Animu/Mango Thread

[Anonymous No.1438123]

Previous Thread >>1435091

-Offer drawings for critique
-Share resources suited to stylization
-General discussion
-Eeeeh?!

[Anonymous No.1438132]

Self-aware malignancy, gotta love it

[Anonymous No.1438134]

Trying to study Hideo Minaba's style right now

>Share resources suited to stylization

would help greatly

[Anonymous No.1438135]

>>1438123

instant "hide thread" click detected

[Anonymous No.1438137]

>>1438135
simply epik

[Anonymous No.1438146]

>>1438134
Is there a gallery of his work you could link to?

[Anonymous No.1438147]

>>1437696

[Anonymous No.1438150]

Teal guy do you have a website or blog or something?

[Anonymous No.1438151]

>>1438150
>maybe if i ask everytime he posts...

[Anonymous No.1438153]

>>1438147
Dear Teal, I have a question. In some of your critiques you mentioned certain aspects of the composition having certain meanings. Like: if there is too much space between two characters, it gives of a vibe of tension, also hands being hidden gives the impression that the character has something to hide or is dishonest. So I was wondering, is there a recourse like a book or a site you could recommend on this subject? Or do things like this come with experience and gathering little bits of knowledge here and there?

[Anonymous No.1438154]

>>1438151
First time asking, or posting an anime/mangay thread.

[Anonymous No.1438159]

>>1438150
>>1438154
Everyone asks. He doesn't seem to want people to know.
http://imgur.com/a/8eHzD/noscript
Here's the collection of his posts.

[Anonymous No.1438161]

>>1438153

The concept of personal space and body language can be derived from life drawing, or some basic study in psychology/sociology, or acting.

Keep in mind that art is cross-disciplinary. The architectural designer needs to know something about building. The roboticist needs to know biomechanics. The comic artist needs to know storytelling and acting.

[Anonymous No.1438167]

>>1438132
Cancer Magnet Thread Activated

[Anonymous No.1438170]

>>1438167
isn't it better to have it confined within one part of the body, instead of having it spread out infecting everything and killing it?

[Anonymous No.1438171]

>>1438170
yes, this is a good thing

[Anonymous No.1438179]

[Anonymous No.1438183]

>>1438179
10/10

[Anonymous No.1438186]

>>1438153

Making Comics by Scott McCloud has a chapter that goes over that.
Their is a lot of interesting stuff in their as well so it's defiantly worth checking out.

[Anonymous No.1438188]

Are there any good references for joint structures?

[Anonymous No.1438192]

If anyone's interested:
http://chat.pixiv.net/roomtop.php?id=540857

Just trying to go over anatomy...

[Anonymous No.1438194]

>>1438186
>Scott McCloud

Isn't that the original inventor of B^U

[Anonymous No.1438196]

>>1438188
va va va vilppu

[Anonymous No.1438220]

>>1438134

Isn't that Yoshida tho

[Anonymous No.1438240]

>>1438220
It is.

Minaba sometimes does Yoshida-esque art in the vein of his old Tactics stuff though I think.

[Anonymous No.1438255]

>>1438240

Yeah he does. I just really like the art style for the ivalice stuff.

[Anonymous No.1438306]

I found this interesting artist on drawr: http://drawr.net/show.php?id=4842922 (click on the images to view the process)

It seems like he doesn't have any construction at all and just uses line while drawing in all the detail.
How is this possible?

I've seen other japanese artist use a similar method, it just strikes me as weird when listening to guys like Feng who's saying all this >drawing without construction is stupid
etc.

[Anonymous No.1438307]

>>1438306
i think that works for them since they have years of practice and experience, while us have to compensate that with technique.
Maybe what i'm saying is stupid.

[Anonymous No.1438311]

>>1438307
Yeah, I think it must be something along those lines, but what if I decided to spend years practicing using construction, then I couldn't just say "screw it I'll draw in details from now on" and do it successfully could I?

[Anonymous No.1438312]

>>1438306
Hm. Whatever works for them. They probably just know their construction shit well enough that they can doodle away without constructing first.

[Anonymous No.1438315]

>>1438306

Pros tend to envision their guidelines instead of drawing them.

[Anonymous No.1438316]

>>1438306
nips are weird like that. i'd guess it has to do with how they're taught to write their moonrunes in perfect proportion to a standard.

i remember seeing a video from studio mir that had something similar, animators just chugging through contours in perfect proportion, no construction lines, hands like fuckin surgeons.

but look how horribly inefficient the artist you linked is, he redoes every line at least 3 or 4 times and then ends up erasing it a few minutes later. ends up looking mostly okay but you can tell he's just copying a style.

[Anonymous No.1438318]

>>1438316
Hm, yeah you've got a point
>i remember seeing a video from studio mir that had something similar, animators just chugging through contours in perfect proportion, no construction lines, hands like fuckin surgeons.
And yes that is kinda funny since when you look at a western animator like Glen Keane, you see him spamming lines everywhere on the paper.

[Anonymous No.1438321]

>>1438316
>nips are weird like that
No, Boulet does it too, and he's french.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vLRmxduWak

[Anonymous No.1438325]

>>1438321
well to be fair, the french are pretty much the biggest weeaboos in the world.
They're even getting their own animu

[Anonymous No.1438327]

>>1438315
This right here.

>>1438306
>it just strikes me as weird when listening to guys like Feng who's saying all this >drawing without construction is stupid
etc.
Generally, the people who wonder if they really need construction or not are the ones that need it. If you have to ask, chances are you're still learning and construction necessary as you haven't internalized it yet. Once you're proficient, it mostly comes down to personal preference.

[Anonymous No.1438328]

>>1438325
They won't. Ladybug will be a CG series.

[Anonymous No.1438334]

>>1438327
N-No I do use a lot of construction already, I dunno if I'm good enough though, but I'm just wondering if there's a more efficient way to learn and draw.

[Anonymous No.1438337]

>>1438321
if you have to ask why people don't use construction in pen and ink drawings...

[Anonymous No.1438344]

>>1438306
>http://drawr.net/show.php?id=4842922
man, it is painful to watch

[Anonymous No.1438346]

>>1438306
>It seems like he doesn't have any construction at all and just uses line while drawing in all the detail.
>How is this possible?

This is in some ways misleading. Do not think of this as an argument against construction.

