of various things

I've filled several sketch pads with circles and lines so I've got fairly good control with both my wrist and shoulder when drawing. These kind of manual skills are very important and for some reason a lot of art instruction books like Loomis' and Betty Edward's books completely neglect to talk about it at all if I recall correctly.

Also, the thicker the line the more leeway you have; if you're using a very small line on a high resolution image your line is going to look like down syndrome. Try increasing your brush size relative to the canvas size and note the results. Definitely zoom in a good deal, too. When you see really super smooth lines it's typically the result of an artist zooming right up in that shit.

[Anonymous No.1758159]

>>1758114
Oh dear.

Well. For one, you have no confidence in your lines which I assume stems from the fact that you're blindly copying the practice without thinking baout how it works.

Relax. Turn off all distractions.
Then, think about how the shape is formed in 3D space. Think about how simple shapes come together to make the whole shape.
Slowly and at your own pace, try to solidify that image in your minds eye. Then, make sweeping practice strokes above the tablet till you feel you can confidently put down a complete solid line. If you don't think shape looks right, just undo and try again. No one's pressing you to rush your development. Remember, this is just a tool to help you lay down the base so you can add detail later.

If you haven't yet gone through the sticky, I suggest you do so.
And again, and most important of all, relax. Don't fear or stress over it.

[Anonymous No.1758164]

>>1758159
I have been reading loomis and a few others....and the sad thing is that I'm not copying the practice . a bit of an updated version.


I know...

[Anonymous No.1758165]

>>1758164
Perhaps you should start off with some perspective. Loomis is fine for construction (As long as you just don't copy his drawings.) But can be a bit tough for someone without any 3D knowledge.

I personally recommend "Perspective made easy" which you can a free PDF with a simple search. But some people have recently recommended "How To Draw" by Scott Robbertson, which is not free and I have not had a chance to look at it.

Getting a good idea of perspective will help you understand how construction works and in turn strengthen your proportions and ability to see objects as shapes and angles.

[Anonymous No.1758171]

>>1758165
damn, I had just done another head...it was a fair bit better after reading what you wrote.....I for some reason just never thing of drawings in a 3dimensional perspective. let me see is photoshop saved before crashing.

[Anonymous No.1758229]

>>1758132
>stabilizers
Casual scum

[Anonymous No.1758236]

question.

i've been drawing casually for maybe five years now, but lately I've been getting serious - my plans for this summer are to advance and work hard.

anyways, should i start with 'fun with a pencil', even though these drawings seem very easy for me, or should i continue on to books about perspective and lighting and such?

i just want to know if it's worth it to go through a book that, as far as i can tell, is useful only for giving new artists drawing mileage.

pic attached of something i've drawn recreationally, but it was a while ago so i like to think i've gotten better since then.

[Anonymous No.1758260]

>>1757195
The_bottom_part_isn't_in_perspective#Space_is_broken

[Anonymous No.1758295]

>>1758260
Is your space and enter key broken or something?

[Anonymous No.1758297]

>>1758236

FWAP introduces the concept of constructing something out of basic shapes like a sphere and cubes. If you're familiar with this concept you can skip it as far as I'm concerned. I personally prefer hampton over loomis.

[Anonymous No.1758332]

>>1758229
>purposely hindering yourself to seem cool
enjoy your output suffering because of it.

[Anonymous No.1758343]

>>1758332
But you develop better control by not relying on it.

[Anonymous No.1758437]

>>1758297
alright, thanks. i guess i'll move on to perspective made easy and work up from there.

[Anonymous No.1758440]

>>1757572
>>1758046

Everytime I try a geometrical approach, I get all jumbled up. Now I just feel like I'm falling back on eyeballing and vague memories of anatomy. May as well do some figure drawings if I'm going this route, right?

[Anonymous No.1758443]

>>1758440
>Pic related

[Anonymous No.1758448]

trying to sketch a female from the back with a foreshortened arm and just cant get it right

[Anonymous No.1758511]

what are some good books for beginners?

when I lurk i've heard thats these books are recommended.
> Drawing on the right side of the brain
> keys to drawing

are these any good?

[Anonymous No.1758522]

>>1758511
read the sticky.

[Anonymous No.1758525]

>>1758511
Yes, I recommend trying to read both and picking what's best for you. I think Keys To Drawing is a bit better because it doesn't rely on the viewframe too much and "forces" you to actually observe.

[Anonymous No.1758528]

>>1758522
this, or just read through the fucking thread.

how lazy are people? there is a ton of information on everything everywhere and all these fuckers do is go in the exact same threads where people already answered their fucking questions and ask again because they are just too fucking lazy to spend 1 minute of their time looking for an answer and they'd rather be spoonfed it.

we should just stop helping them. no need to help people who cant help themselves

[Anonymous No.1758556]

>>1757145
I know what's wrong with them, but I wouldn't be able to draw a perfect cube

[Anonymous No.1758593]

Durp. I'm thinking making manikins out of figure poses will help me out.

[Anonymous No.1758619]

Can someone point out exactly what's wrong with this. I need some study ideas.

