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Talk about traditional art supplies and traditional art supplies accessories.

>> No.7464705
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I'm interested in Golden QoR watercolors, does anyone have any experience with them?
Is the patented Golden QoR™ Aquazol® super science binder a meme? How does it affect the paint and the process of painting? It's supposed to make the paint more lightfast and chromatic according to marketing, as well as more flexible.

>> No.7465055

I have purchased a Platinum Preppy with the fine 02 nib after combing the archive a bit, and writing with it is indeed quite nice. Haven't used it for sketching yet. I also must've slept on it last night, but it survived because it was apparently stuck under my pillow. Luckily so, since the plastic body is the one flaw of this otherwise fantastic 6€ pen. I have a syringe to refill the ink cartridge with.

Thanks, Art Supply Thread.

>> No.7465247
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>>7464705
I have exactly one tube of QoR (actually it's two tubes but of the same pigment). My opinons on it are this:
1.you can really notice the diffeence with aquazol. It's fast moving and super buff, buff enough to push my other colors out the way. Including my dioxazine violet which is an obnoxious bully in it's own right. So A+ on that front. Aquazol ain't no meme but you'll want to plan ahead when painting because it WILL spread to your other colors
2.The tube I have have is diarylide yellow (PY83). I'm not sure if this is true for all of the QoR paints but at least for this one you can actually erase it just after it's dried on the paper, like to where the paper is almost white again. That alone is a unique enough where I could see artists buying it just for that feature but I don't think it's intentional, at least I've never seen anyone mention it before.
3.Saturation is where QoR kinda fails in my eyes. I mean, yeah it's definitely pigmented but I feel like the trade off for this is chalkiness and being unpleasant to mix colors with. Pic related is my personal swatch
with the Official QoR swatch side by side, and as you can see that's like... Not the same color at all. so be wary about any swatches you see from Golden, because they are not 1:1 with real life at all.
4.While we're talking about negatives, the prices for these are
outrageous. I only have the tubes I have because of an insanely good deal I found on amazon when they had tubes for 5$. That same tube right now is $11. for an 11ml tube. I could buy a 37ml tube from Da Vinci
for $12.30 or even a 21ml of Senellier for like $13 to $14. I could not imagine using QoR for as my main brand. I respect my wallet too much for that.
I'll have to get back to you on Light Fastness as I'm currently testing all my paints ATM. I think probably they'd be okay but as far as quality goes
I think you'd be better off with just about any other brand of watercolor and just buying Golden's Ox Gall or watercolor medium.

>> No.7466082

>>7465247
Thanks for the detailed info, I appreciate it. Yeah, they're pretty pricy, but the sets don't seem that bad, around Schmincke prices where I live, and like half of what Daniel Smith goes for.

>> No.7466454

can I use my regular china ink (winsor & newton, I think) for japanese calligraphy? If not, what would be a decent beginner's ink for that? No grindstone please.

>> No.7466479

>>7466454
>Can I use *country* *supply* for *other country* *hobby*
Lmfao

>Guys, can I use my German boxing gloves for American boxing?
>Guys, can I use my Russian raincoat for English rainstorms
>Guys, can I use my French oil paints for Italian sfumato painting technique?
No, it's illegal, and you will die.

>> No.7466495

>>7464693
General art supplies

Faber-castell vs staedtler vs Windsor & newton vs prismacolor vs US art supply vs *insert brand*

Rank, explain why.


>INB4 Ask AI!!!!
Kill yourself

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>>7466479
lol, my bad, "china ink" is the generic name given to it in my language, I guess in english it's called "indian ink"? Anyways, pic related, are these types of ink ok for japanese calligraphy?

>> No.7466500

>>7466479
>Guys, can I use my German boxing gloves for American boxing?
>what are regulations
You unironically can't wear all gloves in all countries.

>>7466495
Ask an actual question and type like a normal person, retard.

>> No.7466502

>>7466500
>Ask an actual question
Autism is my superpower!

Hey, guys! Nice to catch you on this episode of the art supply thread.

I have a question for you brand affectionatos.
In terms of the quality, make, and Mark of all of their general art supplies, do you prefer faber-castell, staedtler, Windsor & newton, US art supply, or another brand? How would you rank each of these brands?

Thanks for the answers, and see you.... iiiiin the next episode! Brofist!

>> No.7466508

>>7466499
>>7466454
Japanese calligraphy isn't an actual thing, it's just Chinese calligraphy with an inferiority complex.