Construction is about putting down ideas and clarifying them. Ultimately, construction cannot compensate for a sense of balance if one does not have it, not does it improve line work if one is a poor draughtsman.

An artist who already has a clear idea of what he wishes to draw, and has vast experience drawing it, can do so without construction. Animators and comic artists must draw quickly and efficiently, so they'll skip the construction if it's something they're familiar with already. When designing a new character, or tackling a complex scene, or drawing a new pose, the lines will become sketchier and construction will be used.

[Anonymous No.1438347]

>>1438344
you can speed it up with the little thing on the top right

[Anonymous No.1438349]

>>1438321
checkmate, atheists.

[Anonymous No.1438350]

>>1438334
learn anatomy and realism. If you know the forms of features and limbs in real life they then become much more easy to exaggerate. Also learn to think AROUND your figures. think about them as if they were 3D models as opposed to 2D images.

[Anonymous No.1438355]

>>1438350
Yeah I guess I do need to study up some more anatomy, I've recently only focused on gesture and putting energy into my figures.

[Anonymous No.1438358]

>>1438334
you still didnt answer my question brah

[Anonymous No.1438360]

>>1438358
Wait what question?

[Anonymous No.1438361]

>>1438360
Does Teal work for Trigger?

[Anonymous No.1438362]

>>1438355
yeah like with that torso on the left, it doesn't really feel like it has any dimension and looks flat.

[Anonymous No.1438363]

>>1438361
Rumors says he has connections around SHAFT and Kyoani, but he may work undercover for Trigger.

[Anonymous No.1438364]

>>1438361
i heard he IS trigger.

[Anonymous No.1438365]

>>1438147
Teal why are you so great? Thanks for the help and everyone else that gave me critique

[Anonymous No.1438367]

>>1438363

Is he SHAFT's foot drawer?

[Anonymous No.1438374]

>>1438362
Oh that's just cause it's the gesture, when I go into further detail I tend to draw more detailed 'correct' anatomy and stuff
Fast doodle

[Anonymous No.1438376]

>>1438363
>>1438367
>>1438364

/ic/ pls

[Anonymous No.1438377]

>>1438196
vilppu is my husbando

[Anonymous No.1438378]

>>1438374

You need to start working on a more advanced form of gestures like Vilppu/Hampton. That's what's really gonna help you draw more fleshed out characters from the start. The more fluid your gestures are the more life they'll have from the start. Pic related are 5 minute sketches where you can clearly see very advanced levels of gesture at work under the hood.

As someone obsessed with gesture images of this level are like porn for me.

[Anonymous No.1438380]

>>1438378
>5min
i couldn't even draw shit like this if i took a week for one.

Maybe i will know how in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.1438381]

>>1438363
I hardly think he works for any animation company, probably just a cool dude who likes to draw.

[Anonymous No.1438382]

>>1438380
Not him, but with that kind of thinking you won't. If it takes you a week the first time, then it takes a week. It will progressively get faster the more you practice it. You need to learn how to crawl before you need walk after all.

[Anonymous No.1438383]

>>1438363
who gives a flying fuck you dumb shits he's here to help so stfu and draw

[Anonymous No.1438384]

>>1438255
>>1438134

yoshida is boss

[Anonymous No.1438386]

>>1438378
Woah, yeah I definitely agree, those are awesome!
What really turns me on in terms of drawings and figures are this highly exaggerated perspective and movement. Something eastern artists seem to capture really well

[Anonymous No.1438387]

>>1438382
I just draw slow no matter how much i practice. I doubt it i can even learn it. I will just draw some shitty animu for myself.

[Anonymous No.1438390]

Do we know why Teal puts so much time and effort into helping us here?

[Anonymous No.1438392]

>>1438386
Me too, I always end up drawing stuff really close to the foreground just to make it look cool.

[Anonymous No.1438393]

>>1438390

Teaching others helps oneself understand the material better. It helps test one's knowledge.

[Anonymous No.1438394]

>>1438390
I would beg to ask, would it matter?
He's an artist sharing his knowledge and skills to those he deems worthy (or whatever reason he has). What more could we ask for?

[Anonymous No.1438395]

>>1438390
Because if you're as pro as teal, pointing out and correcting mistakes, isn't all that hard and time consuming.

I highly doubt he spends hours correcting people from /ic/.

Also teaching other people helps you understand your own work better.

[Anonymous No.1438396]

>>1438393
This.

I used to tutor at my trade school and I know this for a fact.

[Anonymous No.1438397]

>>1438394

It's not about that. I'm glad he's here.
It just baffles me that someone would dedicate so much time to this shithole

[Anonymous No.1438398]

>>1438390
Teaching is a good way to learn too, so i'm guessing he does it for himself as much as for us. Maybe.
Could we maybe stop focusing so much about him? It really takes a lot of meaningless space in threads just talking in general about him.

[Anonymous No.1438400]

>>1438380
yeah you can easily, because you have ref right in front of you. they also look plenty exaggerated, so proportions are not even exact. with practice you'll be able to do those in 5min each, but at the end of the day, it's just an exercise done from reference, nothing to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.1438402]

>>1438390

Maybe because he's a nice guy unlike the majority of bitter jaded fucks on here? It's refreshing.

Maybe he wants to give at least one person enough motivation to improve and surpass him?

[Anonymous No.1438403]

>>1438383
nice autism there, bro.

[Anonymous No.1438404]

>>1438334

Construction is basically used to ensure you're placing your lines correctly. If you already have a good idea where your lines need to go, you can skip the construction step to work more efficiently. You will still have to think about the figure in your brain, you just won't be drawing it out on canvas.

[Anonymous No.1438405]

>>1438387
Honestly, you're limiting and doubting yourself too much. If you put in the time and effort, you can start drawing faster. Do 30-60 sec gestures (posemaniacs) and/or draw from life. Those force you to draw fast. You should augment those by studying Vilppu alongside the gesture/life drawings. That's my take though, cause that's how it worked for me.

[Anonymous No.1438406]

>>1438400
Still It's probably few years of practice for me to even copy this from ref.

[Anonymous No.1438409]

>>1438405
I did like 1k of those quick gestures and just stopped. It didn't help with anything. I will start it when i get better. Maybe.