[Anonymous No.1758620]

>>1758619

[Autismal as fuck No.1758629]

>>1756653
I've been drawing my whole life, and loved doing it, but never tried anything serious up until about a year ago. I find I'm much better at cartoons but will post a few of the more artsy things I've done. This is something I drew like 5 minutes ago

[Autismal as fuck No.1758630]

>>1758629
Random lewd picture I made. By the way, forgot to mention this in the initial post, I'd like some critique and pointers on how to do arms/legs because I suck shit at it

[Autismal as fuck No.1758633]

>>1758630
This is of a girl I sexted, it's way too fucking blurry I know

[Autismal as fuck No.1758634]

>>1758633
My ex requested I draw her so I made this

[Autismal as fuck No.1758635]

>>1758634
Was drunk when I made this one

[Autismal as fuck No.1758636]

>>1758635
4u

[Autismal as fuck No.1758640]

>>1758636
This one is considerably shittier than the rest but again, I was drunk

[Anonymous No.1758641]

>>1758620
You can't draw hands so you hide them. There's no sense of weight on the figure, study some gesture. Just... read the sticky.

>>1758633
Looks like a stupid filter. Why are you posting these though? Are you looking for critique?

[Anonymous No.1758656]

>>1758634
Why is her feet in a bucket?

[Anonymous No.1758657]

>>1758641
>t)1
Most likely he's too shitty for DeviantArt so he came here

[Anonymous No.1758679]

>>1756749
i actually like the background but if you could darken the edges of the petals jut a tad bit more it might make the picture a little better since the top right blossom looks like a white silhouette

[Anonymous No.1758681]

>>1758634
i can see why she left you

[Anonymous No.1758687]

>>1756749
don't be afraid to use darker values.

[Anonymous No.1758803]

>>1758046
Hey, sorry for the late reply, life's been hard.

Try working while watching Proko's videos on youtube, they will help you out sorting all problems about anatomy. Also work with your lines, they seem shaky and insecure, prolly its your first time with a tablet?

And go to watch real bodies if you want to draw them. That's the only and easier way since our brain is always deceiving us.

keep it up!

>>1758593
almost forgot, try to break down the body in simple figures. Proko has a video on it

[You're Mom No.1758804]

>tfw fairly consistently putting the ear too far back on the head (>>1757716)

I'm not on the part of the book where Loomis explains the construction in detail; I just sort of vaguely remember this construct from FWAP. Hopefully the next few pages will prove illuminating.

[Anonymous No.1758807]

>>1758803

>life's been hard
W-what's going on anon-kun?

[You're Mom No.1758808]

>>1758804
Couple other problems I'm seeing. Sheeeeeit!

[Anonymous No.1758819]

>>1758804
Go and look for Vilppu's videos. I just watched one about the different planes (?) of the skull and draw after watching it. And hell, it helped a lot.

>>1758807
I'm studying math so I can get to study art,heh, and I suck at maths, but I'm working on it.
Now go and watch some Proko

[Anonymous No.1758838]

>>1758803
Oh snap, and you took the time to critique? Anon-kun, I...

>prolly its your first time with a tablet?
J-jerk! So mean! T///T

Close, though. I haven't touched my old intuos5 in about 3 months. Going through readjustment at the moment. I definitely could used some improvement on my line control and figure drawing though, I won't argue those at all.

Current progress:
>pic related

Out of curiosity, are you doing college math or something?

[Anonymous No.1758846]

>tfw no left-handed tutorials

[Anonymous No.1758865]

I think I'm going to draw some muscles and bones. Hopefully this will make my anatomy look better.

[Anonymous No.1758913]

First time posting on /ic/ and I've been drawing for a little over 4 months now.
This is the second time I've drawn a room in perspective and I started to get lazy near the end and rushed the details. I used photoshop to find the horizon line and the 2 VPs then everything else on paper.

I've only watched Gary Meyer's Fundamentals of Perspective and Marshall Vandruff's Perspective Series, I don't have money right now but I'm waiting until I can buy Scott Robertson's How to Draw book.

Feeling kind of lost at the moment and I don't really know how to approach studying. For the past 2 months I've just been grinding boxes in perspective, ellipses and gestures. I've tried going through Hampton and Vilppu but after a few chapters I'd just go back to the beginning and start over. Feels pretty bad but I'm seeing some progress.

[Anonymous No.1758914]

>>1758913
Here's my ref

[Anonymous No.1758918]

>>1758913
do fun things you enjoy; no matter how "bad" you think they turn out. Don't just grind, you will burn out and you will lose interest, Find artists you enjoy and try to do works like them too.

[Anonymous No.1759012]

>>1758918
>Try to focus on drawing
>Procrastination out of control

>Try to prepare for math exam
>Suddenly i do nothing but draw

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT

How can i fix this?

[Anonymous No.1759019]

>>1759012
I don't see a problem with the latter scenario.

Just force yourself to draw and you'll soon get into the mentality. Make it a daily habit, same time, same duration. If you're lacking creativity then do something easier like gesture drawing or anatomical study.

[Anonymous No.1759021]

>>1759012
Plan more math exams.

[Anonymous No.1759075]

Read >>1759041 and gave it a whack

[Anonymous No.1759141]

>>1759075
Are you really small or something

[Anonymous No.1759164]

Beginner trying to draw what I see, focusing only in the contours.
tl;dr How do/did you practice that?


My room is small and the distance I can put still life from myself it's ridiculous close, so, although I try to keep my head as inmovil as I can the still life keep changing the shapes every time...
I decided to copy images from my latop. I'm drawing on tracing paper trying to achieve the same size 1:1 respect to the screen (before starting I put the tracey fragment over the screen and mark two points that then I use as basic unit).