>> No.7466527

>>7466508
I like the japanese squiggles better than the chinese squiggles.

>> No.7466545

What's the closest paper to printer paper feel that holds well to ink and marker?

>> No.7466557

>>7466545
Canon marker paper

>> No.7466560

>>7466557
Thanks

>> No.7466587
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a fucking brush

>> No.7466710

>>7466587
put together a size 10 brush by hand, see how long it takes you

>> No.7466737

>>7466499
I only know that that use Indian ink in manga.

>> No.7466793

>>7466587
At that point just buy from Rosemary & Co, they have real sable brushes for like 95 euros

>> No.7466970

>>7466508
actually the japs were more strict and held the tradition more closely to the original compared to the chinese

>> No.7466972

>>7466793
on the last day of each semester my university allowed us to loot the art building supply lockers for cleaning, i got a set of like 20 r&co brushes and dozens of w&n oils. instantly sold for crack of course

>> No.7467088

>>7466970
>it's just chinese calligraphy
>actually it's more chinese than chinese calligraphy

>> No.7467097

>>7467088
Yeah, they are just that good. Man I wish I was Japanese...

>> No.7467171

>>7465055
I got tetanus from falling asleep while drawing in bed and stabbing myself with my pencil despite the internet saying you can't get tetanus from pencil lead.

Don't draw in bed, you'll die!

>> No.7467365
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I have made a purchase, therefore increasing my skill.

>> No.7467386

>>7465055
>I have purchased a Platinum Preppy with the fine 02 nib
Post art then.

>> No.7467394

>>7467386
art?

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>>7467386
I haven't used it for art yet, anon. Just wanted to say thanks because I'm happy with it even as a writing utensil. I used to hate fountain pens but was willing to give the Platinum Preppy a try at that price point because of how well received it was.

Yes, I'm actually kind of a nodraw because of mental issues; went to the library today, grabbed a random book on local animals and roughly copied some critters with some random infinite pencil thingy just to try and get the ball rolling at all. Tomorrow, I will go again, probably sticking to pencil for now (hopefully remembering to bring a proper one). Pencil because I can't confidently put down ink when I'm painfully aware I don't yet know what goes on underneath that fluff, and have yet to feel any form again. Once I have a more art-related opinion on the Preppy, I can report back.

>> No.7467985

Isn't it funny the thread about shit you use to draw always ends up at the bottom?
Almost like /ic/ doesn't want to draw at all.

>> No.7467990

>>7467985
/ic/ doesnt have a job and therefore no money to buy real art supplies. Niggers here all draw with a tablet they got for christmas.

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>>7464693
Just got some watercolors, r8 my palette

>> No.7468199

>>7468187
looks dumb 2bh
what was the reasoning

>> No.7468278

>>7468187
Missing a warm green

>> No.7468317

>>7468187
They're all nice shades, but why do you have so many multi pigment colors of common single pigment shades? Replace the Vermilion hue with a PO73 or a PR188, get a normal Pthalo blue, and swap the Crimson Lake for literally anything else. Holbein is awful about using dozens of pigments that have no business being there. You don't have any good warms mixing colors either, so I'd look into that. 6/10 for effort.

>> No.7468529

holy shit, I love PY150

>> No.7468618

>>7468187
>r8 my palette
Unironically, very bad. I would even go so far to call it stupid.
ANY limited, single pigment palette would be better.

>> No.7468667

>>7468618
eh, PY35, PB35, PV19, PB29, PBr7, PR108 are solid picks, though I don't know why this particular cad red light has PO20 in it
calling PG7 viridian hue is kinda weird, but it's okay if you want to bother, I'd just take sap and hooker's to not waste my time
vermillion and crimson lake could be mixed readily with the two complements already on the palette, not sure if there's a niche purpose for them being there
the two yellows seem a bit superfluous, though I get wanting a transparent yellow
if you added PV55, you'd have a passable palette with some oddball picks that might make sense for something

>> No.7468683

>>7468667
Its not as bad as i thought it is, i misread, i thought every color is a mix of multiple pigments.
But still stupid.
Too many redundant colors. He could do split primes, cool red, warm red, cool blue, warm blue and so on. And with only 6 colors, he would be able to mix nearly everything.
6 split primes, would produce more tones then his 12.
He does not have anything dark, no burned umber no ivory black.
He could choose:
Lemon Yellow
Yellow Ocher
Quin Red
Cadmium Red
Ultramarin
Ivory Black

As his basic palette.