[Anonymous No.1438410]

>>1438378
delicious gesture
the lifeblood of figure drawing

[Anonymous No.1438414]

>>1438409
to be honest i think a lot of people have the wrong idea about gesture on this board. they get too caught up in the specifics of how hampton or vilppu execute them and try to mimic their specific style instead of focusing on what gesture is truly about.

all gesture is supposed to accomplish is a basic composition of the figure, using curves to lead the eye and indicating motion with long lines of action, while maybe suggesting a little form here and there.

i also don't get why such a big deal is made about time.

[Anonymous No.1438415]

>>1438409
If you aren't willing to learn, you won't get better. Nobody can teach you until you learn to listen.

[Anonymous No.1438416]

>>1438390
Because Teal is the hero /a/ didn't deserve, but is nonetheless here.

[Anonymous No.1438421]

>>1438380
that's why every life drawing class has timed poses

10/30secs
1/2min
3/5min
10/15min
25/30min
1hour+

The more you practice getting the important information in the better you'll get.

[Anonymous No.1438423]

>>1438414
I don't really know what gesture should be. People tend to say different things about it. But in the end it's how good and fast can someone draw things from reference. So for people you need to have good knowledge of anatomy, for other things forms and perspective. Dunno whats the point is for beginner to draw some quick crap million times.

[Anonymous No.1438425]

>>1438406

Dude, the more down you are on yourself the more it's going to interfere with your learning. Here's that very same artist's deviantart scraps:

>http://dangerousllama.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=scraps&offset=72

Look at his progress. The fact that he was shit like the rest of us were when we started should be encouraging.

[Anonymous No.1438426]

>>1438423

I don't think it's about drawing things from reference, that would be one's observational skills. Gesture is about capturing movement. The reason why most exercises are timed is so you don't worry about every detail and just focus on getting the essence of a pose.

[Anonymous No.1438427]

>>1438159
As a somewhat interested in going commercial artist. I'd hate to have any association with this site at all. Even if I was creating smut.

[Anonymous No.1438431]

>>1438427
katawa shoujo did pretty well.

>implying you'll ever be good enough to regret having come here.

[Anonymous No.1438434]

>>1438426
If you draw shit perfectly then you capture movement. And with broken legs and shit anatomy there is no movement at all. Also there are gestures for different things that don't move, not only people.

[Anonymous No.1438435]

>>1438431
Katawa Shoujo barely had any relation to 4chan outside of the few initial threads that started it. It's not like the whole project was done here.

[Anonymous No.1438436]

>>1438427
I can assure you that clients could care less about you posting on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1438438]

>>1438159

What if it's just Sycra trying to fuck with us

[Anonymous No.1438440]

What happened to that guy that seemed to figure out who Teal was?

[Anonymous No.1438443]

>>1438438
Then let him fuck with us. His presence is great.

>>1438440
All whistle-blowers gotta die sometime, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1438445]

>>1438436

Pretty much

Just ask all the other famous people that have been here

[Anonymous No.1438448]

>>1438363
He is a she with a webcomic, and some loli/shota commissions under the belt

[Anonymous No.1438452]

>>1438448
>He is a she
NO WAY

[Anonymous No.1438453]

>>1438436
Another reason to avoid it is just the horrid snarking that goes around. And that in just 1 sec of reading what people say about you, you'll need a box of kleenex and a gun. Then again thicker skin development could cure that.

[Anonymous No.1438454]

>>1438448
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.1438458]

>>1438435
>4 leaf studios
seemed like that was kind of a selling point.

[Anonymous No.1438460]

>>1438443
>tfw dat loli is more masculine than i am.

[Anonymous No.1438466]

>>1438443
How many years does it take to reach that level?

[Anonymous No.1438467]

>>1438440
i'm pretty sure i know who teal is now but i won't expose his identity

>>1438438
he's definitely not sycra

[Anonymous No.1438468]

>sycra
there's literally no resemblance

[Anonymous No.1438470]

It's funny how many people are obsessed with identity on an anonymous imageboard.

[Anonymous No.1438471]

>>1438470
We want to see some of his finished works.

[Anonymous No.1438473]

>>1438466
To be honest, I have no idea. I'm just another jealous, mediocre artist working my way to perfection one damn drawing at a time.

If you want more of his works, use the tags tora_jun on safe / gel / danbooru. You'll find him right quick.

Though, I'll throw this out there: Time is relative. Someone's "2 years of work" could be another man's "five months of work" to achieve the same goal. Just practice. ... Just... practice. Jesus I'm getting real tired of hearing that, but more and more I think it's true.

[Anonymous No.1438476]

>>1438467
Come on, give a hint then.

[Anonymous No.1438477]

>>1438473

Second. it's not really about time, so much as it is being able to get from point A to point B and everything in between.

But the twist is you never reach point B

[Anonymous No.1438481]

>>1438466

Everyone learns at a difference pace or absorbs material differently. On average it takes about two years to get the fundamentals down, but depending on how often you practice it could vary greatly.

[Anonymous No.1438483]

>>1438434

Any examples for gestures done for immobile objects? Rather curious.

[Anonymous No.1438484]

>>1438481
>On average it takes about two years to get the fundamentals down
define 'down'
two years seems like a pretty ass-pulled number. and an inaccurate one at that.

[Anonymous No.1438487]

>>1438483
I seen people calling almost everything gestures. Like you can draw quick gesture of your phone, or a hand. And then you build on this.

[Anonymous No.1438489]

Sigh...every time I see this thread and see other people's work I get so impatient, I am still in fundamentals with Loomis and I want to get back to drawing Animu so bad.

I've been trying to draw real faces and to no surprise am having a very difficult time avoiding symbol drawing. I hope that someday I would be as good as Teal :3 I love you Teal line guy.

>Stop drawing Animu they said
>Draw realism they say
>Quit drawing the same exact thing over and over they told me

I really can't explain this either, but it does seem like I am drawing the same thing...even though they've all been from different references it looks the same except for maybe different angles and such. I don't know maybe I've been subconsciously selecting specific references that fit my comfort zone :3

Well...here is my latest turd, started all over though I threw this one away.

[Anonymous No.1438490]

>>1438484

I'm guessing he means a solid foundational understanding

Like you would be able to draw a figure from your head in detail from scratch

[Anonymous No.1438492]

>>1438476
goes by the name
ヌンヤビザネス

[Anonymous No.1438493]

>>1438484

I'd say to have a good comprehension on them, but not necessarily master. Again, how many years someone must take to get "good" really depends on the individual.

[Anonymous No.1438496]

>>1438487

Makes sense, thanks. Guess I've only thought about gesture in terms of the figure.