I have the follow questions:
* which pics do you think are the more practice for that?
* when you realize you did a mistake, is it best to: 1 use the erase 2 draw the same pic again 3 draw some other pic
* once you've finished, which is the best way to detect the errors you did? (I do it by puting the paper on the screen, but...)
* is it valuable to draw the same pic more than once?
* how much perfection should you be able to achieve with contour drawing before moving to the next stage (values and so...). Related pic - - blue points are the two initial points I traced, red marks my main errors.
* any tip?

[Anonymous No.1759170]

>>1759164
>focusing only in the contours.
>tl;dr How do/did you practice that?
Look up Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course. Read the process on how to copy Bargue plates, and do several of those. They will teach you how to draw what you see and how to measure proportions. There's also Drawing Made Easy by Lutz, which covers essentially the same concept.

>* which pics do you think are the more practice for that?
Stick with Bargue plates to start off, but try to get a lot of drawing from life done.

>* when you realize you did a mistake..
If you spot a mistake, fix it immediately. If it's less work to start over than correct the existing piece, then start over. If the problem is with something established in the early stages (like proportions) and you're already beyond that stage, start over. If your ref is bad or you're not quite skilled enough to tackle it successfully after multiple attempts, move on to something else.

>* once you've finished, which is the best way to detect the errors you did?
You could look at your ref and the original with a mirror. You could use visual measuring techniques to check where things align along horizontal and verticals. You could check your proportions. You could squint at yours and the ref from a distance and note any differences. You could load them both on the computer and compare them side by side. You could post them online for feedback.

>* is it valuable to draw the same pic more than once?
Not usually. A good goal is to learn to draw a variety of things from a variety of angles, both using what's in front of you and from your imagination. Ironing out the same thing over and over won't teach you anything new.

>* how much perfection should you be able to achieve..
To avoid the most headaches, each step should be perfect before proceeding to the next. If you spot proportion errors, why wait to correct it after you already place down your values if you can correct it now and save time and energy?

[Anonymous No.1759235]

>>1759170
thanks anon.

Since it looks like the book is kind of famous, do you think I could borrow the plates in their original size from some library ? (I live in London), or the only way is making copies like this guy ( www.youtube dot com slash watch?v=NFitUPCmhK8 ) and others did.
I find places to buy the book, DVDs of artist doing those exercises, but not the plates itself in a proper size.

Also, I was trying to avoid excessives measuring (I don't know why I though it'd be less effective to learn how to copy). But after watching videos of people doing those exercises it looks like I was wrong, wasn't I?

[Anonymous No.1759256]

Can anyone untangle my brain when it comes to circles in three point perspective?

I know the two point one with the ``use the major axis of a cylinder that goes through the wheel as the minor axis of the ellipse and then insert the major axis of the ellipse at right angles and make everything symmetrical'' bit, but that's two point perspective.

It seems that all books and videos I've read so far avoid this...
Marshall Vandruffs draw123 vids, perspective handbook of D'Amelio... they use the easy peasy fun time method I have paraphrased above but three point perspective breaks my head for some reason.

Searching for some shit on the botnet gave me overly complicated systems with 12 points on grids and stuff ( http://youtu.be/Z-uZHAjGXms ), surely there is a better way?

[You're Mom No.1759259]

[Anonymous No.1759260]

>>1759259
weiworks video?

[Anonymous No.1759263]

>>1759256
But don't circles behave the same in 2 point perspective as in 3 point perspective? Now if it was like 4 point perspective and circles, that stuff does seem difficult.

[Anonymous No.1759264]

H-here I go

How is it?

[Anonymous No.1759265]

>>1759263
>But don't circles behave the same in 2 point perspective as in 3 point perspective?
I don't know, feels wrong since in 2 point you have one set of line that doesn't converge at some point, in 3 point all of them do, distorting all the squares.
I can't make ellipses fit in them without shit looking off.

[Anonymous No.1759266]

>>1759264
keep studying

[Anonymous No.1759267]

>>1756685
>>1756653

Picasso ain't got shit on me

[You're Mom No.1759273]

>>1759260
Nah, still on Loomis. I just somehow ended up making one of the dudes look asian unintentionally not once but twice. I should probably be zooming in farther so I can make more accurate lines.

[Anonymous No.1759368]

am I doing this right.

[Anonymous No.1759370]

I actually kinda like how this one turned out.

I enjoy drawing candles for some reason

[Anonymous No.1759379]

>>1759370
Not bad, but work on how your shapes line up and try not to do that scratchy thing with your pencil. Seems weird not to at first but you'll get used to it.

[Anonymous No.1759509]

>>1758838
It looks better tho, at least you have some understanding on how the body and the face works and everything is not all scrambled, also, you don't have fear on drawing hands and I you feel the volume of the body as well!
However you have to loose your hand anon! Stop thinking inside the square, go and gather some pictures for gesture drawing, or go to actual sessions (I'd love some near my home tho). Everything helps, and I know is scary and all looks like shit at first, but then you start to see improvement.

Ik how is to pick up your tablet after a long time, but after some practice with pencil and paper, at /least on my case, I found it easily to recover of that shakiness, so I would recommend to you to do as well.

TL;DR go practice some gestures so you can loose your hand.

And for the last question, no not really, I was once studying informatics engineering, but it was fucking boring. So now I'm going for this architecture school here in my country which is basically an arch, design and art school. And they ask for maths on their entrance test. Follow your dreams right?