And additionaly some veruy saturated secundary colors if needed:

Virdian Green
Cad Orange
Burned Umber
Violet Ultramarin
Cobalt Teal

>> No.7469010

Assuming you have a color mixing system of primaries, what outliers colors would you buy for colors you can't get through mixing?
I got titanium white, ivory black, burnt umber, yellow oxide, ultramarine blue, cadmium red and bismuth yellow. I feel like this is enough to mix most colors.
I'm eventually going to order some colors online and I'm want to do it when I can get sale prices and free shipping.
What outliers should I try to pick up?
Oil paint in this case.

>> No.7469011

>>7468683
>>7469010
Lol, maybe I should have read the thread before posting. This is basically what I was asking.

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>>7469010
>only ultramarine blue
Watercolor here, but you’ll want a green-shaded blue. Phthalo blue is lit. A bright teal/turquoise is lit as well. Hard/impossible to get a very bright version mixed, and it makes great greens

>> No.7469021

>>7469019
frfr yeezy of blues on g

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>>7469019
>>7469021
Part of what makes this annoying is the expense. I've got lots of colors in cheaper mediums, so many I've gotten rid of a lot since I can just mix them, but quality oil is so overpriced. I don't really want to go back and buy cobalt, turquoise, cerulean, Prussian, indantherene all over again.
To be fair, some of that shit is hues so they're fake anyway. And now that I look it up, the acrylic is expensive now too, lol.

I'm not doing this right away, I want to get better with oil first, but I want the list ready if there's a sale or something.
I'm trying to walk the line between having options and having bullshit pigment mixes I don't need.
Also, do I really need a magenta? I used to think I did, but looking at my test canvas pad I feel like I can maybe get away without it? Yes I do totally see the difference the pr122 makes, but unless I'm doing abstract or sunsets, I could save $12-20.

>> No.7469084

What do I want to buy for drawing on newsprint? Any reason I can't just use a jumbo graphite pencil? I went to Michael's and picked up a general charcoal pencil but the core kept breaking when I tried to knife sharpen it. I also got a general sanguine chalk pencil but it seemed shitty and the wood kept breaking when I tried to shape it. I don't have this problem with good pencils.
I would've bought the Faber-Castell charcoal, but they only had the set and it was $26 or something.
This is just a practice tool for drawing upright on an easel. IDC about the medium long term and I don't want to buy a bunch more shit if it's not offering anything significant over the pencils I already own.

>> No.7469233

>>7469084
Are you actually going to an atelier or figure drawing lessons?
Otherwise there's really no point to the whole drawing fast with shit materials thing.

>> No.7469312 [DELETED] 

>>7469084
>I went to Michael's and picked up a general charcoal pencil but the core kept breaking when I tried to knife sharpen it.
General's pencils have very thin leads which is why they break so easily. See if you can find woodless charcoal pencils. If you are okay with carbon pencils, then you can use Marie's charcoal pencil which are either completely woodless or just wrapped in paper. Conte a Paris' charcoal and carbon pencils have a thick lead, so they are also harder to break. Also, try going to a different art store.

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>>7469084
>I went to Michael's and picked up a general charcoal pencil but the core kept breaking when I tried to knife sharpen it.
General's pencils have very thin leads which is why they break so easily. See if you can find woodless charcoal pencils. If you are okay with carbon pencils, then you can use Marie's charcoal pencil which are either completely woodless or just wrapped in paper. Conte a Paris' charcoal and carbon pencils have a thick lead, so they are also harder to break. Also, try going to a different art store.

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>>7469084
>I went to Michael's and picked up a general charcoal pencil but the core kept breaking when I tried to knife sharpen it.
General's pencils have very thin leads which is why they break so easily. See if you can find woodless charcoal pencils. If you are okay with carbon pencils, then you can use Marie's charcoal pencil which are either completely woodless or just wrapped in paper. Conte a Paris' charcoal and carbon pencils have a thick lead, so they are also harder to break. Also, try going to a different art store.

>> No.7469455

>>7468317
>Holbein is awful about using dozens of pigments that have no business being there.

ngmi

If you don't know why they're there stick to gouache.