[Anonymous No.1438497]

>>1438489

[Anonymous No.1438498]

>>1438425
He has used 8 years becoming good though

[Anonymous No.1438501]

>>1438497
lol'd

I personally prefer the guy on the right.

[Anonymous No.1438502]

>>1438477

Dang. I actually never thought about it that way. Everything is clear now.

[Anonymous No.1438503]

>>1438502
It's a wonderful way of thinking about it, isn't it?

Keep your head up, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1438504]

>>1438425
I'm not even at his shit level.

[Anonymous No.1438505]

>>1438503
Bet those drawings take him 10 min. Everyone can draw so fast.

[Anonymous No.1438506]

>>1438504
what are you doing on 4chan
get to work

[Anonymous No.1438508]

>>1438506
I am. Trying to finish some shit take should take half hour for someone not retarded but it takes me days.

[Anonymous No.1438510]

>>1438492
Come on, don't be a fag.

[Anonymous No.1438511]

>>1438508
It took me days to draw a figure, Anon but just recently I've been finding myself to get faster at things it'll come just be patient with yourself.

I think the hardest thing for me right now is seeing everyone else drawing glorious Animu because I want to get there NOW. Well back to drawing.

[Anonymous No.1438512]

>>1438505

Speed comes with experience. It is also important to have a reliable method or process to ensure you make as few mistakes as possible. The more knowledge you have, the less you need to rely on trial and error.

[Anonymous No.1438515]

>tfw when you will never reach pixiv pro level
I could swear asians start with higher drawing stats. I want to reroll race.

[Anonymous No.1438518]

>>1438515

The Japanese do learn about the fundamentals of drawing at an earlier age compared to the West. While they do have a head-start, you'll learn the same concepts they did in the end.

[Anonymous No.1438519]

>>1438515
are you kidding me 90% of the pixiv shit i see is aweful...

unless i'm looking in the wrong place? it's just a yellow deviantart

[Anonymous No.1438522]

>>1438519

Pixiv definitely isn't exempt from poor artists. Just that because of the community, their front page tends to have better stuff compared to the rainbow wolves on deviantart.

[Anonymous No.1438526]

>>1438518
Yeah. They have many good books about drawing too. I wish there was at least one book about SAI or MS coloring techniques in english. I seen some in japanese but sometimes its hard to figure what they do just from images.

[Anonymous No.1438528]

>>1438526
sai coloring techniques?

don't mean to be rude, but these computer programs are meant to mimic traditional painting mediums.

the amazing thing about said is just it's line art and how low on the cpu resources it is compared to other progs.

[Anonymous No.1438533]

>>1438448
>He is a she
I guess I can be a lesbian, then.

[Anonymous No.1438534]

>>1438448
His deviantart doesn't say anything about a webcomic, though.

In fact it doesn't really say much about him at all, besides the shows he likes.

[Anonymous No.1438535]

>>1438123
I've been trying practicing with figures, and while I can copy what I see, I have a hard time uunderstanding the forms. I've been trying to break the figure into forms instead of shapes, but I'm having a hard time at that.

[Anonymous No.1438536]

>>1438535
>>1438535
This.

[Anonymous No.1438538]

>>1438535

Wrapping lines

Cross contours

Hampton/Vilppu

Perspective and 3d shapes until you want to drown a baby

[Anonymous No.1438542]

>>1438489
Well at least her eyes are not sucking the very basis of my existence with their emptiness.

[Anonymous No.1438543]

Drawing a cat.
Before I delve into working on the line art I'd like get some quick feedback.

[Anonymous No.1438545]

>>1438543

Head appears detached from body.

[Anonymous No.1438546]

>>1438543
I think you should study cat anatomy a little. If you're not going to be drawing cats ALL THE TIME, you might just want to use more references.

[Anonymous No.1438547]

>>1438306


I watched the first one and it was painfully boring, he used the undo button a million times and the end result wasn't that great imo

now look at this french smug artist in comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWaTn71JLNc

[Anonymous No.1438548]

>>1438545
What should I do?

[Anonymous No.1438550]

>>1438548
Just select it and move it down and left

[Anonymous No.1438551]

>>1438534
>Not giving the link

fucking d/ic/ks...

[Anonymous No.1438552]

>>1438543
Draw more like this guy.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVYu1wbCtBo

[Anonymous No.1438556]

>>1438551
Teal would give it out if he wanted it given out. I'm just respecting his wishes.

[Anonymous No.1438559]

>>1438552

How is this guy drawing with no guides??

[Anonymous No.1438560]

First time post.
>Fuck this
>Fuck that
>Fuck everything
I just wanted to do the face :/

[Anonymous No.1438561]

>>1438552
Jesus, I met Mark Crilley once.
He's such a chill guy.

[Anonymous No.1438564]

>>1438561
Mark Crilley is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I really wish Dark Horse didn't hold back his abilities so much. He, unlike most youtube artists/ western artists that do "How to draw manga" he actually knows how to draw.

[Anonymous No.1438569]

>>1438564
>>1438561

He seems like it. Even went to the same school as my mom.

iirc he has a book on technique out, is it any good?

[Anonymous No.1438577]

>Making a thread for something you can learn in a week

[Anonymous No.1438578]

>>1438559

He actually did use guides at the beginning when he drew outlines for the main features. If you're wondering why he didn't require construction, it's because drawing from life is more focused on being able to copy what you see than building the figure.

[Anonymous No.1438583]

>>1438552
I'd really rather not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JySBAHUplY&list=SPCD2CF65888663986&index=9

[Anonymous No.1438585]

>>1438578
>drawing from life is more focused on being able to copy what you see than building the figure.
you fool!

[Anonymous No.1438587]

>>1438564
I read from a interview that he used to live in
Hong Kong and latter moved to Japan before
moving back to the states... While in Asia he
learned about manga and published some works
over there. Maybe he is better than the other
western "manga" artist because he learned
stuff directly from japan...

[Anonymous No.1438589]

>>1438583
But you really do.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpwEHXcDZFQ

[Anonymous No.1438594]

>>1438587

Nah, a lot of their stuff isn't that good either.

Pretty sure it's because he came from a background of extensive life/anatomy drawing and had a strict mentor.

[Anonymous No.1438596]

>>1438589
He has okay rendering skills with a pencil and can copy proportions from a photo. His anime is extremely mediocre.