Anyways, keep practicing, don't stay in your comfort zone, and don't ever let the negativeness of some anons take you down, I will do it myself


Woah, this is a long ass post

[Anonymous No.1759530]

>>1759509
Definitely going to put heavier focus on gesture and figure drawing starting tomorrow, along with lines. The paper and pencil did help ease me back into being able to use the tablet. I'll most likely end up dual handling digital and traditional.

A weird trick I do to make myself comfortable with the tablet is taping tracing or copy paper on it. That way the texture feels more familiar and improves my control. May not be for everyone but helps me a ton.

>Follow your dreams right?
If not that, what else would keep a m8 going, amiright? Money? Pish posh. Personally my schooling route will be a cheap alternative that will maximize the amount of time I can practice, compliment my skills I'm honing, and minimize money spent.

>Community College
>Visual Comm degree
>Build Portfolio because it's the real money maker

Also progress
>pic related

[Anonymous No.1759532]

>>1756653

Isn't this BG #3?

[Anonymous No.1759574]

I have a minuscule idea of what I'm doing

[Anonymous No.1759579]

>>1759574
You're all over the place, focus on one thing at a time. You're trying to learn faces, body and perspective at the same time.

[Anonymous No.1759580]

>>1759579

go big or go home

[Anonymous No.1759624]

Meant to do a quick full body study. Ended up spending like an hour fixing tiny mistakes all over to torso. Still ended up looking like shit. Never moved on to the rest of the body.

[Anonymous No.1759642]

>>1759509
>and don't ever let the negativeness of some anons take you down, I will do it myself
I meant I need to get away from my comfort zone.

>>1759530
I guess using paper works, I can't tell honestly, what it works for you, it works.
There are some good sites for gesture on the sticky, so give them a look

>If not that, what else would keep a m8 going, amiright? Money? Pish posh
Exactly, maybe I'm not going the easiest way, but having a heavy tuition in design is what I want the more (better than studying maths). Find your own path and follow it anon and work hard, don't be as me!

Those lines are far better, adn you certainly know your basics. Finish the body and try shading it simply, so you can feel the volume. Every single piece, sketch, etc serves it purpose as practice.

As an example of loosing your hand, I mean try to reach something like this, this is from son anon here on this board, which works I like too much (you can find it somewhere on another thread tho).

[You're Mom No.1759679]

While the anatomy is probably all kinds of fucked up in ways I'm too unschooled to perceive this certainly error-ridden image felt really good to make nonetheless. There was a sort of nonchalant ease in its creation wherein' I'd went from the head construction to the body from imagination alone that I'd never experienced before; as if the things I'd erstwhile studied are slowly taking their first tentative steps towards falling into place.

[Anonymous No.1759684]

>>1759679
Try giving a look at pictures of nude men, you will spot your mistakes.
If you cant the ones I can see are the knees and the shoulders/arms placement.
keep it up

[Anonymous No.1759686]

>>1759684
>>>/hm/

[Anonymous No.1759688]

>>1759686
>second thread
>small dick thread
You made my night anon

[You're Mom No.1759691]

>>1759684
>Try giving a look at pictures of nude men

B-...but that's gay, bro! I don't need to look at naked dudes to learn more about what knees look like or where the shoulders and arms go!

Thanks for the advice though, I am very weak when it comes to anatomy. I've done almost no serious study on it and what landmarks I may have gotten correct by happenstance are just due to my prolific experience making ridiculous contour heavy not-gestures on posemaniacs.

[Anonymous No.1759705]

Reading keys to drawing
On the chapter about light and mapping

I took pictures of my head (well the guys face in this pic is not me obv, I'm 18) and hands in dif positions under a direct lamp to study the effect of light and the shapes it produces.
Idk I enjoy this chapter the most so far.
The hands are off place in regards to the figure but they only serve purpose for study.

[Anonymous No.1759707]

>>1759691
I remember a line in loomis practically saying if you don't use nude references when you're starting to learn anatomy. You're practically a fagit
Also, posting first time fun with pencil sketches.
I'm right at the beginning of the book.
How did I do?

[Anonymous No.1759708]

>>1759235
You can get the plates here:
http://uploading.com/files/eefe6a2m/Charles%2BBargue%2BDrawing%2BCourse-%2Bthe%2Bbook.rar/

Be sure to uncheck the box on the left of the screen so that you don't use their shitty download accelerator.

Measuring is always your friend. You shouldn't use a ruler, but a thin stick or calipers work well. Video related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

[Anonymous No.1759709]

>>1759256
>>1759265
Circles are a flat shape. Flat shapes exist in planes. A plane can't really have 3 vanishing points.

[You're Mom No.1759710]

>>1759707
>How did I do?

Bretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWI9wq97Bs

[Anonymous No.1759725]

I have been grinding loomis for weeks now; my heads are getting no better...possibly worse, I don't even know. I understand what I'm supposed to do but his book isn't really helping me. Any anatomy sources people found helpful to pair with his work?

[Anonymous No.1759726]

>>1759707

>mfw

[Anonymous No.1759752]

>>1758260
is it really that bad

[Anonymous No.1759754]

can i get a critique on this? i know my shadowing is sorta shitty

[Anonymous No.1759770]

>>1759752

[Anonymous No.1759786]

>>1759770
okay i see it now. i seem to have a problem with changing perspectives middrawing. any tips to fix this habit or will i eventually get it right with practice?

[Anonymous No.1759789]

>>1759786
I think "having problems with perspectives and it's relations with stuff, period," better sums up your dilemma. Best thing for you imo is to do a thorough brush up on how perspective works, it's effect on stuff, and exercise what you pick up from reviewing. Also try to apply it to future drawings.