>> No.7469456

>>7469455
be a they can't source adequate pigment? explain why their cadmium red light has cadmium orange in it when everyone else can get the right hue of PR108 and make it single pigment

>> No.7469464

>>7469233
The only point was muscle memory. All of my drawing has been on a table. I want to train my arm to draw "properly" for easel painting. If it's not about speed than I can just use the shit I have. Vilpu uses a colored pencil in one of his videos, and I have the exact one he describes (for example.)
>>7469314
I had a $5 credit at Michael's and was passing one. I'll look for those lose at Blick next time I'm there, but only as a curiosity. I'm just going to use graphite to train my arm for now.
>pic
Do you use sandpaper to get them that smooth curved or is it like that from drawing? The bottom 2 look like rifle bullets.

What I really need is a better easel, but I'm going to wait on that. No point in spending money on a good one when I don't know what I want. I'm using a shitty aluminum portable one that I paid virtually nothing for. It's meant to be free standing but I got the legs collapsed on my work bench.

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>>7469456
>Explain why their cadmium red light has cadmium orange in it when everyone else can get the right hue of PR108 and make it single pigment

Why? I don't care if your question gets answered. But I will give you a hint, the reason that "They can't source an adequate pigment" is the same as the reason which led John Pike
(pic related) to prefer Holbein over the more popular and available Winsor Newton

>> No.7469467

>le hurr durr
lol

>> No.7469468

>>7469466
you know you can just say you don't know, it's not a big deal, you're anonymous

>> No.7469483

>>7469468
One more hint then. I have overlayed the colors (You) recommended in 29% opacity magenta on two seperate color wheels wheel.

I'd answer your faggy ass query more directly, but I can tell (You) aren't white.

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>>7469483
I forgot to attach the picture

>> No.7469490

>>7469483
>colors (You) recommended
take your meds, schizo
I didn't recommend anything, I said other brands cover the same hue with PR108 alone
also, you're the one using a non-white brand lmao

>> No.7469492

>7469490
>other brands cover the same hue with PR108 alone

There is a good reason to not use PR108 alone in this case. Better artists than you understand this.

>> No.7469493

>>7469492
not you apparently, since you need to appeal to some vague nonspecific authority figure as your sole argument lmao
classic thirdie, probably too used to praying 12 times a day towards some random city because someone said so lol

>> No.7469500

>>7469466
>>7469492
>Holbeing is better because ummmmmm... someone prefers it!
>the more popular Winsor Newton
So which one is it?

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Actually, fuck all that. Water pen filled with fountain pen ink works great for this.
It's like leaning to draw with my left hand, but I'm already seeing why you're supposed to do it this way. I've got 48 more sheets to train my arm on.
See you on the other side, lol.

>> No.7469514

>>7469500
>Holbein is better
>Winsor Newton is more popular

There is no contradiction or confusion here

>> No.7469515

>>7469514
There is when your sole argument to the former is someone else's preference. I could just say painters know WN is better and thus prefer it over Holbein.

>> No.7469520 [DELETED] 

>>7469464
>Do you use sandpaper to get them that smooth curved or is it like that from drawing? The bottom 2 look like rifle bullets.
I use sand paper.

>What I really need is a better easel
Alternatively, you can incline a drawing board supported by the edge of the table and your legs. It works better than cheap easel. This is what Proko and Steve Huston does.

>> No.7469525

>>7469464
>Do you use sandpaper to get them that smooth curved or is it like that from drawing? The bottom 2 look like rifle bullets.
I use sand paper.

>What I really need is a better easel
Alternatively, you can incline a drawing board supported by the edge of the table and your legs. It works better than cheap easel. This is what Proko and Steve Huston does.

>I'm just going to use graphite to train my arm for now.
Woodless graphite pencils are pretty common. Much easier to sharpen. I have been satisfied with Cretacolor monolith. General's also sells them, but I haven't tried them. You can follow pretty much the same style as Watts Atelier / Proko with them (sharpening them like bullets and using the side). If you want to be more like classical atelier (sharpening them to a narrow point and using it for very refined shading), then you're better off with thin wooden ones.

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>bought 2 nib holders from Tachikawa
>use it with maru (crow quills) nibs only
>with time both break the middle plastic holder making it useless for round nibs

Is there a better option for using maru nibs?

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Can anyone recommend marker pads? I came away from Jerry's Artarama with Copic greys bundled with their mixed media sketchbooks and unfortunately the Copic bleeds through (top right of the left page shows the bleed). I then bought some Tombow greys in a brick and mortar and they don't bleed through this book, but I figure if I find a sketchbook to handle Copic then it can handle all my markers. Pic for example and while it's unrelated to the topic if anyone would like to criticize my ink smearing technique and advise on resources to learn rendering/blending in marker I'd appreciate that as well, I'm fighting for my life here.