[Anonymous No.1438620]

Last update before inking. After following everyone's advice on foreshortening (including hip placement) and use of force, I think the it turned out pretty good. If there's anything else, I'll use it for future reference.

[Anonymous No.1438623]

>>1438620
Dang it, I noticed a huge mistake after looking at it at a distance. Placement of the right leg is still off, so please disregard that.

[Anonymous No.1438628]

>>1438620
I would move the position of the torso just a bit further to push the foreshortening.

[Anonymous No.1438638]

my brain a shit
also wondering if the wiener on the left is recognizable despite being drawn in my weird pseudo-keane style.

[Anonymous No.1438639]

>>1438416
>Because Teal is the hero /a/ didn't deserve
hah

[Anonymous No.1438640]

>>1438638
Left looks like Kyoko, if that's what you mean.

[Anonymous No.1438642]

>>1438638

Looks Kyoko enough for me.

[Anonymous No.1438644]

>>1438638
Is that a fucking tomato?

[Anonymous No.1438648]

>>1438638
>fluid
>stiff

This shit right here. I've been trying to get more fluid cartoons but they all end up stiff.

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.1438649]

>>1438560

>>1437925

[Anonymous No.1438659]

>>1438648
a big component of it is psychological.
the thing that i've noticed is that when i'm mindlessly doodling shit, everything feels very fluid and gestural.
but once i sat down and was like, "i'm going to draw toshinou kyouku", i started feeling like there were stakes and that i couldn't mess up or start over. i don't know quite how to explain it, but the tension works its way into your drawing and you end with something stiff.

[Anonymous No.1438662]

>>1438659
Anon.
I really like your sketching method. Clean, fluid, curvy, dimensional.
Helped remind me of how shit I still am.
Fuck you.
But thank you.

pic related, but not mine

[Anonymous No.1438666]

>>1438659
>dat spiderman
so you do the same as me heh

[Anonymous No.1438669]

>>1438662
i wish i could be more informative, but i don't have teal's way with words.
just create an environment where you can make loose, intuitive connections. you're not always in control, but it's never really autonomous.
sketch lightly.

>>1438666
he's my hero but that thing has a tit.

[Anonymous No.1438685]

>>1438648
check out vllippu's video "Gesture drawing"

[Anonymous No.1438686]

>>1438638

Like I told you a couple of threads ago the best way for you to get a handle on this is to draw from references. Find an animator's character sheets if possible or just find several images in different angles. Make note of exactly how facial features are handled as that's going to determine the likeness more than anything else.

Compared to last time though this is a good improvement, I like where you're at now to be perfectly honest, you've reached an attractive medium. I'd rather see where you go from here instead of going for a more generic look (even though you mentioned that's what you're aiming for). However as far as likeness goes the only thing that would make me guess it's Kyoko at this point is the bow and the uniform, nothing about the face says it at all right now.

Your main problem in that regard are the eyes as that anime has a fairly distinct way of doing them that I've seen recently. The irises are wider ellipses than usual and as a result take up more of the eye's space (you barely see any white) and eye eyelash perks up at the side. The highlights on them are also pretty simple, one fat ellipse overlapping a small one. Generally for the style, you're really off right now. You need to arc that upper lid/lashes rather than enclose the eye and taper them at one end. The nose is barely there also, it's just a tiny dot and sometimes completely omitted. And finally the mouth, like in most anime is a simple line that's sometimes broken in the middle to imply the lips pressing against each other. Also, generally speaking you need to push for more locks of hair as well, currently you're pretty reserved with them.

[Anonymous No.1438786]

>>1438686
>Yuru Yuri
>facial features
>implying it's not all sameface and characters are made distinct mostly through their hair

[Anonymous No.1438805]

>>1438620
>If there's anything else, I'll use it for future reference.
Stop giving EME money.

[Anonymous No.1438845]

>>1438306
i've been telling you people: animu and cartoons heavily rely on negative space.
-KNOW your proportions
-know your style

and the rest is mental work about putting your knowledge and skill together.
the fundamentals are always the same but the process is very different with dynamic line drawings. don't heavily construct all the fucking time, just draw freely. only construct to figure out distances you can't figure out without constructing. constructing shouldn't be the standard.

[Anonymous No.1438849]

>>1438845
cont

even people like loomis can sketch out a face and body without constructing. and they can do various angles too, just like most cartoonists and artists.
just focus on UNDERSTANDING the subject you are drawing.
like i said before, get as many proportions and measurements into your head as possible, and use negative space as a guideline to make you remember how something is supposed to look like.

when someone experienced tries to draw a hand in a weird angle what are they thinking about?
they will think about:
-how a hand looks from the front (contour, measurements)
-the contour of a hand in a similar angle as the one they are trying to draw
-let their head figure out the rest and put it all together.

[Anonymous No.1438857]

>>1438786
is that why images like this are disconcerting?

[Anonymous No.1438859]

>>1438857
>dat rei

[Anonymous No.1438864]

>>1438686
thank you
it's true that where i'm at right now isn't the worst place in the world, but i will keep all of these points in mind so since i do want to at least have the ability to draw in a more generic anime style, as stupid as that sounds.
what i'd really like to start focusing on even more than that is getting more expressiveness in my faces, since they all tend to be rather drab/bored.

[Anonymous No.1438866]

>>1438845
>>1438849

Considering the high post-to-pics ratio of the thread, why don't you show us your technique with some demo drawings?

[Anonymous No.1438868]

>>1438648

WE'VE GOT US A MAP
TO LEAD US TO A HIDDEN BOX

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/7409774/Vilppu_Studio._(Anatomy__Drawing_Manual__Head_Anatomy_and_Constr

[Anonymous No.1438871]

>>1438868
the most highly recommended video tutorials since sliced bread (???)
i owe a lot to vilppu.

[Anonymous No.1438895]

>>1438638
That looks Disney art.

[Anonymous No.1438901]

>>1438895
hence "pseudo-keane" as in glen keane.
thank you if this was meant as a compliment.

[Anonymous No.1438905]

>>1438868

PRECIOUS BOOTY

[Anonymous No.1438914]

Can baka gaijin become mangaka?

You have no futures as mango artists.

[Anonymous No.1438917]

>>1438914

DA HOOTCH

[Anonymous No.1438921]

>>1438914
That's not true, there's several gaijins who became mangoko artistos

[Anonymous No.1438929]

>>1438921
Like who? Because I've never heard of these people.