[Anonymous No.1759791]

>>1759789
wow im that bad. what about >>1759754 this one?

[Anonymous No.1759793]

Damn, I would have liked to have seen the previous thread but missed it. There's no /ic/ archive right?

[Anonymous No.1759795]

>>1759791
I'm also going to take a guess (and feel free to correct me anytime, nigrar) but you don't understand much about lighting, if anything at all.

You more or less just tried to photocopy a conch shell? Riddle me this: If someone asked you to draw a cube, sphere, and pyramid, but with the light source coming from a different angles, how hard would that be for you to imagine without ref?

[Anonymous No.1759797]

>>1759795
i wouldnt know wtf to do. i drew that from this pic. someone in another thread said the lighting was coming from the front

[Anonymous No.1759801]

>>1759797
>i wouldnt know wtf to do
That's kinda a huge problem, especially when you're taking on a more complex shape.

Just drawing from a picture won't really help you understand how and why things work. That understanding comes from studying the bare basics so you know how to spot things.

Also, and this is my opinion, that pic is a shitty reference to study from unless you literally just want to copy something random. Perhaps as an exercise in maintaining proportions, which is something else you're having trouble with.

[Anonymous No.1759805]

>>1759801
do you recommend any books to help understand lighting? whats wrong with my proportions? i honestly dont see it with the shell

[Anonymous No.1759806]

>>1759805
oh and what makes a good reference pic/shitty reference pick?

[Anonymous No.1759814]

I try to draw a little every night using 4chan references. I have been doing line work for the past few months, but I feel like I am asymptotically approaching my max...

Decided to switch it up and try shading a
nd inking, but I have no idea what the proper technique is... ? Right now it is all trial and error!

I may share every night if I find the beginners thread helpful, but I don't want to be annoying...

[Anonymous No.1759817]

>>1759814
Unless it's gestural studies (and they'd have to be objectively good), don't use anime/cartoons for learning how to draw. Get actual references, like photos of real life people, and life drawing. Your proportions are all retarded because of this.

For shading/inking, learn the basics. Start rendering basic prisms and such, learn how lighting works, etc. There are proper books for that.

[Anonymous No.1759923]

>>1759814
>Reaching a max
The journey is endless, nigga.
Improvement and renovation is as boundless as the imagination.

[Anonymous No.1759935]

>>1759707
Hey /ic/ I'm the owner of this pic related.
And I was wondering, what tutorials are there to get rid of chicken lines? or Chicken scratches, what ever you guys call lines that go over each other too much.

[Anonymous No.1759943]

First time poster here
Its mostly a habit thing, its why its a good idea to do a warm up sketch or something. From what iv read you should draw more with your arm and body rather than the wrist. it sounds weird but its a step to getting lines that flow more.

and im not much proud of it, but whatever starting on anatomy

[Anonymous No.1759945]

>>1759935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1760086]

>>1759945
Can this be done with regular pencil and paper?
Or must I stick to the material he has mentioned?

[Anonymous No.1760097]

>>1759814
this >>1759817 . I used to draw like you, sticking with cartoons and anime. It hurts your progress, stop it.

>Decided to switch it up and try shading and inking, but I have no idea what the proper technique is... ? Right now it is all trial and error!
It is and it's not. I've seen several people gettin amazing and painting and inking while having such weak basis resulting on horrible designs/draws.
If you want to practice shading, go draw some bodies, feel the volume of objects, etc., it's not about learning a technique in this case tho.

>I may share every night if I find the beginners thread helpful, but I don't want to be annoying...
Go ahead, I'm here all nights as well, may I help you a bit.

[Anonymous No.1760100]

>>1759943
You're drawing how you think the body is, so the result. Go grab some refs.
>you should draw more with your arm and body
Use your shoulder, not your whole body, unless you feel more comfortable that way

[Anonymous No.1760121]

Mu scanner is super shitty, since it can't read light strokes. But ignoring that, how exactly do I shade with a pencil?

[Anonymous No.1760149]

>>1760097
The poses from cartoons are more exciting so they usually pique my interest, but point taken - after lurking for a bit I knew I'd get the no cartoons feedback :) I'll draw some stuff around the house tonight

>>1759923
The first month my progress was exponential, then it tapered to linear growth, now it is logarithmic. I just have to be more patient now to improve.

[Anonymous No.1760156]

>>1760086
You can

[Anonymous No.1760166]

>>1760149
>The first month my progress was exponential, then it tapered to linear growth, now it is logarithmic. I just have to be more patient now to improve.
welcome to the club
I know cartoons and animu poses are more exciting to draw, but they are stylized, someone has already draw bodies enough to understand and simplify the bodies, so if you draw them you dont get too much information on how a body really is.
So go draw some nude people and try to exaggerate their pose so they look more 'exciting' (i.e. make they bend more their legs, their torse, neck etc)

keep it up

[Anonymous No.1760175]

>>1760121
That actually doesn't look too bad. I'd say get a better scanner or clean it up in photoshop/gimp/online editor so we can see the lines better but, for a beginner.. I really like the way you shade.

[Anonymous No.1760177]

>>1759814
I'm not saying stop drawing cartoons and anime.. I'm just saying you'd do yourself a world a good if you went to a site like http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/ and did it alongside your animu studies. I like how you're able to capture the gestures. You're understanding form and movement very well. I'd very much like to see you draw actual people too because like the others have said, the people that originally drew these have stylized them and they first had to understand how real anatomy worked before getting to this point.