>> No.7469549

>>7469526
I use generic noname chinese holders at a fraction of the price for crowquills, never had a break
for other nibs I use european metal holders
IDK why people insist on japanese junk when it's clearly just shitty plastic with squiggly letters on the packaging

>> No.7469606

>>7469532
Your sketchbook seems unsuitable for blending alcohol markers, use it for pencil sketches instead. Marker paper that allows the ink to blend is much smoother than what you have there.

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>>7469525
This set up is good enough for now. I'm going to be doing oil paint eventually.

The brush pen has a drawback that holding it like a drawing pencil dries the tip out eventually and you have to keep tipping point down. I decided to alter my jumbo pencil and ruin a few square inches of sandpaper. Works okay now.

Interesting fact I just found. The "water based varnish" on Faber-Castell pencils will rub onto paper making them also a shitty green crayon.

>> No.7469692

>>7469635
You should taper the wood to the lead. Not only does it make it more natural to shade with, but having such a steep path from the wood to the lead can cause you to break the pencil when further sharpening it. Even if you try to taper it now, it would require you to apply some pressure that may cause the long lead to break.
Next time, taper it as you are going.

>Interesting fact I just found. The "water based varnish" on Faber-Castell pencils will rub onto paper making them also a shitty green crayon.
That has happened with every pencil I have used since school.

>> No.7469783

>>7469515
It's two separate statements pajeet, again there has been no error

Holbein is better is a fact I am not going to quantify to a lazy foreigner like you when I've already given you a master to study for examples, a visual representation in 2 separate formats for the difference between the chosen colors and the ones recommended in replies, AND you have no justification for contesting the superiority of Holbein watercolors in any use case, let alone the one this palette was assembled for.

>> No.7469787

>>7469606
Tombow is water, that's all just a lack of technique.

>> No.7469790 [DELETED] 

>>7469635
>The brush pen has a drawback that holding it like a drawing pencil dries the tip out eventually and you have to keep tipping point down.
Not sure why you want to hold brush pens like that. I think the nature of inking requires you to work from the. Nonetheless, an easy solution is to use tools that don't require consistent gravity like brushes, dip pens or fountain pens.

>> No.7469792

>>7469635
>The brush pen has a drawback that holding it like a drawing pencil dries the tip out eventually and you have to keep tipping point down.
Not sure why you want to hold brush pens like that. I think the nature of inking requires you to work from the wrist. Nonetheless, an easy solution is to use tools that don't require consistent gravity like brushes, dip pens or fountain pens.

>> No.7469859

>>7469783
>shills for a gook company
>n-no I will not do the quantifying sir
>do not redeem the wind son and new tonne you fucking
lol

>> No.7469897

>>7469484
>WN PR108 - L* 58.77 a* 66.54 b* 55.34 — D50 2°
>Holbein PO20, PR108 - L* 55.58 a* 63.07 b* 48.27 — D50 2°
They added an orange cadmium to get a less chromatic, colder red of same opacity, grain and stain. Literally name one (1) reason to do this besides not being able to procure a warm, bright cadmium red in the first place.

>> No.7469967

>>7469455
Nah man, what is the actual purpose of a YELLOW watercolor needing 3 pigments? You know how many kinds of single pigment options we have? Why have permanent yellow light AND permanent yellow deep when they both use the same two pigments? And what's the point of mixing PB29 and PB15 for a Cobalt hue when you could've just used PB15:6 by itself?
Holbein makes asinine decisions like that all the and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

>> No.7469988

>>7469967
It's probably the dog food solution, pack in as much cheap filler as they can get away with. I don't know the value of the pigments in question, but I'm certain the unnecessary ones are cheaper.
This is what I fucking hate about mini paints. They don't tell you the pigments they're using, and you know they're using the cheapest way to get there. You try blending paints from Vallejo sets and it turns to mud. Reductio ad iron oxide.

>>7469792
Because I was just training my body to draw upright on an easel. I wasn't using it for it's intended purpose. The goal here is to oil paint, but I've never used an easel before last month.
Logically I should just use cheap acrylic paint I don't care about and a brush, but I wanted to try charcoal style drawing, and that's why I'd be holding the pen upright sometimes.
It also occurred to me I could have used a dry erase or chalk board. This newsprint is about 30¢ per sheet. It seems like a lot to scribble on it and throw it away, but it's the same price as one round of 9mm, so in perspective it's a way cheaper hobby.
>>7469692
Now I have to fight the distraction to try every pencil I have.