[Anonymous No.1438932]

>>1438929

Like this guy

>>1438552

[Anonymous No.1438934]

>>1438932
n.. no

[Anonymous No.1438948]

>>1438857
I'm sad

[Anonymous No.1438956]

>>1438948
You didn't -really- expect him to draw the same thing flipped when he could just mirror it, did you?

[Anonymous No.1438966]

>>1438956
>same thing
thats the real problem

[Anonymous No.1438970]

>>1438966
>>1438948

it was lazy but i don't think we're in any position to criticize. it just doesn't serve any purpose.

[Anonymous No.1439009]

>>1438786

I was referring to the way features are handled for that anime not that specific character, obviously you'll have a lot of characters with sameface within many anime series.

What I was trying to get at is that the way features are handled is what marks the difference between people saying "That really looks like Kyouko" and "That looks like Kyouko in a different artist's style". It's also a way you can tell certain animation studios apart as you'll slowly start to notice constants/parallels in things like visual, emotive, and comedic devices. Pic kinda related, the eyes are a dead giveaway.

However in this anon's case >>1438638 he deviated way too far from the general style where the design is no longer distinct through line alone. At this point he'd have to compensate with color if he wanted to make it obvious that we were looking at Kyouko.

[Anonymous No.1439015]

>>1438914
How much do mangoka make? I'm guessing most are shit poor.

If so, I wonder how much that changes if they get an anime adaptation.

[Anonymous No.1439020]

>>1439009
>At this point he'd have to compensate with color if he wanted to make it obvious that we were looking at Kyouko.
But I knew it was her right away. Her main distinguishing features are her hair/outfit, so it's easy to tell.
>>1439015
I'd wager they don't get paid enough.

[Anonymous No.1439022]

>>1439020
I read "Sleeping" and "Meeting with his Editor" as "Sleeping with his Editor".

[Anonymous No.1439024]

>>1439020
That schedule is insane.

[Anonymous No.1439028]

>>1439020
The sad part about this, is that the schedule is not much worse than your average office job in nippon.

[Anonymous No.1439030]

>>1439020
>Three hours a week of free time
These people are robots.

[Anonymous No.1439036]

I have been trying to do more of a background no matter how simple, but I am really awful at putting perspective into practical application...I suppose that's what these sketches are for in the end...

>>1439028
No, at least Japanese salarymen have time to go out and drink to kill their sorrow.

[Anonymous No.1439043]

>>1439020
>weekly

10 internets says monthly mangakas have more wiggle room

[Anonymous No.1439046]

>>1439043
But they probably don't get paid half as much.

[Anonymous No.1439047]

>>1439046
what, do they get paid in sales profits or fixed salary?

[Anonymous No.1439049]

>>1439043
Probably not. PEACH-PIT, for example, was publishing DearS at the same time as Rozen Maiden. And since the monthlies are usually longer(40 pages vs 20 pages), the workload is about the same(80 pages per month).

[Anonymous No.1439053]

>>1439047
IIRC it's a fixed sum, but they have to continuously try do to better or else they won't get picked up for next round of prints. Watch Bakuman, it's like that just less flashy and more suicides. :d

[Anonymous No.1439054]

>>1439049
Weekly:
4 x 20 = 80

Monthly:
40 = 40

They do half as much work, unless I'm missing something.

[Anonymous No.1439055]

>>1439047
I think it's a fixed sum plus ~10% royalties.

[Anonymous No.1439056]

>>1439054
They published two forty page chapters each month, each for a different manga.

[Anonymous No.1439063]

>>1439036
It looks like you drew the character first then slapped in the background afterwards.

Try to make the character a part of the composition, and try to introduce some more depth. Think more about where to lead the eye, right now she's blocking most of the background making our eyes stop at her and then the drawing ends up looking flat. I think.

[Anonymous No.1439065]

>>1438147
Can I critique Teal's critique?

You often seem to change the character's personality and body language so that it becomes a completely different character.

In this particular picture, you changed what looks a bit like Crona into Maka.

Maybe it's just to better illustrate the problems, but I don't know how practical the advice is when your image seems to suggest that the 'body personality' is "wrong".

[Anonymous No.1439066]

>>1439036
That's a very nice mikasa.

[Anonymous No.1439068]

>>1439065
Your stupidity is impressive

[Anonymous No.1439075]

>>1439068
And your white knight is showing

[Anonymous No.1439077]

>>1439068
A truly excellent rebuttal!

[Anonymous No.1439079]

>>1439065
>>1439068
>>1439075
>>1439077

>Be me
>Trying to draw real faces
>See two d/ic/ks going at it at each other

I'll get the popcorn started.

[Anonymous No.1439082]

>>1439079
haha another faggot wanting a fight , if thats how u want it you get it , i wont stop u , but , u better afraid my knowledge of hacking and internet , and friends are mods

its not 2 late 2 back out .. i was dumb like u once .. but experience changed me

i was lucky

are u ?

[Anonymous No.1439088]

>>1439065
>You often seem to change the character's personality and body language so that it becomes a completely different character.

The main purpose of the corrections are to show process, which operate independently of style, proportions, and intent. I have no reason to quarrel with another artist over his/her message, so I rarely deal with it unless there is something critically wrong in the delivery of that message.

In the image you quoted, none of the notes raised a concern over the "body personality," as you call it, so I am not sure why you'd bother to raise that point. The only foci, to the exclusion of every other correction that could have been made to that image, was a change the foreshortening of the torso and raising awareness of correctly drawing body parts that have been obscured through foreshortening. I can't imagine how those would cease to be applicable were the character made happy or sad.

These corrections cannot be all-inclusive, for both my sanity and for the other artists. I could, for instance, have written about 4 more paragraphs about the proper deformation of her weapon based on the location of the pivot/how she is holding it. I'm sure, then, there would be people who complain that such a thing is a minor detail compared to the face construction, or the body, or the physics of the costume, and so on. If that is what you wish, though, we am sure we can reach some financial arrangement to do that.

Those who simply wish to have other artists "fix" their drawings, would be more rewarded by taking their images to requests threads on /a/ or /co/.

[Anonymous No.1439094]

>>1439082

[Anonymous No.1439099]

i'm going to bed, please don't blow this thread apart.

[Anonymous No.1439103]

>>1439088
>>financial arrangement

Damn straight.

Though all this free help is lovely too, thank you. It would make excellent advertising if we just knew who the hell you were.