[Anonymous No.1760189]

I've been drawing from Fun with Pencil for a week now and I get super angry at myself when Loomis tells you to draw from your imagination and my drawing ends up sucking and I compare mine to the one that Loomis drew. It feels like he's taunting me, like "that's cool and all but here's the one I made"

[Anonymous No.1760193]

>>1760189
Don't ever compare yourself to an artist. Just focus on grinding and progressing.

[Anonymous No.1760197]

>>1760121
the way you're shading already will take you a long way with values

[Anonymous No.1760206]

>>1760189
>for a week now

You're in for a long ass ride m8

[Anonymous No.1760207]

>>1760206
Gotta start somewhere.

[Anonymous No.1760212]

>>1760197
So, how do I shade better? Any tips?

[Anonymous No.1760218]

>Dodson asking me to draw a foreshortened figure while I have no knowledge of forms and perspective

I keep fucking up goddamn it. Even trying to keep proportions correct on a standing non-foreshortened figure took me 6 tries to get right. GAH!

... Back to work.

[You're Mom No.1760223]

>>1760189
This is normal. You'll get there just keep on practicing G money. For one, Loomis has a mental library accrued from a decades long career as a professional illustrator, you have a mental library from a week of looking at the dude's most rudimentary publication. You should post your work so we can see what your underlying problems might be.

[Anonymous No.1760229]

>>1760223

[Anonymous No.1760268]

>>1756708
Your greatest problem is just drawing the ball, and then leaving it, adding features randomly, not using the ball for base. The ball has a reason, it's the cranium, add jaw to it and remember to cut the sides from the ball (or you'll end up with a "potatohead"). After adding the jaw, mouth placement becomes obvious.

You should alway in doubt feel your own head, it's more accurate refefence than any picture (unless you're from india/freakshow).

>>1759368
You have also problems with cutting up the cranium from the sides, otherwise they look fine. Just look more into the jaws, mouths and eyes. I know this (cartoon faces) is how Loomis teaches, but you'll get more out of your exercises if you take few steps towards realism in early stage after you're not afraid to lay pencil on the paper.

>>1759370
Top of the candle is off. Compare the middle shaft and bottom cup with top. You don't need to draw vp's and perspective grids, but just eyeball the whole picture. Maybe sketch a box around the object to keep the perspective in mind (which can be frustrating with round objects like your candle).

[Anonymous No.1760274]

>>1760223
topkek
>tow when dat ass

[Anonymous No.1760275]

>>1760268
I'm not those people, but thank you for helping.
For /ic/'s sake.

[Anonymous No.1760286]

[Anonymous No.1760290]

>>1760268
Not them, but thank you.

[Anonymous No.1760295]

>>1760286
Did you buy the right tablet? Mine came with Loomis?

[Anonymous No.1760311]

What you need is imagination.

Here's a good way of starting to use it. Draw a couple of random lines turn whatever medium you are using 180 degrees, and draw the rest using imagination. Its how i did this thing, whatever it is

[Anonymous No.1760319]

>>1760286
>bought a tablet
>still typing with a keyboard

[Anonymous No.1760325]

>>1760268

but anon, the top of candles may or may not burn evenly

the liquid wax at the tip seems to be in the right perspective

[Anonymous No.1760327]

>>1760325
he's right, doesn't matter how uneven it is, you won't be able to see that much area around the wick.
Your picture supports that.

[You're Mom No.1760351]

>>1760286
I'd thought ages ago that simply owning an expensive tablet would impress upon me the skill and vision needed to be a competitive artist (somehow) and as I'd sat there in front of my computer monitor, dumbfounded at how I was to go about putting my thoughts into images, I learned the terrible truth. That there are no shortcuts, that I had no idea how to draw anything and that pissing a shit load of money away on the most expensive and worst tablet I've yet owned (the Wacom Cintiq 12wx) didn't change that in the slightest.

Maybe consider putting the tablet down and picking up some paper and pencil, first. Start working on your muscle memory and other fundamentals before anything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZmwHU7vZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.1760357]

I feel like I've gotten a little bit better, but only at trying to draw what Loomis wants me in the book, rather than in general.

I'm only around page 20, so is this something that will slide off later once I get deeper into the book and learn other concepts, or should I go back and reread everything to make sure I understand the concepts?

[Anonymous No.1760366]

>>1760351
>Maybe consider putting the tablet down and picking up some paper and pencil, first. Start working on your muscle memory and other fundamentals before anything else.

Best advice in entire thread.

Draw something you're happy with.
Draw over it digitally.
Repeat.

[Anonymous No.1760411]

>>1760357
Nah i don't think reading too much of those '50 techno bubbles would teach you a lot, just practice. Also, like a lot of others in this thread (not that i am much better to be honest) i think you are not considering two abilities you should improve before going deep into loomis books: copying from life (read Key to drawing, drawing with the right side of the brain or similar) and perspective (some 1/2/3 points perspective book or tutorial, practicing geometric forms would be ok).
Skip those steps and you will only lose time.

[Anonymous No.1760519]

This page is brought to you by the Uncanny Valley and Chicken Scratch.

[Anonymous No.1760523]

>>1760519
see >>1760411

[Anonymous No.1760545]

Please tell me I got this somewhat proportionally and anatomically correct.

Started this about 45 minutes ago. Taking my time to learn how everything works. Just getting to the hips. Hips are confusing.