Anyway I'm migrating to a technical thread since gear is sorted out. The Faber-Castell 9000 jumbo 8b is working just fine and I don't want to drive to Blick to get a proper charcoal. I'll be back to whine about my frustration with galkyd or whatever when I start painting.
Just have to decide if I want to shit up /trad/, /fig/, or deal with the crabs on /beg/.

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>>7469483
>>7469484
I made a quick palette so you can stop accusing other people and just hate on me for things I actually said. This is based off of colors I already own and use, I have a preference for warm colors so this could be pushed to greater extremes. I might get a PY110 to replace the PY65 one day but I think this is mostly solid.

>> No.7470296

>>7469988
>This newsprint is about 30¢ per sheet.
Get cheaper newsprint, not Strathmore or some branded art store stuff.

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7470401

Why don't tradcucks just switch to superior digital art?

>> No.7470499

>>7470401
How much is the market price of your superior digital art in the age of AI?

>> No.7470543

>>7469526
Don't swap nibs until they're busted.

>> No.7470550

>>7469532
Alcohol markers bleed through everything except ultra expensive plastic coated paper that is not worth it unless you're a manga cover artist back in 2002.

And mixed media paper is, ironically, shit at mixed media. Look how granulated your swatches are. "Mixed media" to these people means charcoal sketches with a hint of india ink, not anything useful for finished pieces.

I use bristol or hot pressed watercolor paper for marker+color pencil drawings and slick cardstock for marker+fineliner work but I also do very little blending.

>> No.7470561

>>7470296
From where? Amazon?

>> No.7470568

>>7470561
No, you cannot find it online, at least not where I live, and even if you can, it's probably going to be overpriced. Since you live in USA, I think you can get them in the packing section of any hardware / DIY store. Some art stores also sell it, but they'll usually only have branded stuff. You can ask paper suppliers, but they'll probably sell you only in huge bulk. You can also try asking butchers; they use it to pack meat. Any store which packs things should have an idea. Regardless of where you live, newsprint should be the absolute cheapest paper you can get. It is by far the lowest quality of all papers next to recycled paper.

>> No.7470596

>>7469526
if it's loose just get a roll of masking tape 1cm wide and wrap some tape around the base of the nib a few times, the tape will hold it in place
>t. dumbass who put a hunt 102 in a tachikawa holder to find that nobody fucking bothered standardizing the two despite them being functionally the same thing

>> No.7470775

>>7470568
>Hardware store
Grew up in a family that owned a hardware store, went to hardware shows in the 80's, never saw this. Don't recall seeing it as an option in the dealer catalogs from Cotter/Truserve, Baustwick Braun, Bellknap, or S&T/Moreley bros. but to be fair, I didn't look for this specifically.

I've also delivered raw paper and paper materials to and from the mill and to customers. Commercial rolls are fucking huge.

Would it be sold by the roll? Can you provide a photo of what you're talking about?

>> No.7470776

>>7470775
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CRVXSGX/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0?sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9ocXBfc2hhcmVk&th=1

>> No.7470783

>they can't find rolls of packing paper for cents per square meter with 5 seconds of google
so this is the power of (((advanced economies)))

>> No.7470964

>>7470776
>>7470783
He said not recycled and that you can't get it online so that's not what>>7470568 was talking about.

I did find
https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-13759/Newsprint-Paper/Newsprint-Sheets-24-x-36?pricode=WB0760&gadtype=pla&id=S-13759&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAwaG9BhAREiwAdhv6Y1Y-ZxVjhi7_fZ0OeJQaCvE5nS1AUCmmFY2VyMKBaV6DZjozLuj4yRoCvEIQAvD_BwE

2x3 foot 10¢/sheet,⅓ the art store price, and I think larger than what I'm using. I don't know any shipping. They did have stores around here. If I really gave a shit I'm sure I could find somewhere downtown, but 32¢/sheet is fine. I'm not that broke yet.

>> No.7471161

>>7470964
I said I can't find it where I live, but I guess, in USA, you can get whatever you want online with minimal shipping. And I actually can find it online, it's just way more expensive albeit less than art store ones. The place I get it from sells me for <1 cent a piece about A1 size, cash only for whatever reason. So, that probably plays a factor in price. It doesn't really matter if it's recycled or not as long as it's smooth newsprint. The one linked seems to be fine.