Then again, that would be a bit like opening Pandora's Box, now wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.1439125]

>>1439088
Yeah I see what you're talking about. I don't have much to add to the discussion actually, I just felt that you change the character's personality quite a bit, and was wondering if the reason is constructive or... to make it more enjoyable for yourself or whatever. I was pretty much only talking about the images that you draw for comparison, since it feels that you're drawing a corrected version of the character. The point was Crona is very loose and "slow" by nature, while Maka is very perky and alert and quick. I don't know the word for that so I used "body personality".

[Anonymous No.1439127]

>>1439125
Hopefully you now understand that you are an idiot.

>hopefully

[Anonymous No.1439130]

>>1439125
I'm banking on personal enjoyment. It seems like the point he was trying to get across in his posts and critiques is that the construction matters, that most of the critiques are addressing construction, and that after a drawing has been properly constructed, then you can take it in any direction you want.

I guessing that the finished character is just the "do whatever" part of it.

[Anonymous No.1439136]

Posted a picture of a cat I was working on yesterday.

Made some changes.

[Anonymous No.1439140]

>>1439136
you didnt even work on it
>captcha: wroking lestart

[Anonymous No.1439147]

>>1439136
>cat tulpa
wat

[Anonymous No.1439149]

>>1439147
ancient chinese secret

[Anonymous No.1439154]

>>1439147
Who wants a cat for a tulpa? Just go buy one. Except if you want a talking one or something.

[Anonymous No.1439160]

>>1439154
even so it's such a waste to make a fucking cat.

[Anonymous No.1439164]

>>1439160
is there a limit to how many imaginary friends you can have?

[Anonymous No.1439165]

>>1439164
Of course there isn't, silly :3

I consider each and every one of you as friends.

[Anonymous No.1439166]

>>1439136
this thing isn't even stylized

[Anonymous No.1439175]

>>1439165
y-you too...

>>1439166
are you saying real cats look like that? are you on lsd?

[Anonymous No.1439178]

>>1439175
lol I think I am going to start saving these.

[Anonymous No.1439179]

>>1439165

I consider each and every one of you my enemies, I purposely give bad advice to make myself more competitive in the field.

[Anonymous No.1439184]

Decided to draw another cat (you can tell it's me because of my flawless consistency :P)

Please give suggestions on how I should improve.

[Anonymous No.1439190]

>>1439184
you're using a bunch of smaller lines to make a big line, this is the definition of chicken scratch and you should stop.

you should read the sticky and pick up a copy of loomis' "fun with a pencil".

[Anonymous No.1439196]

>>1439164
It's still a waste of space in the brain

[Anonymous No.1439198]

Trying to get a hang of this clothing fold thing.

[Anonymous No.1439208]

>>1439198
>>1439184

It's all there in the manual >>1438868

[Anonymous No.1439210]

>>1439208
yes that collection does have a nice little drapery lecture, as well as his animal drawing manual.

[Anonymous No.1439211]

>>1439208
Following anatomy and art books will only get you so far, just go out and draw, you'll figure out most of it by yourself anyways.

[Anonymous No.1439214]

>>1438649
I... wasn't trying for that at all. I just wanted to make it clear that I was only practicing the face :I

[Anonymous No.1439223]

>>1439210
er, what is that device on the back of his head?

[Anonymous No.1439224]

>>1439223
cochlear implants, if I'm not mistaken.

[Anonymous No.1439249]

>>1439223
he's connected to aliens via wifi.
This is an antenna.

[Anonymous No.1439276]

>>1439223

[Anonymous No.1439288]

not even sure if my style really counts as animu, but I definitely draw upon manga more than anything as an influence so I guess?
been in a bit of a rut lately, doing some warmup sketches to get back into the swing of working with lines

>>1439036
Also just wanna say I really like where this is going. i can't for my life of my get my final lineart to look nice or interesting or basically just good at all. I know this is unfinished but what sort of approach to lineart do you take to get something like that?

[Anonymous No.1439296]

>>1439210
Are these videos on youtube? my connection isnt great and the 17+ gb are gonna take like a whole day to download

[Anonymous No.1439297]

>>1439296

yeah like some weird ass Russian site has them streaming somewhere

I forget where it is though.

[Anonymous No.1439302]

>>1439288
haven't you been in here before? it doesn't take too many posts on /ic/ before everyone who frequents recognizes you.

[Anonymous No.1439305]

>>1439302
What do you mean? I haven't been here long, no.

[Anonymous No.1439307]

>>1439302
Oh actually yeah, I posted in a previous anime thread about how I was struggling with my style being identifiable as 'anime', for better or worse. Some good points were raised.

[Anonymous No.1439308]

>>1439296

Please, 17GB in a day is like lightspeed for me. If you have slow internet you definitely want to download them because you will watch them more than once. If you can go to the library to do it.

[Anonymous No.1439310]

>>1439296

>17+ gb are gonna take like a whole day to download

Just let it download overnight

[Anonymous No.1439311]

it has been many many years since I last drew 'anime' do I still have it?

[Anonymous No.1439312]

>>1439305
no i know you haven't been here that long but two or three days in these and the draw threads basically exposes you to the entire /ic/ populace.

isn't this you? >>1434483
i like your stuff btw.

[Anonymous No.1439315]

>>1439312
Yeah that's me. Some asshole got all on my case because apparently I'm being a big pity party or something? idk, I'm usually either being facetious or genuinely desperate for help. Also thanks!

[Anonymous No.1439317]

>>1439308
>>1439310
almost literally 24h
But i think you got a poitn, im gonna watch them a lot
>>1439312
that looks lime omocat

[Anonymous No.1439319]

>>1439312
>ITAOTS
>All About the Pussy

Never change anon, you're hilarious.

[Anonymous No.1439320]

>>1439315
They had a point though. They could've been nicer about it, but there's no reason to put yourself down.

[Anonymous No.1439323]

>>1439315
i may be wrong here but is this not also you >>1438753?

[Anonymous No.1439328]

>>1439320
I wasn't really putting myself down. I think there comes a point in most people's lives where all the nice things their mothers and school buddies said about their art just becomes irrelevant and you sort of see yourself for what you are. I'm super critical of my own work but not because I want pity or anything, but because I work super hard and want to get better. Like I said, the post linked in the progress thread was just me being facetious, that's all.

as for
>>1439323
Yeah, that's me. And I wasn't trying to be negative or anything here either, I AM desperate and struggling to wrap my head around painting. I've spent my whole life working with lines and it makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous No.1439330]

>>1439311
your line quality is pretty nice but your internal sense of proportions is very fucked up. i'd say you should try to draw from reality a bit more, maybe even study the forms of the face and head.

also flip the image occasionally while working.