A critique would be nice. I wanna know if I'm actually learning something and continue with this picture. Or just start from scratch if everything is fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1760557]

>>1760545
your perspective is skewed like 15-30 degrees but i would say keep going
you'll learn something if you persist, making sure to try recalling anatomy from memory before making sure it's correct with whatever anatomical resources you have

this is, after all, just one of many, many studies you will be doing

[Anonymous No.1760589]

>>1760545
what this anon says >>1760557
Also, try overlapping your draw with the model so you can see your flaws
Everything is going to look 'bad' at first, yous keep moving ahead. There's no shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.1760595]

>>1760156
thanks

[Anonymous No.1760614]

So, Im doing 7-8 blooks per day, with some doodling on the side.
Is this anywhere near enough? How many do I need to gitgud?

[Anonymous No.1760618]

>>1760177
Thanks for the site - Challenge accepted! I'll post what I draw later tonight

Dumping drawings from last night - when I draw with the graphite the figure just turns into a blob... How do you keep the lines crisp?

[Anonymous No.1760660]

>>1760545

What is the point of this? Do 100 and you know how to draw one pose? Who the fuck came up with the idea to do this? It seems like all /ic/ does.

[Anonymous No.1760704]

Drawing from life

What do I need to study ASAP?

[Anonymous No.1760711]

>>1760704
What kind of world do you live in?

[Anonymous No.1760712]

>>1760618
Ah the time limit is hard! I disabled it until I get better. I still hate shading...

Time to draw some animu for fun

[Anonymous No.1760716]

>>1760704
Colour theory ;^)

[Anonymous No.1760717]

starting to figure draw. I've been drawing I guess for awhile but has always been very cartoony stuff. I'm ready to better myself and draw well and realistically. (with hot anime babez for my own enjoyment) With my first figure drawing does this any good? perspective-wise and proportions? It would help to get others input on the most basic of drawings so I can start fixing my mistakes at the core. Thanks

[Anonymous No.1760728]

decided to do a fun bit after getting sick and studying loomis for a couple weeks...it really isn't helping. I just wanted to try and get better brush strokes so i did all the lines in the letters with one or two strokes...I'm not even sure whats wrong with her fucking arms at this point.

[Anonymous No.1760732]

Her arms seems simply too short. It might help to actually get into that pose (since it's easy to replicate) You will notice your arms are going to be touching the floor if not, damn near close. and if you swing her arms down they will be on her thigh. If you want to work on clean brush strokes and stroke confidence then just make a single stroke, not too slow or it will be all wavy and bad, and not too fast or else you might just completely miss the mark. Also, more on your work itself. Look into her neck and its size relative to her shoulders.

[Anonymous No.1760736]

>>1760732
I was just looking at that; her head seems a bit too large too. thanks about the arms; I don't have a refference or anything on this so I'm going to have top take an awkward picture or two heh.

[Anonymous No.1760746]

I'm trying to make art a summer hobby. This is my first time drawing since High School. I have a stack of pencils and a copy of right brain next to me. Gonna start reading it soon.

[Anonymous No.1760759]

>>1760746
be care of the structure and the angle of the lines.
You are not use to draw in that angle. So you are drawing it with imagination.
More loomis
more oservation

[Anonymous No.1760763]

hope some people are on the thread still.
anyway i quit drawing for couple months(school grades were shit), decided now i wanted to finish the fun with a pencil book. just gonna post some things looking for some good CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Well the first one here is on page 74 of Loomis Fun With A Pencil (didnt draw the kid didn't have time). Criticism from myself is
>head not big enough
>his left arm should b more tilted upwards and shorter
>the bottom end of the coat with the v is too large, the v shape is to small
>his right arm should be shorter and his hand should be smaller
>his left leg is to wide
>his right leg is to pointed out wards
>shoes dont touch like in picture
I feel like i can get most of it but just want to see what you anons think

[Anonymous No.1760764]

>>1760763
woops totally forgot picture im a fukn derp right now at 2:39 am

[Anonymous No.1760796]

>>1760712
Last set before bed - my desk looks like a cartoon, I should work on that...

Good times drawing tonight :)

[Anonymous No.1760798]

>>1760717
Did you photograph at an angle? Because the Head looks kinda smooshed. Maybe add some tubes to the lines, can't tell what direction the drawing is headed

[Anonymous No.1760803]

>>1760764
Not sure what the reference photo is, but it is cartoony enough to mask any misproportions, maybe don't do a literal copy pasta of the cartoon, then you might miss the forest from within the trees. Pick the elements that you like, and stitch them to the basic figure pose.

I am just a beginner so digest my comments with a grain of salt

[Anonymous No.1760827]

>>1760803
i did full construction in loomis method to get there no trace or anything, the reference photo as i said in the earlier post was on the book Fun With A Pencil by Loomis, page 74.

[Anonymous No.1760834]

>>1760803
also im guessing since you here and you dont recognize the style that you didnt read the sticky which i recommend you do

[Anonymous No.1761069]

Drew an old Eon-character from my roleplaying days, I think I am improving.

[Anonymous No.1761131]

>>1757145
I'd say they're all fucked up, the top left looks like it's almost good, but the top face is thinner than the bottom. 3rd in from the left on the middle row looks pretty good to me if slightly off on the left side face, uhm other than that, bottom left looks pretty good, save for the pretty shitty lines overall.
How'd I do guys? Never tried this before and I'm beginner as fuck in drawing

[Anonymous No.1761159]

>>1759708
thanks! Which settings would you use for printing them? A dimensions, colors, quality, etc... I don't mind spend money, but quality printings are really expensive.