>> No.7471222

>>7470550
Damn, that is rough. I watched a few blending videos and I don't think the people mentioned their paper specifically but I guess if they're able to blend well it must be paper designed for that purpose. Alright, I'll look for some meme paper just so I can get some use out of the markers for fun.

>> No.7471608

>open brick and mortar art supply store
>people aren't buying anything even though we offer try it yourself, better prices than competitors and monthly payments
>at most cheap canvases and fineliners
RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.7471623

>>7471608
What kind of customers do you get? Art students?
Craft moms? Hobbyists? assuming it's not about the prices maybe this would be a good time to conduct a survey. See what kinds of supplies people want in your store. Maybe a suggestion box or maybe you can have a catalog for special orders if they can't find what they're looking for.

>> No.7471630

>>7471623
I'm stationed in a school district, so it's also somewhat of a stationery shop. I've got Campus books and also getting Maruman and washi tapes since I got asked for that
We have those already but it seems like people don't know what they want, we have brands like Faber-Castell, Ohuhu, W&N, Golden Acrylics, even Horadam Aquarell, Old Holland and Rosemary and Co. as well as more weebs like Baohong, Gansai Tambi, Deleter, Tombow Fudenosuke, Uni Pin and yet they still go for the fineliners and cheap canvases.

>> No.7471644

>>7471630
>school district
That's your problem. College students are all retards and waste all their money in trash booze.

>> No.7471650

>>7471630
>We have those already but it seems like people don't know what they want
Ah, okay then. This sounds like choice paralysis then. You seem to have a huge amount of variety in your shop, but if no one knows how to use it or what's best, they're probably afraid of wasting good materials and are sticking to things they know or are easy to understand. it might be a good idea to have live demonstrations/workshops. Pamphlets and curated bundles might also so be something to look into. Something so if you're just starting out that would help you feel confident in trying new things.

>> No.7471655

>>7471644
We are not around colleges but kindergarten, middle school and highschool students
>>7471650
Thanks anon, I probably should also make chep purchasable sets so people can "try out" their preferred medium
I'll add an easel and paint and draw while running the shop so that people can look at the behavior of materials and do workshops too

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>>7471655
we also carry stuff like this already

>> No.7471691

>>7471608
are you the mexican anon? i was thinking about you, how's it going?

>> No.7471719

>>7471691
yeah it's me, it's been great actually! business is promising, cut on many costs and sold hundreds of dollars worth of paper and pens, but you can hear my woes trying to get people to buy Arches and Caran d'Ache

Blackwings are pretty popular at least, I'm thinking of changing the way I price items after a certain price point just to keep inventory rolling

>> No.7471843

So in the last Supply thread anons were talking about Japanese mechanical pencil leads and how it's better than the cheapo amazon stuff so I was interested and wanted to try them myself. I bought the Pilot neox 4B, The Pentel Ain stein 2B and a Graphgear 500 0.5mm since I use 0.7mm and 4B lead is hard to find in that size.

I tried them all out and I have to say... That I don't feel that much of a difference. I mean, yeah, the neox is very dark and it feels smooth, but I don't feel like there's THAT much of a difference between it and my June gold. And as for the Ain Stein, I think the problem is that I just hate Pentel's lead. Hi-polymer is a huge step down from June gold, the erasable red is just awful, and the Ain Stein is just okay. Not great, not good, and not even better than my regular ass Ticonderoga pencils, of which I've gotten darker lines than this mid as hell brand.

Overall my favorite purchase has been the Graph gear, it feels really nice to hold with just the right amount of weigh to it, I'm thinking about getting a 0.7 because I like it so much. But is this just me problem or did I just choose the wrong lead? Does anyone have any recommendations? I was thinking of trying Faber-Castell since I like the 9000 series but I wanted to hear some opinions first before buying anything else.

>> No.7471848

>>7471843
I have heard Chinese mechanical pencils are cheaper, but also of similar quality. I have used Marie's woodless carbon pencils and they behave fairly similar if not better in certain aspects than Pierre Noire, but they are also 1/3rd the price.

>> No.7471958

>>7471843
I found i can't use the neox 4b because it just gets burned up too quick. The HB is plenty dark enough and if I want darker, a wood pencil works better since it doesn't delete the whole stick to shade a small area, but maybe that's just me pressing too hard.