[Anonymous No.1439332]

>>1439328
shut up and draw faggot

[Anonymous No.1439334]

>>1439332

[Anonymous No.1439335]

>>1439332
get madder faget
I draw all day every day, other than employment and study it's literally all I do. I don't know why you're so offended or fucking butthurt or whatever the fuck is wrong with you that I'm tentative about my progress as an artist. Maybe you're some complacent little baby but I'm actively working towards what I want to be. Get your head checked.

[Anonymous No.1439337]

>>1439335
alright dude you have a really bad attitude.
that anon is retarded and all that but you seriously need to work on that.

[Anonymous No.1439338]

>>1439330
that's all I needed to know, it was a quick few minute doodle before I got ready for bed, I dont draw anime any more as its a path I personally have grown out of, but I thought fuck it cute little end to the drawing day =)

[Anonymous No.1439340]

>>1439328
It sounded like you were, even if you didn't intend for it to be taken seriously. You can be super critical of yourself without calling yourself the most pathetic artist alive. Let other people be the judge of your work/work ethic, that's why you're here.

[Anonymous No.1439341]

>>1439337
Why is everyone on my case about my attitude? What the fuck does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.1439343]

>>1439337
Why is everyone on my case about my attitude? What the fuck does that even mean? Am i the only person here critical of their own work or something? Jesus fuck
>>1439340
I literally labelled the attachment killmyself.jpg. I honestly could not have made it anymore blatantly ironic

[Anonymous No.1439348]

>>1439343
It's not just self-criticism, it's self-pity, and the world can do with a lot less of the former.

[Anonymous No.1439350]

>>1439348
correction: latter.

[Anonymous No.1439352]

>>1439343
it's one thing to be critical of yourself and another to be whiny. to be honest you sound like a spoiled child being denied something that they want, and you clearly hold yourself in very high regard.

if multiple people are telling yourself that your attitude is shit it's a good cue to reevaluate how you deal with others.

[Anonymous No.1439355]

>>1439352
You are delusional. The closest I've been to whiny is genuinely being desperate for help with something that didn't make sense to me. If someone posted here because they just couldn't wrap their head around working with lines I would completely understand and offer them as much advice as possible.
Wait so am i supposed to not be critical of myself at all and just post objectively bad drawings and act like they're good? Grow up. I didn't come here looking for arguments or trying to prove anyone wrong. I came here to get better. If you're so shocked that someone is as invested in their art as much as I am then I don't even know what to say to you.

[Anonymous No.1439356]

>>1439355
you are insufferable. "Waah I'm so shit." is not being critical of your own work.

[Anonymous No.1439359]

>>1439343

Personal, but my sincere and 100% well-meaning, suggestion to you:

If you are a serious artist, do not come to /ic/ for understanding, opinion on non-technical matters, or socialization of any sort. That is almost a guarantee you will end up practicing your rhetorical skills more than art.

Learn to ignore the drama, and don't be the drama.

[Anonymous No.1439362]

>>1439356
I am. I am an objectively bad artist. The sooner you realise you are too the sooner you can start getting better.

>>1439359
I'm used to reading between the lines with anons. I was lucky enough to get fucking manhunted for some bizarre reason this time, though, people pulling up previous posts just to cry about them in unrelated threads? I don't get it yo.

[Anonymous No.1439363]

>>1439355
Well, I know there's at least two people here who find you offensive. It feels like every post of yours is begging for sympathy; express your feelings, but don't dump them all over me.
And if someone says you have a bad attitude, responding with "Why is everyone on my case about my attitude? What the fuck does that even mean? Am i the only person here critical of their own work or something? Jesus fuck!" really doesn't help your case.

[Anonymous No.1439374]

I am the worst artist alive except now I'm completely aware of how I just universally suck, who am I kidding can't draw even though a picture is right in front of me. I don't deserve to be holding a pencil, everything I touch gets butchered.

[Anonymous No.1439379]

>>1439374
try harder

[Anonymous No.1439378]

>>1439374
This ride never ends

[Anonymous No.1439381]

A little doodle I made.

[Anonymous No.1439394]

>>1439374
Never give up miku, you have started from complete shit but now i can see you surpassing at least deviant art anime tier level in a few months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeKwX10Lyi0#t=3m5s

[Anonymous No.1439395]

>>1439394
S-sorry I wasn't being serious I better delete that post, I just had to do that to humor that other Anon I won't do it again!

But thank you for your kindness.

[Anonymous No.1439398]

>>1439362
I guess I'm the one who initiated this. All I was trying to do was to explain to you why that one poster said what they did, and why its best not to put yourself down, even in jest. There's a difference between being critical of your work and saying your work sucks. The latter feels like a defense mechanism and an attempt to garner pity, rather than genuinely helpful posts.
Just post your work, while maybe mention what you're struggling with, and let it go from there.
Also learn to let things go. None of those posts should've upset you to this extent.

[Anonymous No.1439405]

My first try at a faked screenshot. I think I made the arms and hand all weird though.

The only tip I can really offer is don't be afraid of the line tool. It can do wonders once you get used to how temperamental it is at times.

[Anonymous No.1439424]

>>1439127
>Doesn't act and comment like an asshole
>"Must be an idiot"

[Anonymous No.1439440]

>>1439355
you are a fucking idiot
there is a big difference between crying that you are shit "AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO IS HERE TO IMRPOVE BAWW I SUCK SO BAD" and being critical of ones work
also, its possible to like ones work and also be critical. mind blowing isn't it

[Anonymous No.1439443]

>>1439405
Needs bloom and compression artefacts.

[Anonymous No.1439449]

>>1439355
you are being whiny and possibly insulting people trying to learn on /ic/ by presenting your work which is not really not half bad as "shit" (paraphrasing you). If you're shit then what are they? horse shit? And I'm not talking about those babby's first doodles but people who've progressed already.

And you're not criticizing yourself. I'm sorry, "I'm a shitty artist" isn't valid criticism.

And why are you even getting mad? Nothing anyone has said so far is anger inducing.

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