[Anonymous No.1761164]

>>1760614
I'd say work smart, not hard. I just do 3-4 pages per day since I have not too much time and it works for me

[Anonymous No.1761279]

>>1760717
It's a stick figure. Cannot tell you if you can draw the figure over that, only you know if you can. That's the problem with critiquing construction, we all have our own ways.
But what I can tell you, is that you seem to be strugling to to get the construction down. Make the construction lighter, and looser. Add mass and form to it, not just lines. This is not geisture drawing, unless you're using it as a pose capturing method, but still your lines are way too heavy.

I like to add the major masses in costruction, chest, stomach, head and bottom (easier to "plant" sitting models, which is what you have done). And sculpt the figure from these masses, they need not to be of accurate sizes, placement and angle is the key. When you start to cut them, you need to be careful to get them to right proportions, or you'll end up with a sorry excuse of a drawing, like I did with my "example". The trick here is to get over the fear of "blank canvas", just get something there and just fix it if it's not good. Now it seems like you try to make perfect drawing, when you're just sketching the base for the figure.

Here's a quick sketch what I mean, it's not even close to your reference, but I hope it shows what I mean by building with mass. My construction is quite sloppy, so please try to bear with it.

[Anonymous No.1761363]

Can I humbly request that redlining thing you people like to do so much? The perspective (and odd posture) of the legs as well as the folds in the shirt are fucking me up. I totally overreached, but I just want to finish something for once, so I'm asking for some help. Try to disimagine shading, I don't wanna touch shading until I figured out drawing contours.
If you are going to redline it, be prepared for me to ask you why all the lines are where they are like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.1761373]

>>1761363
Just out of curiousity, did you only use construction for the head?

[Anonymous No.1761376]

>>1761069

I'll add my "orc" I did also. The chainmail was a bitch and doesn't really look like chainmail, but that's learning.

[Anonymous No.1761379]

>>1761373
I did the pose from reference - I needed construction lines for the head because the reference pictures don't have enormous animu-bubbleheads in them. I tried without them, but the tilt really fucked me up.

[Anonymous No.1761383]

>>1761379
Even when drawing from reference you should always construct the figure and/or get the gesture down. Eventually you'll be able to do that in your head but at first you need to burn it into your brain. Drawing contours isn't useful post-right side of the brain by edwards

[Anonymous No.1761386]

>>1761383
Not him but: Yeees, because not 96% of drawing animushit is contour. Wait! On second thought, it is. Fuck me.

[Anonymous No.1761394]

>>1761386
Sometimes I don't know why I bother

[Anonymous No.1761401]

>>1761394
With what? Spewing buzzwords in the beginner thread you graduated from last week? Then I don't know either.

As someone who isn't familiar with 4chan culture and has only glazed over the thread, a lot of the posts in here are somewhere inbetween "no help at all" and "following this advice will actually make the guy being advised become worse/progress less quickly". It's a real shame.

[Anonymous No.1761402]

Deer man pose thing
???

[Anonymous No.1761403]

Deer man pose sketch thing
???

[Anonymous No.1761428]

Is drawing "lomins" a good practise, and why?

[Anonymous No.1761438]

>>1761401
the responses you will get in this thread
>loomis
>Moar loomis
>needs loomis
>animushit
>(something helpful) and loomis
I think thats a HUGE problem on /ic/ people just spout loomis without anything else constructive; loomis isn't that fucking helpful either if its more than a handful of things wrong with the drawing.

[Anonymous No.1761468]

I am an absolute beginner when it comes to drawing and I want to learn, where do I start?

[Anonymous No.1761494]

>>1761468
The sticky

[Anonymous No.1761553]

Do I really need to start out drawing fucking cartoon faces?

[Anonymous No.1761566]

>>1761553
The point isn't to draw potato heads, it's to learn how to "build" your drawings out of different shapes. There's more contemporary resources out there but the principles are gonna be the exact same.

[Anonymous No.1761620]

>>1761566
Eh. I guess this was kind of fun.

[Anonymous No.1761668]

>purposely crutching yourself to seem cool
enjoy your output suffering when you don't use it.

[Anonymous No.1761669]

New thread?

[Anonymous No.1761697]

>>1761668
Who are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.1761751]

Is anyone still here?

[Anonymous No.1761762]

>>1761751
Yah let's make a new thread

[Anonymous No.1761767]

>>1761279
I really appreciate your advice. This is what the figure looks like with more than a simple stick figure. I'm aware my lines are pretty fucking dark and its completely unnecessary I'm trying to teach myself that it's alright to keep it smooth and light. I picked up the pdf of Drawing with the Right Side of your Brain and I'm gonna give that a read as well as loomis. I'm ready to get better.

[Anonymous No.1761796]

>>1761767
Guy who made this here. Should I be focusing more on the motion of the figure rather than the contour. Maybe I'm just over thinking the contour

[Anonymous No.1761986]

New thread >>1761985

[Anonymous No.1762908]

>>1758640
Your expressions are really funny, but you should probably start focusing on proportions and fundamentals and all that good stuff. Read the sticky.

On a personal note, I think your drawings are really funny, though I hope once you start publishing comics for real in a few years there won't be so many racist jokes.

[Anonymous No.1762963]

Im new a shit, I want to learn but I really hate Loomis, I dont like the Western Cartoonic look