>> No.7472136 [DELETED] 

>>7471719
That's good to hear, the guy at the store I frequent said they're not stocking up until spring because nobody has money and they don't want to trap their cash in stock that won't move.
If you haven't already, I'd suggest setting up a nice website and making sure the SEO is up to snuff, the biggest issue I have with local stores is that they're buried in the google results under shit like makeup and I can't check their inventory online. I think a nice site with minimal navigation and some nice images goes a long way to get people to buy supplies, people are more drawn to the aesthetics of trad media than the media itself. For example, youtube channels about supplies are 90% about having a charming "art area" and well shit and edited sequences showing swatching paint, sharpening pencils and other mundane stuff rather than producing art or providing any useful information.
How much did it end up costing to set up shop, if you don't mind me asking?

>> No.7472138

>>7471719
That's good to hear, the guy at the store I frequent said they're not stocking up until spring because nobody has money and they don't want to trap their cash in stock that won't move.
If you haven't already, I'd suggest setting up a nice website and making sure the SEO is up to snuff, the biggest issue I have with local stores is that they're buried in the google results under shit like makeup and I can't check their inventory online. I think a nice site with minimal navigation and some nice images goes a long way to get people to buy supplies, people are more drawn to the aesthetics of trad media than the media itself. For example, youtube channels about supplies are 90% about having a charming "art area" and well shot and edited sequences showing swatching paint, sharpening pencils and other mundane stuff rather than producing art or providing any useful information.
How much did it end up costing to set up shop, if you don't mind me asking?

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>>7471848
I've thought about buying a set of mivont before were they have 1000 pieces of lead but that's a lotta graphite to be stuck with if it turns out they're bad. I've used woodles colored pencils in the past so woodless pencils sound pretty interesting.
>>7471958
I have a light grip so I'm not too worried about using up lead too fast and I prefer grades B+ and lower. I only have the Ticonderoga's in HB because they can be pretty dark themselves, somewhere around a 2B with enough pressure.

I was thinking about buying pic related next. Anyone tried these before? I really like Uni-Nano Dia colored lead so I figured that was a safe choice at least.

>> No.7472464

>>7472138
we just opened a page the other day and we really need to put in more time to making it look decent, but it's usable as of right now

people have asked about that actually and want workshop and classes, but it seems they like the idea of creating something rather than actually doing it, so we're thinking of adding a station where you make your own paint (getting rublev pigments, mediums and putting it in aluminum tubes)

all in all it was probably around $3000 in inventory and rent is $180 per month, display furnishing being around $400

I've learned a lot and now I would be able to make that go a lot further than early before and translate it into items that sold much more

>> No.7472595

>>7472464
>people have asked about that actually and want workshop and classes, but it seems they like the idea of creating something rather than actually doing it
This paired with the fact that most of your customers seem to be teenagers would make me pivot towards things like Himi gouache, Poscas and Ohuhu markers.
Anything that's popular on tiktok is your best bet. Make an account and provide QR codes around the store to videos of the tools being used. They'll get the idea then.

>> No.7472710

>>7472595
Oh that's a good idea, I'll be doing that

>> No.7473071

>>7472464
If you're in Mexico City you need to go scout your plentiful competition and try offering supplies that nobody else does. i.e. it's retarded you can't get individual Prismacolor pencils in the country that makes the fucking things.
Lumen sells Copic and Rodin distributors sell Shinhan but nobody sells Ohuhu. Then again chinese resellers everywhere sell the Touch clones and they're actually good for the price so alcohol markers might not be a good market to get into.
Nobody sells paper sample packs.
Nobody sells bristol vellum.
Empty watercolor pallets and pans are somewhat hard to find.
So on.

>> No.7473214

>>7472464
>around $3000 in inventory
Holy shit, are wholesale prices that much cheaper? I'd have thought it would take like 10k at least if you're selling WN, Golden, Horadam, Arches, etc.
Like 3k is barely over what I could spend on myself just buying things I actually need.

>> No.7473216

>>7473071
>Empty watercolor pallets and pans are somewhat hard to find.
This is true where I live (Europe). Palettes you can sometimes find, but they're either really shitty plastic ones or stupidly overpriced brand ones, when you can get (arguably better because the brand ones have slanted flaps, while the chinese ones open flat) palettes off of temu for like 1/5 the cost.
Stores here also don't like stocking individual tubes of watercolor because they take up more space than pans, so they usually only sell them in sets since those take up the same space as pan sets.